Public Service Announcement for the Scorpio Women

I really don't jnow how this post will be taken, but I'm just going to go out and on a limb and say my piece after observing elle's story(with the virgo) and skylark's story(with the cancer)..

Maybe you guys aren't aware of it, and may you are and you just don't want to see it.

You know that 'self-sabotage' thing that you do? Where you'll be close with a person and then you find yourself screwing it up and you don't understand why?

Have you ever thought that maybe it's some hidden subconscious defense mechanism..that is natural to ya'll but you may not be aware of it.(ya'll ever seen Teeth? Picture you guys as the main character except with a mental 'vagina dentata'

Take Elle's virgo for instance..when she did that whole spiel of icing the dude out saying he was needy for getting upset at not answering a text immediately..I kept on insisting that she did this on purpose...and when she didn't admit that she did, I was sure taht she was trying to sabotage the relationship..come later on with the big reveal, it was sen that she didn't really like the virgo anyway, so this makes me wonder.

Were you actually aware that there was something you didn't like about the person when you try to self-sabotage the relationship?

To Skylark and your cancer guy, when you went into the spiel at how turned off you were by the cancer's sex talk which made you try to 'test him' from your description it already seemed to me that you didn't really care for the guy in the first place, and instead of admitting that 'hey, maybe i don't like him' your subconscious tries to fuck it up.

Does this make sense? What i'm trying to say is that your 'self-sabotage' isn't an attempt of ruining your lives it's a subconscious attempt at self preservation that you may or may not pick up on, soooooo it's probably your intuition doing an knee jerk reaction.

I think you guys would have a lot less inner conflict if you stop beating yourself up and make peace with the fact that the impulsed stemmed from you not liking that person. Now I'm not suggesting that you don't have responsibility for you actions rather, I think that this 'knee-jerk' reaction is interesting and ya'll should embrace it, so that way, if you feel compelled to sting(self sabotage) someone again, you can just realize that hey, you don't like this jerk..or hey, she's being a bitch...and then control it accordingly..or at least you won't feel like you're involuntarily stinging someone 'you don't think deserved it'.

ya dig?

I respect that all Scorpios have that capability to know the party won't last and get the cleanup started ahead of time (with a relationship). Probably a superhuman ability if you consider the intuition needed to know people are flaking out too much and need it curbed.

It definitely hurts to go through any abrupt change in a relationship, but can't knock them for having something like that. Wiser us all that know it is there.

Posted by QuietSt0rm

Posted by TheBeautifulStruggle


You know that 'self-sabotage' thing that you do? Where you'll be close with a person and then you find yourself screwing it up and you don't understand why?

Have you ever thought that maybe it's some hidden subconscious defense mechanism..that is natural to ya'll but you may not be aware of it.(ya'll ever seen Teeth? Picture you guys as the main character except with a mental 'vagina dentata'

I can't speak for L or Skylark, but for me myself, yes I've done that plenty times and for that same reason that you asked. (defense mechanism) I've even addressed it over on another thread, saying that most of my relationships have ended prematurely because of it. But I've done the self-sabotaging act with men that I liked a lot, even loved, as well as those that I didn't.

It hurts us more than it hurts anybody, honestly. So that's not true.. but I can understand why it would seem that way. We're just impulsive, basically is what it boils down to. We snap, then we regret.

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THIS.

Heh. Just kind of realized how often I do this. My relationship with the Lib/sco ended bc of this. *Sting* Over. (not going to get into all the details) but damn with the Taurus, it was painfully obvious. I sting him by saying "Maybe you don't have time for a relationship" And he breaks up with me saying "I don't have time for a relationship". GAH.

Guilty! I think a lot of our sting comes from our deep sensitivity as well. When we are hurt or even anticipate we will get hurt, we sting. Also, we will not only sting the other person we will sting ourselves by acting in ways we know are not productive or conducive to building a healthy relationship. And do not let me get on the topic of nurturing. I have observed past relationships, men, who I think I dated just so I could facilitate as their hero, their mami. Yuck! Which again only leads to pain for not only the person who we are in the relationship with but ourselves as well, bc we come to the rescue of these fallen men and then expect them to reciprocate the same level of passion and dedication that we demonstrated. This in itself is hopeless bc very few other signs can display the same level of passion and deep loyalty that a Scorp can. So, we expect them to reciprocate, knowing subconsciously they can/will not completely and then we are devastated.

SMH.

I think a lot like skylark has explained. The fear, feeling like a good thing could end, and only feeling it with the people that mean the most to you.

I don't know if I self-sabotage, but I do suffer in silence...obviously no one can suffer in silence for long so it comes out as me being clingy or needy and sometimes even mistrustful. SO..maybe I do self-sabotage relationships...I don't know.

But I think everyones opinions in here make a lot of sense.

The Scorpio woman fears putting her devotion ( and missing other opportunities )
toward a man who, after years of devotion to him, will leave her at age 67
for a younger, better-looking woman.

A Scorpio woman has a really difficult time accepting love - or showing it
because she is a very vulnerable, sensitive creature deep-down.

So - she basically wakes up every day on a mission to push a guy away.

That way, she will know he left her "for good reason" and not because she
was unworthy or insufficient in some way ... and also that SHE was in control
of his exodus - it did not take her by surprise - and that it happened while
she still has time to find another guy before she is old...

...uh... with whom she will probably go through the same routine.

You know, after spending all those years with my scorp I came to a different conclusion than the one I am seeing here. The object of a lot of the "self destructive" things she did was to see how far she could push me before I exploded. How much pain can she inflict before she got the expected flash back. Oh yeah, then she could tell her target, me, that I had an anger problem.

I lived through decades of the sort of rationalization I am reading here. To many times it is truly about seeing how far you can push before it all falls apart, then opps, I guess I self destructed. Really, and what did you expect?

Wow...here, I was geared for anger..but I hardly expected "Scorpio women pity party deluxe"..

So let's try this again, I want ya'll to picture this inner conflict that you guys have as an ASSET...think about how this MAIN scorpio 'weakness' could be used as a strength. Elle was on the right track..why we don't we expand on that.

Is everyone realizing that what you guys are projecting NOW on the thread is insecurity? Ya'll do realize that EVERYBODY knows that you guys are insecure? Not any different or more so than others..I firmly believe that.

You guys are water signs, and its strange that out of all the water signs you guys seem to be the least in touch with your emotions. We as women, even though at times it could be crazy, even though we might not understand right away, we could stand to trust our intuition more...because I think you guys are more on-point than you'd care to admit. Which is why when ya'll sting..it hurts..not because ya'll are mean because you guys get to the point...it wouldn't hurt if it didn't have a bit of truth, right?

You guys are water signs, granted but you also are half fire as well right? So you guys have the capacity to not only feel, but be able to act on it better than any other water sign.

Even that whole matryr-syndrome thing..you guys can't brainstorm a way that could be used as a strength?

I guess as a whole the fear stems from not wanting to be isolated(or alone), but hell you have people coming to you anyway right? you still have people willing to open up, etc...and it isn't because they're masochists. It's because they _______ anyone want to fill in the blank?

So, Beautiful, it is my opinion that scorps inflict pain so that they can closely study their prey in pain. If I twist my knife just a little bit more this way, is their pain more or less intense, hmmm....


I will admit that perhaps I am a bit bitter. But really, after a long, long time under the scrutiny of my ex scorp, it seems to me that finding new and exciting ways to inflict pain seemed to be the real purpose of her behavior. I am inclined to think that there is a fair amount of honest to goodness S&M wrapped up in a lot of this scorp stuff. Hurt SO, then torture myself for doing so. Huh——

Posted by QuietSt0rm

Posted by dofacc
So, Beautiful, it is my opinion that scorps inflict pain so that they can closely study their prey in pain. If I twist my knife just a little bit more this way, is their pain more or less intense, hmmm....

What was she like— (your ex)

I think I'm talking about a different form of self destruct than the rest of you are. :/

The ways I've self-destructed was walking away from a relationship prematurely because I felt vulnerable to being hurt. (sabotaging my own happiness) But I've never been verbally abusive or inflict pain just to tear someone down then to build them back up again.. no, not that form of self destruct but rather I would create issues in my mind of what was going wrong in the relationship. It was like finding an easy way out before the going gets rough. Leave before you get left sort of thing.. A bit of a coward I guess I was, but I never inflicted pain purposely. That's kind of a sick, twisted thing for anyone to do.

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I'm like that as well but I thought it was just because my moon is in Cancer.

I've actually never treated a partner the way a lot of people say they do or say they have been treated. I treat MYSELF the way people expect Scorpios to treat THEM...if that makes sense.

Posted by ellessque
I think some of you are missing the point.

This is an asset not something to feel guilty about.

God, thank you...and you can use it in a bad way or you can use it to your benefit, it's used in a bad way most times because you guys don't feel it, you just react...try to feel it, you'll soon be able to control it or at the very least make it 'work' for you...(like with elle and skylark..though the may have not been aware of it)..I wish I had a mental stop-gap to my heart..or that I'd react instinctively to assholes that aren't worth my time...

Posted by YourSunshine
No, I think elle and Struggle are missing something; This isn't about the assets themselves -- this is about how you USE them. Even though your assets may help you, you can use them to harm yourself -- it's analogous to how the stinger can not only be used to harm others, but to also harm yourself.

You have the power to be your own worst enemy.

:-/ I give up.

My attempt at making an introspective positive post, everyone else incessantly keeps hard to try to make it a pity party. Whether the scorpio's themselves and other signs that are bitter for some reason. It's like no one can stand to letting this sign to catch a break, goodness. Can't have one sincere positive scorpio thread that's beyond sex and false bravado/ego?

I think if I continue I'm going to start being flippant and start blazing on people.

So I'm done.

Lmao @ "I give up".

I agree with TBS and Elle. Of course these attributes an be a positive quality if used right. That is the case with most traits....well amost...most. Lol. 🙂

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Posted by everevolvingepithet
No, I think it's more a wanting to hurt someone so they can cuddle/nurture them afterwards.
That way they're serving a function/are needed moreso than another person.
Cause a shit storm/be cruel, save them!!!, feel righteous in the 'good deed' an don't they forget it 🙂

I have been accused of doing this very thing by Mr. Cap.

Beat you down so I can pick you back up and feel like a hero.

I don't think I do that but it may be a subconscious martyr type thing to see how far I can push?

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Wow.

Posted by ellessque
I'm not sure why I do it. I don't do it to be emasculating or intentionally martyr like.

We (scorpios) have the natural ability to reinvent ourselves all the time. A virgo/leo cusper once told me (and has told me several times since) that I can walk thru a pile of shit and STILL smell like roses on the other side. I can pull myself out of the depths of hell in a new york minute.

so, therefore, if i see someone having a hard time I just automatically go into that "mode". i know that if they reach bottom then they can start laying a foundation to pull themselves out. I can't stand to see people in a tailspin of self-destruction, self-loathing or in an out of control spiral.

I've learned that some people actually enjoy that and that is how they "live". They don't know any other way, so I've gotten better selecting unvoluntary volunteers for my martyrdom.

But, if it is someone I truly care about my "rebirth plan" goes in motion for that person and sometimes it is not well perceived. I don't want them to "thank me"...I just want them to see that they CAN come out of whatever situation there are in fairly unscathed and it's not the end of the world.

Unfortunately, I can be pretty brutal in that situation. I hold high expectations for people I care about, almost as high as the ones for myself.

Are these comments speaking to the OP's original scenario? It's not about rebirth through a tough experience, is it? It's about wreaking havoc in a relationship because one doesn't want it anymore, instead of walking away and letting the other person go free.

Posted by heroic_guy
I respect that all Scorpios have that capability to know the party won't last and get the cleanup started ahead of time (with a relationship). Probably a superhuman ability if you consider the intuition needed to know people are flaking out too much and need it curbed.

It definitely hurts to go through any abrupt change in a relationship, but can't knock them for having something like that. Wiser us all that know it is there.

Superhuman?

Posted by QuietSt0rm

Posted by everevolvingepithet
No, I think it's more a wanting to hurt someone so they can cuddle/nurture them afterwards.
That way they're serving a function/are needed moreso than another person.
Cause a shit storm/be cruel, save them!!!, feel righteous in the 'good deed' an don't they forget it 🙂

It hurts us more than it hurts anybody, honestly. So that's not true.. but I can understand why it would seem that way. We're just impulsive, basically is what it boils down to. We snap, then we regret.

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What do you regret?

Posted by TheBeautifulStruggle

Posted by ellessque
I think some of you are missing the point.

This is an asset not something to feel guilty about.

God, thank you...and you can use it in a bad way or you can use it to your benefit, it's used in a bad way most times because you guys don't feel it, you just react...try to feel it, you'll soon be able to control it or at the very least make it 'work' for you...(like with elle and skylark..though the may have not been aware of it)..I wish I had a mental stop-gap to my heart..or that I'd react instinctively to assholes that aren't worth my time...

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A person's sun sign is inconsequential. It's called maturity. The honest-to-goodness, heart-to-heart talk with someone you became "involved" with (for lack of better word). Just because the "lovin' feeling" is not there, doesn't mean the respect (for your self and how you behave) shouldn't be.

Posted by pathfinder

A person's sun sign is inconsequential. It's called maturity. The honest-to-goodness, heart-to-heart talk with someone you became "involved" with (for lack of better word). Just because the "lovin' feeling" is not there, doesn't mean the respect (for your self and how you behave) shouldn't be.

Dear lord, how condescending is this? As if it was easy, oh right! MAturity?! you're correct...let's delete this website and everyone go out and live perfect lives because pathfinder here, found the answer!!! Are you complete devoided of insecurity? Flaws? WHat i'm suggesting or trying to rap with right here, is trying to show how a flaw can be made to work for you, turning into an asset. that statement was to 'bring to light' that there's 'another side to it'. THAT would be maturity.

THe point I was mentioning is where you've read, there's a million of posts of women having a 'lovin feelin' for men that aren't worth shit...if you say that youv'e never experienced it, than congratulations, you have nothing to empathize with in this thread. Scorpio's are the only ones that I have personally seen, that have a mental stop-gap that would unconsciously sabotage a relationship becaue they see something beyond what they can perceive..I think that could be viewed as an asset..and it could more than likely be controlled..if they try to be aware of it.

I'm not going to address little miss sunshine here, because her contribution is bascially reiterating the same thing that everyone has stated on this thread...and the point of the thread isn't to know that there's two sides...WE ALL know there's two sides...I was trying to focus on the positive way this 'power' could be channeled..not harp on the negative side. Everyone is in consensus that scorpio's can be their own worst enemy, everyone knows that they aren't aware of why they do things that they do they care about...why mention that again? I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about something else.


But seriously, I'm done, and good look on the other thread sunshine, I'll check it out.

Posted by Skylark
I just hope that one day I will be able to stop behaving this way. I hate that I do this, but can't seem to stop. This is one of the main traits I hate about being a Scorpio....but then again, not all Scorpio women are like this.

Or you can embrace it and learn to feel it coming so you can control it and make it work for you.

Like the cancer...I hate to break it to you, but he was an ASSHOLE..it doesn't matter if he was cute, it doesn't matter if you desperately wanted it to work...he was an ASSHOLE..No man should try to make another female get uncomfortable like that..that's bullshit. And in turn try to switch it on you when you BASICALLy did the same thing to him? ( made him uncomfortable) If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it.

We're not perfect...I don't think one can 'get over one's flaws' it's a part of what makes us who we are....we all have them..

Libra's are people pleasers..Aries are selfish, Leo's are attention-whores, Pisces are loners, Aquarians are vapid, capricorns have a hard time looking past their work....etc. etc.

But every sign makes their flaws work for them...Libra's are able to empathize with other people and always try to be a bridge or be the negotiater in any conflict. Aries can take that selfishness and use it to become altruistic because it makes them 'feel better about themselves'. Leo's take pride in their appearance and make an impression better than anyone else. Pisces are emotionally self-sufficient better than any other sign....Aquarians since they're detached enables them to always have an interesting insight in everything because they are always on the outside looking in. Capricorns have an almost impenetrable determination...etc.etc.

Yes we could ALL stand to be more altruistic, to have more self-esteem, to be able to 'think outside of the box', to be able to empathize with everyone, and to be able to work really hard and never give up.

But we aren't ALL like that. So we do the best that we can...in whatever messed up way we can...and we make it work.

scorpios are stressed out versions of aries on speed, they can be crazy as fucc especially scorpio moons cuz they dont know how to express emotions and they hold it in and get crazir, i never hung out with a scorpio while i was sober, nly while im fucced up, its the only way to deal wit em

Posted by ellessque
I think some of you are missing the point.

This is an asset not something to feel guilty about.

Money is considered by most people to be an asset, too...

... but it loses all it's value on a long enough time-line
(the True Riche view money as a liability and convert it to real-estate
or some appreciating stock as soon as they have a chance )
and for sure money causes a lot of big problems.

The instinctive behavior of a Scorpio female often causes her to
sting herself. Is it really an asset?

OK, I can actually see the argument that says my ex scorp knew at some unexpressed/unexpressible level that it was time for us to part. Indeed, we are both far happier having some distance between us than when we were actually living together. I expect it is the unexpressed/unexpressible part that left me so confused, and in pain.

An interesting concept here that I hadn't thought of. I will give it some thought, now, though.


In that context, Pathfinder's comment (below) makes some sense. Because so much was not expressed or talked about, it was the only way the reality of the situation could present itself. That is, through a strong undercurrent of negativity.

"Are these comments speaking to the OP's original scenario? It's not about rebirth through a tough experience, is it? It's about wreaking havoc in a relationship because one doesn't want it anymore, instead of walking away and letting the other person go free."

This is actually something I wrote a while ago, and posted in the "Writings" section here on dxp. It is something I thought about for a long time before I wrote it.


"I once had a home, a family, a spouse, a connection. My spouse grew sick of me and drove me off. She did so by a steady stream of criticisms, small digs, and general spitefulness. I watched our marriage die the Death of a Thousand Cuts. Each jab, each nick, each slice expertly applied. Each applied with the expertise that can only be learned from intimate contact with another person over decades of time. The expertise of knowing another persons deepest pain, their saddest moments, and their most guarded fears. Each of these painful points exploited to their fullest possibility. Go away, we don't need you any more, we don't want you any more. Just blow away in the wind, and be gone."

And to my eye there it is, she and I needed to part, she made it happen. Was this the best way she could make it happen? Maybe so....

dofacc..that made me sad to read what you just wrote, and my answer to that is no, no, no, no.

don't ever think that is the way to make something that was once beautiful and wonderful to end, to me that is a coward's way....there is never an excuse for treating anyone like that, even more so, a person that you lived with and loved....

I have been one to make excuses for bad behavior, especially with people that I have(had) held dear to my heart

the treatment that you described that you received is nothing less than a coward, with no regard for anyones feelings but her own....nothing to be proud of and certainly no way to live ones life

i am becoming more and more disappointed in people and their treatment of others, none of her treatment towards you sounds loving and no matter if she wanted to move on, that was a tyrannical, cruel way to do so...


life is a series of changes and the way that we handle them and how we treat others along the way on our path of life...is ultimatly what we will receive from life in return....

try to move on as gracefully as possibly, as sad that it is, some people that are toxic need to be eliminated from our lives so that we can continue to lead a loving life ourselves...

I do think that we have essentially made it back to the original idea of this thread. I think that at least this one scorp was unable to say what she had to say. The only way she could express herself was through this "self-destructive" behavior. Perhaps lots of scorps deal with their most intense, closely held feelings this way, and therefore have earned a reputation for being self-destructive. It is the only way they have to get their feelings out there for others to see.

Posted by dofacc
This is actually something I wrote a while ago, and posted in the "Writings" section here on dxp. It is something I thought about for a long time before I wrote it.


"I once had a home, a family, a spouse, a connection. My spouse grew sick of me and drove me off. She did so by a steady stream of criticisms, small digs, and general spitefulness. I watched our marriage die the Death of a Thousand Cuts. Each jab, each nick, each slice expertly applied. Each applied with the expertise that can only be learned from intimate contact with another person over decades of time. The expertise of knowing another persons deepest pain, their saddest moments, and their most guarded fears. Each of these painful points exploited to their fullest possibility. Go away, we don't need you any more, we don't want you any more. Just blow away in the wind, and be gone."

And to my eye there it is, she and I needed to part, she made it happen. Was this the best way she could make it happen? Maybe so....

she drove you off by a criticizing you? There's no personal responsibility with that? It was all her fault? Seriously? You had nothing to do with that?

Is everyone forgetting WHY a scorpio sting hurts so much? Is everyone thinking that her self-destructive behavior is only because she hates herself so much..and that she's for all purposes a monster that doesn't deserve to be loved because she's basically unlovable and only good for a fuck?

Is that the conclusion everyone is drawing to? well fuckin wow! shit. And you guys are the most confident self-assured sign?

Never denied I played a part in the demise of our marriage. But, she was not open and honest with me. I endured much, to much, without explanation or understanding. If she was that unhappy she needed to tell me this.

Her "self destructive" behavior was a way to avoid being open and honest. And yes, she drove me off with emotional abuse.

I also find it curious that you think that I felt/feel that she was only good for a "treetrunk." Lots of assumptions on your part.

She was the initiator in all of this. I am still confused as to what happened, when it happened, and why.

This is simply a view of someone who endured the "sting" of a scorp. If you don't like the way it looks, there is nothing I can offer you. You were not there, you do not know that entire story, you do not know either me or my ex. If it hits a nerve, if this makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you need to do some self evaluation to see if I haven't come to close to a place that you want to remain hidden. I pulled back the curtain on at least one scorp, and you seem to find that very, very disconcerting.

Posted by dofacc
Never denied I played a part in the demise of our marriage. But, she was not open and honest with me. I endured much, to much, without explanation or understanding. If she was that unhappy she needed to tell me this.

Her "self destructive" behavior was a way to avoid being open and honest. And yes, she drove me off with emotional abuse.

I also find it curious that you think that I felt/feel that she was only good for a "treetrunk." Lots of assumptions on your part.

She was the initiator in all of this. I am still confused as to what happened, when it happened, and why.

This is simply a view of someone who endured the "sting" of a scorp. If you don't like the way it looks, there is nothing I can offer you. You were not there, you do not know that entire story, you do not know either me or my ex. If it hits a nerve, if this makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you need to do some self evaluation to see if I haven't come to close to a place that you want to remain hidden. I pulled back the curtain on at least one scorp, and you seem to find that very, very disconcerting.

I made a grandiose claim to make a point, NOT that I believed it to be true....I don't care to know you or your ex...or your story, but that's nice that you shared. Bravo.

But no matter....I'm already going to check on the other threads since the point of this one miserably failed.

Posted by QuietSt0rm
LOL I don't think anyone was implying what's in bold. Just because I'm not fond of a character trait of my own does not mean I lack self assuredness or confidence. How and why would I take pride in something that hurts the people that I love? Of course no one is flawless and of course we all have issues, but that doesn't mean that we need to embrace those issues. Different strokes for different scorps... I personally don't like to hurt people, whether it's an "asset" or not. *shrug* What I do consider to be an asset is our ability to go from hot to cold when crossed. I kinda dig that about myself. 😉 But hurting people in the process? No.

I'm not saying one way or another how other scorps should feel. I really couldn't care less. But for me personally, there are PLENTY of things that I love about myself. But that's not one of them..and I'd like to think I have the personal right to feel that way without someone telling me I'm wrong. LOL Just sayin'..

Point taken.

"I made a grandiose claim to make a point, NOT that I believed it to be true....I don't care to know you or your ex...or your story, but that's nice that you shared. Bravo.

But no matter....I'm already going to check on the other threads since the point of this one miserably failed."


I am perfectly confused. I will be on my way also, as it is obvious I am not grasping what it is you are trying to say.

Posted by starlover

Posted by Pride of 0ctober
scorpios are stressed out versions of aries on speed, they can be crazy as fucc especially scorpio moons cuz they dont know how to express emotions and they hold it in and get crazir, i never hung out with a scorpio while i was sober, nly while im fucced up, its the only way to deal wit em

Awwww sweeeet!

Did you ever try a "grown up" one, we are somewhat
more sorted

🙂
x

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those were the grown up ones

but hey im a libra, so what do i know about emotions and water signs

Posted by dofacc
This is actually something I wrote a while ago, and posted in the "Writings" section here on dxp. It is something I thought about for a long time before I wrote it.


"I once had a home, a family, a spouse, a connection. My spouse grew sick of me and drove me off. She did so by a steady stream of criticisms, small digs, and general spitefulness. I watched our marriage die the Death of a Thousand Cuts. Each jab, each nick, each slice expertly applied. Each applied with the expertise that can only be learned from intimate contact with another person over decades of time. The expertise of knowing another persons deepest pain, their saddest moments, and their most guarded fears. Each of these painful points exploited to their fullest possibility. Go away, we don't need you any more, we don't want you any more. Just blow away in the wind, and be gone."

And to my eye there it is, she and I needed to part, she made it happen. Was this the best way she could make it happen? Maybe so....

ouch...........