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My scorpio keeps feeling the need to retaliate. It's subtle, but I can tell and when I ask if it is my suspicions are confirmed. I should speak for myself though as I have a bit of a bite in me as well...ms. moon in scorpio equates to manipulation I suppose...

My question is how do I stop this stinging? Or am I just going to have to get immuned to it? It's rather annoying.
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Posted by THEKingofLibra
They can't help it, they do this shit subconsciously. Get a tougher skin, thats all I can say. Eventually you'll drift apart, then he'll pull you back in again, the pushing-pulling continue and you'll cave in again and eventually either won't be able to walk away thus establishing his dominance in the power struggle, or you'll walk away and never return, thus establishing his dominance in the pushing game.

Either way, you can only lose if you play his game.



I kinda figured I'd get an answer like that. I'm willing to submit to the dominance as long as the stinging will stop.
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They can't help it, they do this shit subconsciously. Get a tougher skin, thats all I can say. Eventually you'll drift apart, then he'll pull you back in again, the pushing-pulling continue and you'll cave in again and eventually either won't be able to walk away thus establishing his dominance in the power struggle, or you'll walk away and never return, thus establishing his dominance in the pushing game.

Either way, you can only lose if you play his game.



exactly.

happykit - it won't stop until he fully trusts you, if even then. it's still early on, right? you have a long way to go.
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Yeah pretty early into it. Oh patience...how I need more...
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It won't sweety.



What are they even trying to accomplish besides dominance? Someone who doesn't have thick skin could serious be hurt by this...is that what they want?



it's not always intentional. it's a combination of pride and fear.
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That makes me wonder if telling him it hurts me or crying would help my case any...
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i think things will work out. try not to focus on the fact that he is a scorpio. that works for me even though i am one, lol. just try to take things as they come with him.



Thanks, I'll try that, though I think the fact that I viewed these traits as scorpionic made it easier to be okay with them instead of realizing they were destructive/childish.
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Well not Nefer, she'd rip your balls off



Nope, I'm a total sweetie pie. *halo*


But to kitsune.. I've only read parts of your story with the Scorp, so I could be waaaaay off.. but the thing that keeps sticking out at me...

Power struggle. You're dating exclusively.. He's sick of it being a secret, wants it out in the open. You don't want it out in the open until it's Official, as well as exclusive. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns and sending him the message that if he doesn't feel you're good enough to be his Girlfriend (no ifs and or buts, no Dating or FWB bs title), then you won't let him parade you around as such and pretend.

The thing is.. he's trying to get his way, to assert his dominance. The power struggle. And his stinging you is to show you his displeasure that you aren't bending to his will/demands/pressure. I imagine the stinging will get worse as you dig your heels in deeper and continue to refuse to give in on this... or anything HE pushes for that YOU are not comfortable with.

So you could look at it another way.. his subtle little stings are to show his sulky displeasure.. testament and compliment to YOUR strength and stubbornness. And the secure woman of strong character (not the pushover he can boss around) will win the Scorp heart.

Once the fucker can finally trust you a little haha
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you know this, but don't use typical scorp behavior to justify the way you're being treated. you shouldn't just accept it. eventually it can make you start doubting yourself.



So don't accept it, but then that would mean I'd have to fight it...so taking this all in I need to talk to him and let him know it's not right, not fight it with more retaliation like I've been doing
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Well not Nefer, she'd rip your balls off



Nope, I'm a total sweetie pie. *halo*


But to kitsune.. I've only read parts of your story with the Scorp, so I could be waaaaay off.. but the thing that keeps sticking out at me...

Power struggle. You're dating exclusively.. He's sick of it being a secret, wants it out in the open. You don't want it out in the open until it's Official, as well as exclusive. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns and sending him the message that if he doesn't feel you're good enough to be his Girlfriend (no ifs and or buts, no Dating or FWB bs title), then you won't let him parade you around as such and pretend.

The thing is.. he's trying to get his way, to assert his dominance. The power struggle. And his stinging you is to show you his displeasure that you aren't bending to his will/demands/pressure. I imagine the stinging will get worse as you dig your heels in deeper and continue to refuse to give in on this... or anything HE pushes for that YOU are not comfortable with.

So you could look at it another way.. his subtle little stings are to show his sulky displeasure.. testament and compliment to YOUR strength and stubbornness. And the secure woman of strong character (not the pushover he can boss around) will win the Scorp heart.

Once the fucker can finally trust you a little haha
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Yeah I suppose. He did say he likes fiesty girls and that that's why he went after me. I've been studying for the past few hours and threw my phn on the couch because people kept texting me. I was going to check it an hr later and when i did I had a missed call from him and 2 texts. I called and texted him. No response for 2 hrs. I really just want to punch him in the face right now
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Why would you feign an emotion. Be mad, go on offensive. You Sags can be sexy as hell when you are mad 😛



Idk...I'm a lil afraid I'll deter him if I get mad. Though he did tell me the other day when I get made he likes to fix what he did wrong so he can make me happy again. Ugh, I just don't know what to do...My head hurts from the studying and the stress is overwhelming.. I do not need this right now
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My scorpio keeps feeling the need to retaliate. It's subtle, but I can tell and when I ask if it is my suspicions are confirmed. I should speak for myself though as I have a bit of a bite in me as well...ms. moon in scorpio equates to manipulation I suppose...

My question is how do I stop this stinging? Or am I just going to have to get immuned to it? It's rather annoying.


Depends on the context.
If you guys are tight, gently show him where to direct his stinger.
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Hmm..direct his stinger...maybe I could tell him to tell me when something is bothering me instead of giving the silent treatment or withholding behavior he would otherwise use.
We talked about this before, him and I. He'd found a video about abusive relationships which gives you a list of things that count as abuse in a relationship. He said he needed to work on a few of them. The silent treatment and withholding behavior were two of them on the list. I'll make sure to bring that up in our next conversation when I rightfully scold him
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Think about what would Cancers do - they would manipulate and change a story behind your back to get sympathy/back up from everyone else, you'd be the last to know.
What would Pisces do - they would tell a million and one versions of the truth and make you feel like everything is and always was your fault, anything but the truth.


I've helped KoL out here, but what he now says hold weight.
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Lol I didn't even notice the changes you made to that quote till just now. Glad I'm not dating a cancer or a pisces
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Think about what would Cancers do - they would manipulate and change a story behind your back to get sympathy/back up from everyone else, you'd be the last to know.
What would Pisces do - they would tell a million and one versions of the truth and make you feel like everything is and always was your fault, anything but the truth.


I've helped KoL out here, but what he now says hold weight.



Lol I didn't even notice the changes you made to that quote till just now. Glad I'm not dating a cancer or a pisces
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have you ever dated a cancer or pisces?
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the stinging will stop when you submit and allow him to possess you. but your sag sun/moon in scorpio does not make you a typical submissive person.


thats how i feel about my combo..i cant do the submissive thing. i thought i could but its not in me. i feel stifled and in a box at the mere thought of consensus. i felt like i was altering who i really am as a person when i was involved with that scorpio. i felt like i couldnt be me.
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the stinging will stop when you submit and allow him to possess you. but your sag sun/moon in scorpio does not make you a typical submissive person.


thats how i feel about my combo..i cant do the submissive thing. i thought i could but its not in me. i feel stifled and in a box at the mere thought of consensus. i felt like i was altering who i really am as a person when i was involved with that scorpio. i felt like i couldnt be me.


I think it works both ways with the possession. 🙂
You were happy to feel those changes 'til you changed your mind about him though, iirc ?
Plus he was married (sorry) so I'd say the situation is somewhat different, leaving astro out of it for a second.
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no there was always a evident power struggle even before the shit hit the fan with the whole marriage thing.
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Without pointing fingers, at least there isn't the air of "I do as I please it's my world, and it's different if you do it" in HK's posts, if Sag stereotypes are to be employed.



what do you mean? like the double standard thing?


Damn ! you're getting quicker at this !🙂
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sorry im a bit slow this morning, i had a few late nights and not enough sleep lol
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the stinging will stop when you submit and allow him to possess you. but your sag sun/moon in scorpio does not make you a typical submissive person.


thats how i feel about my combo..i cant do the submissive thing. i thought i could but its not in me. i feel stifled and in a box at the mere thought of consensus. i felt like i was altering who i really am as a person when i was involved with that scorpio. i felt like i couldnt be me.


I think it works both ways with the possession. 🙂
You were happy to feel those changes 'til you changed your mind about him though, iirc ?
Plus he was married (sorry) so I'd say the situation is somewhat different, leaving astro out of it for a second.



no there was always a evident power struggle even before the shit hit the fan with the whole marriage thing.


Which is why you did it for so long, otherwise you'd just walk over men and ind a reason why they weren't worthy.
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so what do you suggest i should have done to make things easier (leaving the whole marriage thing out). hypothetically.

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What are you doing to cause him to sting you? We don't just do it for the fun of it...............



The things I do are innocent. Like take for instance me telling him about this guy trying to invite me over. I didn't really want to tell him because then he might freak out and not trust me, but I did anyway because I wanted to be honest and let him know I shot the guy down. Then he turns around and shoves a situation with a girl in my face where he still has "tension" with her. I got onto him about that. There were other things, but really they were not missles aimed at him to hurt him in any way. Now maybe he saw it that way and that's why I got the sting...I'd appreciate it if he were as understanding as I was though.

Btw he texted me early this morning and was supposedly sleeping when I called him last night...I'm having a hard time believing he went to bed at 11, but I suppose it's possible with as busy as his schedule is. Still gonna have lunch with him. Now I don't know if there is anything more to talk about since he was sleeping and I shouldn't accuse him if that is indeed the truth. Oh if only I could see when people were lying. So hard to figure out when you've only known the person in question for a few weeks
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What are you doing to cause him to sting you? We don't just do it for the fun of it...............



The things I do are innocent. Like take for instance me telling him about this guy trying to invite me over. I didn't really want to tell him because then he might freak out and not trust me, but I did anyway because I wanted to be honest and let him know I shot the guy down. Then he turns around and shoves a situation with a girl in my face where he still has "tension" with her. I got onto him about that. There were other things, but really they were not missles aimed at him to hurt him in any way. Now maybe he saw it that way and that's why I got the sting...I'd appreciate it if he were as understanding as I was though.

Btw he texted me early this morning and was supposedly sleeping when I called him last night...I'm having a hard time believing he went to bed at 11, but I suppose it's possible with as busy as his schedule is. Still gonna have lunch with him. Now I don't know if there is anything more to talk about since he was sleeping and I shouldn't accuse him if that is indeed the truth. Oh if only I could see when people were lying. So hard to figure out when you've only known the person in question for a few weeks
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so you guys have only been dating for a few weeks. where is the honeymoon type stuff at? i read through a few of your recent posts and it seems like confusion, suggestion, suspicion (sp?),jealousy, possession. any good stuff going on?
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the stinging will stop when you submit and allow him to possess you. but your sag sun/moon in scorpio does not make you a typical submissive person.


thats how i feel about my combo..i cant do the submissive thing. i thought i could but its not in me. i feel stifled and in a box at the mere thought of consensus. i felt like i was altering who i really am as a person when i was involved with that scorpio. i felt like i couldnt be me.


I think it works both ways with the possession. 🙂
You were happy to feel those changes 'til you changed your mind about him though, iirc ?
Plus he was married (sorry) so I'd say the situation is somewhat different, leaving astro out of it for a second.



no there was always a evident power struggle even before the shit hit the fan with the whole marriage thing.


Which is why you did it for so long, otherwise you'd just walk over men and ind a reason why they weren't worthy.



so what do you suggest i should have done to make things easier (leaving the whole marriage thing out). hypothetically.


Hmmm, I dunno. Without trying to be too black and white and shoot myself in the foot at the same time, submit to him 🙂
I'm not saying don't be yourself in public and similar, if anything feisty women are cute when they do that, I'm not bothered by any of that shizz tbh (A true mark of a man, it's always the quiet ones as they say 🙂 ) but push too hard with that angle and the whole deck falls down.
Men wear the trousers, good ones don't mind sharing.
I posted something along these lines (I think) in templeofjaguar's thread.🙂
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submitting is scary to me. questionable. letting someone else take the wheel?
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so you guys have only been dating for a few weeks. where is the honeymoon type stuff at? i read through a few of your recent posts and it seems like confusion, suggestion, suspicion (sp?),jealousy, possession. any good stuff going on?
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Oh yeah the good far outweighs the bad. But no one really ever posts the good stuff about their relationships on here. Mostly my posts are meant to help me with the bad that's going on.
Quite honestly he's doing quite well compared to the other scorpios I've read about. These minor stings are really just an annoyance and I think really the little things can become far more magnified when you're so pampered in a relationship. I was surprised that even after we'd had a night fooling around he still wanted to take me out on a date to get to know me better and he doesn't want us to do the sex until he has fallen in love with me. I know that sounds kinda cheesy and who knows, we may slip and end up doing it sooner, but I admire the thought behind it. He really is a romantic, but an animal at the same time and the conversation is very engaging. He has the same religion as I do and he always makes me laugh. Big pluses there. So yes, it's going well...just bumps that I'd like to smooth out so that this relationship will go well when we finally do make it official
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Heh heh. Just assume that everyone is lying and look for motives. Eventually its gonna be like precognitive shit, before they even open your mouth you know what they want and how they will lie to get it



thats no way to live.



See? I know you lying cause you feel ashamed about being so trusting towards others and being burned time and time again. Also you trying to say there is good in people, to which I'll tell you the good doesn't eclipse the lies and its my prerogative to detect such lies and counter their ways
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i like your rebuttal. but there ARE good people out there. true we get burned, but we have to turn that frown upside down. i trust and pretty much like everyone i come into contact with. i dont think about their motives. i just go with the flow. now, its up to that person to keep that level of trust and like. once they commit a party foul, demotions are inevitable.
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so you guys have only been dating for a few weeks. where is the honeymoon type stuff at? i read through a few of your recent posts and it seems like confusion, suggestion, suspicion (sp?),jealousy, possession. any good stuff going on?



Oh yeah the good far outweighs the bad. But no one really ever posts the good stuff about their relationships on here. Mostly my posts are meant to help me with the bad that's going on.
Quite honestly he's doing quite well compared to the other scorpios I've read about. These minor stings are really just an annoyance and I think really the little things can become far more magnified when you're so pampered in a relationship. I was surprised that even after we'd had a night fooling around he still wanted to take me out on a date to get to know me better and he doesn't want us to do the sex until he has fallen in love with me. I know that sounds kinda cheesy and who knows, we may slip and end up doing it sooner, but I admire the thought behind it. He really is a romantic, but an animal at the same time and the conversation is very engaging. He has the same religion as I do and he always makes me laugh. Big pluses there. So yes, it's going well...just bumps that I'd like to smooth out so that this relationship will go well when we finally do make it official
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than i would concentrate on the good things. sometimes our moon in scorpio has a tendency to get wrapped up in the annoyances and our imgination starts to run wild. we may ever get obsessed with posting the bad things. if he stings you, return it with love. erase the fear of what if.
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Haha.. Aww.. kitsune needs a hug



Yeah or a lil more guidance. We're suppose to have lunch tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if I should act really sad that I wasn't able to see him or play it off like nothing even happened



Dont act...However your feeling when you see him, then thats what you should show him. If your pissed, be pissed. Dont sugarcoat your true feelings.
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no fear, be real.
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Haha.. Aww.. kitsune needs a hug



Yeah or a lil more guidance. We're suppose to have lunch tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if I should act really sad that I wasn't able to see him or play it off like nothing even happened



Dont act...However your feeling when you see him, then thats what you should show him. If your pissed, be pissed. Dont sugarcoat your true feelings.
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Lol, that's a little hard for me. I'm mellowed now tho. I can go into lunch feeling like I can talk to him without taking out his trachea
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Haha.. Aww.. kitsune needs a hug



Yeah or a lil more guidance. We're suppose to have lunch tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if I should act really sad that I wasn't able to see him or play it off like nothing even happened



Dont act...However your feeling when you see him, then thats what you should show him. If your pissed, be pissed. Dont sugarcoat your true feelings.



Lol, that's a little hard for me. I'm mellowed now tho. I can go into lunch feeling like I can talk to him without taking out his trachea
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why would you want to take out his trachea?
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Haha.. Aww.. kitsune needs a hug



Yeah or a lil more guidance. We're suppose to have lunch tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if I should act really sad that I wasn't able to see him or play it off like nothing even happened



Dont act...However your feeling when you see him, then thats what you should show him. If your pissed, be pissed. Dont sugarcoat your true feelings.



Lol, that's a little hard for me. I'm mellowed now tho. I can go into lunch feeling like I can talk to him without taking out his trachea



Won't it be hilarious if he blows you off to hang with his friends 😛
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Ahahaha...yeah he better not. He leaves at 12 and he said he wanted to see me. Unless he was lying I doubt that'll happen
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I was with my scorp for 30 years. The stinging just got worse and worse. Could be very subtle, could be very open. Nothing I did made any difference. She just never seemed to grasp that the things she was doing were indeed hurtful and destructive. I honestly don't know if it was about dominance or not. The idea that seemed to be in my scorp's head was that it was simply a challenge to make me hurt more, and in new creative ways. I was simply a mouse for her cat games. But, what I am sure about is that it never stopped, no matter what happened!!!


I am going to hazard a guess and say that this behavior will just get more and more pronounced with time. To watch you in pain, and then blame you for being sad, angry, negative, whatever is all part of the game.
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Talked with scorpio. So he definitely was sleeping. Him and his friends went out and bought this "special" cake last night with this weird root herb and some melatonin that made him drowsy and he fell asleep around 11. So I'm no longer mad at him. I'm kinda like "wtf" with him getting that cake, but that is kinda funny I'll have to admit.

Well spring break is almost here and I am ready to go out drinking tonight. So glad this thing with my scorpio was resolved...I need to stop getting upset before I realize the truth of what's going on. Thanks to everyone who gave me advice for future reference.
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"astrology aside, it sounds like she had hidden resentments against you that were never resolved."

I definitely agree with this thought. But, that was part of the problem for us, and what I think I am seeing in this thread. Assorted conflicts that aren't examined and talked about. Hidden agendas, game playing, simply not being open and honest. Sting, after sting, after sting, simply to watch someone else squirm. This is not a healthy relationship, young as it is. It won't get better.

He wants to play games, she is willing to play along. It will simply get worse and worse as time goes on.
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"astrology aside, it sounds like she had hidden resentments against you that were never resolved."

I definitely agree with this thought. But, that was part of the problem for us, and what I think I am seeing in this thread. Assorted conflicts that aren't examined and talked about. Hidden agendas, game playing, simply not being open and honest. Sting, after sting, after sting, simply to watch someone else squirm. This is not a healthy relationship, young as it is. It won't get better.

He wants to play games, she is willing to play along. It will simply get worse and worse as time goes on.



Yeah I agree with this, that's why I've decided to keep doing what I've been doing and talk out what I think is going on, get his side, trying to be understanding and work from there. We've both agreed to make this relationship a healthy one and I think the only way this can really be accomplished is through talking it out. Glad I had time to think as I don't function in a nice way when I am so emotional. I either turn to manipulation or pull myself completely away from the problem, leaving my partner confused and probably hurt. I don't want to do that as it's abusive so I'm going to see this as a learning point and move on from it
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Posted by beautifulscorp
What are you doing to cause him to sting you? We don't just do it for the fun of it...............



The things I do are innocent. Like take for instance me telling him about this guy trying to invite me over. I didn't really want to tell him because then he might freak out and not trust me, but I did anyway because I wanted to be honest and let him know I shot the guy down. Then he turns around and shoves a situation with a girl in my face where he still has "tension" with her. I got onto him about that. There were other things, but really they were not missles aimed at him to hurt him in any way. Now maybe he saw it that way and that's why I got the sting...I'd appreciate it if he were as understanding as I was though.




He acts a lot like my Scorp ex did. What I would do when he would do those little retaliation stings would just try to ignore it and act like I didn't even notice. Because of course they're doing it to get a reaction or to make you feel the same way you made them feel (even though what you did was innocent, but unintentionally made him jealous). But when you can't ignore it, just tell him how it's making you feel, and that if he wants things to work with you he can't keep trying to hurt you. Don't let him walk all over you, but also don't be insensitive either. There's always some kind of power struggle with Scorpios (and water signs in general).. they like to feel like they have the power and control in the relationship, but you have to take back your own power (but in a gentle way, being sensitive to his feelings too).

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Yeah, I ignored the first time he retaliated. The second time I had a talk with him about it. And I guess technically this last time was nothing so I guess I'm doing pretty good. I figured he was trying to get a reaction out of me when he retaliated since the last scorpio I was with did the same thing and I just ignored it and he'd leave me alone. Thanks for the advice.
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Yeah, I ignored the first time he retaliated. The second time I had a talk with him about it. And I guess technically this last time was nothing so I guess I'm doing pretty good. I figured he was trying to get a reaction out of me when he retaliated since the last scorpio I was with did the same thing and I just ignored it and he'd leave me alone. Thanks for the advice.



Yeah they can be buttheads lol 🙂 You have a Scorp moon right? I know it can be hard, especially for those of us with water suns or moons, to just keep taking the tests and 'stings' without trying to retaliate back (it's hard for me too I have to admit lol). Our first instinct can be to want to retaliate to 'teach him a lesson' for hurting us, especially if he hurt you on purpose because of something you did unintentionally. But then that just sets a never ending cycle of hurting each other. So it's better to talk things out instead of just reacting out of hurt feelings. But it looks like you got a lot of good advice here, and like you're on the right track 🙂
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Mhm 🙂 It's like they say "do unto others as you would have done unto you" 😛
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