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What is suffering?
Posted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
I tell them the truth.
If they don't want to listen, then that's their problem.click to expand
Give me an example of how you did this while working for the suicide hotline.
Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?click to expand
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
https://i.imgur.com/2diK8aP.gif
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.click to expand
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TallDeadHellbender-small.gif
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?
Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?click to expand
When you post a picture of said threat.
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?
When you post a picture of said threat.click to expand
That's what I thought.
Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?
When you post a picture of said threat.
That's what I thought.click to expand
I second that.
It's funny because there was no such threat.
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?
When you post a picture of said threat.
That's what I thought.
I second that.
It's funny because there was no such threat.click to expand
Just like your screenshots.
Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?
When you post a picture of said threat.
That's what I thought.
I second that.
It's funny because there was no such threat.
Just like your screenshots.click to expand
Let's take this to the stage. You Leo Moons love exposure.
Posted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
@_Dazed as well
But WHAT IS SUFFERING.
My definition does change how you look at it. Therefore suffering is not actually a part of life rather a narrow and negative view of the mechanic of struggle that inspires growth and evolution. It doesn't have to cause "suffering" if you look and treat it differently.
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by _DazedPosted by Dastard2020Posted by TopSecretPosted by _DazedPosted by TopSecret
Dr. Peterson addressed this multiple times.
Existence on this planet will lead to suffering, no matter what one's place in life is.
The question becomes this:
What will you do to make your own life (as well as the lives of others) better despite this unavoidable suffering?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
What about you, shithead?
What have you done to ease the suffering of others?
Sleeping with his ex's sister for revenge. Truly a vindictive and morally depraved hypocrite.
Rub that information in his face whenever necessary.
We reconciled and are friends now.
Try again.
Don't need to as that new information is irrelevant.
You try again.
When are you going to post the screenshots you threatened me with?
When you post a picture of said threat.
That's what I thought.
I second that.
It's funny because there was no such threat.
Just like your screenshots.
Let's take this to the stage. You Leo Moons love exposure.click to expand
Waiting on you..
in recalling my past lives, i've realized that suffering must be a constant teacher. pain has sources by the variety from self-contempt to ostracization. and from what i've noticed, most people who recall their past lives tend to remember lives that were never free of suffering.
pain impairs memory but we always remember the sensations with our system leaving a memory trace of pain. scientifically, any pain that lasts more than a few minutes will leave a memory trace in our nervous system. a fact that science discovered but cannot completely explain yet. but unlike most, i don't believe this is just a human condition. all life forms must have their own memory trace of pain, at least that's what i believe. we know so little of those who are not of our kind and don't even completely understand ourselves.
though i can no more live those lives again, i can most remember their pain but nature has a way of making us forget these things in the next life. and maybe better that we don't remember coz it's pointless. we can no more avoid pain than we can avoid life.
pain impairs memory but we always remember the sensations with our system leaving a memory trace of pain. scientifically, any pain that lasts more than a few minutes will leave a memory trace in our nervous system. a fact that science discovered but cannot completely explain yet. but unlike most, i don't believe this is just a human condition. all life forms must have their own memory trace of pain, at least that's what i believe. we know so little of those who are not of our kind and don't even completely understand ourselves.
though i can no more live those lives again, i can most remember their pain but nature has a way of making us forget these things in the next life. and maybe better that we don't remember coz it's pointless. we can no more avoid pain than we can avoid life.
Posted by modnarPosted by Lostthoughts
My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
Video:
I like your take on it. Truly.
From another yet similar angle. Suffering is discontent. And discontent is innate.
It's why we always want more. Why there's such a state as boredom. And everyone always seems eager for the next excitement.
Why pretty much everyone can relate to what some call the "hole", "the void".
Like a ravenous creature that's always hungry.click to expand
striving I think is innate. Boredom is unfulfillment of that?
The hole or void? The feeling that something is missing? That one is tricky. I agree but it isn't suffering. Longing maybe. I say this because if you have to stay busy to not feel the void, I would question what your trying to distract yourself from feeling. It honestly doesn't work, the void/longing doesn't go away until you address the source. Wether direct confrontation with it or you get lucky and happen to come across what's missing. Otherwise you will always be running.
Hmm ok that was a rant my bad. Still what do you think of that?
On a side note: another source of the feeling of boredom to what might be called suffering. Addiction to stimulation :-)
Dopamine addictions. Basically you get addicted to stimuli. Dopamine is the brains reward system chemical. People who complain a lot about bored this usually is the case.
The most common example if this is: Late at night to do watch porn and masturbate even though your not horny? It is the dopamine release your after not the sexual release. You weren't horny to begin with.
On a side note the most addicting drugs effects dopamine in your brain quite strongly.
Posted by _mudra
Lmao at the major derailment of this thread.
Suffering is within the limitations of your own thought patterns. People who have little food and may not know where they will be sleeping wouldn't be suffering with a genuine attitude of gratitude. Some of the happiest people on earth have nothing compared to what most of us think is nothing. Those with everything tend to be lonely and always want more.
However I do believe that overcoming your suffering thought patterns brings tremendous growth each time you jump that hurdle into higher energy. That come back is 👌
Omg I just finished this video in full. He talks about exactly what you are talking about and in a way explains why someone who has nothing can be happy while someone who has a lot is not....and this video is only part 1 of 2.
This guy is deep.
i like the buddhist's angle on suffering. that suffering comes from negative desires. it is attachment to those things, people, ideas that bring suffering.
I didn’t watch the video.
I think of suffering in the long term sense as an inability or unwillingness to cope with something that gives you anxiety.
Sometimes I don’t think the person is able to cope due to disorders meaning it’s not their fault. Other times, I think it’s a persons choice to not try to cope when they definitely can try, but refuse not to.
I think of suffering in the long term sense as an inability or unwillingness to cope with something that gives you anxiety.
Sometimes I don’t think the person is able to cope due to disorders meaning it’s not their fault. Other times, I think it’s a persons choice to not try to cope when they definitely can try, but refuse not to.
Posted by jeane
i like the buddhist's angle on suffering. that suffering comes from negative desires. it is attachment to those things, people, ideas that bring suffering.
I like this too jeane and believe it’s true...
Posted by MyStarsShinePosted by jeane
i like the buddhist's angle on suffering. that suffering comes from negative desires. it is attachment to those things, people, ideas that bring suffering.
I like this too jeane and believe it’s true...click to expand
yeah me too. it's like worrying about getting old or suffering because a relationship didn't work out, or someone cut you off in the supermarket. it's that desire to stay young/be loved by that person only/be first in the queue that is at the heart of our pain.
i think it explains a lot and the suggestion that letting go of that attachment ie accepting age is inevitable/love comes in many forms/if you are first or second in line it doesn't really matter - is helpful in overcoming a very human emotion. buddhism teaches life is suffering. it's how you deal with it that makes all the difference.
Posted by jeanePosted by MyStarsShinePosted by jeane
i like the buddhist's angle on suffering. that suffering comes from negative desires. it is attachment to those things, people, ideas that bring suffering.
I like this too jeane and believe it’s true...
yeah me too. it's like worrying about getting old or suffering because a relationship didn't work out, or someone cut you off in the supermarket. it's that desire to stay young/be loved by that person only/be first in the queue that is at the heart of our pain.
i think it explains a lot and the suggestion that letting go of that attachment ie accepting age is inevitable/love comes in many forms/if you are first or second in line it doesn't really matter - is helpful in overcoming a very human emotion. buddhism teaches life is suffering. it's how you deal with it that makes all the difference.click to expand
Yes true, letting go and not giving a toss 😀
Releasing the ego...👍
Posted by jeane
i like the buddhist's angle on suffering. that suffering comes from negative desires. it is attachment to those things, people, ideas that bring suffering.
Buddhist angle teaches you to accept "suffering". By doing that you can go beyond it in a way and the things that cause you suffering welll....no longer do.
I'm half done with part 2. This dicussion actually supports Buddhist philosophy from a different angle. As well as talk about the biological and psychology mechanics that support buddhist mindset. They talk about religious philosophy the last quarter of part 1 and into the next day (part 2).
On a side note. People misunderstand Buddhist philosophy because they focus on set 1 "suffering is inevitable" they don't realise/know it does stop there.
You would get a kick out of that I bet.
Posted by _mudraPosted by LostthoughtsPosted by _mudra
Lmao at the major derailment of this thread.
Suffering is within the limitations of your own thought patterns. People who have little food and may not know where they will be sleeping wouldn't be suffering with a genuine attitude of gratitude. Some of the happiest people on earth have nothing compared to what most of us think is nothing. Those with everything tend to be lonely and always want more.
However I do believe that overcoming your suffering thought patterns brings tremendous growth each time you jump that hurdle into higher energy. That come back is 👌
Omg I just finished this video in full. He talks about exactly what you are talking about and in a way explains why someone who has nothing can be happy while someone who has a lot is not....and this video is only part 1 of 2.
This guy is deep.
It's powerful stuff. The thing about it is that it's so simple, it's hard for most people to wrap their busy, over stimulated minds around.
Hell, even I still struggle with how simple it is and it's been apart of my practice for 10+ years. Sometimes I have to pull myself out of this giant hole I've fell into just to realize "Wow. All that suffering for....——" None of that brain static I created for myself ever mattered.click to expand
Same here. I've started my own version a few years back and know I know better I have no excuse to continue to advance. I can't blame ignorance.
Posted by Fanta
Some suffering is beyond philosophy. I can't "positive thought" my way out of getting abused or neglected as a child or being a victim of a crime, for example.
I would also argue against the idea that overcoming suffering equals a positive outcome. That is sometimes the case, but just as often people are deeply traumatized, which causes all sorts of personal, relationship, and societal dysfunction.
They touch on what you are talking about directly at the beginning of part 2. You could start there. Although you would understand and get more from it if you watch all of part 1 because they build up to it.
It's not about really reframing it and over coming it with positive thinking but rather deal with it in a way to not negative impact you. That would leave a neutral response and a positive response and everything in between by default. Since the negative is removed.
This is what I got from it. Watch part 1 and at least half of part 2 and tell me if that is what they are implying to you too or if you got something else from it.
Btw I am taking your suffering seriously. I know about it myself firsthand.
Posted by virgoOPPP
in recalling my past lives, i've realized that suffering must be a constant teacher. pain has sources by the variety from self-contempt to ostracization. and from what i've noticed, most people who recall their past lives tend to remember lives that were never free of suffering.
pain impairs memory but we always remember the sensations with our system leaving a memory trace of pain. scientifically, any pain that lasts more than a few minutes will leave a memory trace in our nervous system. a fact that science discovered but cannot completely explain yet. but unlike most, i don't believe this is just a human condition. all life forms must have their own memory trace of pain, at least that's what i believe. we know so little of those who are not of our kind and don't even completely understand ourselves.
though i can no more live those lives again, i can most remember their pain but nature has a way of making us forget these things in the next life. and maybe better that we don't remember coz it's pointless. we can no more avoid pain than we can avoid life.
Science has figured out why we remember somethings better then others. The value of the memory and it's worth us determined by its emotional and psychological impact/ energy attached to it.
If a memory no longer energy attached to it regardless of what kinda of energy attached to it....you will fade over time. I can tell you this is actually true first hand. The brain has this mechanic. A great example of this is natural child birth. Why do woman for get how absolutely painful it is? Think about it. Any other event that painful would tramatism someone.
If you remember those pains that strongly I suppose it was something important to you to still be able to remember and carry it over? Maybe unfinished business or their is a lesson/knowledge carried over in that form.
Posted by modnarPosted by LostthoughtsPosted by modnarPosted by Lostthoughts
My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
Video:
I like your take on it. Truly.
From another yet similar angle. Suffering is discontent. And discontent is innate.
It's why we always want more. Why there's such a state as boredom. And everyone always seems eager for the next excitement.
Why pretty much everyone can relate to what some call the "hole", "the void".
Like a ravenous creature that's always hungry.
striving I think is innate. Boredom is unfulfillment of that?
The hole or void? The feeling that something is missing? That one is tricky. I agree but it isn't suffering. Longing maybe. I say this because if you have to stay busy to not feel the void, I would question what your trying to distract yourself from feeling. It honestly doesn't work, the void/longing doesn't go away until you address the source. Wether direct confrontation with it or you get lucky and happen to come across what's missing. Otherwise you will always be running.
Hmm ok that was a rant my bad. Still what do you think of that?
On a side note: another source of the feeling of boredom to what might be called suffering. Addiction to stimulation :-)
Dopamine addictions. Basically you get addicted to stimuli. Dopamine is the brains reward system chemical. People who complain a lot about bored this usually is the case.
The most common example if this is: Late at night to do watch porn and masturbate even though your not horny? It is the dopamine release your after not the sexual release. You weren't horny to begin with.
On a side note the most addicting drugs effects dopamine in your brain quite strongly.
With the constant "you's", i felt a finger jabbing at my face. 🙃
Jests aside, you've just elaborated the point i made.
It's the wanting i referred to as the prerequisite of suffering. And that 'hole' the source of it.
Content people don't want thus, they don't suffer. And, i'll add, humorously, that they have poorer self-preservation skills. Life is constant strife afterall... of trying to mend what one considers broken, of trying to keep a state of contentment intact, and of trying to acquire what one thinks one lacks. And it's this constant state of wanting i mentioned earlier. And what's longing if not wanting?(or maybe it's the word usage that's confusing?)
On addiction to stimulation, i agree. It's like the opposite of buddhism's tenets, which someone mentioned.
This is that kind of topic that the deeper one digs, the wider and deeper one realises it goes. I'd say we've likely just scratched the surface.
Now my side note🤸♂️, without suffering and pain, the joy or elation that comes after a struggle would have no value.click to expand
I very much agree with you. Same thing different angle then?
Posted by modnarPosted by LostthoughtsPosted by modnarPosted by LostthoughtsPosted by modnarPosted by Lostthoughts
My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
Video:
I like your take on it. Truly.
From another yet similar angle. Suffering is discontent. And discontent is innate.
It's why we always want more. Why there's such a state as boredom. And everyone always seems eager for the next excitement.
Why pretty much everyone can relate to what some call the "hole", "the void".
Like a ravenous creature that's always hungry.
striving I think is innate. Boredom is unfulfillment of that?
The hole or void? The feeling that something is missing? That one is tricky. I agree but it isn't suffering. Longing maybe. I say this because if you have to stay busy to not feel the void, I would question what your trying to distract yourself from feeling. It honestly doesn't work, the void/longing doesn't go away until you address the source. Wether direct confrontation with it or you get lucky and happen to come across what's missing. Otherwise you will always be running.
Hmm ok that was a rant my bad. Still what do you think of that?
On a side note: another source of the feeling of boredom to what might be called suffering. Addiction to stimulation :-)
Dopamine addictions. Basically you get addicted to stimuli. Dopamine is the brains reward system chemical. People who complain a lot about bored this usually is the case.
The most common example if this is: Late at night to do watch porn and masturbate even though your not horny? It is the dopamine release your after not the sexual release. You weren't horny to begin with.
On a side note the most addicting drugs effects dopamine in your brain quite strongly.
With the constant "you's", i felt a finger jabbing at my face. 🙃
Jests aside, you've just elaborated the point i made.
It's the wanting i referred to as the prerequisite of suffering. And that 'hole' the source of it.
Content people don't want thus, they don't suffer. And, i'll add, humorously, that they have poorer self-preservation skills. Life is constant strife afterall... of trying to mend what one considers broken, of trying to keep a state of contentment intact, and of trying to acquire what one thinks one lacks. And it's this constant state of wanting i mentioned earlier. And what's longing if not wanting?(or maybe it's the word usage that's confusing?)
On addiction to stimulation, i agree. It's like the opposite of buddhism's tenets, which someone mentioned.
This is that kind of topic that the deeper one digs, the wider and deeper one realises it goes. I'd say we've likely just scratched the surface.
Now my side note🤸♂️, without suffering and pain, the joy or elation that comes after a struggle would have no value.
I very much agree with you. Same thing different angle then?
Aye. But being agreed with makes me itch to take the opposing stance. Heh. Jokie jokie.click to expand
counter points are always welcomed.I like breaking things down to get to the heart/root of things. Best way to do that is well breaking it down.
Besides what survives scrutiny is more likely to have the most truth in it.
So long as it is constructive, fire away!😁
Posted by FantaPosted by LostthoughtsPosted by Fanta
Some suffering is beyond philosophy. I can't "positive thought" my way out of getting abused or neglected as a child or being a victim of a crime, for example.
I would also argue against the idea that overcoming suffering equals a positive outcome. That is sometimes the case, but just as often people are deeply traumatized, which causes all sorts of personal, relationship, and societal dysfunction.
They touch on what you are talking about directly at the beginning of part 2. You could start there. Although you would understand and get more from it if you watch all of part 1 because they build up to it.
It's not about really reframing it and over coming it with positive thinking but rather deal with it in a way to not negative impact you. That would leave a neutral response and a positive response and everything in between by default. Since the negative is removed.
This is what I got from it. Watch part 1 and at least half of part 2 and tell me if that is what they are implying to you too or if you got something else from it.
Btw I am taking your suffering seriously. I know about it myself firsthand.
I might try again later. I made it about 12 minutes in and got severely irritated. He sounds like a man who hasn't experienced much actual suffering.click to expand
when someone tells you a sad story do you not look in their eyes and feel it to? Must we suffer ourselves to fully grasp its effect? This man speaks from a perspective of appreciation of the suffering of the world and I can say he very much understands it. He has no trouble giving everyone in the room pause and to question themselves.
Did you start watching with a expectation that he would not understand your pain and others? Or maybe because he did not openly speak of his sympathy of the suffers plight?
Posted by Lostthoughts
I was listening to a video of a psychology discussion on YouTube from the 80s. The first question was about what is consciousness. That lead to the cause of disorders. The psychologist purposes that it's suffering caused by selfishness and eggotism. The question lead to individualism and suffering. The man old they were watching and giving their thoughts on is a psychologist.
The topic of the video is what is the origin of psychological disorders? Isn't the origin actually yourself? It dives pretty deep on the subject of the human condition.
10 minutes in and the scientists said something that was fundamentally wrong to me. They view struggle in life as chaos and disorder. Another words wrong.
My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
I'm curious on everyone else's point of view on this. Just listen to the first 10 minutes so we are on the same page. If you are not up for that, say you didn't listen and give your opinion.
Video:
"My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it."
I think it depend on the person involved.
Like for example somone had a struggle like "having abusive parents", for the one who could overcome it, learn from it as a mistake he/she should not do later as a parent, it cause growth and evolution.
But for the one who could not overcome it, they will become crazy, or perhaps overcome it in a wrong way, learn something wrong from it like become abusive parent themself, it result in a mentally disorder persona, which proof what the speaker said as correct.
"Isn't the origin actually yourself?"
A little portion of it, yes, but many suffering come from others, like loss of a loved one, being mocked, tricked, cheated, mugged, lied to, punched, kicked, killed etc, many of it truly come from others, and many of it truly are come from selfishness and egotism.
I mean if theres no one but you, those accident wont happen, thus you wont feel those suffering.
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I was listening to a video of a psychology discussion on YouTube from the 80s. The first question was about what is consciousness. That lead to the cause of disorders. The psychologist purposes that it's suffering caused by selfishness and eggotism. The question lead to individualism and suffering. The man old they were watching and giving their thoughts on is a psychologist.
The topic of the video is what is the origin of psychological disorders? Isn't the origin actually yourself? It dives pretty deep on the subject of the human condition.
10 minutes in and the scientists said something that was fundamentally wrong to me. They view struggle in life as chaos and disorder. Another words wrong.
My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
I'm curious on everyone else's point of view on this. Just listen to the first 10 minutes so we are on the same page. If you are not up for that, say you didn't listen and give your opinion.
Video:
"My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it."
I think it depend on the person involved.
Like for example somone had a struggle like "having abusive parents", for the one who could overcome it, learn from it as a mistake he/she should not do later as a parent, it cause growth and evolution.
But for the one who could not overcome it, they will become crazy, or perhaps overcome it in a wrong way, learn something wrong from it like become abusive parent themself, it result in a mentally disorder persona, which proof what the speaker said as correct.
"Isn't the origin actually yourself?"
A little portion of it, yes, but many suffering come from others, like loss of a loved one, being mocked, tricked, cheated, mugged, lied to, punched, kicked, killed etc, many of it truly come from others, and many of it truly are come from selfishness and egotism.
I mean if theres no one but you, those accident wont happen, thus you wont feel those suffering.click to expand
let's generalize those things and just call them events or situations.
How YOU respond and take from these events/situations shapes you. Well at least that layer of you that we like to call ego.
Everyone responds differently and to different degrees. As you said. Some may become abusers themselves, habitual victims, advocates, or vigilianties. More often though not they carry it with them and it functions like a open wound on their psyche. The interesting about that is. You can get to the point where that is no longer the case. People are far too accepting of their personal trama and wounds to work though then enough to be able to release them.
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My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
Video:
I like your take on it. Truly.
From another yet similar angle. Suffering is discontent. And discontent is innate.
It's why we always want more. Why there's such a state as boredom. And everyone always seems eager for the next excitement.
Why pretty much everyone can relate to what some call the "hole", "the void".
Like a ravenous creature that's always hungry.
striving I think is innate. Boredom is unfulfillment of that?
The hole or void? The feeling that something is missing? That one is tricky. I agree but it isn't suffering. Longing maybe. I say this because if you have to stay busy to not feel the void, I would question what your trying to distract yourself from feeling. It honestly doesn't work, the void/longing doesn't go away until you address the source. Wether direct confrontation with it or you get lucky and happen to come across what's missing. Otherwise you will always be running.
Hmm ok that was a rant my bad. Still what do you think of that?
On a side note: another source of the feeling of boredom to what might be called suffering. Addiction to stimulation :-)
Dopamine addictions. Basically you get addicted to stimuli. Dopamine is the brains reward system chemical. People who complain a lot about bored this usually is the case.
The most common example if this is: Late at night to do watch porn and masturbate even though your not horny? It is the dopamine release your after not the sexual release. You weren't horny to begin with.
On a side note the most addicting drugs effects dopamine in your brain quite strongly.
With the constant "you's", i felt a finger jabbing at my face. 🙃
Jests aside, you've just elaborated the point i made.
It's the wanting i referred to as the prerequisite of suffering. And that 'hole' the source of it.
Content people don't want thus, they don't suffer. And, i'll add, humorously, that they have poorer self-preservation skills. Life is constant strife afterall... of trying to mend what one considers broken, of trying to keep a state of contentment intact, and of trying to acquire what one thinks one lacks. And it's this constant state of wanting i mentioned earlier. And what's longing if not wanting?(or maybe it's the word usage that's confusing?)
On addiction to stimulation, i agree. It's like the opposite of buddhism's tenets, which someone mentioned.
This is that kind of topic that the deeper one digs, the wider and deeper one realises it goes. I'd say we've likely just scratched the surface.
Now my side note🤸♂️, without suffering and pain, the joy or elation that comes after a struggle would have no value.
I very much agree with you. Same thing different angle then?
Aye. But being agreed with makes me itch to take the opposing stance. Heh. Jokie jokie.
counter points are always welcomed.I like breaking things down to get to the heart/root of things. Best way to do that is well breaking it down.
Besides what survives scrutiny is more likely to have the most truth in it.
So long as it is constructive, fire away!😁
i was mostly joking. and not really in the mood.
but if every & anything was to truly be scrutinized, the end result would be that everything known is just another human opinion. hence, easily classified as bullshit.
but ourselves being humans, that can be denied.click to expand
true biased is a issue as well as the natural limitations of humans and our biology. Etc like the fact we only see a small range of the color spectrum. That really matters because there is a direct corolation between the color and energy.
If you think about it talking, about it and looking at it from different perspectives does cut down on bias. I would point out the scientific method with strong pier review requirements helps. Just a real discussion like you see in the video leads to very interesting revelations. Part 2 attributes a lot of mental disorders from a lack of a sense of "security" or you could say a over dependence on it.
Edit: I enjoy discovery from these rabbit role subjects. You end up in the most interesting places. I'm sure Alice would agree.
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My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
Video:
I like your take on it. Truly.
From another yet similar angle. Suffering is discontent. And discontent is innate.
It's why we always want more. Why there's such a state as boredom. And everyone always seems eager for the next excitement.
Why pretty much everyone can relate to what some call the "hole", "the void".
Like a ravenous creature that's always hungry.
striving I think is innate. Boredom is unfulfillment of that?
The hole or void? The feeling that something is missing? That one is tricky. I agree but it isn't suffering. Longing maybe. I say this because if you have to stay busy to not feel the void, I would question what your trying to distract yourself from feeling. It honestly doesn't work, the void/longing doesn't go away until you address the source. Wether direct confrontation with it or you get lucky and happen to come across what's missing. Otherwise you will always be running.
Hmm ok that was a rant my bad. Still what do you think of that?
On a side note: another source of the feeling of boredom to what might be called suffering. Addiction to stimulation :-)
Dopamine addictions. Basically you get addicted to stimuli. Dopamine is the brains reward system chemical. People who complain a lot about bored this usually is the case.
The most common example if this is: Late at night to do watch porn and masturbate even though your not horny? It is the dopamine release your after not the sexual release. You weren't horny to begin with.
On a side note the most addicting drugs effects dopamine in your brain quite strongly.
With the constant "you's", i felt a finger jabbing at my face. 🙃
Jests aside, you've just elaborated the point i made.
It's the wanting i referred to as the prerequisite of suffering. And that 'hole' the source of it.
Content people don't want thus, they don't suffer. And, i'll add, humorously, that they have poorer self-preservation skills. Life is constant strife afterall... of trying to mend what one considers broken, of trying to keep a state of contentment intact, and of trying to acquire what one thinks one lacks. And it's this constant state of wanting i mentioned earlier. And what's longing if not wanting?(or maybe it's the word usage that's confusing?)
On addiction to stimulation, i agree. It's like the opposite of buddhism's tenets, which someone mentioned.
This is that kind of topic that the deeper one digs, the wider and deeper one realises it goes. I'd say we've likely just scratched the surface.
Now my side note🤸♂️, without suffering and pain, the joy or elation that comes after a struggle would have no value.
I very much agree with you. Same thing different angle then?
Aye. But being agreed with makes me itch to take the opposing stance. Heh. Jokie jokie.
counter points are always welcomed.I like breaking things down to get to the heart/root of things. Best way to do that is well breaking it down.
Besides what survives scrutiny is more likely to have the most truth in it.
So long as it is constructive, fire away!😁
i was mostly joking. and not really in the mood.
but if every & anything was to truly be scrutinized, the end result would be that everything known is just another human opinion. hence, easily classified as bullshit.
but ourselves being humans, that can be denied.
true biased is a issue as well as the natural limitations of humans and our biology. Etc like the fact we only see a small range of the color spectrum. That really matters because there is a direct corolation between the color and energy.
If you think about it talking, about it and looking at it from different perspectives does cut down on bias. I would point out the scientific method with strong pier review requirements helps. Just a real discussion like you see in the video leads to very interesting revelations. Part 2 attributes a lot of mental disorders from a lack of a sense of "security" or you could say a over dependence on it.
Edit: I enjoy discovery from these rabbit role subjects. You end up in the most interesting places. I'm sure Alice would agree.
Precisely. It's the realisation that we're, in our state, incapable of grasping everything as it is in its fullness that makes trying to pointless.
But, like you said, it doesn't make it any less fun. I've noticed TP's(from MBTI) enjoy this the most. Probably the only ones. My guess is you're one as well.
And Alice sure would be thankful she met wonders and not monsters.click to expand
Correct. I test either INFP or INTP
It is not pointless. Some of the greatest discovery of our species was by accident or from asking why.
I can honestly say learning of and understanding how little we know of the complexities of reality itself only enhances its beauty. And excites me at times. Seriously I'll give you a very relatable example. Think about all the things that has to happen for your hand to move. Every muscle contraction at a certain time in a certain way, how many individual muscles are in your hand? Are YOU actually moving it or did you simply make a lightning fast request to your brain and it's doing it for you, when your not focusing specifically on doing that?
That realization leads to a very interesting question, are YOU really your body or just in the driver seat?
P.S. Alice met neither because they are both.
Imagine living a life where your only escape is a bottle of liquid that you drink and feel great, then chase that feeling till the liquid makes you pass out into oblivion. Then you wake up the next day and feel like you are dying, yet all you want to do is chase that one moment the liquid made you feel good again. Yet all you tend to get every time is feeling disoriented and sick, and waking up in a haze wanting to chase that same feeling. Or the idea you will get to feel something that actually feels good again. Or hell, actually feeling something at all. Imagine not being able to feel anything, and this vicious liquid is the only thing that can open you up to even feel emotion or pleasure in the first place. The worst part is even once you quit the store down the street sells it, so at any given time you can drink yourself into oblivion. If even for a night.
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@Lostthoughts random thought. Similar to the color spectrum you mentioned, i once read something about dimensionalities. How humans live in 3D, ants live in 2D etc. i remember wondering to what extent the dimensions go and spending most of my days observing ants. Try to imagine what 6D might look like. or more tasking, go higher... say, 16.👺
You would get a kick out of quantom physics. Time&space is a property of the 3rd dimension. Time is just a measurement and just for our amusement. It doesn't actually exist. Its Based on our perception. Which is you could say a linear progression.
Quantom physics may actually be observations of properties of a higher dimension. Which is why it's such a mind fuck for us. A dimension where all outcomes exists and the outcome observed is just that. One outcome of infinite possibilities. Just like a 2d objected can be stacked in a 3rd world, 3d can be stacked in the 4th dimension. Since all outcomes effect other outcomes the variations in out comes could differ enough over time to be completely different realities or universes. Each 3d Reality you could compare to a sheet of 2d paper in reference to the 4th dimension. The multiverse theory maybe be a actual property of existence🙃
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Imagine living a life where your only escape is a bottle of liquid that you drink and feel great, then chase that feeling till the liquid makes you pass out into oblivion. Then you wake up the next day and feel like you are dying, yet all you want to do is chase that one moment the liquid made you feel good again. Yet all you tend to get every time is feeling disoriented and sick, and waking up in a haze wanting to chase that same feeling. Or the idea you will get to feel something that actually feels good again. Or hell, actually feeling something at all. Imagine not being able to feel anything, and this vicious liquid is the only thing that can open you up to even feel emotion or pleasure in the first place. The worst part is even once you quit the store down the street sells it, so at any given time you can drink yourself into oblivion. If even for a night.
Yes, it's relatable for me. It is escapism.
Your dulling/masking what your actually feeling rather then dealing with it and it's actually cause.
Imagine that isn't even good enough anymore and only enhances and adds to your suffering even more. Because of this You finally crack and break. Like a actual broken dam all that you held back and hide from yourself, pours out. You are completely overwhelmed and drowning in your own emotions and sorrow. It pours out of your very being until you are completely drained and there is literally nothing left. It is all gone. The pain, the sorrow, and all that you were, just disappeared and was gone. Imagine then you could just start over. To be a clean slate again. Would that be such a bad thing?
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My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
Video:
I like your take on it. Truly.
From another yet similar angle. Suffering is discontent. And discontent is innate.
It's why we always want more. Why there's such a state as boredom. And everyone always seems eager for the next excitement.
Why pretty much everyone can relate to what some call the "hole", "the void".
Like a ravenous creature that's always hungry.
striving I think is innate. Boredom is unfulfillment of that?
The hole or void? The feeling that something is missing? That one is tricky. I agree but it isn't suffering. Longing maybe. I say this because if you have to stay busy to not feel the void, I would question what your trying to distract yourself from feeling. It honestly doesn't work, the void/longing doesn't go away until you address the source. Wether direct confrontation with it or you get lucky and happen to come across what's missing. Otherwise you will always be running.
Hmm ok that was a rant my bad. Still what do you think of that?
On a side note: another source of the feeling of boredom to what might be called suffering. Addiction to stimulation :-)
Dopamine addictions. Basically you get addicted to stimuli. Dopamine is the brains reward system chemical. People who complain a lot about bored this usually is the case.
The most common example if this is: Late at night to do watch porn and masturbate even though your not horny? It is the dopamine release your after not the sexual release. You weren't horny to begin with.
On a side note the most addicting drugs effects dopamine in your brain quite strongly.
With the constant "you's", i felt a finger jabbing at my face. 🙃
Jests aside, you've just elaborated the point i made.
It's the wanting i referred to as the prerequisite of suffering. And that 'hole' the source of it.
Content people don't want thus, they don't suffer. And, i'll add, humorously, that they have poorer self-preservation skills. Life is constant strife afterall... of trying to mend what one considers broken, of trying to keep a state of contentment intact, and of trying to acquire what one thinks one lacks. And it's this constant state of wanting i mentioned earlier. And what's longing if not wanting?(or maybe it's the word usage that's confusing?)
On addiction to stimulation, i agree. It's like the opposite of buddhism's tenets, which someone mentioned.
This is that kind of topic that the deeper one digs, the wider and deeper one realises it goes. I'd say we've likely just scratched the surface.
Now my side note🤸♂️, without suffering and pain, the joy or elation that comes after a struggle would have no value.
I very much agree with you. Same thing different angle then?
Aye. But being agreed with makes me itch to take the opposing stance. Heh. Jokie jokie.
counter points are always welcomed.I like breaking things down to get to the heart/root of things. Best way to do that is well breaking it down.
Besides what survives scrutiny is more likely to have the most truth in it.
So long as it is constructive, fire away!😁
i was mostly joking. and not really in the mood.
but if every & anything was to truly be scrutinized, the end result would be that everything known is just another human opinion. hence, easily classified as bullshit.
but ourselves being humans, that can be denied.
true biased is a issue as well as the natural limitations of humans and our biology. Etc like the fact we only see a small range of the color spectrum. That really matters because there is a direct corolation between the color and energy.
If you think about it talking, about it and looking at it from different perspectives does cut down on bias. I would point out the scientific method with strong pier review requirements helps. Just a real discussion like you see in the video leads to very interesting revelations. Part 2 attributes a lot of mental disorders from a lack of a sense of "security" or you could say a over dependence on it.
Edit: I enjoy discovery from these rabbit role subjects. You end up in the most interesting places. I'm sure Alice would agree.
Precisely. It's the realisation that we're, in our state, incapable of grasping everything as it is in its fullness that makes trying to pointless.
But, like you said, it doesn't make it any less fun. I've noticed TP's(from MBTI) enjoy this the most. Probably the only ones. My guess is you're one as well.
And Alice sure would be thankful she met wonders and not monsters.
Correct. I test either INFP or INTP
It is not pointless. Some of the greatest discovery of our species was by accident or from asking why.
I can honestly say learning of and understanding how little we know of the complexities of reality itself only enhances its beauty. And excites me at times. Seriously I'll give you a very relatable example. Think about all the things that has to happen for your hand to move. Every muscle contraction at a certain time in a certain way, how many individual muscles are in your hand? Are YOU actually moving it or did you simply make a lightning fast request to your brain and it's doing it for you, when your not focusing specifically on doing that?
That realization leads to a very interesting question, are YOU really your body or just in the driver seat?
P.S. Alice met neither because they are both.
...meant pointless in its attempts at omniscience, not its usefulness.
most of what we call "expression of free will" is just instinct. and discussing what 'self' is and isn't would only lead to one of those debates where all agree to disagree... or close enough.
So what did Alice meet?click to expand
A large part of what we call "instinct" is biological programing. By understanding the layers of self which includes that layer, you can begin to dissociate healthy. You gain more free will over ones self
There is no true agree to disagree. When you go deep enough and have a true open mind, what you are more likely to find is ying&yang. 2 things that seem different but are the same in principle. Not agree to disagree.
Alice found neither because the creatures she found are creatures that are both wonders and monsters in their own right. A wonder you could say is something we appreciate or maybe even admire. Monster a bit more complicated.
I would question what we call monsters. To a chicken is a fox not considered a monster? Because it is not a real threat to us therefore not feared and most importantly it is known. It being known and understand removes a huge element of fear that we contribute to fear. Which is a core quality of what we consider to be monsters.
A better way of putting it. The unknown sounds at night we call monsters. When they are known though....Not saying we shouldn't be cautious to prevent being eaten though 😆
@mondar
Yes you are right about ying and yang. Heaven and hell. I did a bad job explaining myself. It's 2 polar opposites that can not be exist without the other. Either it destroys itself without the other to balance or serves no purpose without the existence of the other.
My favorite example of this is the debate with Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. Religious vs. Atheist. Both have the same objective at heart. The betterment of man. The inherent flaws in the other the other points out and acknowledges it. And uses that to justify its existence. However they do that for the other. In fact each side compensates for the core flaw of the other. If either side gets the upper hand, the core flaw becomes detrimental to a high degree. Neither side openly acknowledges that the other is needed and the existence of the other is necessary. If your saying debates like this are pointless because they go no where I would agree. They acknowledge and agree on the same principles but it takes the host to point that out.
I would purpose that in the process of getting down to that level, what they discover and agree upon and why are core truths and facts. Those discoveries make the discussion worth it. I believe if you focus and acknowledge on those things you can go beyond the impasse of ying and yang. Like the video I originally posted. They cut through the superficial to get to a single behavior based on a need for security.
What we call monsters are things we dead/fear...true. My poorly made point is again -_-
If you understand something and accept it as it is, it loses the qualities that make it a "monster" . this is why I said "most importantly it is known". What if I said a guy from the city camping and freaking over every little sound and thinks monsters. However, a guy who camps often and can identify most of the noises and doesn't project.
Think of the sea serpent snaking in and out of the water that sailers from the 1600s saw that we believe to a high degree was whale pods given the multiple descriptions from different sources, look just like a pod of whales in modern times.
I think what I'm trying to say is monsters don't exist and neither do wonders. It's the same perceived differently. When you look at things as they are without judgement you can just as easily consider a monster a wonder it it's own right. You can literally appreciate all things. Even appreciate and value death itself and ceasing to Truly fear it.
Yes you are right about ying and yang. Heaven and hell. I did a bad job explaining myself. It's 2 polar opposites that can not be exist without the other. Either it destroys itself without the other to balance or serves no purpose without the existence of the other.
My favorite example of this is the debate with Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. Religious vs. Atheist. Both have the same objective at heart. The betterment of man. The inherent flaws in the other the other points out and acknowledges it. And uses that to justify its existence. However they do that for the other. In fact each side compensates for the core flaw of the other. If either side gets the upper hand, the core flaw becomes detrimental to a high degree. Neither side openly acknowledges that the other is needed and the existence of the other is necessary. If your saying debates like this are pointless because they go no where I would agree. They acknowledge and agree on the same principles but it takes the host to point that out.
I would purpose that in the process of getting down to that level, what they discover and agree upon and why are core truths and facts. Those discoveries make the discussion worth it. I believe if you focus and acknowledge on those things you can go beyond the impasse of ying and yang. Like the video I originally posted. They cut through the superficial to get to a single behavior based on a need for security.
What we call monsters are things we dead/fear...true. My poorly made point is again -_-
If you understand something and accept it as it is, it loses the qualities that make it a "monster" . this is why I said "most importantly it is known". What if I said a guy from the city camping and freaking over every little sound and thinks monsters. However, a guy who camps often and can identify most of the noises and doesn't project.
Think of the sea serpent snaking in and out of the water that sailers from the 1600s saw that we believe to a high degree was whale pods given the multiple descriptions from different sources, look just like a pod of whales in modern times.
I think what I'm trying to say is monsters don't exist and neither do wonders. It's the same perceived differently. When you look at things as they are without judgement you can just as easily consider a monster a wonder it it's own right. You can literally appreciate all things. Even appreciate and value death itself and ceasing to Truly fear it.
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@mondar
Yes you are right about ying and yang. Heaven and hell. I did a bad job explaining myself. It's 2 polar opposites that can not be exist without the other. Either it destroys itself without the other to balance or serves no purpose without the existence of the other.
My favorite example of this is the debate with Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. Religious vs. Atheist. Both have the same objective at heart. The betterment of man. The inherent flaws in the other the other points out and acknowledges it. And uses that to justify its existence. However they do that for the other. In fact each side compensates for the core flaw of the other. If either side gets the upper hand, the core flaw becomes detrimental to a high degree. Neither side openly acknowledges that the other is needed and the existence of the other is necessary. If your saying debates like this are pointless because they go no where I would agree. They acknowledge and agree on the same principles but it takes the host to point that out.
I would purpose that in the process of getting down to that level, what they discover and agree upon and why are core truths and facts. Those discoveries make the discussion worth it. I believe if you focus and acknowledge on those things you can go beyond the impasse of ying and yang. Like the video I originally posted. They cut through the superficial to get to a single behavior based on a need for security.
What we call monsters are things we dead/fear...true. My poorly made point is again -_-
If you understand something and accept it as it is, it loses the qualities that make it a "monster" . this is why I said "most importantly it is known". What if I said a guy from the city camping and freaking over every little sound and thinks monsters. However, a guy who camps often and can identify most of the noises and doesn't project.
Think of the sea serpent snaking in and out of the water that sailers from the 1600s saw that we believe to a high degree was whale pods given the multiple descriptions from different sources, look just like a pod of whales in modern times.
I think what I'm trying to say is monsters don't exist and neither do wonders. It's the same perceived differently. When you look at things as they are without judgement you can just as easily consider a monster a wonder it it's own right. You can literally appreciate all things. Even appreciate and value death itself and ceasing to Truly fear it.
Your detailed analysis of yín/yang hit it right through the crosshairs.
I understand your meaning. That it's the mystery & uncertainty that inspires the fear... and when the illusion is dissolved, they(monsters) are seen for what they're - just things/beings being. And the emotions felt by the observer are projected... that is, it has more to do with what the phenomenon(monster, wonders and the likes) represents to this observer than what it(the phenom) is itself.
I just chuckled at the thought that if rats and humans could understand each other and rats saw these posts... the look they'd give us as we try to convince them that cats aren't terrible monsters. Maybe they already know.
Here's something curious. Perhaps we're able to discuss monstrosities so freely because our species is at the top of the food chain.click to expand
lol true. Perhaps that is the case. There maybe a way to answer that question though. Do you remember decades back about the story about the gorrilla that was taught sign language? Atm I believe that is the closest we can get to answering that question. Not in the mood right now but I think I'll look up the transcripts from her some time. They have to exist. Maybe something can be gleamed for those.
A few times in the past I heard this quote to the effect of you haven't really understood something unless you can explain it effectively to another.
Thank you.
Edit: humans are our own worst enemy. Unless we acknowledge that openly and actively work on it, we will learn that the hard way. Unfortunately that is just how it works. The consequence are unavoidable without conscious intervention.
Suffering could be fear and loathing for a life you didn't want. A body you didn't ask for. A biological imperialism you don't care to uphold and situations you want nothing more to escape. It could be listening to all the little thoughts whizzing around in your brain, all the playback of stupid things you shouldn't have done and romanticized musings of things you could've done. Places you could've have gone. Suffering could be the fear of some airborne disease and who it'll take today or tomorrow. The hatred of others who can be so selfish as to go outside despite the authorities telling you not to do so. Suffering could be the feeling of pain of watching what you love disintegrate in front of your very eyes and to feel helpless as to how to help them or ease their pain. Suffering could be the awareness of drowning further and deeper into the depths never knowing what lie there of what will happen. Suffering could be living and loving within an temporary world. Residing in a temporary body interacting with loved ones who will come and go. Suffering could be art and creation or love and happiness.
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In time, all of us will be gone physically.
But maybe in time, some could be called back
to visit, tugged by a psychic medium maybe.
If you can change form and influence others
with energy if you came back among the
physical, to share information,
Wh
Are you happy?
It seems pretty basic when spoke out loud. Butttttttt.
Go to that spot in your mind.......you know the one....... When it's just you and you've escaped to your 'head couch' and that zen moment happens when truth comes out.......
Are you
I was asked to hold my grandfather's casket...
My grandfather, my father's father, was a Pisces sun that did not like me. He blocked me from Facebook when he realized I was not Christian like him.
And now I'm supposed to hold him?
Send him home ?
I was listening to a video of a psychology discussion on YouTube from the 80s. The first question was about what is consciousness. That lead to the cause of disorders. The psychologist purposes that it's suffering caused by selfishness and eggotism. The q
I was raised in a region that is mostly Christian with a good dose of exponentially-increasing atheism. However, general spiritual topics and practices are now on the rise in today's society. I never really practiced Christianity other than my mother givi
I’ve met some interesting people on my most recent trip in the Mediterranean area. Probably the most interesting person was this guy who was born in Egypt but raised and educated in Cadiz, Spain. He is an archeologist and he had this light aura about him
Which one do you believe in?
Something has been weighing heavily on my mind lately. If we truly have free will, how come some people are born with (predestined) certain talents or great beauty or huge inheritance?
I know people who pretty much didn’t ha
Sometimes, towards the natural ending of situationships, relationships or other drawn-out happenings where two people have spent quite a bit of time together and shared a lot of emotions, it can be difficult to break free, especially when a person is
There was a time when a huge wasp came into
my house. This might have been last year?
It was down stairs and for some reason
I dropped into fear. I don't normally drop
into fear as quickly with insects. I think
maybe the ones that fly, being that they
I could have asked chat-gpt-AI, but I’d much rather ask you my dxp lovelies 😛
Share your thoughts and experiences, please.
A very spiritual fire sign male has got me into thinking about this recently and I’m beyond grateful. I think it’s life changing
I have been practicing trance channeling since last year.
It's a long story but it started last summer
-as jupiter came into my second house.
Trance channeling is basically a way for me (the channel) to change
and influence his or her brainwaves to be i
I’ve read an interesting post on another forum about life purpose. Hollywood movies would have us believe that it has to be some grand story such as becoming famous, successful or finding one true love of your life.
But how about something mundane? How a
1. Please post a number 1 through 10.
(How you are feeling)
1 being linked to deep sadness 😥
10 being linked to joy or happiness 😊
2. Describe with one word, what is on your mind.
3. Post a song that is linked to how you feel.
I won't bother here mos
People forget that they are souls in bodies. They get so caught up in themselves, in their egos and feelings (Sun & Moon), and in their thoughts, sexuality, creativity, and desires (Mercury, Venus & Mars). But beyond the personal inner planets lie
This thread is inspired by @Soul who says he’s started to pray.
I couldn’t manage without my faith in God/a higher power/angels. I’m not into religion but
am strongly spiritual and pray daily.
Being raised by a very religious mother and nonvbelieve
The topic of the video is what is the origin of psychological disorders? Isn't the origin actually yourself? It dives pretty deep on the subject of the human condition.
10 minutes in and the scientists said something that was fundamentally wrong to me. They view struggle in life as chaos and disorder. Another words wrong.
My view on this is: Struggle is not a disorder in the universe. It's a mechanic that is meant to cause growth and evolution. Suffering is caused when you reject struggle by fight against it or succumb to it(give up). Instead of working with it.
Ride the wave don't fight against it.
I'm curious on everyone else's point of view on this. Just listen to the first 10 minutes so we are on the same page. If you are not up for that, say you didn't listen and give your opinion.
Video: