What Is Happiness?

I'm not talkin haha, I am talking about real Joy, Love, Peace.... What is it?

They say that it all comes from within. If so? Why is it so hard for some people to find?
And why is it so easy for happy people to soon forget such as they that are plagued with constant sorrows?

They say to see a rainbow, you have to stand a little rain. Makes sense, but what if a whole
lifetime is filled with rain? Perhaps there's a silver lining but I, myself, have seen clouds
with silver linings, turn black.

Search hi and low, hither and yon, outward, inward, nothing.

Deep and Chronic depression is a solitary confinement in a prison that none can see, let alone, understand
for the walls.

Happiness isn't a constant state. i think it's nearly impossible to make it a constant state. I do think it comes from acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, knowing of self, and then knowing, forgiving and accepting others.

Why do happy people forget those who are sorrowful? Depends. Some don't want the reminder that there is discomfort in the world. Some get frustrated in having their cheerfulness kicked to the curb if the depressed person is not wanting to be reminded of cheer. I think when people don't want the reminder of sadness and depression, they aren't truly happy, they are merely distracting themselves into a happy state.

As for the rain and rainbows analogy: you can find beauty and grace in unexpected places. It's one of my passions with photography, to find the magical, precious, fleeting little spots of beauty and wonder in places that usually go unnoticed, and to share them. The same concept can be applied to more than just photography.

You find your own happiness. No one can define it for you. 🙂 just remember someone's always there to help understand it though.

Posted by MoonArtist
Happiness isn't a constant state. i think it's nearly impossible to make it a constant state. I do think it comes from acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, knowing of self, and then knowing, forgiving and accepting others.

Why do happy people forget those who are sorrowful? Depends. Some don't want the reminder that there is discomfort in the world. Some get frustrated in having their cheerfulness kicked to the curb if the depressed person is not wanting to be reminded of cheer. I think when people don't want the reminder of sadness and depression, they aren't truly happy, they are merely distracting themselves into a happy state.

As for the rain and rainbows analogy: you can find beauty and grace in unexpected places. It's one of my passions with photography, to find the magical, precious, fleeting little spots of beauty and wonder in places that usually go unnoticed, and to share them. The same concept can be applied to more than just photography.

Suppose self is either made or become unacceptable?
Suppose their ability to distract themselves into a happy state becomes a disability?
Suppose you lost your eyesight. What then?

Imagine losing the ability to smile, to feel joy, love, contentment etc.
Imagine those things which once made life bearable, become unbearable.
Then imagine what it is not to be able to functionally comprehend anything.
All you know is that you are in a state of awareness of existence, but you don't know what existence is.
You can see you hand, but you don't know what it is. You look around, you see things that you know, but know not what they are, their purpose, their value. They have become nothing more than an object.
It's like a senseless dream, but you're not asleep and you're not dreaming.
You've gone past the state of heartache and pain and suffering and you see this.

Posted by MrFirebird
I'm not talkin haha, I am talking about real Joy, Love, Peace.... What is it?

They say that it all comes from within. If so? Why is it so hard for some people to find?
And why is it so easy for happy people to soon forget such as they that are plagued with constant sorrows?

They say to see a rainbow, you have to stand a little rain. Makes sense, but what if a whole
lifetime is filled with rain? Perhaps there's a silver lining but I, myself, have seen clouds
with silver linings, turn black.

Search hi and low, hither and yon, outward, inward, nothing.

Deep and Chronic depression is a solitary confinement in a prison that none can see, let alone, understand
for the walls.

Happiness is not something you find, it's something you build for yourself. First step is to know or ask yourself, what makes you happy? The only person who knows that is YOU. People cannot make you happy. They can try, but ultimately it has to come from within yourself. It starts by knowing yourself, your likes, dislikes.

Regarding a lifetime of rain..if there's a lot of rain, something is so stagnant, or unchanged, you have to find the energy and will to change that. In a literal sense if I found myself to be in a rainy climate and hated it...I'D MOVE! There was a line from the movie called World War Z. (Brad Pitt) It spoke true of the situation but also speaks of life in general. "Movement is Life". It speaks volumes. If I sat in a rainy climate, and hated it yet did nothing to change it, I'd expect to be miserable. If I were to be in a miserable job, I'd quit and sacrifice money for my happiness, miserable relationship even though I loved the person?...leave the relationship..etc.. It comes from within...the WILL and desire to be happy and to change things that are bad. Without that will or desire, invest in umbrellas. It has to come from you and within.

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by MoonArtist
Happiness isn't a constant state. i think it's nearly impossible to make it a constant state. I do think it comes from acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, knowing of self, and then knowing, forgiving and accepting others.

Why do happy people forget those who are sorrowful? Depends. Some don't want the reminder that there is discomfort in the world. Some get frustrated in having their cheerfulness kicked to the curb if the depressed person is not wanting to be reminded of cheer. I think when people don't want the reminder of sadness and depression, they aren't truly happy, they are merely distracting themselves into a happy state.

As for the rain and rainbows analogy: you can find beauty and grace in unexpected places. It's one of my passions with photography, to find the magical, precious, fleeting little spots of beauty and wonder in places that usually go unnoticed, and to share them. The same concept can be applied to more than just photography.

Suppose self is either made or become unacceptable?
Suppose their ability to distract themselves into a happy state becomes a disability?
Suppose you lost your eyesight. What then?

Imagine losing the ability to smile, to feel joy, love, contentment etc.
Imagine those things which once made life bearable, become unbearable.
Then imagine what it is not to be able to functionally comprehend anything.
All you know is that you are in a state of awareness of existence, but you don't know what existence is.
You can see you hand, but you don't know what it is. You look around, you see things that you know, but know not what they are, their purpose, their value. They have become nothing more than an object.
It's like a senseless dream, but you're not asleep and you're not dreaming.
You've gone past the state of heartache and pain and suffering and you see this.

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Somehow the person found this place you describe^^and it's a bad place. In order to change that, you have to back track and have the will to find your way out. Strength and determination is in all of us. So is the choice of whether or not we call on it.

This is a huge philosophical question and I don't claim to be the authority on "happiness." IMHO, I think happiness is too often equated with the emotional state and there's no happiness without sadness because suffering is a part of life too. There's no way to avoid it. Therefore, I don't make happiness a goal because for me at least that amounts to chasing after pleasure, which inevitably leads to pain. What I try to strive for is wisdom, acceptance, building good personal relationships and finding peace in myself. The hard times are not only inevitable, they test the will and value system, and can lead to greater compassion.

What is happiness... those moments of peace when everything is right, true, and balanced.

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by MoonArtist
Happiness isn't a constant state. i think it's nearly impossible to make it a constant state. I do think it comes from acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, knowing of self, and then knowing, forgiving and accepting others.

Why do happy people forget those who are sorrowful? Depends. Some don't want the reminder that there is discomfort in the world. Some get frustrated in having their cheerfulness kicked to the curb if the depressed person is not wanting to be reminded of cheer. I think when people don't want the reminder of sadness and depression, they aren't truly happy, they are merely distracting themselves into a happy state.

As for the rain and rainbows analogy: you can find beauty and grace in unexpected places. It's one of my passions with photography, to find the magical, precious, fleeting little spots of beauty and wonder in places that usually go unnoticed, and to share them. The same concept can be applied to more than just photography.

Suppose self is either made or become unacceptable?
Suppose their ability to distract themselves into a happy state becomes a disability?
Suppose you lost your eyesight. What then?

Imagine losing the ability to smile, to feel joy, love, contentment etc.
Imagine those things which once made life bearable, become unbearable.
Then imagine what it is not to be able to functionally comprehend anything.
All you know is that you are in a state of awareness of existence, but you don't know what existence is.
You can see you hand, but you don't know what it is. You look around, you see things that you know, but know not what they are, their purpose, their value. They have become nothing more than an object.
It's like a senseless dream, but you're not asleep and you're not dreaming.
You've gone past the state of heartache and pain and suffering and you see this.

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I have been there, in part. I'm still not sure how deep I was in. Somewhere along the way a core part of me realized that if I didn't stop it, if I didn't get away from the situation (that is what my ex had reduced me to, or maybe it was a shrinking in of self in an attempt to survive) it would eventually kill me. Literally. Somehow I found the spark to light a little fire, to start to plan, to make the cho

I have been there, in part. I'm still not sure how deep I was in. Somewhere along the way a core part of me realized that if I didn't stop it, if I didn't get away from the situation (that is what my ex had reduced me to, or maybe it was a shrinking in of self in an attempt to survive) it would eventually kill me. Literally. Somehow I found the spark to light a little fire, to start to plan, to make the choice to leave. I chose to fan that little fire into a raging inferno: I systematically burned the bridge, burned to the ground my love for him, and burned away the crap he had heaped on me in his effort to make me into a mirror of him and his own self hatred. I found little pieces of who I had been, and started hoarding them, gluing them back together in that dark pit. The pieces held....shakey, not entirely strong, but they held. When it was time to leave I pretty much walked through hellfire to do it, to reclaim myself, and to rediscover that not only did my core me survive, but there were new parts to me.

As I have witnessed, some choose the ultimate escape, and some choose hellfire. For me, hellfire was the only option.

Distracting self into a happy state isn't honest, it isn't mature, and it's what leads people to addictions with drugs, etc.

I would be distraught and upset if I lost my sight. At some point I'd have to face going through hellfire to get out of that dark place and back into the land of the living. Hellfire would be my choice. I have too much fighter in me to choose to give up.

Posted by IrresistableScorp

Peace of mind is happiness..for me at least.

Ladies, thank you for replying. I want to reply to each but have been having a lot of mental short circuits in
that I have not be able to focus better to give each of you a well thought out reply - I know it may seem like
it shouldn't be so hard to respond. Sometimes it is. It's just... hard to explain and all I ask is patience.
(I apologize if irked anyone - certainly not my intention - just want to do a good job in my replies to you)

Meanwhile...
I found this and am wondering what Pluto in the 12th meant - or how you understood it.
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2011/02/pluto-in-12th-house.html

My Pluto is in the 12th house. (Virgo)

I think that every aspect of personality, especially the darker side, is an area that we can learn from, grow from and even overcome, to a certain degree. 12 house pluto makes your personality handle certain problems in life in a certain way: you heap the blame and responsibility onto yourself, you absorb the negative. In some ways it's noble (think of King Leonidas in "300", or King David after he took Bathsheba), but it comes at a price, and that price is your own ability to see any good, to enjoy the good, to be kind to yourself.

I think there's an inner desire, with the pluto in 12, to do something good for mankind. Maybe that's like penance, or healing for that individual, but until you uncloud your mind of the self loathing and pain you take on you'll have a near impossible time finding the drive to do that, as well as the vision to pick out the gifts you have and how to apply them to that purpose.

I should know (not from a pluto 12th house perspective, but from being in that dark hole). When everything is colored in shades of drab and your only focus is on survival, there's precious time or space to go for those other goals.

So, that's my take on Pluto in the 12th.

Posted by MrFirebird
Ladies, thank you for replying. I want to reply to each but have been having a lot of mental short circuits in
that I have not be able to focus better to give each of you a well thought out reply - I know it may seem like
it shouldn't be so hard to respond. Sometimes it is. It's just... hard to explain and all I ask is patience.
(I apologize if irked anyone - certainly not my intention - just want to do a good job in my replies to you)

Meanwhile...
I found this and am wondering what Pluto in the 12th meant - or how you understood it.
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2011/02/pluto-in-12th-house.html

My Pluto is in the 12th house. (Virgo)

You don't have to explain. I've been there, too. A year ago, two years ago, I couldn't read more than a page or less at a time (and I'm an avid reader). I couldn't do more than 5 min. on my art. I stopped riding my horses. My focus was shot, completely gone. Now I'm at a place where I can do an hr worth of art, or read a whole chapter. I'm back in college, even. I'm still getting my groove back, it's not up to par, but it's much improved. I haven't taken any pills or meds, either.

Posted by starlover
Mr. F....i found this which is quite interesting


http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.ie/2011/02/pluto-in-12th-house.html#.U9De2HOTQ5s

Thank you star. The only thing about it, though, is that I've been there before.

Just woke up from a nightmare.
😢

Never ever had a nightmare like that. Disturbing. Offensive. Shameful.

Pluto in the 12th.
Saturn in the 8th.

😢