Same Difference?

This post is in regards to the nature of the signs Virgo and Scorpio; I've wondered why in fact they are so similar, but I haven't really been able to 'conceptualize' a decent answer for myself. One Symbolizes the Female Genital, the other the Male. But more deeply, what do they have to do with one another, and why do they resemble one another so closely? What is the importance of them each? I wondered this for some time, our personalites similar, yet different....why was Virgo considered earth, and Scorpio water? why any of this stuff? I can't help but to wonder becuase it's never been asked; it's never gotten an answer, and I'm looking for one. So, any speculation DXP?

I myself am never afraid to fear/experience anything because I have confidence in my abilities; If we fear experience, (on a physical or emotional plane) we've no chance for growth; how can an intelligent person call themselves deserving of that title if they fear the unknown? You've got to be willing to take risks and go with your gut sometimes, because it's the way that we learn most deeply about ourselves; logic is good, but it dosen't run as deeply into discovering the self as the subjectivity of emotions; there's nothing wrong with getting pissed off or happy; I just think both of our signs have a desire not to be F**KED with on an emotional/mental plane, so we keep everything under wraps untill a time comes to speak up.

"I just think both of our signs have a desire not to be F**KED with on an emotional/mental plane, so we keep everything under wraps untill a time comes to speak up.....So when a big conflict comes between themselves & the relationship they truly get why the other person is thinking the way they do, and they BOTH analyze and attack the core of the problem. Virgo will understand deep feelings the Scorp has and Scorp understands the logic of where Virgo is coming from. Usually ends in REALLY HOT....well, you know. :-)"

------So true, well for me.

I like Scorps, they're okay (lol).

Yeah, until they get the idea, that they can sting THIS virgo lol 😛

yes, I'm aware of the symbology of the signs.....but what I'm unaware of is how does the female and male......OH!!!!! A SEXUAL HEALING......ROFLMAO!!!!! hahahahahaha!!!! got it!!!

For me, life is an internal conflict to bring my emotions, and intellect in straight line. I undstand subtext, and logic, and because of the Virgoan talent with discrimination, I know WHERE AND WHEN to apply both forces, only problem is that I detest one force over powering the other. I have to say there is an underlying reason for why I've started this thread.....this Scorp girl I know bugs the HELL outta me.....I like her more than I've I've ever liked anyone (I lead with my head, and I let my passions push me on) but she behaves so oddly....she pretty, but I feel like she's actively avoiding me....she pulls and pushes at me and I told her 'look I'm sick of this between us; talk to me! What do you want me to know already?!'
I've told her we can be friends and she can talk to me (I must admitt I have an affinity for bring out others secrets....people just 'open up' to me)

I am extremely straight forward in general, and use subtlety only as a social device but emotionally, I want what I want when I want it. It isn't failure/rejection, but getting into contact with that obsessive side of myself; I hate to be denied, and told 'no'.....I take pride in my detatchability and ability to let go, and start something else in life, but for some reason I can't.....I hate this situation....I've hidden my feelings (but this is no real challenge for a Virgo, I just use that stoic look I always do) from her, but I think that maybe she GETS OFF on hidding from people.

I'm a virgo with a scorpio ascendant. How do you make sense of that? Is the scorpio part reinforcing my virgo-ness?

v lady:Is the scorpio part reinforcing my virgo-ness?


not at all v lady; your rising sign is just how you come across to the outside world. Both signs are introverted, and coarse by nature (Virgo by pure focused will/logic/discipline) and (Scorpio by emotional discipline/directness) it would cancel out and make you as rather straight forward; what you see is what you get is the theory becuase they are both introverted, and dispise their feelings being envoked....they are both quite stolid, but naturally there is more under the surface than what is PURPOSEFULLY expressed. You know how it goes....

btw, you Virguys seem rather 'whipped' by your Scorpion counter parts....lol I'm rather intrigued. I will never let someone think they can disrespect me as if I'm property to be kicked around. I hold myself in too high a regard to let a woman, or man think they can step on me. I'd rather be alone than to be a servant or bent to anyone's will. I may cooperate, but don't expect me to submitt and say 'you're master and I slave' NO. That's part of the reason I collide with my Scorpio Father. He knows how far to go before he's made a mistake (as to whether he cares for the mistake being made or appologizing is up to him) which is why I won't speak with him; there's nothing to speak about; all action, and words can't contradict what you feel. Even if it means feelings are hurt, I will resist with all my might being controlled or bent to someones You WILL love me or you'll hate me but you will respect me....otherwise I'll brood in silent vengeance. I'm a nasty person when I deem it NECESSARY to be otherwise I'll be glad to be nice and get what I want. I'll take all the energy I have to destroy anyone who stands in my way; my merciful nature goes out the window, and I oblidge in destroying the person's life repeatedly. I think there's that secret part of Virgo emerging....the polar side of the Angel....I myself am an emotional person, but won't stand to be treated like anything less than what I believe I am. I don't want to be in a relationship with a 'creature' that believes that they are 'superior' for no good reason.....that is restriction to me in the worse sense of the word it's abuse almost you'd have to be masochistic from all of what you two are saying about Scorps, besides, I've lived with one my whole life!....the one trait I share with SOME scorpions is the need to press the envelope.

What I'm saying is some people whom all too readily express a submissive nature and you can never submitt to a Scorpio, becuase they'll think they can run over top of you; a SORE MISTAKE; the water signs generally use feelings to often shut out progress/rationality and we can't move forward because a seemingly impersonal matter suddenly becomes personal.....and then their feelings are hurt and you never hear the end of it. Can an Emotional person really be a lover?

It may sound idealistic, but I don't think that love has to be selfish at all; a person whom is emotional is thinking not necessarily about the other person, but about their own feelings and how good it feels (endorphines are released in the brain when one falls in love/infatuation) to be in that state being fulfilled/served emotionally. Think of how good it would be if two people who were in love thought about the other person....they we're generous, and loving, and accepted the person without forcing them to conform to their own selfish emotional needs; they just loved the person for who they were, sure there's bs that goes with it, but on the whole both people wanted to progress in their relationship; to get to the bottom of their feelings and move forward together in perfect understanding; that is of course if you truly love the other person, or are you really coming into contact with the idea of loving yourself and securing your own selfish emotional needs?