Scorpio woman -does she or doesn't she?

Hi all. Newcomer and first post. I'm a Taurus Sun/Ascendant Scorpio moon guy. The girl is a Scorpio Sun/Ascendant Cap moon. We had some mutual friends and about 3 months ago out of nowhere started this crazy whirlwind romance. All the good Taurus/Scorpio stuff. She mentioned several times how she felt strongly we were destined for each other. We also talked for hours every day. I can't believe how strong our connection was. Long story short-her mother died recently and she said she wanted to back off for awhile. She also told me that she had inklings of feelings for another male friend. I said ok, thinking whatever she needs. A female Camcer friend of mine who lost both parents admonished me to not let her go-she said her mind wasn't right. So I told her don't think I'm abandoning you or anything in your time of need. I care a freat deal about you. She said one reason she backed off is because she didn't know I cared-which I find hard to believe from a Scorp but neither of us had ever said we love each other. Well she is now in a relationship with this other guy ( a virgo no other info ) my normal inclination would be to just cut her off and walk away, but I always try and read between the lines with her. She still msgs me almost as much as before ( she says don't thinknim stalking you ) and likes various posts on FB still, especially anyone I post that is remotely romantic. She has said to me several times she might be making a mistake but she also likes this virgo-theyre still together. I know her head may not be in the right ace but no one is forcing her to be with this guy. It tears me up but I try and blow it off when we talk and just act like nothing. I Have told her several times how much I loved/love her, so I know she knows, but don't want to beat a dead horse. She's caled me a few times when she's been sad about her mom and I try and be sympathetic but don't want to end up looking pathetic lol. She told me that if she knew how much I cared, she wouldn't have done what she did but what's done is done. Again, she tells me she might be making a mistake but seems willing to risk it. She said she wouldn't be too proud to tell me but she doesn't think is take her back. I'm not sure how Id react of she did even if I think she will. I won't ask you if she'll come back, but any insight would be appreciated. I can't tell if she's testing me to see if I fight for her or trying to punish me for not saying I love you earlier or truly only wants to be friends.

Thanks for your time and comments. She has been friends with virgo a long time and I think she's mistaking friendship for love because maybe she doesn't want to be vulnerable ? God you Scorps are so difficult! Hahahaha. But seriously, I have told her several times the depth fort feelings for her. I think she's surprised a little, but I tend to take my time before diving in, as I've been hurt before too. I absolutely want her back, but then Im not the one who left. Me begging isn't the right thing since I didn't leave her and will only make me look bad. It has to be her decision obviously. But it's difficult for me to chat with her and not get all mushy. We were SO connected it was like electricity whenever we even touched. Crazy. I've told her how I felt we belonged together too. But she is still with this guy and says she wants to be. So it's sort of mixed signals. I don't see how she thinks it might've been a mistake if she's happy now. I guess I don't know whether to keep showing her how much I care or give her the cold shoulder and see if that makes her miss me more, though Id rather not play games.

And I'm not overly concerned with lookong bad it's just that no matter what I say-she is still with the other guy, and says that's what she wants. I can't beat her over the head. tonight we were talking about her birthday which is coming up and somehow it ended up being what we're we're going to do-which was roses, dinner, poetry, torrid sex and completely dissolving I to each other. I told her I'd still do that with her in another universe. i mean I know she knows how much I care -good god she does-ive made that abundantly clear now. It's just that talking to her tears me up inside because we still have this natural easy connection and it's easy for me to think things are the same, when they're not. I dunno, this is like nothing ever before for me, especially since the way we split up. It just seems so unnecessary. Again though, regardless of where her head is, I'm still there if she's feeling down about her mother with a kind word about grieving with her. But. She's.still. With. The virgo guy.

Thanks again and yes other scorpio womens perspectives are welcome! I mean it just seems like no matter what I say she says she wants to be with this guy. But she still msgs me like nothing changed. She knows how much I loved/love her-absolutely. But she has to realize she made a
Mistake, and she hasn't -yet.

We had tons of polarity going on. I mean out synastry has a few stinkers to be sure, but plenty of planets in each other's seventh house and plenty of taurus scorpio polarity too. She said once that she thought I was mad about our synastry because it didn't work out and I told her that we could have the best synastry in the world but we choose what to do with it. But man, talk about heavy and karmic....! At any rate, thanks Impulsv

No we haven't had sex since we split. She's made a few off color sexual remarks in a joking way, but I haven't sensed any sexual coming on or anything like that. I wouldn't either and I think she knows that because I love her and wouldn't settle for just sex, regardless of how out of this world our sex was. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgggghhhhh! I usually date fire sign women ( I have a Mars in aries ) but see had such a deep deep connection. You nailed it-it was unsettling for sure, and a little scary. Sigh. I hope she realizes she made a mistake sooner rather than later......

Well don't be her doormat.

She is confused love her from a distance and date other girls. I kind of feel bad of what she is doing behind her virgo boyfriend back. She is running to you after making the decision to be with him.

Stop being so available for her since her boyfriend is already consoling her.

Whatu-Hahahaha indeed!

Oh I can do stubborn ! Here's another question -should I date other women? I mean I want to show her Im not sitting round all Eeyore like wishing she'll come back ( I kinda am lol ). Would that help or hurt things? I know some Scorpios like the challenge and don't want it too easy. Sometimes I feel as if me telling her all the time how much I care helps other times it makese think she thinks Im weak-and I know you Scorps can't stand weak.

Well I don't think she's actually DONE anything behind his back, other than talk to me, which Im pretty sure he knows about. He's actually an ok guy, just nothing special...lol. And they have been friends for a long time. She always said passion was our biggest connection, not just physical either, definitely mental. When we started seeing each other she told me I had to get inside her head before we had sex. And then she said I was inside her head big time. This really kinda floored me. But yea, I def don't wanna be a doormat and will probably date other women soon. I mean she hasn't iced me out or anything-we rarely argued even. There was no betrayal. She does act all concerned about where I am and who Im with though. It just seems so mucked up now. I believe in fate and destination, but so much of that lies in our own hands.....again, I appreciate all your perspectives

Thank you once again. I do want her-desperately. But I won't be a doormat either. I'll tread lightly, for sure. I mean my first reaction when she'shavee about having a bad mom day is to say why don't you go to virgo boy? But you see, my moon/neptune conjunction won't let me. Empathic bull? Yep. I try and keep it causal. I do think at some deep level she is testing me, though she claims she isn't. I gave her a pass too, for the loss of her mother. I just don't know if me always being there for her is counter productive or not. I can't be a bastard to her though. Not for that. Now about this virgo guy-yeah I could be I suppose. What's weird for me is that had her mother's death not been a factor, I would've probably just erased her out of my life-regardless of all the heavy karmic stuff, she chose someone else. But this situation is definitely complicated.

But I have some insight thanks. I'll update this of and when something changes. My god dos we have a connection-she felt it steony too and told me. It blows my mind that she is willing to risk losing that specialness.....ah well. She has a slight pass. But I will tread ligjtly as I said. No doormat. I just feel like she hasnt reconciled what she's done yet and wanted other Scorps to let me know of she was just toying here.

Sorry about all the typos Im on my phone and it's late

Ahh you all have many admirable qualities as well.....lol. As a last FYI -she did tell me that she couldn't believe how well I knew her. Which of course, makes me even more frustrated now as I feel I know she's doing this for all the wrong reasons......ah well. Perhaps ther is yet hope.

Glad to help lol. I kinda agree with you, but as I said, this is her choice, good or bad. And it seems like we re friends for now anyway. I think?

Thanks will do.....

Thanks Jeannegrey. I'm inclined to agree with you. It's basically what Linda Goodman said with Taurus and Scorpio-either frigid disinterest and total disaster, or a lifetime and beyond, past forever. We certainly had no frigidity lol. I know she feels this too but I think (moT likely due to her mother's death among other things ) that she has compartmentalized her feelings to where she doesn't have to really deal with them. She did tell me recently that she is seeing a therapist because she is in such a dark place, I suppose that's good, but when she told me she might be making a mistake, she said making a mistake is ok as part of her "process" now, which sounded like something a therapist might encourage her to say....lol. I just am so torn though. I can't hit her on the head or force her to do what's right-she has to do it herself. And honestly the longer this goes on the more it bothers me. Part of the time I feel that me telling her the depth of my feelings will eventually melt her heart. But other times it seems that the more I back off the more she msgs me. I don't wanna be a doormat, for sure. But I want her to know that other than that, I'd crawl through mud and broken glass for her. I think coupled with the fact of her mother's death, for her to tell me she didn't think I cared that much about her is really hard for me to take. I figured crikey-her Sun, Merc, Venus, Pluto, Asc Im Scorpio and she can't tell what I'm feeling? Sheesh! I mean, no, we hadn't said we loved each other yet, but it was only been three months, and we were certainly on the way there. I dunno. she has said she might be making a mistake but also that she really likes Virgo guy. I don't think both can be true-can they? And if this is some test on her part to see if I really care, good god I've passed it with flying colors! Why is she being so so STUBBORN? Lol

Your insight is spot on, of course. I have the patience of Job maybe, but it isn't INFINITE lol. I'd rather not play cat and mouse-it's so obvious of this powerful connection we share. Honestly, JG, I'm a little scared that she is just going to get closer and closer to Virgo guy and maybe completely move on. If that happens, I won't have much choice really. I mean I feel in my heart of hearts she will realize what we had was unique and worth saving, but the thought of her with someone else is tough. But not as tough as her telling me she didn't think I cared and of she knew, things might be different. I hope me not losing my mind will pay off here....lol. By the Gods! I thought our connection was unbreakable. It may be, but I mean in the sense that something like this couldn't happen. It's just with her mother's death, everything went into a tailspin. And I know she's friends with this guy for awhile, but really? We had the kind of intimacy to make Romeo and Juliet green with envy. How can she settle for less than that now? Sigh. Again, my thanks for your perspective. It helps. A little lol.....

Now I'm getting g teary eyed! Wow! Tha is for sharing so much JG. I have told her I love her multiple times. Many times she seems to draw it out of me like she wants to hear it but-she's still with the other guy. I can see her thinking it's too far gone perhaps, but I really hope she knows the depth of my feelings. She asked me Saturday night when we were talking if I was surprised at how strong my feelings were and I said yes and quoted Gibran to her-"love knows not its depth until the hour of separation " . at one point she was like what-did you want to marry me? And I said while I'm not ready financially ( yet) feelings wise yes. she KNOWS! If she didn't before, this woman KNOWS now! Ha! I may take your last bit of advice to heart. I also feel like good god if we could only hug once all this would go away! If only we could just touch! The urge to complety lose myself in her is still overwhelming. It's so strong that I have to frequent excuse myself when talking to her for fear I'll lose composure and break down sobbing. I'm a tough bull, sometimes. But every experience or emotion Ive ever felt hadn't prepared me for this......
My world is so upside down.
I know it's not too late JG, for you either. But I'm dangerously close to begging her, and she was the one who left, after all. Sigh. I have a day or two to digest all of this. I May do what you suggested. I'll keep you posted! And don't you lose hope either!

And happy birthday! Hers is Thursday. And I'm not sure what to do about THAT either Hahahaha. Though as I said earlier, I told her what I would have done. Roses, poems, dinner, hours and hours of real intimacy. Etc. Ibgiess my concern too is if l lay this all out as you suggest, her response
Will be -well are we still going to be friends? Hahahahaha her Mars is in Aquarius so she has some of that aloofness and detached Aquarian be friends with exes thing going on too...... But I gotta do something here Hahahahaha. And I'm TRYING to be patient, honest! It's just hard !

But thanks so much for sharing your story!

Her venus is in Scorp mine is in taurus. Her Mars in aquarius is almost exactly square my venus in taurus

Sorry I keep seeing posts after I post mine ^_^

Ahh that's a spicy contact Hahahaha. Hardly a deal breaker.

But anyway JG, I am humbled by your sharing your story. I'm going to seriously THINK about all this and try to remove emotion from the equation. At least temporarily. I will figure this out, one way or the other. But I won't leave feelings unsaid, I promise. ^_^

Posted by jeannegrey

Posted by EmpathicBull
Her venus is in Scorp mine is in taurus. Her Mars in aquarius is almost exactly square my venus in taurus

Ohhhhhhh man........ 😱

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^This.

? I was always under the impression it wasn't a bad thing. Sure, some tension but due to the planets natures, nothing really bad. So you guys ( gals ) feel differently ? Thoughts ?

In Aries ( I can be a bit impatient lol )

Hahaha glad to help make you smile. I think the Mars in Aries makes me a little more headstrong than a typical bull ( is that possible? Lol) impulsive? Perhaps a little bit. But I have a strong Taurean influence, along with my Scorp Moon, so I'm not TOO impulsive lol. Linda Goodman also warns that sometimes Taureans with a strong Aries influence can be cruel. Fortunately, my moon neptune conjunction greatly mitigates whatever tendency there might be ( I was something of a bully in my younger days ) as Ive gotten more mature. I can be moved to tears during movies or reading stories or even listening to music. Mars in Aries makes me a tad bolder too, Id say-maybe adds an alpha male thing to me, but it's hardly out of control. I'm actually a very talkative bull as well-but I also have Mercury literally on top of my ascendant. I think it's called casimi.

And if he feels ANYTHING at all like me, is both, I assure you! And I'm sure he does, because all other aspects can certainly modify the basic Taurus Scorpio thing, they can't make it go away. Just a sun taurus and a Sun Scorpio seems to be enough!

In her sun signs book

Ahh the $ 64,000 question!

She will be 28 Friday.
I am 52. Surprised ?

We had been seeing each other for a few weeks when she asked me how old I was. I told her and she was like you seem ageless to me Hahahaha. She has dated at least one other guy my age, and k have dated younger women though not because I have a thing for them necessarily. When we met, it was like a thunderbolt .....

Opposites aren't as problematic as squares in my experience. And they just add to all that yin yang polarity

And I look 35 ! Ha! I think Liz Greene said Mars in Aries gives a youthful springy appearance that lasts a lifetime....lucky me....

Most people do hahahah. It's probably good genes too. And your stour is so interesting because it just confirms what o already know about this. She and I also have

Sun conj Moon
Venus conj neptune
Moon conj pluto
Pluto sextile moon
Venus sextile moon

Plus our mutual sun ascendants opposing each other as well as conjuncting our mutual descendants in the Seventh house. We have a Node/sun conjunction also.

Story*

You should write a script of it and sell it to Hollywood. "Based on a true story Hahahahahaha. What a fantastic tale! I hope it ends well for you JG.....

And it's pluto trine moon not sextile

I have to go now-Im in ohio and I've been up all night . But it's been very much worth it! Thanks so much once again. I'll check back in periodically and let you know any further developments. I'm convinced our story will never be over either.......

Boo! But you know that's only temporary, right? We should continue this though -it has been so enlightening for me. I'll checknon later today (it's 7 am now )

Neptune can be both dreamy, mystical and otherworldly, as well as problematic and hard to pin down. She and I also have Venus conj Moon. We have a few stressful ones too, but as I said, I think the overall Taurus /Scorpio in is way powerful on its own, and not much takes away from it.

Your story is so interesting and to the point here though.....

Im sorry JG. I know how you feel, and am sort of in the same boat-though we shall see what happens with my situation soon. Im glad you shared FWIW. It made me feel not alone and somewhat validated ( as did the other comments ).

Hahahaha he** is close. Certainly a raging inferno. On a semi related note ( and forgive me if this is another thread-I suspect that it is ) but which do you find is more important? Synastry or the COmposite chart? Or are they equal? and why?

Have yet to get to sleep lol. We talked to day for about two hours, and I pretty much did as JG suggested ( others too, I don't forget!) at first she wasile so you're saying we can't be friends and you'll have to walk at some point. And I said we will always be more than friends, and I'll always be friendly with her but at some point I have to move on. I put no time table on it I just asked her to think about it. She said she was still processing all of it, but she would think about it. I also got weak and shards this poems with her-from Tagore; I seem to have loved you in numberless forms, numberless times??_
In life after life, in age after age, forever.
My spellbound heart has made and remade the necklace of songs,
That you take as a gift, wear round your neck in your many forms,
In life after life, in age after age, forever.

Whenever I hear old chronicles of love, its age-old pain,
Its ancient tale of being apart or together.
As I stare on and on into the past, in the end you emerge,
Clad in the light of a pole-star piercing the darkness of time:
You become an image of what is remembered forever.

You and I have floated here on the stream that brings from the fount.
At the heart of time, love of one for another.
We have played along side millions of lovers, shared in the same
Shy sweetness of meeting, the same distressful tears of farewell-
Old love but in shapes that renew and renew forever.

Today it is heaped at your feet, it has found its end in you
The love of all man??s days both past and forever:
Universal joy, universal sorrow, universal life.
The memories of all loves merging with this one love of ours —
And the songs of every poet past and forever.

It could have gone much worse, but we talked about lots of things and then parted pleasantly. Rest assured, this Scorpio woman knows beyond any shadow of a doubt how much she is loved. I just hope that perhaps she and virgo realize simultaneously that while they are good friends, and have always been there, that she and I BELONG together. Now, the waiting. I told her no pressure. Fingers crossed.

Posted by EmpathicBull
Oh I can do stubborn ! Here's another question -should I date other women? I mean I want to show her Im not sitting round all Eeyore like wishing she'll come back ( I kinda am lol ). Would that help or hurt things? I know some Scorpios like the challenge and don't want it too easy. Sometimes I feel as if me telling her all the time how much I care helps other times it makese think she thinks Im weak-and I know you Scorps can't stand weak.

Now I know why you asked me in my thread if the thread I made was about you...to be honest, I have a hard time reading posts without paragraph breaks and mistakenly assumed this was typical Scorp/Taurus issues without reading it at all. I see that it is NOT!

This is simply another case of a woman...unfortunately a Scorpio woman, who has put you on a back burner as back up. She's keeping you within an eye shot, stringing you along in a very subliminal way and it's working in case things fall flat with the Virgo. This is my advice to you. Instead of just starting to date someone (which you have every right to do), tell her firmly that you intend to. Let her know it's time for you to move on, and like her want someone in your life ...AND MEAN IT. You SHOULD move on and she needs to stop the bullshit she's pulling with you behind the Virgo's back. Would you like to be in the Virgo's shoes? I didn't think so. It doesn't matter if you starting to date is going to "hurt things"... She's not WITH YOU, she's with someone else. So move on, enjoy life and find someone who wants ALL of you! I wish you luck.

...and my 2 cents from the astro part of this.

Two of the longest relationships I had were Taurus & Virgo.

To this day a piece of my heart is with them both to the grave. If I had to pick which one I loved more, it would be for all different reasons. The Taurus and I share a son, so it's a natural bond and we are still very good friends. I have his back when he needs me, and he has mine.

The Virgo..whew..that was instant. He had a Scorpio moon, so the compatibility was off the charts regarding conversations without words. Our relationship ended due to continuous outside influences and to protect his 3 children. He got me more than the Taurus did. However the Taurus would ask me if he did not understand things. I respect them both a great deal.

Bottom line.........NEVER DID I STRING ONE ALONG while I was with the other nor would I.
If your Scorpio friend had an ounce of respect for you, she wouldn't be doing what she's doing.

That's all I'm going to say from an astrol perspective...and personal opinion.

Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
you've never met her.

you have no intention on meeting her.

why wait til she blocks you?

just do it and be done with her.

wtf— Clearly, I'm not caught up yet..jesus
what page is this on—? Cuz I just reread page 1/part of 2..

Posted by EmpathicBull
Ahh the $ 64,000 question!

She will be 28 Friday.
I am 52. Surprised ?

We had been seeing each other for a few weeks when she asked me how old I was. I told her and she was like you seem ageless to me Hahahaha. She has dated at least one other guy my age, and k have dated younger women though not because I have a thing for them necessarily. When we met, it was like a thunderbolt .....

Ok...I'm on page 6. Did you meet her in person or not? If not...ERASE EVERY SINGLE WORD I'VE SHARED.

@EmpathicBull I still would like to know is this Scorpio in the same vicinity as you?