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Posted by GetMistedWatch it! I don't think that's good for your back.
Posted by QuantumAh. Thank you!🙂Posted by HappyCapperIt was mostly a joke, but traditionally Scorpio is ruled by Mars AND Pluto.Posted by QuantumJust to make sure I understand you correctly: Do you feel Scorpio is ruled by Mars and not by Pluto? Do you go by eastern or western astrology...or by something else?Posted by starwarsI'm old school Scorpio from when Scorpio was ruled by Mars.
what's scorpionic?
@Reincarnation and not @Quantum
ScorchedEarth/Faceroll has mentioned a few times there seems to be Plutonian Scorps (dark, brooding) and Martian Scorps (action oriented, less socially awkward).
I don't buy into the whole dark, brooding, mysterious garbage, so I guess I would consider myself a Martian Scorp.click to expand
Must say I agree with ScorchedEarth. I've indeed seen both types.
Posted by tizianiI reacted to that when I read it, but thought about it and agreed. I don't know why, atm, but I know I had a reason for it. Don't know how good it was, but...I'll get to you about that.
Wait what makes you both see houses 7-12 as inner world personality?
*Edit: Because of accidental Post Message.
Posted by tizianiOh, I know about the Gemini moon. I often wondered if that's where Pluto really resides - inside the Gemini moons. *nods* Yes, that must be it.😏
Also what if my Moon trines Pluto? Both @Astrobyn and me have that and our Plutos are domicile in Scorpio.
The intensity of Gemini Moons. It's real. It's a real thing.
That Pluto trine to your gemini moons make you both incredible Plutonian. Yup. Think I'm gonna edit the OP.😄
But to answer the rest of the question, Plutonian = Sun Scorpio
Posted by tizianiHmm. 10th house, for instance, doesn't seem to be about inner personality, I don't think.
Wait what makes you both see houses 7-12 as inner world personality?
And also: coupled with dependence. I can see libra, scorpio and aquarius being dependent in some ways - libra needs to partner up, scorpio needs to merge and be known and aquarius need to bounce ideas with people. But take sag, for instance...nah, not so much. Hmm. I'm struggling now.
Posted by QuantumI have a collegue who is a scorpio sun. Her sign ranking according to Pullen is 6.3% scorpio and is ranked as number 7(yes, seven). Is she, according to you, Plutonian?
But to answer the rest of the question, Plutonian = Sun Scorpio
Posted by EllycakesDo you mean it's something along the lines of: as far as you go along the signs, the older and wiser they are? The more thought has been put behind their personalities due to...more time to ponder it?Posted by tizianiThey hold parts of us that aren't as easy to identify on our own. They are further away, buried deeper and often are tested and awakened through others and situations. They aren't often ideals we seek out or can explain easily. Particularly the last four houses. The only exception being maybe contacts to the midheaven, because the angle strengthens it and makes it more noticeable.
Wait what makes you both see houses 7-12 as inner world personality?
That's not really a referenceable thought though, just a personal theory I've developed in my hobbyist years of looking over charts and hearing people's situations when comparing them with transits or synastry.
I'm vaguely aware of some above/below horizon theory that might loosely correlate, but I honestly haven't really studied that enough to explain it properly, just run across it from time to time.
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Posted by EllycakesYup.
Yeah I don't put a lot of heavy emphasis on sign placement of outer planets in personal readings until you start reading them in aspect to other planets. Like a Pluto-Sun square for Scorpio/Aqua will have a slightly different look than Libra/Cap.
House placement does tend to show more personalization in someone's chart though I think. Especially when activated by a transit or close synastry. I limit outer planets to 5° orb for luminaries, 3° for planets and 1-2° for anything else, if that even. Mainly just because people start claiming shit that's not really there and I've never noticed slow moving planets to be that accurate in readings when given a wide berth.
Only exception might be a stellium. Sometimes if one planet is close enough to conjunct but not aspect the planet like the rest the energy will be felt a little bit. Even then though, it can be a stretch. In my own chart stellium my Meecury hangs out a little farther away from my sun/Venus/Pluto, close enough to count as a conjunction. But it doesn't aspect by degree what the rest of the stellium does a lot of times. And I can even notice it that certain aspect readings that apply to my sun/Venus/Pluto don't seem to fit my Merc all that much.
When it comes to orbs, I usually go by 4 degrees for all planets(major aspects, excluding sextiles) and 0 degrees(or pooossibly 1 degree in specific cases) for minor aspects(if I decide to care bout those at all) Sextiles, I usually go with 2 degrees. Asteroids are not something I usually take into account at all.
In stelliums, I tend to allow more room to wiggle. I have even gone above 10 degrees in a 5+ planet stellium, but that's rare. Seems I have to think about that some more, due to your experieinces.
An exception to above rules are when a planet have only one major aspect, then I grant more room(up to 8-9, maybe even 10 degrees in extreeme cases), since the energy has nowhere else to go. That situation is the only instance in which I might possibly use a minor aspect.
Posted by HappyCapperYes...because regardless of what other placements she has, they all filter through her sun.Posted by QuantumI have a collegue who is a scorpio sun. Her sign ranking according to Pullen is 6.3% scorpio and is ranked as number 7(yes, seven). Is she, according to you, Plutonian?
But to answer the rest of the question, Plutonian = Sun Scorpio
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Posted by tizianiReally? I see sag as much more action than that. As the only fire planet in my chart, my sag venus is pretty darn difficult to reign in sometimes. I have always thought it to be an independent sign in itself. Now, I don't especially avoid relationships, even though I don't feel that I need them to survive, but I have thought that comes from my 7th house placement rather than the sag energy.Posted by HappyCapperSag is a pretty dependant sign. They have a duality (man vs animal) that can only be revealed and merged in the company of others. Otherwise they're permanently stuck philosophising all day it seems.Posted by tizianiHmm. 10th house, for instance, doesn't seem to be about inner personality, I don't think.
Wait what makes you both see houses 7-12 as inner world personality?
And also: coupled with dependence. I can see libra, scorpio and aquarius being dependent in some ways - libra needs to partner up, scorpio needs to merge and be known and aquarius need to bounce ideas with people. But take sag, for instance...nah, not so much. Hmm. I'm struggling now.click to expand
all sags have charles barkley dna. no matter how hot they are the day will come that you will see that glimpse of barkley in them.
Posted by QuantumVery true. I can identify. I can have an 8th house Sun square Pluto all day long, but I will always have my cap kernel there, filtering everything first hand. Thank you!Posted by HappyCapperYes...because regardless of what other placements she has, they all filter through her sun.Posted by QuantumI have a collegue who is a scorpio sun. Her sign ranking according to Pullen is 6.3% scorpio and is ranked as number 7(yes, seven). Is she, according to you, Plutonian?
But to answer the rest of the question, Plutonian = Sun Scorpio
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Depends on what site I use, but supposedly I have more Cap influence than Scorp influence even though I have sun and moon in Scorpio.
But that doesn't make me Saturnian.
It DOES make me a SaturnianI influenced Scorpio.
Your friend would be a Plutonian influenced (sign).
But that doesn't make me Saturnian.
It DOES make me a SaturnianI influenced Scorpio.
Your friend would be a Plutonian influenced (sign).
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
Posted by EllycakesNever quite understood the placement of cancer in that dependent/independent theory - cancer seems to me a sign that needs others...to nurture.
Mmmmmmm. More like the farther you go into your house system the more layers you peel back to who you are.
The seventh is the turning point because I feel it's the house where we reach are awareness/longing for another, not solely for personal edification.
There is the sign theory of each one representing a life stage, Aries the infant and Pisces the old man. Which is fun to theorize and I think can be somewhat true. But that's never anything I take into consideration looking at a chart. Really one of the more novelty cat lady Astro fun things if you will lol.
Posted by firebunnyI heard most of the Phoenix Suns cheerleaders had his DNA in them, though.
all sags have charles barkley dna. no matter how hot they are the day will come that you will see that glimpse of barkley in them.
Posted by QuantumThen I would probably call you Saturnian, but as I see it, just because you are Saturnian it doesn't mean you have any less scorpio in you. Having both sun and moon in scorpio, I'd say that's very Plutonian and because of that the HappyCapper system would probably put Pluto over Saturn in your case. But I'm a noob, so what do I know?
Depends on what site I use, but supposedly I have more Cap influence than Scorp influence even though I have sun and moon in Scorpio.
But that doesn't make me Saturnian.
It DOES make me a SaturnianI influenced Scorpio.
Your friend would be a Plutonian influenced (sign).
I mean, I think a person can be both Saturnian and Plutonian.
But I do see what you mean and agree with the theory. I think our differences in reasoning here has more to do with semantics than anything else.
Posted by QuantumLol. I have no desire to be Plutonian - if I could, I would remove half of it.
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
I only wrote this post because since a lot of my astrology research revolves around Pluto(being the major and most difficult parts of my chart), I run across a lot of "Oh, my scorpio Pallas makes me so fvcking Plutonian, intense and zexeee" that I got tired of it.
Just trying to turn the annoyance of it into a funny thing...where I could possibly learn something in the meantime.
Yeah I'm pretty much an idiot when it comes to all this, but from what I've read and what I've understood everything ends up going through your sun regardless. You could have every other planet in Taurus but if your sun is Virgo, you'd still be a Mercurian.
Posted by EllycakesIf we were to really philosophy about this, I wonder if we wouldn't come to the conclusion that, in a way, we all feel good giving of ourselves. Maybe that's really why we do it? Really hope it's not true...but I can't help but wonder.Posted by HappyCapperBecause to me it's a giving of the self for the self, somewhat similar to Virgo. Cancers reap their own benefit from it. They don't nurture anyone when it's of no benefit to themselves. And they're Cardinal too, so there's always a hint of leadership and strength. Think of how many families where the mother figure rules the family and home.Posted by EllycakesNever quite understood the placement of cancer in that dependent/independent theory - cancer seems to me a sign that needs others...to nurture.
Mmmmmmm. More like the farther you go into your house system the more layers you peel back to who you are.
The seventh is the turning point because I feel it's the house where we reach are awareness/longing for another, not solely for personal edification.
There is the sign theory of each one representing a life stage, Aries the infant and Pisces the old man. Which is fun to theorize and I think can be somewhat true. But that's never anything I take into consideration looking at a chart. Really one of the more novelty cat lady Astro fun things if you will lol.
Cancers are very private and independent. All the cancer dominants I know are the most private of anyone, more than caps and scorps I know even. They handle their emotions internally a majority of the time and don't feel the need to bring others into it.click to expand
Posted by starloverNah, you don't count. You only have, what, five planets in scorpio. including sun. *smh* Sooo, not Plutonian. 😛
I am one ~
Pluto second to Venus in Pullen
Posted by EllycakesLOL Just so everyone knows that it's how I see it and not necessarily how it actually works.🙂Posted by HappyCapperHappyCapper system, lol. You're so adorable.Posted by QuantumThen I would probably call you Saturnian, but as I see it, just because you are Saturnian it doesn't mean you have any less scorpio in you. Having both sun and moon in scorpio, I'd say that's very Plutonian and because of that the HappyCapper system would probably put Pluto over Saturn in your case. But I'm a noob, so what do I know?
Depends on what site I use, but supposedly I have more Cap influence than Scorp influence even though I have sun and moon in Scorpio.
But that doesn't make me Saturnian.
It DOES make me a SaturnianI influenced Scorpio.
Your friend would be a Plutonian influenced (sign).
I mean, I think a person can be both Saturnian and Plutonian.
But I do see what you mean and agree with the theory. I think our differences in reasoning here has more to do with semantics than anything else.click to expand
Posted by QuantumLiar!
Yeah I'm pretty much an idiot when it comes to all this, but from what I've read and what I've understood everything ends up going through your sun regardless. You could have every other planet in Taurus but if your sun is Virgo, you'd still be a Mercurian.
I totally believe that we see everything through the glasses of our sun sign - I identify with it myself and I think I've seen it in others as well. I just think we can be more than one, it just shows in different ways.
Posted by QuantumWhy don't you try the cap board?
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
"Why are you all so cold?"
"You only care about money, don't ya?"
"Why are y'all so boring?"
We do get questions about testing, as well, but less about prostate massages. 😛
Posted by HappyCapperYeah pretty much all signs have to put up with crap like that. Geminis have it the worst.Posted by QuantumWhy don't you try the cap board?
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
"Why are you all so cold?"
"You only care about money, don't ya?"
"Why are y'all so boring?"
We do get questions about testing, as well, but less about prostate massages. 😛
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"Why are all of you dirty whores"
"Why does everyone want to murder you"
Posted by QuantumLOLPosted by HappyCapperYeah pretty much all signs have to put up with crap like that. Geminis have it the worst.Posted by QuantumWhy don't you try the cap board?
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
"Why are you all so cold?"
"You only care about money, don't ya?"
"Why are y'all so boring?"
We do get questions about testing, as well, but less about prostate massages. 😛
"Why are all of you dirty whores"
"Why does everyone want to murder you"click to expand
Posted by JahliaLOL Yes, sorry, totally forgot those! How about:Posted by HappyCapperYou forgotPosted by QuantumWhy don't you try the cap board?
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
"Why are you all so cold?"
"You only care about money, don't ya?"
"Why are y'all so boring?"
We do get questions about testing, as well, but less about prostate massages. 😛
"Why can't you say I love you?!"
"Do you care about anyone except yourself?"
"Why didn't he text me back?"click to expand
"When should I text him again?"
I swear, they are requesting "The right time to text a cap is at 8:43PM on Wednesdays" as an answer.
Posted by starloverNaaaaw. You think?😛Posted by HappyCapper😛Posted by starloverNah, you don't count. You only have, what, five planets in scorpio. including sun. *smh* Sooo, not Plutonian. 😛
I am one ~
Pluto second to Venus in Pullen
Sooo overkill
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Posted by cheekyfaerieThat bad, huh? Even with the moon?Posted by QuantumUgh. This is why I avoid the moon sign forum.
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...click to expand
Posted by cheekyfaerieYes, don't even know why I asked. lol It's pretty much one of the points of this entire thread, so yeah, I get you.Posted by HappyCapperLike any major Scorp placement, it's both glorified and vilified.Posted by cheekyfaerieThat bad, huh? Even with the moon?Posted by QuantumUgh. This is why I avoid the moon sign forum.
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...click to expand
Posted by starwarsPlutonian Robot.
I'm Plutonian, I have a heavy 8th house, scorpio my dom sign.
but i dont feel the "intensity" thing you all talk about nor do i have the intense stare whatsoever lol
i cant tell if my curiosity and the fact that im intrigued by whats under the surface, people minds and what make them tick is the effect of all that scorpionic energy or if its my virgo sun, because that so virgoish as well.
i think the only thing that 8th house does is make me understand and get along with scorpios. - but that so virgoish too lol im lost
What does it mean to be Plutonian?
I'm almost typed plutonium. 😆
I'm almost typed plutonium. 😆
Well, Scorpio ASC people already have Pluto as the ruler of their chart. If they have some planets in Scorpio or 8'th house - that can place an extra emphasis on Pluto's strength.
Though, IMO: if Pluto touches your Personal planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) and same goes for ASC, DSC, IC or MC, then - you're a Plutonian (to some extent... how much, depends on how many stuff it touches). It's quite visible visible with the naked eye... the damage - that is (the broken people - in the light). 👿
Though, IMO: if Pluto touches your Personal planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) and same goes for ASC, DSC, IC or MC, then - you're a Plutonian (to some extent... how much, depends on how many stuff it touches). It's quite visible visible with the naked eye... the damage - that is (the broken people - in the light). 👿
Posted by starwarsWhat's in that 8th house of yours? Do you have any planets in scorpio? Pluto aspects?
I'm Plutonian, I have a heavy 8th house, scorpio my dom sign.
but i dont feel the "intensity" thing you all talk about nor do i have the intense stare whatsoever lol
i cant tell if my curiosity and the fact that im intrigued by whats under the surface, people minds and what make them tick is the effect of all that scorpionic energy or if its my virgo sun, because that so virgoish as well.
i think the only thing that 8th house does is make me understand and get along with scorpios. - but that so virgoish too lol im lost
Posted by HappyCapper
“I consider myself to be plutonian by nature Sun in the 2 nd decan of Cancer ruled by Scorpio, Moon in Aries (mars the lower octave of Pluto) with Uranus & Pluto natal in the 8th house.”
“I have pluto square venus and mars semisextile pluto.”
”I have a Scorpio ascendant and Pluto in Scorpio.”
”Scorpio eros/psyche” and ” cancer mars trine Pluto”
”Sun in Aquarius in the 8th house and Uranus conjunct the North Node (and Part of Fortune) in Scorpio.”
“Pluto is conjunct Merc, separated by a degree. My Sun is at Lib on 29th degree”
”My Pluto is in the 10th and it sextiles a Moon/Lilith conjunction in the 8th, and trines my water mercury.”
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Posted by nevesThank you!
Well, Scorpio ASC people already have Pluto as the ruler of their chart. If they have some planets in Scorpio or 8'th house - that can place an extra emphasis on Pluto's strength.
Though, IMO: if Pluto touches your Personal planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) and same goes for ASC, DSC, IC or MC, then - you're a Plutonian (to some extent... how much, depends on how many stuff it touches). It's quite visible visible with the naked eye... the damage - that is (the broken people - in the light). 👿
This is interesting - would you care to elaborate?
Posted by tizianiAgreed. It's pretty bad.Posted by QuantumSeriously it's got to be the most mind-numbing for them. I wouldn't trade places with them on any astro forum right now.Posted by HappyCapperYeah pretty much all signs have to put up with crap like that. Geminis have it the worst.Posted by QuantumWhy don't you try the cap board?
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
"Why are you all so cold?"
"You only care about money, don't ya?"
"Why are y'all so boring?"
We do get questions about testing, as well, but less about prostate massages. 😛
"Why are all of you dirty whores"
"Why does everyone want to murder you"click to expand
Posted by RumiLLOLPosted by HappyCapper
“I consider myself to be plutonian by nature Sun in the 2 nd decan of Cancer ruled by Scorpio, Moon in Aries (mars the lower octave of Pluto) with Uranus & Pluto natal in the 8th house.”
“I have pluto square venus and mars semisextile pluto.”
”I have a Scorpio ascendant and Pluto in Scorpio.”
”Scorpio eros/psyche” and ” cancer mars trine Pluto”
”Sun in Aquarius in the 8th house and Uranus conjunct the North Node (and Part of Fortune) in Scorpio.”
“Pluto is conjunct Merc, separated by a degree. My Sun is at Lib on 29th degree”
”My Pluto is in the 10th and it sextiles a Moon/Lilith conjunction in the 8th, and trines my water mercury.”
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Hahaha. It's funny when I read such stuff:p
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.
i think my venus overpowers my pluto. it's my top 2. pretty interchangeable. they also oppose so that aspect must be so important.
Posted by RumiLI agree, I associate Pluto and Plutonian mostly with insight, psychology, intuition, perceptiveness and introspection. It doesn't have to be obsessive, nor negative, I think. And even if a Plutonian becomes obsessive, their first reaction to that would be to look for ways to root this feeling out...
Hahaha. It's funny when I read such stuff:p
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.
Posted by FragranceAhhh sooo true 😄 .. That's what I wanted to say!Posted by RumiLI agree, I associate Pluto and Plutonian mostly with insight, psychology, intuition, perceptiveness and introspection. It doesn't have to be obsessive, nor negative, I think. And even if a Plutonian becomes obsessive, their first reaction to that would be to look for ways to root this feeling out...
Hahaha. It's funny when I read such stuff:p
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.click to expand
Posted by RumiLYou said it! And reminded me...so I just added somethingPosted by FragranceAhhh sooo true 😄 .. That's what I wanted to say!Posted by RumiLI agree, I associate Pluto and Plutonian mostly with insight, psychology, intuition, perceptiveness and introspection. It doesn't have to be obsessive, nor negative, I think. And even if a Plutonian becomes obsessive, their first reaction to that would be to look for ways to root this feeling out...
Hahaha. It's funny when I read such stuff:p
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.
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Pluto doesn't equate sex...
Posted by Fragrance😄Posted by RumiLYou said it! And reminded me...so I just added somethingPosted by FragranceAhhh sooo true 😄 .. That's what I wanted to say!Posted by RumiLI agree, I associate Pluto and Plutonian mostly with insight, psychology, intuition, perceptiveness and introspection. It doesn't have to be obsessive, nor negative, I think. And even if a Plutonian becomes obsessive, their first reaction to that would be to look for ways to root this feeling out...
Hahaha. It's funny when I read such stuff:p
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.
Pluto doesn't equate sex...click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperThe Gem board is extremely insightful!! I always leave it feeling like an enlightened being. 🙌Posted by tizianiAgreed. It's pretty bad.Posted by QuantumSeriously it's got to be the most mind-numbing for them. I wouldn't trade places with them on any astro forum right now.Posted by HappyCapperYeah pretty much all signs have to put up with crap like that. Geminis have it the worst.Posted by QuantumWhy don't you try the cap board?
I mean..if you want to be Plutonian that's fine.
But then you also are required to hang out on the Scorpio board and be pelted with foolish questions about intensity and testing and rebirth and prostate massages with the rest of us...
"Why are you all so cold?"
"You only care about money, don't ya?"
"Why are y'all so boring?"
We do get questions about testing, as well, but less about prostate massages. 😛
"Why are all of you dirty whores"
"Why does everyone want to murder you"click to expand
Plutonians are those who have
- Pluto as their chart ruler
- 8th house stellium
- Personal planets with hard aspects to Pluto
- Pluto in the 1st house
- Scorpio stellium
No weak sextile or trine shit
Also there's nothing special about them and their lives aren't extraordinarily full of hardships or mystery
- Pluto as their chart ruler
- 8th house stellium
- Personal planets with hard aspects to Pluto
- Pluto in the 1st house
- Scorpio stellium
No weak sextile or trine shit
Also there's nothing special about them and their lives aren't extraordinarily full of hardships or mystery
Posted by RumiLIt's NOT! 😄 Your Pluto has 0 major aspects with any of the personal planets and your 8'th House is empty as well. Thus, its influence is not that strong - it's not something you can feel from time to time - as it would go for those whom have it aspecting their personal planets. Since in their case - it gets triggered more often (in what way, that depends on the planet involved and in what way it's aspected - a challenging/hard aspect or one with a smooth flow). While in your case, the Pluto's influence will be eventful - it will get triggered by a certain event - as shown by its position in your chart. And that's when you'll feel its intensity - accentuated by obsessive power plays and... the pain - an intense level of pain. If you never felt that type of pain that kinda makes you wish you were never born (the painful intensity Pluto at its best) - then you're not familiar with Pluto's influence - not yet... But you shouldn't be afraid, cause this pain has a well defined purpose - a transformative purpose (it's meant to change you), one that goes hand in hand with the saying: what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Cause it does... make you stronger, but it's a painful process that's meant to sever/destroy your weakness. And to overcome that pain... you'll have to learn to let it go... to let it transform you.
Hahaha. It's funny when I read such stuff:p
In that case my chart is entirely super plutonic.
I have Scorpio stellium WITH NN 😛
..but the intensity and all that is typecasted as "Plutonic" is nonsense if you ask me 🙂
Plutonic can also mean one who is positive, non-obsessive and light too. It's always associated with all that is "dark and oh-so-intense, deep blah blah sex blah blah blah" . It's wrong IMO.
So, no... you're not that Putonic. You're Scorpionic. ^^ You have a Scorpio Moon - but it's not in touch with Pluto, none of your personal planets are. If they were, you'd be completely different. Your avatar would look more like this:
The Scorpio influence without Pluto in that mix - it's kinda like a soldier that woks in an office. He might handle some info about wars and battles - but he doesn't know what it's like to be out-there... on the field. Until one day... when he receives a message about his home town being hit and... maybe one his daughters is still alive (cause she was at her dance class that day - which happen to be in the other side of the town), but the others - and his wife... could be among the victims. He wanted to be in the army to protect his family - and maybe he thought he achieved that... that he achieved the necessary power to protect them... but... death is also part of life...
And that's Pluto's domain, be it ones death or the death of a close one... since - the intense pain one could feel at those times (while feeling so powerless) - can have a transformative effect on oneself. Also, when it comes to one's death... that's not necessarily a referral to the actual death (that too will come), it's also about ones ego. This might be more apparent for those who have Pluto aspecting their Sun or the ASC. Might be true that change can be beneficial for everyone, but Pluto can act like a painful reminder for those with Pluto aspecting the Sun or the ASC. And though that intense pain - it forces them to shed their older self (the part that's not helpful to them anymore) - so that they can revive as someone else - someone stronger. Kinda like a Scorpio shedding its skin (that process of revival - that's linked to Pluto and the 8'th house or so called mature Scorpios):
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