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Who do you Think would be Considered to be a Plutonian Person?
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i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
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Posted by firebunnywhat i mean by that is no weak as sextile btw but the actual number of aspects although i am almost sure you do not need to llok those up or cite them if u r a pullen plutonian.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
Posted by firebunnyHow about scorpio placements and 8th house stuff? And would you consider a person Plutonian if his or her Pluto was ranked 3rd in Pullen with two hugely high percentage ranked planets placed as number one and two?
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
Posted by HappyCapperthose will show in pullen. i might. most likely their pluto is in scorpio even at no 3.Posted by firebunnyHow about scorpio placements and 8th house stuff? And would you consider a person Plutonian if his or her Pluto was ranked 3rd in Pullen with two hugely high percentage ranked planets placed as number one and two?
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutoniansclick to expand
final dispositor= pluto, also plutonian.
Posted by firebunnyAny aspect? Would you count an outer planet major aspect to Pluto? Cause...idk.Posted by firebunnywhat i mean by that is no weak as sextile btw but the actual number of aspects although i am almost sure you do not need to llok those up or cite them if u r a pullen plutonian.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutoniansclick to expand
Posted by firebunnyYes, in sign ranking, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure it has that much of an influence in planet ranking.Posted by HappyCapperthose will show in pullen. i might. most likely their pluto is in scorpio even at no 3.Posted by firebunnyHow about scorpio placements and 8th house stuff? And would you consider a person Plutonian if his or her Pluto was ranked 3rd in Pullen with two hugely high percentage ranked planets placed as number one and two?
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
final dispositor= pluto, also plutonian.click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperi mean if every planet in your chart touched pluto or close to it. there is no doubt you are one. i don't even have to look but 3 weak aspects no. pullen covers it so you don't even need to look at aspects anymore. my bad.Posted by firebunnyAny aspect? Would you count an outer planet major aspect to Pluto? Cause...idk.Posted by firebunnywhat i mean by that is no weak as sextile btw but the actual number of aspects although i am almost sure you do not need to llok those up or cite them if u r a pullen plutonian.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutoniansclick to expand
Posted by HappyCapperit does. domicile planets are ranked higher.Posted by firebunnyYes, in sign ranking, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure it has that much of an influence in planet ranking.Posted by HappyCapperthose will show in pullen. i might. most likely their pluto is in scorpio even at no 3.Posted by firebunnyHow about scorpio placements and 8th house stuff? And would you consider a person Plutonian if his or her Pluto was ranked 3rd in Pullen with two hugely high percentage ranked planets placed as number one and two?
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
final dispositor= pluto, also plutonian.click to expand
why do you find the last one funny? lol
Posted by firebunnyHow about a scorpio stellium? Or a stellium in the 8th? It seems to me some of the most plutonian people would be those with sun and moon in scorpio.Posted by HappyCapperi mean if every planet in your chart touched pluto or close to it. there is no doubt you are one. i don't even have to look but 3 weak aspects no. pullen covers it so you don't even need to look at aspects anymore. my bad.Posted by firebunnyAny aspect? Would you count an outer planet major aspect to Pluto? Cause...idk.Posted by firebunnywhat i mean by that is no weak as sextile btw but the actual number of aspects although i am almost sure you do not need to llok those up or cite them if u r a pullen plutonian.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutoniansclick to expand
Posted by firebunnyAgreed if Pluto is in scorpio it would get a higher placement ranking. But just because your Pluto is in scorpio doesn't mean you get many points in the aspects column.Posted by HappyCapperit does. domicile planets are ranked higher.Posted by firebunnyYes, in sign ranking, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure it has that much of an influence in planet ranking.Posted by HappyCapperthose will show in pullen. i might. most likely their pluto is in scorpio even at no 3.Posted by firebunnyHow about scorpio placements and 8th house stuff? And would you consider a person Plutonian if his or her Pluto was ranked 3rd in Pullen with two hugely high percentage ranked planets placed as number one and two?
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
final dispositor= pluto, also plutonian.click to expand
Posted by firebunnyProbably my bad sense of humour. Firstly, they seem to think that a scorpio stellium in the 8th house in a chart where Pluto is aspecting all planets...but not the ASC is not a classical Plutonian person. And then they go on in a way that sounds to me that they think the main characteristics of a Plutonian person is that they are nasty to people. Yeah, I found it kinda funny.🙂
why do you find the last one funny? lol
Posted by HappyCapperstellium in 8th could make pluto a 3rd place dominant.Posted by firebunnyHow about a scorpio stellium? Or a stellium in the 8th? It seems to me some of the most plutonian people would be those with sun and moon in scorpio.Posted by HappyCapperi mean if every planet in your chart touched pluto or close to it. there is no doubt you are one. i don't even have to look but 3 weak aspects no. pullen covers it so you don't even need to look at aspects anymore. my bad.Posted by firebunnyAny aspect? Would you count an outer planet major aspect to Pluto? Cause...idk.Posted by firebunnywhat i mean by that is no weak as sextile btw but the actual number of aspects although i am almost sure you do not need to llok those up or cite them if u r a pullen plutonian.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutoniansclick to expand
i am sure planets in scorpio add to it. for now i will stick with pullen.
Posted by HappyCapper😆Posted by firebunnyProbably my bad sense of humour. Firstly, they seem to think that a scorpio stellium in the 8th house in a chart where Pluto is aspecting all planets...but not the ASC is not a classical Plutonian person. And then they go on in a way that sounds to me that they think the main characteristics of a Plutonian person is that they are nasty to people. Yeah, I found it kinda funny.🙂
why do you find the last one funny? lol
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i laughed hard at the other ones
”Scorpio eros/psyche” and ” cancer mars trine Pluto”
Posted by firebunnyMe too.😄Posted by HappyCapper😆Posted by firebunnyProbably my bad sense of humour. Firstly, they seem to think that a scorpio stellium in the 8th house in a chart where Pluto is aspecting all planets...but not the ASC is not a classical Plutonian person. And then they go on in a way that sounds to me that they think the main characteristics of a Plutonian person is that they are nasty to people. Yeah, I found it kinda funny.🙂
why do you find the last one funny? lol
i laughed hard at the other onesclick to expand
Posted by firebunnyYeah. I had to re-read that one to make sure that's what was actually written. Hilarious.😄
”Scorpio eros/psyche” and ” cancer mars trine Pluto”
Posted by firebunnyTotally agree with this. Using Pullen Astrology, If Pluto is ranked one of your top 3.. Definitely consider you as plutonian. I have Pluto ranked as my 4th.. now because Pluto Rx conjunct my descendant, this is how I deal with other people. My Mars is square Pluto Rx, Moon in tight sextile to Pluto Rx, Mercury is parallel to Zero degrees Pluto by declination = Conjunct (which many notable astrologer consider as just as strong and sometimes stronger, see link below for explanation), I also feel very plutonian in me personal life and not just saying it to feel special. Its been a blessing and a curse.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
http://aliceportman.com/declinations/ ''As declinations are a measurement from the Earth’s equator, parallels give the ability to manifest things on Earth. I consider them a particularly strong ‘aspect’.''
You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian. Several aspects can define you as Plutonian, not just one. Yes, Having Pluto in your first or conjunct your ascendant is very potent but they way you speak (mercury in hard aspect) might not be, the way you love (Venus in hard aspect), the way you act (Mars in hard aspect) might not be and so on. It's all relative and depends your chart
I'm so bad at quoting and editing.. Things just disappear!
Posted by ShinzoIn my world, that's not very Plutonian(fairly Plutonian, but...), but you know what you feel.Posted by firebunnyTotally agree with this. Using Pullen Astrology, If Pluto is ranked one of your top 3.. Definitely consider you as plutonian. I have Pluto ranked as my 4th.. now because Pluto Rx conjunct my descendant, this is how I deal with other people. My Mars is square Pluto Rx, Moon in tight sextile to Pluto Rx, Mercury is parallel to Zero degrees Pluto by declination = Conjunct (which many notable astrologer consider as just as strong and sometimes stronger, see link below for explanation), I also feel very plutonian in me personal life and not just saying it to feel special. Its been a blessing and a curse.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
http://aliceportman.com/declinations/ ''As declinations are a measurement from the Earth’s equator, parallels give the ability to manifest things on Earth. I consider them a particularly strong ‘aspect’.''
You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian. Several aspects can define you as Plutonian, not just one. Yes, Having Pluto in your first or conjunct your ascendant is very potent but they way you speak (mercury in hard aspect) might not be, the way you love (Venus in hard aspect), the way you act (Mars in hard aspect) might not be and so on. It's all relative and depends your chartclick to expand
"You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian."
I do have a lot to learn...but not that. Where did I write that? And why so condescending?
Posted by capricornmoonHehehe
A Gemini ex told me I'm more of a Scorpio or behave completely like a Scorpio and he knew I was a Leo.
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
Posted by FragranceJust to be sure I understand you correctly: To be a Plutonian you need to be both Pluto and scorpio 1st dominant according to Pullen, in your opinion?
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
Posted by HappyCapperAnd 2nd and 3rd... don't you feel your top 3 dominant planets the most? And what's your opinion on the Plutonian's "criterion"? :-) Do you have one?Posted by FragranceJust to be sure I understand you correctly: To be a Plutonian you need to be both Pluto and scorpio 1st dominant according to Pullen, in your opinion?
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullenclick to expand
Posted by exxtasyxDo you think Pluto in the first is a more powerful placement than another planet in the first? I'm not surePosted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
A Plutonian's life is a disaster. You are stripped of everything you worked for. You live a certain kind of life for 7-8 years, then complete chaos happens, you lose everything, including yourself - and then you have to build a new life from scratch. You'll live that life for another 8-10 years, and then it happens AGAIN. This bullshit is the most fucked up thing a person can experience. But you do get stronger and wiser after each experience. And you become a completely different person each time it happens.
I also think Pluto in the 1st House is a very, very powerful placement. Even if you have very little Pluto in your chart, if you have it in your 1st House, you WILL experience this bullshit.click to expand
I have it though + Ascendant + Moon in the 8th + Pluto major aspects. Many people have much more Scorpio energy that that... I can't even imagine what it's like living their lives
Posted by HappyCapperThat did sound condescending I have to admit but didn't have time to edit that out..Posted by ShinzoIn my world, that's not very Plutonian(fairly Plutonian, but...), but you know what you feel.Posted by firebunnyTotally agree with this. Using Pullen Astrology, If Pluto is ranked one of your top 3.. Definitely consider you as plutonian. I have Pluto ranked as my 4th.. now because Pluto Rx conjunct my descendant, this is how I deal with other people. My Mars is square Pluto Rx, Moon in tight sextile to Pluto Rx, Mercury is parallel to Zero degrees Pluto by declination = Conjunct (which many notable astrologer consider as just as strong and sometimes stronger, see link below for explanation), I also feel very plutonian in me personal life and not just saying it to feel special. Its been a blessing and a curse.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
http://aliceportman.com/declinations/ ''As declinations are a measurement from the Earth’s equator, parallels give the ability to manifest things on Earth. I consider them a particularly strong ‘aspect’.''
You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian. Several aspects can define you as Plutonian, not just one. Yes, Having Pluto in your first or conjunct your ascendant is very potent but they way you speak (mercury in hard aspect) might not be, the way you love (Venus in hard aspect), the way you act (Mars in hard aspect) might not be and so on. It's all relative and depends your chart
"You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian."
I do have a lot to learn...but not that. Where did I write that? And why so condescending?click to expand
You did mention..''If you don't have Pluto on your ascendant, pluto is not as intense, and you are not what would be considered a classical plutonian person. You can still be nasty to others.”
An 8th house stellium (depending on planets) would mean having Scorpionic personality traits but not necessarily Plutonian, even though Pluto rules Scorpio, if that makes any sense.
At least that's how I see it.
Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected.
At least that's how I see it.
Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected.
Posted by exxtasyxYup, I agree most people are not Plutonian...even though many seem to want to be. I really don't get why for the reasons you write about, though.Posted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
A Plutonian's life is a disaster. You are stripped of everything you worked for. You live a certain kind of life for 7-8 years, then complete chaos happens, you lose everything, including yourself - and then you have to build a new life from scratch. You'll live that life for another 8-10 years, and then it happens AGAIN. This bullshit is the most fucked up thing a person can experience. But you do get stronger and wiser after each experience. And you become a completely different person each time it happens.
I also think Pluto in the 1st House is a very, very powerful placement. Even if you have very little Pluto in your chart, if you have it in your 1st House, you WILL experience this bullshit.click to expand
I was waiting for someone to mention the ”I have a Scorpio ascendant and Pluto in Scorpio.” statement. Just the scorpio Rising...idk, but that combined with Pluto in the 1st could make things happen.
ok 1 thing though. even if it is your dominant it is a percentage of your chart but what if your chart doesn't hit a lot of anything?
like me i have a lot of aspects in my chart but i've seen ones i could barely read for coz there were hardly any aspects. i could see those charts having pluto in no.1 but what if they score low in skywriter's how strong is your pluto test?
like me i have a lot of aspects in my chart but i've seen ones i could barely read for coz there were hardly any aspects. i could see those charts having pluto in no.1 but what if they score low in skywriter's how strong is your pluto test?
Posted by FragranceOkay. Thank you!🙂Posted by HappyCapperAnd 2nd and 3rd... don't you feel your top 3 dominant planets the most? And what's your opinion on the Plutonian's "criterion"? :-) Do you have one?Posted by FragranceJust to be sure I understand you correctly: To be a Plutonian you need to be both Pluto and scorpio 1st dominant according to Pullen, in your opinion?
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullenclick to expand
I'm not so sure you would feel your top three the most - only the top three that is not a personal planet, imo - but that's my own theory. This due to as I understand it, the planet ranking is based on placement(which I think is less important for the outer planets) and aspects(how much the planet is aspected...and the more a personal planet is aspected, the more it takes on influences from other planets...which is not true for the outer planets...which would, imo, make a top ranked moon(for instance) less strong in it's sign). But that's a parenthesis.
I haven't formed a theory yet, tbh, but I seem to think it takes more than most people. Scorpio stellium, Sun and moon in scorpio, 8th house stellium plus something else, like a planet in scorpio, or something, or many major aspects(not counting sextiles unless they are very close or the only aspect to that personal planet) to personal planets plus something else, like a planet in scorpio, or something. For instance. But I haven't thought this through enough to be able to give you an exact answer yet. Sorry.
Posted by ShinzoOkay. That's fine.🙂Posted by HappyCapperThat did sound condescending I have to admit but didn't have time to edit that out..Posted by ShinzoIn my world, that's not very Plutonian(fairly Plutonian, but...), but you know what you feel.Posted by firebunnyTotally agree with this. Using Pullen Astrology, If Pluto is ranked one of your top 3.. Definitely consider you as plutonian. I have Pluto ranked as my 4th.. now because Pluto Rx conjunct my descendant, this is how I deal with other people. My Mars is square Pluto Rx, Moon in tight sextile to Pluto Rx, Mercury is parallel to Zero degrees Pluto by declination = Conjunct (which many notable astrologer consider as just as strong and sometimes stronger, see link below for explanation), I also feel very plutonian in me personal life and not just saying it to feel special. Its been a blessing and a curse.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
http://aliceportman.com/declinations/ ''As declinations are a measurement from the Earth’s equator, parallels give the ability to manifest things on Earth. I consider them a particularly strong ‘aspect’.''
You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian. Several aspects can define you as Plutonian, not just one. Yes, Having Pluto in your first or conjunct your ascendant is very potent but they way you speak (mercury in hard aspect) might not be, the way you love (Venus in hard aspect), the way you act (Mars in hard aspect) might not be and so on. It's all relative and depends your chart
"You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian."
I do have a lot to learn...but not that. Where did I write that? And why so condescending?
You did mention..''If you don't have Pluto on your ascendant, pluto is not as intense, and you are not what would be considered a classical plutonian person. You can still be nasty to others.”click to expand
Yes, I copied it on here because I thought it was a major stupid comment and also a funny one at the same time. It was all for fun and giggles.🙂
Posted by FragranceI would think Mars, Sun and Jupiter in the first house (in that order) would outweigh Pluto in the first since it's a fire house if not afflicted by any other significant planet. Just my opinion but would like to verify that. It all depends on the signs it's in and the aspect it's making really.Posted by exxtasyxDo you think Pluto in the first is a more powerful placement than another planet in the first? I'm not surePosted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
A Plutonian's life is a disaster. You are stripped of everything you worked for. You live a certain kind of life for 7-8 years, then complete chaos happens, you lose everything, including yourself - and then you have to build a new life from scratch. You'll live that life for another 8-10 years, and then it happens AGAIN. This bullshit is the most fucked up thing a person can experience. But you do get stronger and wiser after each experience. And you become a completely different person each time it happens.
I also think Pluto in the 1st House is a very, very powerful placement. Even if you have very little Pluto in your chart, if you have it in your 1st House, you WILL experience this bullshit.
I have it though + Ascendant + Moon in the 8th + Pluto major aspects. Many people have much more Scorpio energy that that... I can't even imagine what it's like living their livesclick to expand
britney spears lol! plutonian by way of libra rising. those posters always intrigued me esp if they had libra asc and pluto on asc. quite different energies to be around that angle.
Posted by sultrykittyThis is interesting! Is this because scorpio is ruled by both Pluto and Mars and with the 8th house you get your share of mars as well, but with Pluto aspects, you get...yes, Pluto?
An 8th house stellium (depending on planets) would mean having Scorpionic personality traits but not necessarily Plutonian, even though Pluto rules Scorpio, if that makes any sense.
At least that's how I see it.
Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected.
"Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected"
I didn't get that. Why do you Think it is harder to figure out in Pullen if Pluto is heavily aspected?
Posted by EllycakesThanks!🙂
Plutonians divide up into two categories for me.
A) Baby plutonians: people that have other dominant energies but maybe an 8th house placement or Scorpio placement or Pluto on an angle.
B) Intrinsic Plutonians: people where Pluto creeps into at least 75% of their chart by aspect. Bulk of aspects should be of 5° orbs or less.
A) normally has a lot of other energy to balance out its Pluto drive. You'll notice certain likes, dislikes and behaviors that seem SO obviously Scorpio or Pluto related. But as a whole, they are pieces that can be separated from their whole.
B) is a much more self contained energy. The native will tend to have a more controlled or subversive energy about them. They're personhood actually DOESN'T scream 'IM SO SCORPIO LIKE. HEY.' They tend to attract situations of power, chaos and themes of influencing change all around them and it never phases them because that's their normal. They don't see it as talks of power, control or transformation because it's just their life. It's not blatant, it's innate.
Would you consider the people in my examples in OP to be baby Plutonians? Would a Uranus in the 8th suffice? Uranus in scorpio? Uranus in scorpio in the 8th?
What's the difference between Plutonian, scorpionic and an 8th house person to you?
Posted by ShinzoThank you, I think you might be right. I have Jupiter there too... nothing can break my faith for tomorrow, but many of my views are shaped by Pluto as wellPosted by FragranceI would think Mars, Sun and Jupiter in the first house (in that order) would outweigh Pluto in the first since it's a fire house if not afflicted by any other significant planet. Just my opinion but would like to verify that. It all depends on the signs it's in and the aspect it's making really.Posted by exxtasyxDo you think Pluto in the first is a more powerful placement than another planet in the first? I'm not surePosted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
A Plutonian's life is a disaster. You are stripped of everything you worked for. You live a certain kind of life for 7-8 years, then complete chaos happens, you lose everything, including yourself - and then you have to build a new life from scratch. You'll live that life for another 8-10 years, and then it happens AGAIN. This bullbutter is the most treetrunked up thing a person can experience. But you do get stronger and wiser after each experience. And you become a completely different person each time it happens.
I also think Pluto in the 1st House is a very, very powerful placement. Even if you have very little Pluto in your chart, if you have it in your 1st House, you WILL experience this bullbutter.
I have it though + Ascendant + Moon in the 8th + Pluto major aspects. Many people have much more Scorpio energy that that... I can't even imagine what it's like living their livesclick to expand
Posted by firebunnyYes. lol.
britney spears lol! plutonian by way of libra rising. those posters always intrigued me esp if they had libra asc and pluto on asc. quite different energies to be around that angle.
What is a Plutonian person to you?
*Edit: I meant scorpionic. What's the difference to you? Do you still look at Pullen for that?
Posted by HappyCapperSorry, I meant that you can tell by looking at the chart if Pluto is heavily aspected. But if it's not obvious, Pulken is straight forward and easy.Posted by sultrykittyThis is interesting! Is this because scorpio is ruled by both Pluto and Mars and with the 8th house you get your share of mars as well, but with Pluto aspects, you get...yes, Pluto?
An 8th house stellium (depending on planets) would mean having Scorpionic personality traits but not necessarily Plutonian, even though Pluto rules Scorpio, if that makes any sense.
At least that's how I see it.
Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected.
"Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected"
I didn't get that. Why do you Think it is harder to figure out in Pullen if Pluto is heavily aspected?click to expand
Posted by firebunnyIf I see a personal planet that has only one aspect(even if it's monor, tbh, and I seldom count minor aspects at all), I will count that anyway even if it's wide, becaue "the energy has no other way to go". So I'd still Count it, because it seems in that jungle of nothing, Pluto is still the strongest and may therefore feel stronger in the native. But that's just my own theory. What do you think?
ok 1 thing though. even if it is your dominant it is a percentage of your chart but what if your chart doesn't hit a lot of anything?
like me i have a lot of aspects in my chart but i've seen ones i could barely read for coz there were hardly any aspects. i could see those charts having pluto in no.1 but what if they score low in skywriter's how strong is your pluto test?
Posted by sultrykittyOfc that's what you meant. Sorry for being dense.Posted by HappyCapperSorry, I meant that you can tell by looking at the chart if Pluto is heavily aspected. But if it's not obvious, Pulken is straight forward and easy.Posted by sultrykittyThis is interesting! Is this because scorpio is ruled by both Pluto and Mars and with the 8th house you get your share of mars as well, but with Pluto aspects, you get...yes, Pluto?
An 8th house stellium (depending on planets) would mean having Scorpionic personality traits but not necessarily Plutonian, even though Pluto rules Scorpio, if that makes any sense.
At least that's how I see it.
Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected.
"Pullen is the easiest to figure it out, unless Pluto is heavily aspected"
I didn't get that. Why do you Think it is harder to figure out in Pullen if Pluto is heavily aspected?click to expand
May I ask, why not "necessarily Plutonian"? Sure, it may be weighted towards scorpionic energy as compared to plutonic energy, but how little Plutonic could an 8th house placement get, in your opinion?
which one is french vanilla?
Posted by EllycakesI agree with what you wrote from paragraph two and on. I thiiink I agree with the first paragraph as well, but I'm not 100% sure I understand it, so I'd apreciate it if you would elaborate.🙂Posted by HappyCapperhouse energy is compartmentalized parts of our life. 8th house dominants don't appear very plutonic in a classical sense to me. They tend to all carry similar traits though. They typical struggle with verbal ozone the desires of whichever planets fall there. They believe or find themselves at the mercy of others help often, they struggle with constant insecurity battles for whatever planet falls there.
Thanks!🙂
Would you consider the people in my examples in OP to be baby Plutonians? Would a Uranus in the 8th suffice? Uranus in scorpio? Uranus in scorpio in the 8th?
What's the difference between Plutonian, scorpionic and an 8th house person to you?
Scorpio energy kinda differentiates between more Mars types and more Pluto types. And that's determine a lot by the rest of a persons chart. It's why some scorp dominants seem more war like and in your face and others are quiet and reserved. All of that is subjective to which placement we are talking about and how it aspects the rest of the chart.
Plutonians do tend to take on a lot of hardship or at least have it around them. They see chaos as normalcy. They're strong healers or terrible destructive typically, a lot of times both over the course of their life. They tend to have very cyclical patterns too.
Uranus in the 8th in Scorpio makes someone's Iranian nature have a lot of Scorpio flavor, but it's still going to function as Uraniun energy. It's still your higher mind, the blending of your intellect and creativity, your connection to and place with the greater consciousness. Uranus is still Uranus. It might be a bit more prone to psychology and discovering new these parts about yourself through transformative bonding with others, but it doesn't make you plutonic or scorpionic, imo. Like the difference between vanilla bean and French vanilla. One is natural and subtle. The other is artificial, noticeable but still not that same lol
Asteroids and minor points aspects are meh. If you are counting outer planets, especially one as slow moving as Pluto, to minor points or asteroids, they only become relevant if there's a one, maybe two degree connection. Anything over that is silly, in my personal opinion.click to expand
Posted by starwarsI'm old school Scorpio from when Scorpio was ruled by Mars.
what's scorpionic?
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I'm dominant Pluto and Scorpio. ( also Mer and Virgo)
I do have my moon in Scorpio with an 8th house stellium. I also have Pluto trine my Mercury
I do have my moon in Scorpio with an 8th house stellium. I also have Pluto trine my Mercury
Posted by QuantumJust to make sure I understand you correctly: Do you feel Scorpio is ruled by Mars and not by Pluto? Do you go by eastern or western astrology...or by something else?Posted by starwarsI'm old school Scorpio from when Scorpio was ruled by Mars.
what's scorpionic?
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Posted by quarius_xyDoes that mean that a Plutonian person gives 100 out of 100% and that there goes one Plutonian out of 100 people? Just guessing🙂
To be plutonian
100/100
1/100
Posted by EllycakesThank you so much!🙂 It makes a lot of sense - it's pretty much exactly as I see it.
The house system is the progression of our personality as its expressed through different environments. It starts with the ascendant and first house, our outer most personality parts. It cycles through to our 12th, the most intimate and unconscious personhood. House 1-6 being the independent parts of our personality, or those parts we readily share and identify with the outer world. Houses 7-12 are our dependent and inner world personality.
While the houses loosely correlate to their sign themes, 12 houses to the 12 signs, the energy is more like the platform in which the energy shines. The house is like a stage, the planets the actors and the aspects the script. You need to look at all three to tell the whole story, but ultimately our focus is always going to be 'what are the actors doing'. Planets take action, houses are where we receive that said action.
So wherever Pluto is placed, that's our area of challenge, of karmic fate, an area of transformation. It's a planet of difficulty, but also of reward. It spurs action that is the karmic balance, fate, kismet, destiny whatever you call it. Any planets it touches in doing so, it pulls into its plans.
Whereas the 8th is our house of death, of intimacy in our one on one relationships. Marriage is established in the 7th, but tested and deepend (or broken) in the 8th. It's the house of emotional bonding to the other, in an individual sense. I believe that's why 8th house dominants struggle so much. They feel the weight of it, and it looks scorpionic to them, so they try to solve the problem using Scorpio lingo and ways. But they can't because what they should be doing is addressing that planet's placement and aspects, looking for opposition points or soft contacts to redirect the energy. They should actually veer away from Scorpio approaches, (unless of course Pluto or a Scorpio placement creates a soft contact or opposition point) but instead they try harder to embrace the death/sex/dark themes instead of rejecting them.
I hope I made sense lol. Sorta writing on the fly here, no pre planning or editing ha.
But when you write "So wherever Pluto is placed, that's our area of challenge, of karmic fate, an area of transformation" Do you mean both sign and house? I don't pay much attention to the sign placement of the outer planets, except, for instance, if Pluto is in scorpio, that would strenghthen Pluto when it touches other planets, although it wouldn't make much of a difference if it was pretty much unaspected.
I also pay attention to outer planet sign placement if it's in aspect with another planet in, for instance, a square and both planets are placed in same element signs, then the square wouldn't be as difficult. Things like that.
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