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Posted by jeane
i think it's a wide combination of things.
the bull can be frustrating at times to deal with, especially at the start when everything is unfamiliar but i also think the person having the problem also contributes. normally their own baggage gets in the way. it could be an inability to accept the bull's nature.
bull's don't make it easy either. if a person is insecure or unsure of themselves due to their previous relationships/experiences then bulls can be very difficult to deal with. their pace can be irritating or that they are so cautious to leave another person guessing and second guessing. ultimately though it comes down to trust. trust in yourself, trust in them, trust in the process.
with that said, some bulls are not to be trusted. i'd like to subscribe to the idea that all is takes is a good man/woman to set them straight but i don't think i really believe that. as with every sign there are some rotten apples. you just have to learn to identify them and hopefully the sooner the better.
as to your own issue....i had a similar experience. i felt forever at arm's length, forever only being told part of the story. you know what helped? not caring about getting to those answers. i stopped pushing him to tell me every little detail. his response was to tell me every little detail. stop pushing. when you step back, he will step toward you in his own time (you won't have to wait too long). until then he is going to be guarded.

Posted by 2LoV3Posted by jeane
i think it's a wide combination of things.
the bull can be frustrating at times to deal with, especially at the start when everything is unfamiliar but i also think the person having the problem also contributes. normally their own baggage gets in the way. it could be an inability to accept the bull's nature.
bull's don't make it easy either. if a person is insecure or unsure of themselves due to their previous relationships/experiences then bulls can be very difficult to deal with. their pace can be irritating or that they are so cautious to leave another person guessing and second guessing. ultimately though it comes down to trust. trust in yourself, trust in them, trust in the process.
with that said, some bulls are not to be trusted. i'd like to subscribe to the idea that all is takes is a good man/woman to set them straight but i don't think i really believe that. as with every sign there are some rotten apples. you just have to learn to identify them and hopefully the sooner the better.
as to your own issue....i had a similar experience. i felt forever at arm's length, forever only being told part of the story. you know what helped? not caring about getting to those answers. i stopped pushing him to tell me every little detail. his response was to tell me every little detail. stop pushing. when you step back, he will step toward you in his own time (you won't have to wait too long). until then he is going to be guarded.
I would totally agree to it all!! Guarded and over cautious is definitely how I too would describe my bull.
I myself am an aqua and am quite emotionally confident in terms of saying what I feel and discussing it so everyone knows where they stand, good, bad or indifferent. So for me dealing with someone the complete opposite has sometimes been hard. I find he is not as confident emotionally to just say whatever and I’ve definitely learnt to try not to care about the answers or discussing it. It’s good to hear that’s how you dealt with it best as you never know if your approach is for the best.
Did you find your bull hated being called out? Not in a mean way but I’m the type to discuss in a practical way and make a bit of a joke eg I’ve joked before “want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster” not being serious but for him he takes it so seriously...I’ve realised don’t do that whilst they are in this stage!! 😬😬click to expand

Posted by Parkourler
I think many of us are oblivious to the fact that so many Woman expect you to text you a lot or regularly because that would
be a sign that we are crazy about them. We are old people when it comes to chatting, we are just puzzled about that.
We are single minded and bad communicators. So during a date you get all the attention, during the day we are solely focused on hustling. The amount of threads about man giving mixed signals never ceases to amaze me.
Posted by ryanaqua
Taurus is hard. But have to kerp patience and keep yourself strong. They are careful as well as confused for most part. And confusion added with difficulties only makes things worse for them. So there is huge part which is related to indecision and i don't think they are courageous as well.
Depends on your mental strength and love for that matter whether you want to be in this game or not.
Posted by jeanePosted by 2LoV3Posted by jeane
i think it's a wide combination of things.
the bull can be frustrating at times to deal with, especially at the start when everything is unfamiliar but i also think the person having the problem also contributes. normally their own baggage gets in the way. it could be an inability to accept the bull's nature.
bull's don't make it easy either. if a person is insecure or unsure of themselves due to their previous relationships/experiences then bulls can be very difficult to deal with. their pace can be irritating or that they are so cautious to leave another person guessing and second guessing. ultimately though it comes down to trust. trust in yourself, trust in them, trust in the process.
with that said, some bulls are not to be trusted. i'd like to subscribe to the idea that all is takes is a good man/woman to set them straight but i don't think i really believe that. as with every sign there are some rotten apples. you just have to learn to identify them and hopefully the sooner the better.
as to your own issue....i had a similar experience. i felt forever at arm's length, forever only being told part of the story. you know what helped? not caring about getting to those answers. i stopped pushing him to tell me every little detail. his response was to tell me every little detail. stop pushing. when you step back, he will step toward you in his own time (you won't have to wait too long). until then he is going to be guarded.
I would totally agree to it all!! Guarded and over cautious is definitely how I too would describe my bull.
I myself am an aqua and am quite emotionally confident in terms of saying what I feel and discussing it so everyone knows where they stand, good, bad or indifferent. So for me dealing with someone the complete opposite has sometimes been hard. I find he is not as confident emotionally to just say whatever and I’ve definitely learnt to try not to care about the answers or discussing it. It’s good to hear that’s how you dealt with it best as you never know if your approach is for the best.
Did you find your bull hated being called out? Not in a mean way but I’m the type to discuss in a practical way and make a bit of a joke eg I’ve joked before “want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster” not being serious but for him he takes it so seriously...I’ve realised don’t do that whilst they are in this stage!! 😬😬
i think if you come at it with the approach of "this is how i do things, you should do things the same way" then you are going to struggle. it goes back to something i read years ago which went along the lines of 'the word "should" is the most damaging word in a relationship." - that someone "should" be a certain way or "should" think the same way i do or "should" fix their problem the way that i said. we all like to think we are right. as strongly as you feel your way is right he thinks his way is right too.
“want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster”. ouch. so you think if you come at it with a barbed comment and be all prickly then that is going to encourage him to open up? hmm, that wouldn't be my first approach. everyone wants to feel like their emotions, thoughts and feelings are safe with the other person. you don't want to be judged or attacked, mocked or humiliated. you have to ask yourself if you are presenting yourself as a safe and inviting place for him?
i didn't joke about it. we used to argue. i would try to get the information out. he would resist. i would explain that that wasn't the kind of relationship i wanted to be in. he told me that he didn't feel like i was much of a sanctuary for him because he never knew if what he said would be used against him at a later date. that stopped me in my tracks and looking at things from his point of view i adjusted my behaviour.
he doesn't trust you yet. my advice would be, be kind. be compassionate. be patient. be his friend. you are not owed this information. realise that few people ever really see the soft underbelly. it's a gift when someone lets you in. be appreciative of his efforts to get there with you.click to expand

Posted by 2LoV3Posted by jeanePosted by 2LoV3Posted by jeane
i think it's a wide combination of things.
the bull can be frustrating at times to deal with, especially at the start when everything is unfamiliar but i also think the person having the problem also contributes. normally their own baggage gets in the way. it could be an inability to accept the bull's nature.
bull's don't make it easy either. if a person is insecure or unsure of themselves due to their previous relationships/experiences then bulls can be very difficult to deal with. their pace can be irritating or that they are so cautious to leave another person guessing and second guessing. ultimately though it comes down to trust. trust in yourself, trust in them, trust in the process.
with that said, some bulls are not to be trusted. i'd like to subscribe to the idea that all is takes is a good man/woman to set them straight but i don't think i really believe that. as with every sign there are some rotten apples. you just have to learn to identify them and hopefully the sooner the better.
as to your own issue....i had a similar experience. i felt forever at arm's length, forever only being told part of the story. you know what helped? not caring about getting to those answers. i stopped pushing him to tell me every little detail. his response was to tell me every little detail. stop pushing. when you step back, he will step toward you in his own time (you won't have to wait too long). until then he is going to be guarded.
I would totally agree to it all!! Guarded and over cautious is definitely how I too would describe my bull.
I myself am an aqua and am quite emotionally confident in terms of saying what I feel and discussing it so everyone knows where they stand, good, bad or indifferent. So for me dealing with someone the complete opposite has sometimes been hard. I find he is not as confident emotionally to just say whatever and I’ve definitely learnt to try not to care about the answers or discussing it. It’s good to hear that’s how you dealt with it best as you never know if your approach is for the best.
Did you find your bull hated being called out? Not in a mean way but I’m the type to discuss in a practical way and make a bit of a joke eg I’ve joked before “want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster” not being serious but for him he takes it so seriously...I’ve realised don’t do that whilst they are in this stage!! 😬😬
i think if you come at it with the approach of "this is how i do things, you should do things the same way" then you are going to struggle. it goes back to something i read years ago which went along the lines of 'the word "should" is the most damaging word in a relationship." - that someone "should" be a certain way or "should" think the same way i do or "should" fix their problem the way that i said. we all like to think we are right. as strongly as you feel your way is right he thinks his way is right too.
“want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster”. ouch. so you think if you come at it with a barbed comment and be all prickly then that is going to encourage him to open up? hmm, that wouldn't be my first approach. everyone wants to feel like their emotions, thoughts and feelings are safe with the other person. you don't want to be judged or attacked, mocked or humiliated. you have to ask yourself if you are presenting yourself as a safe and inviting place for him?
i didn't joke about it. we used to argue. i would try to get the information out. he would resist. i would explain that that wasn't the kind of relationship i wanted to be in. he told me that he didn't feel like i was much of a sanctuary for him because he never knew if what he said would be used against him at a later date. that stopped me in my tracks and looking at things from his point of view i adjusted my behaviour.
he doesn't trust you yet. my advice would be, be kind. be compassionate. be patient. be his friend. you are not owed this information. realise that few people ever really see the soft underbelly. it's a gift when someone lets you in. be appreciative of his efforts to get there with you.
I don’t necessarily want Him to do it my way. I just know that bad communication and lack of understanding was one thing that caused us to split the first time but unfortunately as I’m sure you know they have never been the best at communicating.
I Definitely need to adjust my behaviour for sure! As I would usually joke to lighten the mood and to take the pressure off as we used to banter this way before, when we were both in other relationships. What I’ve noticed is now we are single that there is a clear possibility that we will reconcile things for him are much more serious and cautious. I’ve only recently figured this out
Even from what you have said it’s so clear how sensitive they actually are although they come across the complete opposite emotionally!click to expand

Posted by 2LoV3Posted by Parkourler
I think many of us are oblivious to the fact that so many Woman expect you to text you a lot or regularly because that would
be a sign that we are crazy about them. We are old people when it comes to chatting, we are just puzzled about that.
We are single minded and bad communicators. So during a date you get all the attention, during the day we are solely focused on hustling. The amount of threads about man giving mixed signals never ceases to amaze me.
You put this really well. I regards to you saying “it would be a sign that we are crazy about them” I gather you would rather keep that under raps and not let them know that you are?click to expand
Posted by ParkourlerPosted by 2LoV3Posted by Parkourler
I think many of us are oblivious to the fact that so many Woman expect you to text you a lot or regularly because that would
be a sign that we are crazy about them. We are old people when it comes to chatting, we are just puzzled about that.
We are single minded and bad communicators. So during a date you get all the attention, during the day we are solely focused on hustling. The amount of threads about man giving mixed signals never ceases to amaze me.
You put this really well. I regards to you saying “it would be a sign that we are crazy about them” I gather you would rather keep that under raps and not let them know that you are?
Sorry I was guessing I dont know for sure if woman see that as a sign for being in love. No, I dont keep it under wraps on purpose, I am just too taurus to be expressive like a pisces or a leo would. But we can go from being standoffish to declaring you the mother of my children in a splitsecond if you do something special, like not giving us shit for being boring or checking all the boxes, if we let our feelings boil inside for too long.click to expand

Posted by jeanePosted by 2LoV3Posted by jeanePosted by 2LoV3Posted by jeane
i think it's a wide combination of things.
the bull can be frustrating at times to deal with, especially at the start when everything is unfamiliar but i also think the person having the problem also contributes. normally their own baggage gets in the way. it could be an inability to accept the bull's nature.
bull's don't make it easy either. if a person is insecure or unsure of themselves due to their previous relationships/experiences then bulls can be very difficult to deal with. their pace can be irritating or that they are so cautious to leave another person guessing and second guessing. ultimately though it comes down to trust. trust in yourself, trust in them, trust in the process.
with that said, some bulls are not to be trusted. i'd like to subscribe to the idea that all is takes is a good man/woman to set them straight but i don't think i really believe that. as with every sign there are some rotten apples. you just have to learn to identify them and hopefully the sooner the better.
as to your own issue....i had a similar experience. i felt forever at arm's length, forever only being told part of the story. you know what helped? not caring about getting to those answers. i stopped pushing him to tell me every little detail. his response was to tell me every little detail. stop pushing. when you step back, he will step toward you in his own time (you won't have to wait too long). until then he is going to be guarded.
I would totally agree to it all!! Guarded and over cautious is definitely how I too would describe my bull.
I myself am an aqua and am quite emotionally confident in terms of saying what I feel and discussing it so everyone knows where they stand, good, bad or indifferent. So for me dealing with someone the complete opposite has sometimes been hard. I find he is not as confident emotionally to just say whatever and I’ve definitely learnt to try not to care about the answers or discussing it. It’s good to hear that’s how you dealt with it best as you never know if your approach is for the best.
Did you find your bull hated being called out? Not in a mean way but I’m the type to discuss in a practical way and make a bit of a joke eg I’ve joked before “want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster” not being serious but for him he takes it so seriously...I’ve realised don’t do that whilst they are in this stage!! 😬😬
i think if you come at it with the approach of "this is how i do things, you should do things the same way" then you are going to struggle. it goes back to something i read years ago which went along the lines of 'the word "should" is the most damaging word in a relationship." - that someone "should" be a certain way or "should" think the same way i do or "should" fix their problem the way that i said. we all like to think we are right. as strongly as you feel your way is right he thinks his way is right too.
“want me to call an Uber so you can get away from me faster”. ouch. so you think if you come at it with a barbed comment and be all prickly then that is going to encourage him to open up? hmm, that wouldn't be my first approach. everyone wants to feel like their emotions, thoughts and feelings are safe with the other person. you don't want to be judged or attacked, mocked or humiliated. you have to ask yourself if you are presenting yourself as a safe and inviting place for him?
i didn't joke about it. we used to argue. i would try to get the information out. he would resist. i would explain that that wasn't the kind of relationship i wanted to be in. he told me that he didn't feel like i was much of a sanctuary for him because he never knew if what he said would be used against him at a later date. that stopped me in my tracks and looking at things from his point of view i adjusted my behaviour.
he doesn't trust you yet. my advice would be, be kind. be compassionate. be patient. be his friend. you are not owed this information. realise that few people ever really see the soft underbelly. it's a gift when someone lets you in. be appreciative of his efforts to get there with you.
I don’t necessarily want Him to do it my way. I just know that bad communication and lack of understanding was one thing that caused us to split the first time but unfortunately as I’m sure you know they have never been the best at communicating.
I Definitely need to adjust my behaviour for sure! As I would usually joke to lighten the mood and to take the pressure off as we used to banter this way before, when we were both in other relationships. What I’ve noticed is now we are single that there is a clear possibility that we will reconcile things for him are much more serious and cautious. I’ve only recently figured this out
Even from what you have said it’s so clear how sensitive they actually are although they come across the complete opposite emotionally!
it was just interesting that the first paragraph and the first point you made - often the one people feel is most important - is to say how you handle things when it comes to communicating. just aware of that is all i am saying. start comparing your style s and it's not long before judgement turns up and then resentment. i'm not saying that is what is happening or going to happen but how you think of things and what you choose to focus on in your own mind is just something for you to be conscious of. language - what we say and how we choose to say it - can be very telling.
yes, they are incredibly sensitive hence the reason to be so cautious and guarded. sarky jokes when you were friends hit a lot closer to home now you are involved. again, just be aware. i know you don't want to inadvertently hurt this man. it's not to say walk on eggshells but know where the soft spots are.
my philosophy (totally stolen from dr phil) is everyday to ask myself am i contributing positively to my relationship or harming it? what can i do today that will contribute to the success of my relationship? it doesn't have to be much, give a call to see how he is, book an event that he would like, buy him lunch, make him a cake, help out his family member, make sure to compliment on his appearance, thank him for helping me when i needed him. all the little things add up. it's work but i don't mind because i want my relationship to succeed.click to expand

Posted by 2LoV3Posted by ParkourlerPosted by 2LoV3Posted by Parkourler
I think many of us are oblivious to the fact that so many Woman expect you to text you a lot or regularly because that would
be a sign that we are crazy about them. We are old people when it comes to chatting, we are just puzzled about that.
We are single minded and bad communicators. So during a date you get all the attention, during the day we are solely focused on hustling. The amount of threads about man giving mixed signals never ceases to amaze me.
You put this really well. I regards to you saying “it would be a sign that we are crazy about them” I gather you would rather keep that under raps and not let them know that you are?
Sorry I was guessing I dont know for sure if woman see that as a sign for being in love. No, I dont keep it under wraps on purpose, I am just too taurus to be expressive like a pisces or a leo would. But we can go from being standoffish to declaring you the mother of my children in a splitsecond if you do something special, like not giving us shit for being boring or checking all the boxes, if we let our feelings boil inside for too long.
Oh right I get it. Yes I guess some women see that as a sign, regular texting.
You touched on something interesting which sounds familiar, my bull hates being reminded or told about something he didn’t do or whatever. He usually tries to end the convo pretty quite if I don’t drop itclick to expand
Posted by ParkourlerPosted by 2LoV3Posted by ParkourlerPosted by 2LoV3Posted by Parkourler
I think many of us are oblivious to the fact that so many Woman expect you to text you a lot or regularly because that would
be a sign that we are crazy about them. We are old people when it comes to chatting, we are just puzzled about that.
We are single minded and bad communicators. So during a date you get all the attention, during the day we are solely focused on hustling. The amount of threads about man giving mixed signals never ceases to amaze me.
You put this really well. I regards to you saying “it would be a sign that we are crazy about them” I gather you would rather keep that under raps and not let them know that you are?
Sorry I was guessing I dont know for sure if woman see that as a sign for being in love. No, I dont keep it under wraps on purpose, I am just too taurus to be expressive like a pisces or a leo would. But we can go from being standoffish to declaring you the mother of my children in a splitsecond if you do something special, like not giving us shit for being boring or checking all the boxes, if we let our feelings boil inside for too long.
Oh right I get it. Yes I guess some women see that as a sign, regular texting.
You touched on something interesting which sounds familiar, my bull hates being reminded or told about something he didn’t do or whatever. He usually tries to end the convo pretty quite if I don’t drop it
Yeah but being reminded is perceived as nagging by all signs, you know the classic line "Sweetie did you buy milk in the supermarket?". Maybe just maybe you are annoyed if we dont buy what we need for day day life?
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This is just random but I know this forum gets loaded with many not understanding their behaviour. I myself have had my fair share of confusion...so why do you think so many have trouble understanding the bull??
I remember recently telling mine that if he kept his cards any closer to his chest they’ll probably get stuck there lol! I came to realise he’ll share when he is ready which can take a lifetime!! So is it really a lack of understanding, do they really take you on a rollercoaster or is it just not accepting what is happening or maybe a bit of both??