Scrorps and being supportive

Are scorp ppl supportive in personal and professional lives to their partners and friends? been having this discussion with someone. what are your experiences?

Yes, sometimes to the point of it being destructive.



Meaning ... a Scorpio would support no matter what, they would encourage no matter what .... and sometimes the "what" really matters and shouldn't be encouraged.


Like for example .. let's say you couldn't sing, but, thought you could and wanted to go on American Idol .. a Scorpio would let you go make a fool out of yourself, because they would support/encourage no matter what ... without much thought beyond to reason out the "what".


It's like .. they have this sense of loyalty .. without really knowing how to apply it.

In which I think is the road that leads them to obssession.


If they cannot reason out loyalty, but can surely sense it there intensely ..... then how are they to be expected to understand that you want to break up with them?

To them .. this loyalty should just be there to them, without any logic in its application ... naturally, if you leave, this is all they can comprehend, there's no reasoning behind it to them .. so they will obssess in why they don't have you any longer.

that's funny. i was told very similar things. my personal experiences are different with scorps both men and women. my experience is that unless it serves their purpose in the long run they dont really care that much.

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Posted by P-Angel
Yes, sometimes to the point of it being destructive.



Meaning ... a Scorpio would support no matter what, they would encourage no matter what .... and sometimes the "what" really matters and shouldn't be encouraged.


Like for example .. let's say you couldn't sing, but, thought you could and wanted to go on American Idol .. a Scorpio would let you go make a fool out of yourself, because they would support/encourage no matter what ... without much thought beyond to reason out the "what".


It's like .. they have this sense of loyalty .. without really knowing how to apply it.

Really, P?

I have a habit of being honest to a fault... even when I know it will hurt someone deeply. It's just that I don't think a lie is more kind than the truth in the long run.

Interesting example you used... I had a friend in highschool who auditioned for Concert Choir with me and didn't make it. She was so upset and everyone else was telling her how wrong and unfair it was but I just couldn't do it. I told her that I was sorry that she was dissapointed but the reality was that she was tone deaf.

Everyone thought I was a bitch for telling her and she decided that we were no longer friends because of it, but I just couldn't lie to her.

All the other Scorps I know just as honest. I always go to them when I need the truth, no matter how ugly it is. 😛

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Yeah when I read PA's post I thought the same thing about the honestly. My scorp wont butter me up, and if I tell him a situation that I'm going through, if he feels that I'm wrong, I'm hearing it and then some. One of the reasons why I respect him so much is that one day when we first started to date he told me...

"I'm not going to lie to you just to make you feel better, and I wouldn't want you to do that to me either. I mean do you really want me to lie to you? I don't think you do, and if you did, I wouldn't want to be with you."

He's right, and another thing about him is that we go to school together. He's known throughout all the classes to give the best critiques. I've seen people start to shake when he walks into a room while they are presenting their projects... and even if he feels bad that they are so nervous around him... he'll still TEAR IT TO SHREDS. And YES they do have to care cause i

Posted by satori

Posted by P-Angel
Yes, sometimes to the point of it being destructive.



Meaning ... a Scorpio would support no matter what, they would encourage no matter what .... and sometimes the "what" really matters and shouldn't be encouraged.


Like for example .. let's say you couldn't sing, but, thought you could and wanted to go on American Idol .. a Scorpio would let you go make a fool out of yourself, because they would support/encourage no matter what ... without much thought beyond to reason out the "what".


It's like .. they have this sense of loyalty .. without really knowing how to apply it.

Really, P?

I have a habit of being honest to a fault... even when I know it will hurt someone deeply. It's just that I don't think a lie is more kind than the truth in the long run.

Interesting example you used... I had a friend in highschool who auditioned for Concert Choir with me and didn't make it. She was so upset and everyone else was telling her how wrong and unfair it was but I just couldn't do it. I told her that I was sorry that she was dissapointed but the reality was that she was tone deaf.

Everyone thought I was a bitch for telling her and she decided that we were no longer friends because of it, but I just couldn't lie to her.

All the other Scorps I know just as honest. I always go to them when I need the truth, no matter how ugly it is. 😛

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Yeah when I read PA's post I thought the same thing about the honestly. My scorp wont butter me up, and if I tell him a situation that I'm going through, if he feels that I'm wrong, I'm hearing it and then some. One of the reasons why I respect him so much is that one day when we first started to date he told me...

"I'm not going to lie to you just to make you feel better, and I wouldn't want you to do that to me either. I mean do you really want me to lie to you? I don't think you do, and if you did, I wouldn't want to be with you."

He's right, and another thing about him is that we go to school together. He's known throughout all the classes to give the best critiques. I've seen people start to shake when he walks into a room while they are presenting their projects... and even if he feels bad that they are so nervous around him... he'll still TEAR IT TO SHREDS. And YES they do have to care cause i

Ahhh I hate when it gets cut off...

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And YES they do have to care cause if he didn't know you very well... you didn't get a critique. Which sucks cause that means you're project doesn't get to improve. Sadly... since he would be so honest and blunt about whats wrong with you're designs, when he goes up to present he'd get crickets. Silence, zilch, nada... no one would judge his work. Poor guy...

Except for me of course... I'll analyze till I'm blue in the face.

your designs.. not you're designs.

Nil my typing isn't doing so great either... maybe I need a drink. Lol

That is what I observe ... it is coming from watching a couple, and not just friends or business associates, though.


I'm not so sure about the honest part ... I think all 3 categories of Water People tend to regard honesty according to their own perception of it, which isn't necessarily in accordance with the rest of the people.


Meaning ... Water People's honesty seems to be self-serving .. speaking in general terms of course.



To be honest 😛 ...... Water People strike me as opportunist, and how valuable can their loyalty/honesty really be if this is true.

There is something else that I want to ask here, and not really to do with Support.


In watching my son with his people .... he is extremely quick to turn-coat on a person if he feels that his toes have been stepped on. However, he is equally quick to let bygones be so that the water can run under the bridge.

So, what doesn't make sense to me is when it is said that Scorpios hold grudges until hell freezes over .. because quite Frankly, he forgives things that other people wouldn't dream of.

"Infact now that i think about it scorps are very passionate about righting the wrong in general whether it be polictal or personal or whatever."

My scorp calls himself the "karma police..."

Nuff said...

"i neva lie nor do other scorps i know...now withholding the complete truth (usually to save others form being hurt) is a different story...."



What kind of story, and how is this different?


Originally, I had said, in which was denied .... Scorpios will support no matter what, and sometimes this "what" is important to not ignore.

If withholding a truth in order to save a persons feelings, such as ...... "No baby, don't go on American Idol, please, honey, cause you really cannot carry tune. I'm sorry, I don't mean to hurt you" .... Scorpio will indeed protect the feelings of their partner, in most cases and NOT tell them they cannot sing.




Truth is only in place halfway .... the other half that isn't said, is remaining silent because there might be an opportunity in which this other half of the truth will be better served.

Truth is only in place halfway .... the other half that isn't said, is remaining silent because there might be an opportunity in which this other half of the truth will be better served.



That was suppose to be a question, not a statement.



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My idea of support is unlike everybody elses, it appears ..... I believe in telling a person exactly what they need to hear, whether they want to hear it or not.


Scorpios appear to mostly tell a person what they want the other to know .. and hold the rest silent for the future, if needed.



Perhaps, this condition doesn't just pertain to support ..... all people likely are pretty self-centered, really, because we do things only when they are beneficial to ourselves, don't we?

Like that episode of Friends where Joey told Pheobe that there's no such thing as a true good deed that isn't selfish ..... because people do good things to/for people, so they can feel good about doing a good thing themselves .. there is always a self reward.

Support people give to others ...... only happens if it's a self-benefit, so they can feel good about themselves.


I don't know .... just going through how this works.

p angel- i have to agree with you on many points you mentioned. don't want to say bad things about all scorp women here and it's only based on my personal experience. i know and have some scorp female friends and seems to be the same thing with them: they'll use anyone for their advantage. they'll tell you how much they love you and how special you're in their life right after they hurt your feelings. but they'll be back after a fight like nothing happen. i have a pieces friend and her scorp daughter is emotionally borderline abusive to her. i just want to slap her sometimes. i was trying to get a business thing going with one then she disappeared and then appeared and then the circle again.
with scorp guys they'll different in my experience.

explain this to me since i guess i don't get this:
my scorp went on business trip/vocation. it's been 5 days by now and he send me pics of the places every day, texts to tell me what's going on with him. never once asked me how i'm doing, what i'm doing, whom i'm doing. never even made a phone call to hear my voice, texted me twice that he misses me. wtf—? the way i look at it he doesn't care. are some ppl can be so self centered?
i'm loosing my patience here.

So, we finally get to the point of this thread .... your Scorpio boyfriend isn't giving you the attention you feel he should and so you are questioning is desire/ability to support you, and are wondering whether this is a Him issue, or Scorpio issue.



It sounds to me like he is keeping in touch while on his business trip ... try not to suck the life out of him by being extremely emotionally needy.

Guys, in general, really appreciate that.

p-angel:
"try not to suck the life out of him by being extremely emotionally needy"- i don't contact him. he gets in touch with me. i don't want to be a sounding board only for anyone when they need it.
"questioning his desire/ability to support" -absolutely, since i personally believe it's mutually important for both partner to be able to do that.
"your Scorpio boyfriend isn't giving you the attention you feel he should"-yes, sometimes i feel neglected and it's always about him. again, it should be mutually satisfying factor
at this point i'm not sure if he's a scorp or scorp/libra cusp with a heavy libra influence since he doesn't behave like a scorp at all.

i meant to say "i don't want to be a sounding board only for anyone when they need it" meaning if that's the ONLY thing they want from me. including bf or friends. should mutually satisfying

Aries,

I think you should concentrate more on the things that he is giving you instead of what he's not giving you. Reality is that everybody has things they are not giving to a partner, even yourself but happy couples learn to appreciate what they are getting from their partner, that brings trust making each other give more and then more to eventually get everything. Understand that there are women out there who would die to get half of what you are getting. Even on this very board, go back a few pages and you will see. Scorpios don't really stay in a position they don't want to be in, so if he's with you, it's because he likes you.