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The new zodiac changes and the new zodiac sign. Anyone like it?
No.
You should question more.
The stars always change but I heard the western zodiac goes by seasons
As for Ophiuchus, it's interesting.~
As for Ophiuchus, it's interesting.~
Yes, Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer. I like it. It describes me perfectly.
Posted by cancer_wyrm
They say every 2000 years the Earth goes through a change and we have to shift the dates of our zodiac in order to be accurate. Now since I'm a Cancer, after this change it says I'm a Gemini. I still feel like a Cancer and even with this change I'm going to still identify as one. Anyone embracing their new zodiac sign or are you still firmly set as the one you first knew yourself as?
Also there is talk about a 13th zodiac, I think its the Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer. What do you guys think about it?
I'm very pro 13 sign astrology but no one else ever wants to discuss it seriously 😭
Who can blame Cancers for trying to seek a new sign.
@sunkisses26
"lol why are you pro-13th sign?"
Okay, so... I think that it is more accurate to use the 13 sign system than the 12 sign system, and people stand to learn more from observing/including it's existence. I will go through the reasons you listed and try and answer questions for you....
1. allll the signs are assigned to an element (cancer,scorpio, pisces)-water (gemini, libra,aqua)-air (taurus virgo capricorn)-earth (aries, leo. saggie)-fire Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer element -ummm —?
Ophiuchus the serpent bearer is the element of spirit. Do you know the pentagram?
Don't you think it's as important to learn about spirit as the other 4?
So there are actually 13 constellations in in the suns ecliptic, of which Ophiuchus is one. They are NOT equal in length, however many astrologers prefer to use the 12 so as to have an even division (30 degrees in each sign). But that's not actually how the constellations line up. So.. its kind of cheating in a way that sacrifices purity and accuracy. It's arbitrary and lazy. Another thing- Ophiuchus has been known about for a very long time. People think of it as "the new sign" when it's actually "the old sign" that was taken out of observance. Why? Well, because it's
"The Soul, The Divine, The Mystery".
and there are people that would rather the masses to not grow to understand these things. And the sign of Ophiuchus represents UNITY. The controllers of this world want us divided. It's divide and conquer. The snake symbolizes esoteric knowledge. Astrologers are supposed to be all about understanding esoteric knowledge and that doesn't mean that everything is going to be in a neat little box all the time.
Who do you think wants knowledge to be hidden from the world?
Ophiuchus was not created in 2011. It was HIDDEN until 2011.
"2 next all the signs have an equal and opposite sign cancer vs cappie scorpio vs taurus pisces vs virgo gemini vs saggie libra vs aries aqua vs leo
Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer vs —?(oh right nothing)"
So what? As I said, this is not how the Solar System actually works. There ARE 13 constellations. And even those 12 are NOT equal and opposite. It is just a lie to keep people in the dark about greater secrets.
"3rd all the signs have qualities cardinal-(aries cancer libra capricorn) mutable-(gemini virgo saggie pisces) fixed (taurus leo scorpio and aqua)
Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer quality-"nada""
As far as I know, Ophiuchus does not have a modality. But I don't see why this matters. The modalities are cute but why aren't Taurus and Gemini cardinal signs, since they are the first signs in their element and cardinal represents the leaders? Aries and Cancer are cardinals, right? It's because modalities (and the 12 sign system in general) is just based off of the SEASONS than accurate representation of people:
"lol why are you pro-13th sign?"
Okay, so... I think that it is more accurate to use the 13 sign system than the 12 sign system, and people stand to learn more from observing/including it's existence. I will go through the reasons you listed and try and answer questions for you....
1. allll the signs are assigned to an element (cancer,scorpio, pisces)-water (gemini, libra,aqua)-air (taurus virgo capricorn)-earth (aries, leo. saggie)-fire Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer element -ummm —?
Ophiuchus the serpent bearer is the element of spirit. Do you know the pentagram?
Don't you think it's as important to learn about spirit as the other 4?
So there are actually 13 constellations in in the suns ecliptic, of which Ophiuchus is one. They are NOT equal in length, however many astrologers prefer to use the 12 so as to have an even division (30 degrees in each sign). But that's not actually how the constellations line up. So.. its kind of cheating in a way that sacrifices purity and accuracy. It's arbitrary and lazy. Another thing- Ophiuchus has been known about for a very long time. People think of it as "the new sign" when it's actually "the old sign" that was taken out of observance. Why? Well, because it's
"The Soul, The Divine, The Mystery".
and there are people that would rather the masses to not grow to understand these things. And the sign of Ophiuchus represents UNITY. The controllers of this world want us divided. It's divide and conquer. The snake symbolizes esoteric knowledge. Astrologers are supposed to be all about understanding esoteric knowledge and that doesn't mean that everything is going to be in a neat little box all the time.
Who do you think wants knowledge to be hidden from the world?
Ophiuchus was not created in 2011. It was HIDDEN until 2011.
"2 next all the signs have an equal and opposite sign cancer vs cappie scorpio vs taurus pisces vs virgo gemini vs saggie libra vs aries aqua vs leo
Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer vs —?(oh right nothing)"
So what? As I said, this is not how the Solar System actually works. There ARE 13 constellations. And even those 12 are NOT equal and opposite. It is just a lie to keep people in the dark about greater secrets.
"3rd all the signs have qualities cardinal-(aries cancer libra capricorn) mutable-(gemini virgo saggie pisces) fixed (taurus leo scorpio and aqua)
Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer quality-"nada""
As far as I know, Ophiuchus does not have a modality. But I don't see why this matters. The modalities are cute but why aren't Taurus and Gemini cardinal signs, since they are the first signs in their element and cardinal represents the leaders? Aries and Cancer are cardinals, right? It's because modalities (and the 12 sign system in general) is just based off of the SEASONS than accurate representation of people:
Aries is the start (cardinal) of spring, Taurus is the (fixed) continuation of spring and Gemini is the (mutable) transition from spring into
Cancer is the cardinal of summer, Leo is the fixed summer and Virgo is the mutable from summer into
Libra is the cardinal of autumn, Scorpio is the fixed autumn and Sagittarius is the mutable from autumn into
Capricorn is the cardinal of Winter, Aquarius is the fixed winter and pisces mutables back from winter into spring.
There it is, neatly laid out. But humans are not neat. Furthermore, some of these signs and their modalities don't even make sense if you really think about them. All people, and all signs are cardinal, fixed, AND mutable, and by applying these modalities to them, we oversimplify the reality.
Which... oversimplifying reality is why many people might turn to astrology. But reality just isn't... simple.
Cancer is the cardinal of summer, Leo is the fixed summer and Virgo is the mutable from summer into
Libra is the cardinal of autumn, Scorpio is the fixed autumn and Sagittarius is the mutable from autumn into
Capricorn is the cardinal of Winter, Aquarius is the fixed winter and pisces mutables back from winter into spring.
There it is, neatly laid out. But humans are not neat. Furthermore, some of these signs and their modalities don't even make sense if you really think about them. All people, and all signs are cardinal, fixed, AND mutable, and by applying these modalities to them, we oversimplify the reality.
Which... oversimplifying reality is why many people might turn to astrology. But reality just isn't... simple.
@sunkisses26
"1. no...I do not recognize spirit as an element b/c it is NOT... neither is heart ...or Light I'm sorry just no...there are ONLY 4 basic elements water fire air and earth .."
Okay... I'm not trying to convince you. You're free to think whatever you like 🙂
"2.I get that this is NOT how our solar system works but if we are going to be literal about how the solar system works then every constellation should be on the zodiac wheel ...why not ursa major and ursa minor ... the big dipper so forth and so on "
Because there are 13 constellations in the ecliptic. That is, the sun travels through these 13 constellations relative to the earth 🙂 Why do you think they say "Sun IN aries." It's because the sun is lined up with aries. There is a time when the sun is lined up with ophiuchus. Should we just ignore that time?
"3. Ophiuchus does not have a modality. But I don't see why this matters. - It matters b/c you(and I don't mean you personally lol) can't just make up stuff as you go along ...it is supposed to fit into as system your modality also supposed to contribute to your personality as well -cardinal signs are suppose to be the signs of leadership signs fixed are usually stubborn and fixed in their beliefs and mutable people are flexible"
I'm not making stuff up as I go along, at all. As I said, if you look at it that way it doesn't even make sense. All signs can be leaders, all signs can be stubborn, and all signs can be flexible.
"I have an Ophiuchus moon ...-said no one ever!"
That's funny because I said that exact phrase to @Damnata a few days ago.
"1. no...I do not recognize spirit as an element b/c it is NOT... neither is heart ...or Light I'm sorry just no...there are ONLY 4 basic elements water fire air and earth .."
Okay... I'm not trying to convince you. You're free to think whatever you like 🙂
"2.I get that this is NOT how our solar system works but if we are going to be literal about how the solar system works then every constellation should be on the zodiac wheel ...why not ursa major and ursa minor ... the big dipper so forth and so on "
Because there are 13 constellations in the ecliptic. That is, the sun travels through these 13 constellations relative to the earth 🙂 Why do you think they say "Sun IN aries." It's because the sun is lined up with aries. There is a time when the sun is lined up with ophiuchus. Should we just ignore that time?
"3. Ophiuchus does not have a modality. But I don't see why this matters. - It matters b/c you(and I don't mean you personally lol) can't just make up stuff as you go along ...it is supposed to fit into as system your modality also supposed to contribute to your personality as well -cardinal signs are suppose to be the signs of leadership signs fixed are usually stubborn and fixed in their beliefs and mutable people are flexible"
I'm not making stuff up as I go along, at all. As I said, if you look at it that way it doesn't even make sense. All signs can be leaders, all signs can be stubborn, and all signs can be flexible.
"I have an Ophiuchus moon ...-said no one ever!"
That's funny because I said that exact phrase to @Damnata a few days ago.
Posted by sunkisses26🙂 You don't have to, I mean it. But maybe if you look into it more, there will be things that are useful to you?
@boringpyezece I must say you did explain Ophiuchus the best I have heard any one say so far ....made me think but...I just not sure that I agree
@sunkisses26
Okay. So, I actually did say that but it was a joke. Even taking Ophiuchus into account, I still have moon in Scorpio 😭 I just hate it and wish I didn't.
So it seems like you're asking just general information about Ophiuchus?
Okay so... first you have to understand that Ophiuchus is set between Scorpio and Sagittarius, right? So telling me not to use any traits from either of these two signs is impossible because when Ophiuchus is omitted, traits of Ophiuchus are divided and given to Scorpio and Sagittarius.
~~~
I'll give you an example... Scorpio is often thought of as loving to keep secrets. It's also thought of as being super nosy and digging up secrets. Scorpios are the ones who stalk their significant other to find them cheating, yes?
When we factor in Ophiuchus, Scorpio actually becomes the smallest sign of all making true Scorpios the most rare.
Now Ophiuchus is thought of as being the ones that keep secrets. They are the keepers of hidden knowledge. Ophiuchus is the secret,
And Scorpio is actually NOT the sign of secrets as they say, but the sign that reveals them. Scorpio is the detective.
~~~
We always call Ophiuchus the 13th sign but the truth is that it's actually the 9th sign because it's the 9th in order. Pisces is actually the 13th sign at the end. So when we factor in the order, we get:
Scorpio which represents the great detective comes before Ophiuchus which represents the hidden knowledge,then followed by Sagittarius- which is wisdom and freedom.
So you know how I compared the 12 signs to the seasons and the progressions? That's because 12 signs is a microcosm of the seasons. But 13 signs... is supposed to be a microcosm of the human. And each of the signs is a stage, right?
The zodiac as applied to humans is meant to be a microcosm of one's progression through life generally and the stages of the mystery religion initiations specifically. I could get into that and dive into the whole esoteric meaning... but I won't do that unless you really want to, it's pretty deep to get into and not always easy to explain.
But think of... hierarchies yes? The private in the military to the general. The entry-level worker to the CEO. Within each power structure... you have secrets. At a certain point you cross a threshold and you gain access to the true function of the company. The ESOTERIC meaning. To get there you have to go through stages of personal development and then you get promoted and gain more access.
Ophiuchus is a threshold. You must use the detective abilities symbolized by Scorpio to reveal/unearth the hidden knowledge symbolized by Ophiuchus to gain the wisdom and freedom symbolized by Sagittarius.
If you want to stick to the 12 signs... Scorpio and Sagittarius is the divide between the personal/social signs into the UNIVERSAL signs. If you omit Ophiuchus you cant cross to the universal stages of the Solar System of soul development
Okay. So, I actually did say that but it was a joke. Even taking Ophiuchus into account, I still have moon in Scorpio 😭 I just hate it and wish I didn't.
So it seems like you're asking just general information about Ophiuchus?
Okay so... first you have to understand that Ophiuchus is set between Scorpio and Sagittarius, right? So telling me not to use any traits from either of these two signs is impossible because when Ophiuchus is omitted, traits of Ophiuchus are divided and given to Scorpio and Sagittarius.
~~~
I'll give you an example... Scorpio is often thought of as loving to keep secrets. It's also thought of as being super nosy and digging up secrets. Scorpios are the ones who stalk their significant other to find them cheating, yes?
When we factor in Ophiuchus, Scorpio actually becomes the smallest sign of all making true Scorpios the most rare.
Now Ophiuchus is thought of as being the ones that keep secrets. They are the keepers of hidden knowledge. Ophiuchus is the secret,
And Scorpio is actually NOT the sign of secrets as they say, but the sign that reveals them. Scorpio is the detective.
~~~
We always call Ophiuchus the 13th sign but the truth is that it's actually the 9th sign because it's the 9th in order. Pisces is actually the 13th sign at the end. So when we factor in the order, we get:
Scorpio which represents the great detective comes before Ophiuchus which represents the hidden knowledge,then followed by Sagittarius- which is wisdom and freedom.
So you know how I compared the 12 signs to the seasons and the progressions? That's because 12 signs is a microcosm of the seasons. But 13 signs... is supposed to be a microcosm of the human. And each of the signs is a stage, right?
The zodiac as applied to humans is meant to be a microcosm of one's progression through life generally and the stages of the mystery religion initiations specifically. I could get into that and dive into the whole esoteric meaning... but I won't do that unless you really want to, it's pretty deep to get into and not always easy to explain.
But think of... hierarchies yes? The private in the military to the general. The entry-level worker to the CEO. Within each power structure... you have secrets. At a certain point you cross a threshold and you gain access to the true function of the company. The ESOTERIC meaning. To get there you have to go through stages of personal development and then you get promoted and gain more access.
Ophiuchus is a threshold. You must use the detective abilities symbolized by Scorpio to reveal/unearth the hidden knowledge symbolized by Ophiuchus to gain the wisdom and freedom symbolized by Sagittarius.
If you want to stick to the 12 signs... Scorpio and Sagittarius is the divide between the personal/social signs into the UNIVERSAL signs. If you omit Ophiuchus you cant cross to the universal stages of the Solar System of soul development
13 is the number of the witch...
@sunkisses26
Sure, it's definitely hard to come across a lot of information. So firstly, I've read a lot of books about the 12 signs and so my understanding/theories about astrology extend beyond just what I've read about the 13 signs concept. And as with anything, I feel like truth is never found in one place. So my ideas are an aggregate of different things I've come across. Some introductory sources:
So this guy gets into a lot of it^ I don't agree with everything he has to say but there's some basic info. His whole channel is dedicated to the 13 sign systems and if you watch a couple of his videos you'll pick up on a lot of it.
http://themindunleashed.org/2013/08/the-13th-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus.html
the mythos^
http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/ophiuchus-constellation/
geography^
https://watchman33.com/2011/02/10/1827/
And you know some of it already. The snake led Eve in the garden of Eden to partake of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil...
The snake is the medical symbol, where medicine is an ancient art filled with knowledge the general public isn't aware of... where they take the Hippocratic OATH to gain access...
Sure, it's definitely hard to come across a lot of information. So firstly, I've read a lot of books about the 12 signs and so my understanding/theories about astrology extend beyond just what I've read about the 13 signs concept. And as with anything, I feel like truth is never found in one place. So my ideas are an aggregate of different things I've come across. Some introductory sources:
So this guy gets into a lot of it^ I don't agree with everything he has to say but there's some basic info. His whole channel is dedicated to the 13 sign systems and if you watch a couple of his videos you'll pick up on a lot of it.
http://themindunleashed.org/2013/08/the-13th-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus.html
the mythos^
http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/ophiuchus-constellation/
geography^
https://watchman33.com/2011/02/10/1827/
And you know some of it already. The snake led Eve in the garden of Eden to partake of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil...
The snake is the medical symbol, where medicine is an ancient art filled with knowledge the general public isn't aware of... where they take the Hippocratic OATH to gain access...
Nooooo. I want to be Aries! I think mine will change under 13 system one.
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Posted by sunkisses26Aww you are so cute!! ˜Posted by RumiLlooks into RumiL eyes holds face in hands ... your are an aries.... till the day you die!
Nooooo. I want to be Aries! I think mine will change under 13 system one.
♈...forever â¤
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