How can virgo males be masculine

how can virgo males be masculine when its a feminine sign after researching and being on many blogs every female that been with virgo men say we are feminine lmao.

i think its easier to express your energy if ur born into a masculine sign being a man and a woman born a feminine sign the energies imo are easily expressed with no problems.


now in asotogy masculine represents force, power, fire and life.

feminine represents female energy being secretive internal energy and spirit.


now i keep reading virgos is the most feminine sign by astrologers in people who kno virgos in real life.

they said men also born into feminine signs have lots of problems then men that are born into masculine signs.

now i will post something from a site i found and since started researching in depth.

all opinions are welcome.

As we study the charts of significant people in our lives, we endeavor to take into account every relevant astrological datum. Often while exploring this forest of details, we overlook one generality that has more of an impact than many suspect. Few authors and teachers, as far as I can see, take time to consider the gender of the person in the chart. I hear "lay people" make such statements as "I get along better with female Sagittarians better than I do with male ones". In the gender-based system of astrology that I call Equilibrium Training, the balance of gender energy in the chart directly affects the way the chart is read. It was while on this road that I encountered the phenomenon about which this article is written; males with a preponderance of feminine energy in their birth charts.


These men have charts where the feminine signs, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces, are heavily represented, and most especially when the Sun is placed there. Secondarily, the Sun or several planets in the feminine houses, the Second, the Fourth, the Sixth, the Eighth, the Tenth or the Twelfth can also be considered feminine charts. This is not to be confused with the opposite scenario of masculine males with Mars or the Ascendant in feminine signs that like to be thought of as feminine males. That is a different situation altogether. These feminine male wannabees (sorry, Tem) often come across as feminine, yet when it is necessary or when their guard is down, have no problem reverting to their naturally masculine selves.


(While I am defining terms here let me also say that for the purposes of this article, when I speak of masculine energy I speak of individuation. When I speak of feminine energy, I speak of universalization.)


In our world, males are expected to be masculine, acting to distinguish themselves. If that process means vanquishing others, so be it. Females are expected to be feminine, acting to establish cooperation and bonding through awareness of and sensitivity to the needs of others. If that process means ignoring her own needs, so be it. Notwithstanding our New Age sensibilities where males are supposed to get in touch with their feminine sides and females are trying to be more masculine, evidence shows that something buried in the collective psyche forces males and females to come to deal with their traditional roles either consciously or not.

This phenomenon is most traumatic for males born with the Sun in one of the six feminine signs. Since life in this dimension is characterized as The One individualized into the many, simply being an individual is a masculine process. For males and females, masculine energy is an expression of concern with self. The Sun represents our natural and spontaneous expression of masculine energy. Since masculinity is a prerequisite for life on earth, masculine females are not in the same boat, although they have their own set of peculiar circumstances. For males, the Sun in the chart takes on a special meaning, since males, by definition, are masculine energy personified.


Any masculine planet in a feminine sign is, in effect, in its detriment. If that planet is the Sun and the chart in question belongs to a male, serious contradictions arise. These males and all feminine males must face the fact that they care a lot about the feelings of others. I hesitate to say they care too much because some males are at peace with this sensitivity. However, some of them, especially those with Mars or the Ascendant in one of the six masculine signs struggle with their masculine/feminine mixture. In those cases, the man admires masculine energy and aspires to be (Mars) or at least appears to be (Ascendant) more masculine than he naturally is. These reluctantly feminine males (this writer included) are, at least in theory, potentially dangerous because of their need to prove that they are not hamstrung by their fear of what others may think of what they do. My observation is that there is a period, usually starting in the mid to late teens where reluctantly feminine males go "wild", tending toward excesses that "out-masculine" the most masculine of males. Although my resources preclude such research, I would not be surprised if these reluctantly feminine males aren't disproportionately represented in cases of excessive violence, especially toward females. (O.J. Simpson is a Cancer with Mars in Gemini).


I specify violence against females because feminine males have a peculiar relationship with females and feminine energy in general. Unlike their more masculine counterparts, feminine males are intimately and subjectively familiar with feminine energy. Feminine children know instinctively that learning what others in their environment are thinking or feeling gives them some control over what happens in their environment.

(Masculine children, especially boys, are more inclined to see life from their own perspective as the center of the universe.) Resignedly feminine children become resignedly feminine adults often, living their lives by finding out what people want and strategically giving or withholding it. Reluctantly feminine children watch masculine children moving through life with what appears to them to be grace and freedom from the tyranny of public opinion. Sooner (i.e., when the masculine planets Jupiter or Uranus aspect Mars) or later (i.e., when the feminine planets Saturn and Neptune aspect Mars), the reluctant feminine child rebels. (Venus comes into play as well with the reluctant feminine female.) But the reluctantly feminine female is still female: feminine energy personified. Even in her rebellion, she is likely to retain some of the caution associated with an awareness of the responsibility that stems from the control that is inherent in feminine energy. Reluctant feminine males have no such social, biological, spiritual restraints. Instead, society, their bodies, and their spiritual role as a member of the group that incarnate as males is to be masculine and restraint be damned. This rebellion against feminine energy may take the shape of violence against other feminine people, specifically feminine energy manifest: females.


Conversely, an argument could be made that the resignedly feminine male could be more violent. He could be jealous of the fact that females as a rule use their feminine energy with ease and social acceptability. They may hate the fact that they are often the controllee when they would rather be the controller, sensitive as they are to the whims of others. Even though these males may have more respect for feminine energy, the line between respect and fear is often paper thin. One could also postulate that the reluctantly feminine male in his flight from feeling would never let a female "get to him" and, therefore, eschew violence to females and the feminine people as proof to himself that he is indeed masculine. At any rate, I believe that feminine males have to settle their relationship to femininity. With the exception of those that are reluctant, masculine men aren't as interested in settling their relationship to femininity. Their role is to concentrate on the relationship with themselves; charged as they are with discovering what makes them unique and expressing that.

People, male or female, that are perceived as a threat to that may feel their wrath physical or otherwise, but this is different from the violence of the feminine male.


Maturity for the feminine male comes when he makes peace with the fact that he cares and is therefore affected by what other people think. If he does have a masculine Mars or Ascendant, he may have to learn to accommodate his periodic desire to experience masculinity in more conventional ways. His advantage is that he knows that he has to. The male that is resigned to his femininity may not know that he has to honor his masculinity and may be confused when called upon by society or those close to him to exhibit it. It may be difficult for him to understand that it is possible to care too much how people feel. He must eventually learn that sometimes he may have to damn the torpedoes and assert himself. Not only does this benefit his own realization as a masculine human, but it may be necessary for him to fulfill his feminine goal of eliciting the desired results from others. However, even a man with all ten planets in feminine signs and houses is still a man and could be called on at anytime to be masculine.


Of course, there are women born with the Sun in feminine signs. For the purposes of this article, I want to address the Sun as a symbol of how we need to experience masculinity as personified by males. Women with feminine Suns are most comfortable with feminine men (although they may not know this if Mars or the Ascendant is in a masculine sign). Knowing this may be important to these women, since these men may not be acceptable to a society encouraging men to be masculine. If a woman does have a masculine Mars to accompany her feminine Sun, this article may explain why masculine men may leave her feeling a bit cold after a time. Conversely, this theory may help women involved with men that have Sun/Mars gender conflicts understand the schizophrenia these men may exemplify with their sometimes-I-give-a-damn/sometimes-I-don't behavior.


Our feminine brothers, fathers, sons, clients and the other significant men in our lives can benefit from knowing that they can be special emissaries; not quite masculine, not quite feminine, but a special combination of the two. Making peace is as simple or as complicated as facing the reality of who they are.

In our world, males are expected to be masculine, acting to distinguish themselves. If that process means vanquishing others, so be it. Females are expected to be feminine, acting to establish cooperation and bonding through awareness of and sensitivity to the needs of others. If that process means ignoring her own needs, so be it.

Yup, I don't see myself as the centre. I try to serve and see to the needs of others first and foremost.

And yes... I do find envy seeing women using their feminine prowess to get what they want, but I don't have any hostility towards them.

i think comin up with these studies is another way of showing their pessimism, ok so now because someone says virgos cant be masculine then your going to believe em?

Posted by nyc125
i think comin up with these studies is another way of showing their pessimism, ok so now because someone says virgos cant be masculine then your going to believe em?

im not stating that i'm going by what studies that are made and people who know virgo males and by blogs who post just like us saying virgo males give off a feminine vibe due 2 being a feminine sign and also stating why its hard for males being masculine being born into a feminine sign.

if you read it will clearly states that.

Posted by seavixen2
Interesting LV. Even tho Virgo may be a "feminine" sign...My Virgo dad does not have any outward "feminine" traits. May dad is the epitome of "maleness". My deep inside he may have sensitivity, but that doesn't show very much either. Now my Virgo ex was exactly the same, except he had a "gracefulness" about him and that would be the only thing remotely "feminine" thing about him.

that may be so but its maybe cuz im a virgo and i the virgos i know tend to have a dis so called facade about them thats what im trying to state sv males born under feminine sun signs have problems expressing themselves like they are repressed unlike the masculine suns who can expressed themselves with no problem because of the energy the article states that feminine males must be at peace with there sensitivity without being afraid 2 expressed themselves .

notice the sun is masculine planet.

thank you sv im glad ur enjoying it i do my best 2 make my threads intriguing im surprised this thread don't have lots of feedback yet im sure it will when people are ready 2 answer.

i was gonna ask you how do you deal because ur a pisecs sun with a leo moon.

for me having three masculine planets sometimes my virgo sun goes out the window balancing energies aren't easy lmao.

Posted by Shaka_laka_boomboom
Its the sort of read that has the capacity to wake up some of the insecurities people try to hide, however I dont agree with the astrological factor being added to it. If you are slightly insecure about yourself then reading this article will only make your insecurities appear bigger, not in the way of making you aware of their existence but more on a "brainwashing" type of way, youre gonna end up believing things about yourself, most of which probably arent even true, thats what I mean by "brainwashing"

thats as well but i posted the read because its very intriguing and it makes you think.

they say feminine males care alot about what people say tell me why do virgos serve people isn't that feminine by nature and going into little details about things and worrying always about things that can't be helped getting close to people and pulling back because they are a afraid of being hurt that is of feminine nature masculine signs dont care about such things i can go on and on about virgos lmao.

that is what basically this article is about masculine and feminine energy.

I think this thread is very interesting. I can tell you that it does seem that the feminine signs I have dated like Pisces, Scorpio and now Virgo have definitely tended to be more metrosexual in the way they are about their appearance and sense of style . They have also been pretty sensitive.
I know the Virgo I am seeing gives off a little bit of an effeminate vibe (I like it). I guess even Virgos cleanliness can even be seen as feminine in some people's eyes...lol. My Virguy's apartment is freaking spotless! Everything has it's place and is in it's place and he brushes his teeth a lot and is always shower fresh when I see him.

Sidenote for those Virgos (almost all of you regulars) who have been helping me with advice on my Virgo: Thank you! We spent the night together last night and it was amazing in that we had so much fun laughing, talking about things and other extra-curricular activites...lol. We also clarified our relationship and he does want the same type of relationship I was hoping for! He is into me and I into him and that makes me very happy! He is a little OCD about some little things that I think is cute and endearing and I am sure I am a lot to take in for him but now that I am armed with great advice and information on Virgos I know more how to navigate in these new seas that I am swimming! So I was worried for nothing...he was just being a patient Virgo...he he! 😄