Help Explain the Unexplainable Taurus

Six months ago, my Taurus boyfriend and I agreed to break up after a 3-year relationship. We had an incredible connection and fell for each other HARD. I think it scared him how much he cared for me. At the time, I lived in Ohio and he lived in California. He grew so distraught at the idea of having to leave me that his hair began to fall out from all the stress. He decided to move back to Ohio to be closer to me. I loved him so much because of his typical Taurean traits. He was unquestionably loyal, stable, reliable, protective, caring and much deeper than he appeared on the surface. We would usually argue due to caring about each other TOO much. I secretly loved how protective he was of me. In the last 6 months of our relationship things started to change. He started to pull away from me emotionally and became cold and distant. The more I tried to ask him what was wrong the worse he got. I began to feel our relationship crumbling so I began to cling to him (my mistake). I noticed he started hanging out with a new crowd. I became super jealous and suspicious. I felt that I was putting in more work than he was. He became apathetic towards everything in his life, including me. He told me he was no longer the same person, yet he refused to break up. Eventually I called him demanding that we make a decision and we agreed to break up. I never wanted to lose him but I felt that I had no option. I feared that I was holding onto something or someone who was dead.

Here's where it gets weird. Both during and after the break-up he had erratic behavior. Someone who is usually VERY materialistic started to sell all his prized possessions. He sold his new flat screen TV, record collection, movie collection, furniture and iPhone. He even sold his bed and slept on a mattress pad on a hardwood floor. He stopped eating meat and using the internet. He referred to himself as a "minimalist." He got arrested for fighting and had little to no money (which I know bothered him because I always made more $ .) Two weeks post break-up he randomly took time off work to spend 10 days in Cali, even though he hadn't been back to visit in 2 1/2 years. When he returned his minimalist ways subsided and he started using the internet again. He actively used social media to display his new found friendship with people he used to make fun of while we were dating. He hung around guys and girls much younger than him. He is 27 and some of them were as young as 16 (creepy)

He often openly flirted with other girls and it killed me to see. I initiated no contact immediately after the break up, yet it was hard for me to look away. We NEVER agreed to be friends or make it "work" or be civil after the break up. We just ended it cold, without much of an explanation or any real answers.

Anyway, in the six months that we have been apart he has consistently contacted me. I ignored him at first but eventually started to respond. At one point he contacted me everyday for a month. I would usually go in and out of random mood swings of being angry and cold because of the lack of closure from the break up. This would lead to me ignoring him and us not talking for about a week??_.but he always contacted me again. The attraction was still there. We often talked about sex (which is how we always resolved arguments) and inquired whether the other person was dating or not. He always "likes" or "retweets" anything I post about having baby fever or wanting to have a child??_i know he gets excited about the idea of being a father. He would sometimes refer to the past and the good times we shared. At one point we both confessed that we will always love each other and that "that was never the problem" in our relationship. He was still protective of me and questioned any guy he saw in pictures. He would always text me randomly to let me know what was going on in his life and ask about mine. He told me he was moving back to California in October because his job was transferring. This surprised me because he owned a local one-year old business in Ohio that he basically abandoned by moving to Cali. He was very passionate about it while we were together. He also left his two cats behind, which he had once referred to as his "best friends."

So we met up before he left town after not seeing each other for 4 months. We had sex and it felt so natural to be with him again. I made sure to take the sex at face value. I probably appeared cold to him because I tried not to cuddle or show too much emotion. However, he was very affectionate with me. He held me close, kissed my forehead, and held my hand. He even behaved this way in front of one of his friends. I hugged him goodbye and wished him luck with his move. After I left he texted me and said "I miss you. I am still the same person. I am still running away from all of my problems." We still talk pretty consistently since he has been living out there but I still notice he flirts with other girls online

I have done the same with other guys, but my jealousy is so strong when I see him do it. I still care for him so much and I really don't see myself with anyone else. Other guys are just a means of temporally taking my mind off of my ex. He just told me last night that he is not dating anyone.

So please help me figure this one out. Is this sudden change in an unchangeable taurus normal? Did he go insane? Did I go insane? Or maybe he just fell out of love with me. Any advice or insight helps.

Sounds as if he's having some kind of mid life crisis, men in there 20's and 30's also are experiencing quarter life crisis's as well. Some kind of mental illness may be rearing it's ugly head such as some kind of personality disorder, bipolar disorder, depression, for example a friend of mine, very handsome, well adjusted when he's stable ie on meds due to his Bipolar disorder suddenly veered off track and began to behave in an unreal way, he bought a couple of cars--Hummers to be exact, he was doing odd things like moving into new friendships quickly, spending loads of money, he was admitted into a psychiatric hospital, he's now stable but to stick with your issue there could be some form of this going on with him, change (losing a lover) (moving to a new job) can trigger him and love can trigger him as well, depression can move people to do drastic life style changes.

What sticks out for me is the personality change--that indicates some type of personality disorder and/or mental illness going on or depression. A stable man typically won't move into being unstable the way he did unless drugs are involved which I doubt and/or he had some kind of mental break, only you can know for certain because you hung around him the most before the break up, lastly maybe he's just finding himself (attempting too find himself). I have to agree with you, hanging around 16 year old teenagers is creepy as well and can be trouble for him. To be clear, I'm not diagnosing, I'm throwing it out there and maybe you'll read something you can identify with.

Suggestion, sit down and do a timeline of what was going on for the both of you when you noticed his personality changing, maybe there was something that triggered him into running away from his life, I noticed you talked about babies and that could have been a big factor in him becoming apathetic towards you, he may want babies some day but he may not be ready for that if he's hanging around kids---living his life through kids. He's not ready and he could want a baby of his own but his behavior says "I'm not ready".

I didn't offer much solace but I'm sure there is something that triggered him to change his whole entire life. I can't see why a healthy stable man would suddenly turn unstable, some part of the story is missing.

Hi Tiki, thanks for the reply. He does not drink or do drugs. I do agree that this could be the result of a quarter-life crisis, which I have heard him refer to before. You actually have offered me solace because I was able to pinpoint when I noticed the emotional distance and personality changes. It was last fall when he was starting a new business. working constantly and most importantly...when he got arrested. He was charged with assault after getting into a fist fight. I have always been strongly against him fighting and he tried to hide the arrest from me. I found out eventually. The legal fees/lawyer ended up costing him close to 4 grand which also caused financial stress. I loaned him a bit of money to help pay for it, aside from my extreme disappointment. In some ways I believe he felt like a failure because of his instability, which made him push me away.

Hopefully he wasn't in jail long, I've heard of a few stories, one particular were the guy was so petrified after being in jail he was never the same person, I can only assume jail can be a horrific terrible place especially for a guy that's not a hardened criminal, still doesn't explain the connection with the 16 year old's, one flimsy explanation is that he feels safe with teenagers and can better control his anger/temper around them which is a just a guess on my part.

Do you happen to know what the fight was about? Was he the instigator in the fight? This could explain a lot regarding what's going on with him.

Without me knowing more details it's fair to say you can't really blame yourself and the only reason why I'm saying this to you is because of his extreme personality change over a matter of months which isn't normal behavior. I'm not saying you didn't play a part in the break up but I'm saying it's very limiting to blame yourself for what went on with him, although helping a man can feel quite emasculating, it may be more about him being unhappy with himself and if he's unhappy with himself and unhappy with the life he's created then I can see why drastic changes on his part could happen.

I believe his reaching out to you was his way of trying to say to you it wasn't your fault, although he changed his life/personality there was still a part of him that he chose not to destroy/rid himself of his feelings for you but it's really unfair that he's straddling the fence by holding onto you while he's doing his own thing, it's really up to you in regards to possibly shutting the door and giving yourself some space or choosing to patiently bide your time to see if the tide will turn in your direction some day.

Just so you know it's common that a man will not let go of a expired relationship when he's alone, no special woman to fill the void of a break well the typical reaction to that is to go back to where it's safe and familiar but what happens is you remain emotionally/mentally tied to an unavailable man that broke up with you which is a very limiting position to be in.

Do what you think and feel is in your own best interest, don't worry about him and his feelings b/c he's made his choice and he has to live with HIS choice to change his whole life, let his relationship go and live in a new city.

Technically he went to jail, but only for a few hours until his bond was paid. I had a hard time getting details about the fight but from what he told me he was at a bar with his friends when a local older guy started instigating a fight with one of my ex's friends. My ex came to his defense and knocked him out cold and ended up sending him to the hospital. He claimed he walked out of the bar right after, leaving the scene. Two weeks later the guy he got into a fight with pressed charges against him and had a warrant out for his arrest. The cops came looking for him at his work and his home. He actually turned himself in to the police station only to be free on bond in a couple hours. Whether or not this is the whole story, I do not know. At the time of this arrest I was working most nights and weekends so I did not have a lot of time to see him, although we stayed in constant contact (we have always had a long distance relationship). My absence maybe caused me to miss warning signs of his changing behavior. In the end, I chose to support him through is troubles and was by his side. However, it seemed like the more time I tried to spend with him and the more I tired to work on making us stronger, the more he pulled away. He used to beg me to spend time with him and by the end I felt like I wasn't even welcome in his presence. I knew that the person he became was not the real him, and I told him that many times. He had no explanation for his change in behavior only that he was different now.

As for hanging out with a younger crowd, I believe he does this for ego reasons. I'm not sure if this is a Taurus thing or not but people have always seemed to look up to him, even worship him. He always had younger male friends because he likes to skateboard (and owns a local skate shop) and it is a relatively young sport. When he were dating he considered himself a mentor to younger kids, which I always thought was a positive influence. However, when we things went downhill I noticed him hanging around the friends of his "mentees," girls included. He was far too old to be going to high school parties and hanging out at the mall but he suddenly started doing it. It was quite hard for me to wrap my mind around post-breakup because it was so creepy and weird to me. It disgusted me in a way and the idea would have disgusted him too if he was in the same mindset as his was 6 months prior! Anyway, I think these people look up to him and think he's cool.

Hi TauruSaurus. His personality and behavior is quite complex, which is why I generalized it as "unexplainable." However, I am really just seeking a deeper understanding of his actions and more importantly his feelings. I do agree that this fight was personal to him and I am beginning to realize that it had a profound affect on both him and our relationship. I find your theory of light vs dark bulls very intriguing. He was definitely a dark bull at times, yet during the majority of the relationship I was exposed to a very different emotional and caring side of him. (Could it be his cancer moon?)

During the break-up I tried to explain that I gave him all the love and support I possibly could but I felt that I could not get through to him. I felt as though I was talking to a brick wall. He claimed to "not be the same person" anymore so I simply had to cut my losses and accept what he was telling me and agree to separate even though I was heartbroken.

My question now is can dark bulls turn into light bulls or vice versa? Is there any astrological explanation for a behavior change in a bull who has always loved stability and been dedicated to their relationship? I still care deeply for him and just want to find a way to talk to him again like we used to but I can't get past his stubborness. Do you as a Taurus ever forget about a true love?

Wow. Not the astrological explanation I was expecting but it makes sense! Even Tony Montana had a heart beneath that tough exterior....exactly why bulls are such intense and lovable people

CancerCrab I'm just throwing this out there and you take it with a grain of salt but I have a gut feeling this fight was over a female which is why it's hardly discussed with you, the guilt you speak of can most likely be attributed to the fact that if you knew why he really went through all this trouble for another female and he allowed you to help him post bail well that's just down right shameful behavior on his part, I can see him feeling quite guilty over his deception, having you jump through a few hoops when realistically you would have allowed him to sit his ass in jail and let other people stress over him.

Since your relationship was predominantly long distance, there is a chance that he played a part with you and at some point abandoned the persona he created and opted to be his real self which of course can be very confusing for you and rightfully so, you knew him as the person he presented to you, no reason to doubt that's who he truly is/was but then you find it was all a front, he was most likely not the person he presented himself to be and lost interest in the relationship all together, this is common actually, there are people that want to escape who they are and be somebody else and just maybe for 3 years you gave him the opportunity to do that but being that a person can only maintain that kind of persona for a short time he eventually caved in and opted to either be his real self or chose to shift into another mode of escapism by now being like an immature 16 year old teenager. Follow me?

My point being is this, he for whatever reason chose to be what you needed/wanted/expected him to be and for whatever reason he no longer wants to play that part/side of himself, he's bored with it, done with it for the time being and/or maybe forever, he's created a new persona, one you can't relate to, doesn't mean he doesn't care about you, have feelings for you but his objective is to move into his new persona and stick with that thus he can no longer be the guy you know anymore because that person no longer truly exist, he can shift into that personality to appease you and to connect with you but he can't live there in that place 24/7.

Weirdly enough he is an emotional, loving, caring man but that person--that side of himself is no longer active--not active meaning a daily part of his every day persona, he's choosing to live permanently in what some would call his dark sided self, he's more comfortable being there for whatever reason, maybe he's seeking to balance the scales of his personality by exploring that side of himself, there is no real answer that I'm aware of that can explain why he no longer desires to be the man you knew, he definitely appear to be complex and it will take more than a conversation to figure it all out.

The teenage thing isn't necessarily creepy IMHO but it is inappropriate to spend a significant amount of time with teenage kids and can lead into inappropriate behavior if he continues but I'm sure he know this already, it's his life and he'll have to deal with the consequences if/when something comes up.

Ok, this video makes a little more sense. I do feel like that was how my Taurus acted on the outside. He didn't drink or smoke. He has always had a propensity towards violence, long before he met me. He became infamous for his ability to knock someone out with one punch. People actually looked up to him as if this was a positive trait. They liked having a "bad guy" around to have their back to do what they couldn't do. He had an "alter ego" "nick name that some people referred to him as (I won't list it in case someone does a google search and finds this lol). These people knew him on an artificical level, so it's probably easier for him to maintain that image among them. To me he was never his alter ego, only the genuine person I saw him as. We connected on a different level and his exterior was far different from his interior (or so he told me and so I believed).

He liked fighting because he was good at it. When I met him I never accepted the violence, i strongly disliked it so he promised both me and his mother he would stop fighting for our sakes. That doesn't mean he stopped, that just means he didn't let us find out about it...until he got arrested. It could be a possibility that this fight was over another girl, I cannot rule out any possibilities. However, because his propensity towards violence was always an issue for us, I assumed it was another dumb fight he always found himself in. He hid his arrest from both me and his parents for the longest time until I found out through an email. We were both extremely dissappointed.

To be honest there's just so many layers to this person it's hard for me to wrap my head around, so I'm sure you all have difficulty as well haha. In the end you are right, his "alter ego" or whoever he's chosen to become has taken over. The sad thing is that I know it's not what he really wants out of life...I can see right through him. Despite how bad/crazy I've made him sound he really is a good person :/

Also your situation reminds of the music artist Chris Brown (Taurus), he was seemingly a great boyfriend to Rihanna for about 2 years and then he FLIPPED out on her and beat her up.

Chris had the kind of persona that appeared he was a really loving, kind, gentle, angelic, sweetheart kind of guy but if you have time to research a little bit of his career and go back to his pre-bad boy days you'll notice a huge transformation from the sweet angelic wide eyed innocent guy with the healthy body frame to the gaunt drugged out emaciated look he has today.

The old Chris Brown is pretty much buried under all the tattoo's and bad boy behavior, no one really knows why he changed so drastically, I know the whole abusing Rihanna thing set it off in the public but the bad boy image was not the image Chris was selling to the public originally, he EVOLVED publicly into what he is today through certain circumstances and the old Chris isn't coming back anytime soon.

He went from good guy to bad guy all in matter of a few years, now this new Chris Brown is indescribable, hardly recognizable with all the tattoo's, hair dying, drugged out eyes and weight loss, my point being this seems to be common behavior with certain types of Taurus males.

Funny you say that. I've followed their relationship after finding out Chris Brown was a Taurus. There's definitely a lot of similarities aside from him ever abusing me or any other female. But my ex is covered in tattoos haha. He kind of always had this persona before I met him. His family, friends and himself always said I kind of turned his world upside down. I was the girl he settled down for...temporarily. He's back to his persona and this time with even more strange, possible mentally unstable behavior. I've always been drawn to his dark energy, but the other part of me I guess just loved getting the good from a really "bad" guy.

Call me RiRi haha FML

It's all very interesting and kind of weird too, I don't know many people that play with the dark side of life but maybe Rihanna know the real Chris, the pre-bad boy Chris and she too like you Cancercrab " loved getting the good from a really "bad" guy."

I think the image he has today was always him but he hid it behind the good boy persona, guess the whole Rihanna episode forced him out and there is now way he can go back to the innocent wide eyed innocent persona he used to have. Seems the abuse and anger and heavy possession/control over one another has turned them both out.

Maybe your guy did you a big favor not bringing you with him over to the dark side in the guise of love, we see what it's done to Rihanna, she about lost her damn mind over this guy, I think she's having an awakening, it's slow but his grip over her is slipping because he won't ever play the part he used to play pre-date the ass whooping she took from him so at some point she's going to have to get seriously realistic and move the hell on but that won't happen over night when she's sharing the same kind of dark energy with him, the bond is too strong, only a miracle will pull these 2 dark hearts apart.

I think Chris just had a lot of pent up anger from his past/childhood. I have a female Taurus cousin who had to fight her mothers ex husband off of her mother and brothers. This happened years ago but she is VERY much still effected by it. Hardened by it actually. One thing I notice about fixed signs is they literally relive situations, so I think a lot of that anger resurfaced and he turned into the person he hated growing up, and possibly viewed Rihanna as his mom, as Im sure theres resentment, possibly still, towards his mom for even dealing with an abusive man and raising him in that environment. That stuff damages many, and a sensitive fixed Bull probably worse. He snapped, lost complete control, and it most likely went way beyond Rihanna, she was just who he took it all out on.

Both are dependent to eachother thru that situation. In her mind, she could view that as like a theuroputic form of control, power to make him snap and release. Thats why some people push earth signs, so they can be the one to get a reaction not fully aware of whats underneath. Hes dependent because through it all she still loves him, acceptance in his mind, and shes that outlet. Possible control in his mind as well.

Chris had a temper though, visible even watching his Punkd episode. If some earth signs didnt develop something to smooth the edges, we'd hardly be liked by anyone. Something about Will Smith, and his persona, puts me in mind of this. I think hes the biggest nice guy phony on tv for some reason.

LOL@ Something about Will Smith, and his persona, puts me in mind of this. I think hes the biggest nice guy phony on tv for some reason.

Had no idea Will Smith astrological sign is Taurus, well the story is, when Vivian (the original Viv--dark skin, talented, beautiful played by Karyn Parsons) was booted from the show it was because Will wanted her to kiss his ass all the time, everyone sort of tapped dance around his bullish bullying/comedic ways on the set. She refused to do any of it so he sabotaged her career even after he had her fired from the show, of course years later he finally apologized and I can tell he meant his apology, admitted he was wrong but something tells me you're on to something Inana.

No.. Will Smith is a LIBRA. (September 25th, 1968) and what he pulled on "Aunt Viv" was a total jerk move. I've been stood up by a Libra before in the past. I now, avoid them ALL romantically.

But Aside from that...Alot of GREAT points here. I LOVE me some TONY Montoya..Take a GOOD look, You'll NEVER see a Bad guy like THIS again"... SWAG.

Chris Brown/Rihanna.. is like a Romeo/Juliet story.."THEM -vs.- The World"..they depend on each other. But like Tiki said..the grip is slipping (Rihanna's grip). I Believe they both have evolved in their own way..Chris definitely was the cutesy clean cut taurus who's darkside took over after the world/media done a GREAT job to vilify him to no end, so he decided to STICK with the image and grew into it (tatts, weed, endless partying..etc) ..while Rhianna seemingly is the ONLY person that "GETS him", his beacon of light with whom he can enter and share the "GOOD space" with. "SHINE BRIGHT LIKE A DIAMOND"... because what they share is "Pure."..and the world will just NEVER understand.

"YOU and I ...YOU and I...we're like Diamonds in the SKY.."

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Chris is an abuser not one doubt about that, an abuser will shift from physical to mental and emotional if the price is too big to pay for physical violence, he definitely has some issues, maybe he's not a woman beater but he's a verbal abuser for sure, that side of him comes out when he feels attacked, he really know how to lay in on females in a terrible way. I still believe Rihanna suffers from PTSD and Stockholme syndrome, she is still being devalued in a way that she is running behind Chris to win his approval, it's maddening but it's her life.

I mentioned Will because of the persona talk. Imho, he is someone that "puts on." I know he is a Libra. Im not comparing him to Chris or saying he is capable of that, Im just saying I dont believe he's as nice as he is portrayed. Never have. I dont fool with Libra males either. All it took was ONE and Im forever done with the males of that sign.

Chris never struck me as a nice guy. He just seemed like a normal kid. Not sweet, not bad, but normal with a normal image for an rnb singer his age. Im not sure what he's doing now.

He's an abuser, I know a lot of women can't help but love the guy, abusers are some of the most charming men out there but they will use every opportunity to abuse, I have no doubt in my mind he abused his ex Karrueche but he wasn't stupid, he picked her for a particular reason and plus she's devoutly loyal, she won't tell no matter what's going on in the background, like Rihanna she's under his spell and she's not going anywhere, being that he's an abuser that's fine by him, abusers will not let there groomed targets go easily, I have no doubt Chris was still mindfucking Rihanna behind the scenes thus the whole Oprah interview solidified her allegiance to Chris.

Some women will over look a mans abusive tendencies b/c of financial reasons and on some level she's been trained to accept abuse way before the abuser surfaces into her life, groomed to tolerate certain levels of abuse, this wasn't his first time hitting Rihanna, there was another incident that was not reported.

If a person abuses more than once he's considered an abuser, it's the women that are hard pressed to be convinced because so many women have been introduced to abuse early in life so those women are trained to tolerate abuse which is why it's so hard to convince women like Rihanna to leave, maybe getting verbally cussed out, slapped, hit, lied to is normal for her, some women have there own ideas about what's actually considered abuse thus if he's slapping her, choking her may not a big deal. In Rihanna's case her dad abused her mom for years so to Rihanna that may be normal for a man to cause her pain, for her that may look like to her which makes it easier for Chris to abuse her be it emotionally, mentally and/or physically, too many women willing to look the other way because she's formed a trauma bond with her abuser.

Inana you have good instincts, there is something out there about Will beating a guy up really really bad, went to jail for it, plus he's from Philly and people in Philly don't play, will crack that head to the white meat.

that may look like love to her

Posted by SweetLibra
I have a hard time labeling Chris as an abuser at this point. I would say he's a jerk and a young punk for sure. His mother set a poor example of how women should be valued or respected by staying in a violent relationship for sure. But disrespect of women is everywhere in the hip hop community. Chris is not the first and won't be the last in that genre. I have seen relationships like Chris and Rihanna's play out over and over again in the urban community. It was a toxic relationship. She's a mess and so is he. Two messy people together dont mix. The two of them had had heated incidents before the one that got mass media coverage. And apparently Rihanna was the aggressor in a lot of them. Please don't think that I don't see anything wrong with what Chris did to Rihanna, I do. But women are going to have to learn to stop stepping to men like you are men. Putting your hands on a man is a bad idea. And the consequences can be severe.

They are definitely not good for each other. Think Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown, Madonna and Sean Penn. Yes Chris has a background that lends to his propensity for domestic violence but so does Rihanna...Rihanna could have any man in the world. Why is she running after Chris? She knows he's not the bad guy he's been made to look like. I think she carries some guilt about that because she knows that they both used to fight each other and that's what happened that night. She went on national tv proclaiming how she still loves him. Why? Because she knew that would get to his head and the two have been back on every since. Don't underestimate Rihanna's role in this whole mess. The girl is no punk and she's very manipulative. It's toxicity at its best. The two of them will never be able to have a healthy relationship.

wheeeew CHIIIILE +1! You SAID it! I agree.. they are each others vices. Riri is a Pisces..they are MASTER manipulators..But yes Young, Wild & Free...describes those two pefectly. I don't believe Chris hit her intentionally, but being a West Indian woman, like, Rihanna, the women CAN and WILL provoke a man to no end. Some will hit, spit on, slap a man..etc.. I'll admit, My hands have been "rather loose" in my younger days.. I think he just snapped that night. Yes being physical is wrong from all sides. That just goes to show that everyone has a breaking point.

Posted by lnana04
I mentioned Will because of the persona talk. Imho, he is someone that "puts on." I know he is a Libra. Im not comparing him to Chris or saying he is capable of that, Im just saying I dont believe he's as nice as he is portrayed. Never have. I dont fool with Libra males either. All it took was ONE and Im forever done with the males of that sign.

Chris never struck me as a nice guy. He just seemed like a normal kid. Not sweet, not bad, but normal with a normal image for an rnb singer his age. Im not sure what he's doing now.

ooh ok..I gotcha..

Take another look at her beat face including the bite marks, that was very intentional and to top it off Chris went water skiing the day after whooping her ass, I'm not trying to put Chris in a bad light, just facts, he had no marks on him and he's a man, a strong young man, she got her ass beat down that night. Who provoked? Most likely Rihanna but there is no reason for a man to whoop a female that way unless his life is in direct danger, plus he threatened her life, she literally thought she was going to die, he did say he was going to kill her several times so I don't see how that couldn't be intentional.

Although I'm aware West Indian women per my understanding are strong willed and will fight/stand up for themselves, Rihanna lost that fight that night and her upper lip is still messed up with a scar over the beat down, not good.

@Tiki33- yes..beatings of that severity will always be uncalled for. yet I digress.

Posted by robyn808
I don't even understand what Chris Brown and Al Pacino have to do with this girls problems, but these answers are a serious mess.

we seriously derailed that what happened.. My apologies..

The topic definitely digressed...but I don't mind and I appreciate everyone's input concerning the original topic. It turned into an interesting discussion and in a weird way, it makes me realize that my problems aren't half as bad as some of the messed up celebrities of the world! lol

Yes totally derailed, my fault for bringing up Chris Brown sans the beating, but I believe he's relevant to her story regarding the personality change CancerCrab's Taurus ex is now dealing with , I'm sure she can relate to that part of the story regarding how dark some Taurus males which is why Al Pacino came into the equation as well from TaurusSaurus and Robyn read the whole thread before devaluing the responses from the people attempting to help CancerCrab understand her situation with her Tauruses personality change, no ones responses were hot messes, just a conversation/communication between adults.

Posted by cancercrab717
The topic definitely digressed...but I don't mind and I appreciate everyone's input concerning the original topic. It turned into an interesting discussion and in a weird way, it makes me realize that my problems aren't half as bad as some of the messed up celebrities of the world! lol

@it makes me realize that my problems aren't half as bad as some of the messed up celebrities of the world!

LOL so true but my apologies again for bringing up the Taurus Chris Brown, he's a hot topic right now so I should have know better.

No apologies needed! Everyone's opinions and inputs help! I love the Chris Brown topic. We should start a new thread for it since everyone has strong views on their relationship.