DO CAPS FORGIVE—??

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF CAP. MEN ARE THE FORGIVING TYPE?? WELL ME AND MY CAP WE HAVE BEEN SEEING EACH OTHER FOR ABOUT 1 1/2 YEARS IT DIDN'T GET TO SERIOUS TILL ABOUT EARLY MAY OF THIS YEAR WE DO REALLY GET ALONG GREAT WITH EACH OTHER I AM A CANCER SUN WITH CAP. RISING. HE HAS SAID HE LOVES ME, AND I HAVE SAID I LOVED HIM EVERY TIME WE SEE EACH OTHER, THINGS WERE GETTING REALLY GOOD AND WE WERE CONNECTING, AND FELT VERY COMFORTABLE AROUND EACH OTHER, HE WAS COMING TO MY APARTMENT 2 TO 3 TIMES A WEEK AND STAYED OVER IT WAS GREAT...... UNTIL LABOR DAY CAME AND HE SAID THAT HE WANTED TO GO TO A LABOR DAY PARTY WITH ME, I TOLD HIM TWICE THAT IT WAS A FAMILY PARTY, AND THAT I UNDERSTAND IF HE DIDN'T WANT TO GO, I KEPT SAYING TO HIM ARE YOU SURE, HIS REPLY WAS YES...SO THE WEEKEND OF LABOR DAY COMES AND I CALL HIM FRIDAY, NO ANSWER, THEN SATURDAY NO ANSWER I LEFT HIM VERY SWEET MESSAGES JUST SAYING I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO JUST CALL AND LET ME KNOW SO I COULD TELL THEM THAT I WAS COMING ALONE, STILL NO ANSWER....SO SUNDAY MORNING I CALL HIM BUT THIS TIME I AM PISSED OFF AND LEAVE HIM A MESSAGE SAYING OBVIOUSLY YOUR NOT COMING AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CANT PICK UP THE PHONE TO LET ME KNOW....AND I SAY DO ME A FAVOR DO NOT CALL ME OR COME OVER TO MY HOUSE ANYMORE, I AM DONE PLAYING YOUR STUPID GAMES....SO I LEAVE SUNDAY MORNING FOR THE REST OF THE WEEKEND, AND TUESDAY COMES ALONG, AND A KNOCK ON MY DOOR IT IS HIM I SAY WHAT DO YOU WANT?? HE SAYS NOTHING, THEN I SAY DIDN'T YOU GET MY MESSAGE?? I TOLD YOU NOT TO COME HERE ANYMORE, HE SAYS YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE, AND I SAY YES

SO HE LEAVES....I DON'T CALL HIM FOR AT LEAST 2 WEEKS AND HE DOESN'T CALL ME EITHER, SO I START MISSING HIM, AND CALL AND LEAVE A MESSAGE SAYING I MISS YOU AND PLEASE CALL ME....A WEEK GOES BY NO PHONE CALLS.....SO I GO TO THIS BAR WHERE HE HANGS OUT AND HE IS THERE I GO UP TO HIM AND SAY DIDN'T YOU GET MY MESSAGE?? HE SAYS YES BUT YOU TOLD ME NOT TO CALL YOU ANYMORE, SO I AM NOT, I TELL HIM I AM SORRY AND THAT I DIDN'T MEAN IT AND I WAS MAD, HE WAS VERY COLD AND NON-REPONSIVE AND THEN I GO USE THE RESTROOM AND COME BACK OUT AND HE IS TALKING TO SOME OTHER GIRL.....SO I LOOK AT HIM UNTIL HE GLANCES OVER AT ME (WHICH HE DOES) BUT ONLY FOR A SPLIT SECOND...SO I LEAVE, I GO HOME AND GO TO SLEEP, I WAKE UP AND THERE WAS A MESSAGE FROM HIM SAYING THAT HE APOLOGIZES FOR BEING MEAN TO ME BUT ALSO TELLS ME THAT WHAT I DID WAS WRONG, AND HE SAYS I HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON...SO THE NEXT DAY I CALL HIM (BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM TO FEEL STUPID LIKE I DO WHEN I CALL HIM AND HE DOESN'T CALL ME BACK FOR LIKE A WEEK)THAT WAS SUNDAY... I DON'T HERE FROM HIM TIL TUESDAY WHICH IS FINE....IT IS FOOTBALL SEASON. SO TUESDAY HE CALL AND HE COMES OVER I APOLOGIZE AGAIN AND SO DOES HE I SAY I LOVE YOU AND HE SAYS THE SAME, BUT IT FELT LIKE THINGS HAVE CHANGED..THAT WAS A MONTH AGO......SO I JUST CALLED HIM THIS PAST SUNDAY AND LEAVE A MESSAGE TELLING HIM I MISS HIM AND THAT I WANT TO SEE HIM AND TO CALL ME SOON.....THAT WAS 4 DAYS AGO, HE STILL HASN'T CALLED ME....CAN HE STILL BE MAD ABOUT THAT—? BY THE WAY HE IS 43, AND I AM 40......MEN ONLY GET WORSE THE OLDER THEY GET IT SUCKS!!!!! AND IS VERY FRUSTRATING......SORRY SO LONG OF A STORY....ANY OPINIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

This sounds like something I've done (like you)- I note your Aries moon! Mine is in Sagitt.! They do seem to forgive but not really forget completely. They're softer when you're right there in front of them but seems like they can stay hard and cold if you're out of sight. You're probably going to have to a $ $ -kiss some more, and reassure him that you want him still. It takes alot of positive reinforcement to erase the negative with these sensitive guys. I'm like you- I get mad/passionate and then I'm over it and wonder why can't they be?? But they're different...

HIS REASON FOR NOT ANSWERING HIS PHONE WAS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT ME TO YELL AT HIM. (WHICH I HAVE NEVER YELLED AT HIM) I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CALM WITH HIM, I TOLD HIM THAT AND HE JUST LAUGHS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HE WANTS ME TO NOT EXPRESS HOW I AM FEELING..... I CAN'T DO THAT, I HAVE TO LET THINGS OUT IF THEY ARE BOTHERING ME, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS HEALTHY TO KEEP FEELINGS BOTTLED UP....... AS FOR PLAYING GAMES BACK WITH HIM THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I DID THIS, AND THIS IS LIKE THE 5TH TIME HE HAS MADE A PLAN WITH ME AND DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH AND DIDN'T BOTHER TO CALL TO LET ME KNOW....OBVIOUSLY HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH CONFRONTATION... BUT MY FEELING IS IF YOU CAN DISH IT OUT BE PREPARED TO TAKE IT.. HOW CAN MEN BE SO SENSITIVE WHEN THINGS ARE DONE TO THEM AND NOT GIVE A THOUGHT TO SOMEONE ELSE'S FEELINGS.

it's up to the individual. it's superficial to be asking whether a person forgives or not based on their star sign.

Mine did and I was completely contrary and said some untrue things because I was stressed out and any movement forward emotionally was something I couldn't handle at the time. You guys have no idea just what I did to him, but the poor guy forgave me. (I know it's still there underneath the surface and he's probably waiting for me to flip the crazy switch again, but I would probably be the same way so I can't blame him. Suspecting people's motives is something any person with a lick of sense does, but that doesn't mean anything about forgiveness. Time heals that.)

What I like about my cap is that he can forgive without letting it become a reason to emotionally blackmail me and make me feel guilty when I felt guilty enough. But yeah I have to say that in the end it's the two people and how they feel about each other that truly answers your question.

Be fearless and listen to your heartbeat and dance... those are my mottos. If he wants to dance with you then he's a smart man, if not then he's not yours anyhow.

A cap can forgive, I have forgiven my grandmother, she once served me milk and cooks but the milk was not ice cold so I did not speak to her for 30 years. but when she was on her death bed.( I let her know I hoped she would not go to hell because of what she did.

Most caps think I should of never forgiven her but I am just a little soft in that department.

WELL IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE LAME, SARCASTIC SENSE OF HUMOR IS A CAP TRAIT....DON'T GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB JAMES.......DID YOU KNOW THAT SARCASM IS THE LOWEST FORM OF WIT..

CAP YOU THINK IT IS OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO BE RUDE AND INCONSIDERATE, BY MAKING PLANS WITH YOU AND THEN JUST THINKING IT IS OKAY TO NOT CALL AND SAY I CAN'T MAKE IT??

He did not want to be yelled at. I can understand this. look at your post you start out yelling and never stop . Perhaps us caps are just quite sarcastic people. we have fellings to. not that we give a big rats aris about your fellings. we just think with all the yelling you do you would not notice.

yours Mr Rude

Most caps find it hard to forgive behavorial situations -- its because some of us can be so darn discipline 😉

Especially if they have given you advice on something and you refuse to take -- as a result your situation is the same, if not worst.

Yelling?? I had no idea that writing in cap. letters means that you are yelling...I was just avoiding having to deal with proper grammar.....I happen to be a very calm person...James if you don't give a rat's ass about others feelings than be prepared for people to treat you in the same manner...Have you never heard of treat others the way you want to be treated?? It seems to me that cap. men can't deal with confrontation, and expect to be treated with respect, however they think that they can treat others any way they feel and have no consequences to deal with?? I don't think so.

James is drunk most of the time, Floshlls. There's your drunk Cap. for ya!

I have had blood in Al k hal stream before as for people treating me nice or what ever it means very little to me. The harder I am on the women I am around the more they like me if I start being nice they start looking for some one else to treat them like sh-- so we move on with the be my b i t c h an behave or I treat you bad.

they don't behave they want to be treated bad.

Oh james tate, now you certainly know all thats not true

OH no very true, I have a friend whos women used to tell him make me cook for you, make me iron and scrub also make me write bad checks, oH yes she was a tough one. I have never been in an relationship like that. but I know of them the more he made her Iron the better the sex on the ironing board.

Whaaaaa?? What kind of ironing boards do they make in the UK? Titanium reinforced?? LOL 😉

What!!! thats the one of the oddest things I;ve ever heard but maybe its true ... maybe some women are that crazy LOL!

ha! we caps have the honor of the hedonists of the zodiac.
anytime. anyplace. when WE want it.

and yes we do forgive.in the future though,we might be a tad more selective regarding what and whom we hang with..

... i wonder why.

never ever kid yourself helpless is not a word that goes with cap. if we hang we hang alone.

and pry tell in OUI opine what would that be?

I think Caps forgive but never forget. Ten years from now, they`ll still be able to remember what you`ve done to them.

depends on the weather.. lol 🙂 Depend on how much the person means to them.

Cap and a Cancer huh? A polar sign relationship - (basically you two are complete opposites by your default personalities though my Cap friend actually went out w/ a Cancer and said it was great - aside from their emotional side - she said that just depressed her to a point of where they couldn't stand it and just left them - but on the upside - both sides gave each other plenty of space to do what they needed to do) my mom and I are polar signs as well - after 20 years of living with her and her Piecean son (my half brother) they (obviously) got along great - but her and I (and him) all had friction - but I always forgave them - as well as everyone else I've had differences with - just had an argument last night with one of my Scorpio co-workers - (I know - not the same relative sign but still a water sign at that) cause he was being too inefficient in his work - he's easily distracted - but after everything was said and done - I still forgave him - I know he's young and he still has alot to learn and even if he did make a good point (which he really didn't - it was all based on his own personal emotions which was what got him all worked up cause there was a change in policy that had affected him in his financial outlook there - so he basically had a chip on his shoulder and me asking him to be more efficient (as I am his supervisor) was just adding fuel to the fire - but I still find it in my heart to forgive others - no matter what the reasons may be in the argument - cause I find that it's harder to hate someone than it is to accept them...

Cap and a Cancer huh? A polar sign relationship - (basically you two are complete opposites by your default personalities though my Cap friend actually went out w/ a Cancer and said it was great - aside from their emotional side - she said that just depressed her to a point of where they couldn't stand it and just left them - but on the upside - both sides gave each other plenty of space to do what they needed to do) my mom and I are polar signs as well - after 20 years of living with her and her Piecean son (my half brother) they (obviously) got along great - but her and I (and him) all had friction - but I always forgave them - as well as everyone else I've had differences with - just had an argument last night with one of my Scorpio co-workers - (I know - not the same relative sign but still a water sign at that) cause he was being too inefficient in his work - he's easily distracted - but after everything was said and done - I still forgave him - I know he's young and he still has alot to learn and even if he did make a good point (which he really didn't - it was all based on his own personal emotions which was what got him all worked up cause there was a change in policy that had affected him in his financial outlook there - so he basically had a chip on his shoulder and me asking him to be more efficient (as I am his supervisor) was just adding fuel to the fire - but I still find it in my heart to forgive others - no matter what the reasons may be in the argument - cause I find that it's harder to hate someone than it is to accept them...

*Laughs* You are more fiery then you would like to think. I can feel the under current with your writing. Water and fire working together. I only recognize it because it is a trait I myself possess. When I am.. hmm upset I can be passionate well as expressive and a wee bit pushy. Best way to explain this, a chilling calm. I do not raise my voice, I became hmm.. analytical and a touch cynical (oh yes, this is something I have had to work on and was not aware of until really.. lol the Caps brought it out oh and the Scorps can as well.)

You feel deeply for your cap male, I can tell clearly with your post. Good, because you are going to need it. However, there are a few things I would like to point out. With every sign, the male and female will be a little different from one another. I have read a few times that Capricorn's do not like confrontations . The women do not, the men however do. They are fighters, but they will avoid the real issue of the argument and fight for the sake of fighting, especially to make the outcome to there favor. They like (and almost always) need to be right. I will ask you the same thing I do with all my clients who are involved with a Capricorn male. Are you ready to give in a lot in this relationship? Are you willing to fight and compromise but not loose who you are? Of all the signs I have noticed they are the most difficult to become involved with. You have to fight with there career (or any other obsession) they avoid intimacy, they need independence but well as being very dependent and high maintenance! These are things you need to keep in mind when becoming involved, because if you can not handle this.. exit stage left now. I do consulting in relationships in real life.. so much of what I post is personal observation and what I deal with while working with couples and a hell lot of research. Yes, there are some other people we are more compatible with, but we can not control who our heart wants to be with.. so I never try to tell someone that they will never work or that its not meant to me. That is up between you and your partner and how much work you are willing to put in. For the Capricorns, expect to put in a bit more then you will need to with most. Cap's give us a glimpse of what they are capable of, if you have not seen that yet then you might have problems. I posted something on another thread, mind games I think. There is a lot of information I posted there and do not wish to repeat my

myself. Plus a few of the other women really hit on important things. I suggest to read that. Yep, they have a sarcastic witty humor and it is funny when it is not directed at us. Yes, they tend to play mind games, but its different then those that a gemini might play. Your original post was a good example of the games they tend to play. Its not a mind game in a sense to be cruel or even to amuse themselves (Sagi's are so known for their mind games of amusement) with a Capricorn.. there games involve teaching you something, making you eating your words to understand and see exactly how you acted and the outcome. Be very.. very careful if you try to play games with you're capi male, he will win and make you feel like horrible. They seem to have an ability to know how and what to do to get to us. So if you react to something they had done.. take a quick step back, think a long moment before reacting out of passion and address the topic or his/her action while you are calm (you will almost need to be detached and over their little hmm show of disrespect.) Once you are like this, you will be able to express calmly and rationally how this bothered you without giving into your passion and setting yourself up to be putty in their hands. Also, they respond well to this and you will be able to work things out better this way.

Ah yes, and to answer your original question. Do they forgive? Yes, but eventually. With some of us, we can forgive something/someone over night. What is done is done, and we move on. Capi's tend to take longer. The cool thing is they do not really bring it out while in arguments, but it does change the relationship for a bit. It cools their heels and they will be a little more reserved and cautious. Think of it as a game where you landed on a place that says... take twenty steps back. That is how a Capricorn is. They will forgive, but you have to back up and start over almost, but eventually.. you will get past that point.

Oh unless it is something huge. Like an affair. If that happened, its not happening, they can not forgive that. Even if they themselves have had an affair.. its kinda two sided there. Sucks, but the way they are. You have just became tarnished in their eyes.

tznkitten, have a Q 4 u.
What if you hurt them, awile ago (hurt meaning u broke up with them twice), but they came back 2 u even though u hurt them before. How does that work?? Why do Cappys come back?? Is it because they still love u and they put the hurt someone cost behind them—

Good question, TV... You and I are in a similar situation... I am interested to hear more from TznKitten too.

Flosh, we will never forget a major wrong done to us. The small stuff we shake off like it never happened. Don't worry this aint major and he'll be in your arms again. Every single cancer girl I've ever met always had this special look and quality that drove me crazy for
them. The universe had other plans for the cancers and I always lose contact with them for one reason or another.

That is a wonderful question actually. It will not be a easy one to answer for each person is different. We might share some similar quirks, but how we behave will depend upon so many things. The time in our life's, situations, and the person. What cap guy mentioned is something I have observed and found out myself about caps. Men or women in general. Trivial things they will move on and forget eventually. The major things, no they do not bounce back from that. Now the breaking up and getting back together. That's a tricky one, everyone breaks up one time or another. I think the best way to answer this would be the reason you broke up with him. If it was in a ultimatum way to get him to change or even in a sense to control him.. Yes, that is going to coming back and bite you in the ass later. Even know, ten years later my husband will sometimes speak of past girlfriends who had done that to him. He went back to her because there was still attraction but also revenge was mixed in with it as well. After a point with the two of them it became a game of who could hurt the other more. Just make sure you are breaking up and getting back together for the right reasons. Sadly, so many women pull that card just to get control over the guy.. It's not a cool card, it makes it hard for those of us who really do need to break things off, just so we can clear our heads.. and allow them to see what it is they have. Yes *winks* they can become too routine and forget what they have with us.. just as we can be blinded and forget what it is we are sticking around for, that bit of something that makes them special.

Actually... to really answer that question you really would need to know what other signs are in his houses. My husband has Scorpio a lot in his.. makes it hard for him to let go, but in the past I had noticed that Capi's who have sagi or any other fire sign in their chart tend to give it another try or two and if it still does not work out, just move on.. they kinda have the mentality there are other fish out there to catch.

cappy with moon in scorpio.— says anything in particular—?