Do we become Capricorns or do Capricorns become us

Hi all, I'm a new capricorn here, but i ve been reading some of these message boards and am amazed at how much i can relate to questions/answers, etc.
But I was just wondering what you all thought about this...
...maybe be read about what we should be like as capricorns (e.g: silent,lonely and often melancholic) and we start to believe that that is what we are so much that we eventually become it!
For example im at uni in England at the moment and there is a huge emphasis on social events/partying, etc. But I always find myself being 'that quiet guy in the corner' who most people have seen but don't really know...what i'm getting at is that this sounds like other Capricorns on this board, but have i just let myself believe that i will and can never be a different (say more outgoing and 'fire' sign-like) person.
...Not sure if this makes sense as just writing my thoughts as they come to me...I would be really grateful if some of you let me know what you thought.
Hope all is good in the land of goat...
Mark

well if you're having such a problem with it, then why dont you first tell us why you're 'that quiet guy in the corner' in the first place, is it because you're afraid of something?

hi luz, well i guess sometimes i am afraid that people wont like me or will think im boring - i'd rather not say anything than have a really 'fake' converstaion, but other times i think that i am just socially lazy and actually prefer my own company - but i dont want to be a loner!

I am an outgoing cap. I enjoy fighting with outhers in a civil way. Its not often I hold back an opine. so why am I less a cap than most? Mark uk from the island I am guessing?

hmmm, well i think you should just loosen up and not care about others opinions, first conversations arent always 'real' anyway, further the conversation by talking about things that interest you both. Ask questions, crack jokes, just be yourself. So no worries my cappy friend ^^ and you dont have to be loner! in those social gatherings, do you usually go with close friends or what?

thanks for the replys - James if you mean am i from the island Britain then the answer is yes i'm English, where u from? Any reasons for saying 'no' to my aries qu?

Luz - i always go out with a couple of close mates who i feel at ease with, eg: no awkward silences, and as a result few silences as we always have a laugh. But the prob is meeting new people and first impressions, id like to think that i come across as confident and independent, but reckon this is often mistaken for arrogance, and as a result i have quick standard converstions (what i meant by 'fake' converstions) ie: 'Hi how you doing?,etc. but soon turns to 'alright, well take care and i'll see you soon', kind of thing..

You know, I sometimes think I'm the master of "standard conversations". I've had just about every one of them in the book at one point or another, but that comes from being social. Another thing I've learned is that there is, in fact, only so much a person can say anyway. There are definite finite limits in conversation topics and directions. Therefore, fancy words and phrases are often my best friends in many a situation because with so no really original ideas for conversations around, creative and fresh sounding ways of putting things that have already been said is a must. There is a formula for everything these days, because in the wake of a few hundred years of the scientific method and a few thousand years of recorded thoughts and conversations, the universe full of everything has already been analysed, recorded, and catalogued. I try very hard to have original thoughts and things to say, but this was even a virtual impossibility for Einstein a century ago. So, to that end, I don't worry about "standard" conversations that often, I just worry about what I perceive as the far-reaching results of any given conversation.

Ever see the movie "A Beautiful Mind"? If you haven't, you should. I try and live my life like the main character of that movie, trying only to have one truly original thought.

Now, on to a completely different subject of Capricorn nature and myself! The books will never tell you that Capricorns are impressionable, but say instead capricious. I believe the two words are interchangeable in my case, but I'm a special case as I am as much a water sign as I am a Capricorn. Anyway, whether or not the stars, with all their .0000001N of gravitational influence on the neurons that make you think, act, and react, actually hold sway over me, I tend to try and act like parts of people I meet or books I read that really strike me. I started reading about astrology on a whim, I can't even remember why, but the more I read, the more I picked values and truths that I liked and went and incorporated them into my life. It was the same thing when I was a Scout, breaking my nuts over deliberately trying to live each of the 12 points of the Scout Law every day of my life. (That's: "A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent to God," for those wondering. And that's also off the top of my head.)

Now, the reason I'm here is because I was looking for the same thing you were. I was trying to find if astrology actually held true in reality. What I found was a bunch of people with the same thought in mind and a few that already had their mind made up one way or the other. Those who voted in favor of the "science" actually working were always quick with advice on how this and that aspect of a chart points to a solution of whatever problem was being posted, and those who voted the opposite were just as quick to offer real, human advice based on their own real, personal similarities and similar past experiences. Something I learned from Sociology class this past year is that regardless of where or when a person lives, there are cultural universals. Everyone everywhere shares some of the same knowledge and experience.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm still looking to find out if astrology really works or if I'm just wasting my time with all these "happy little coincidences" as my boss calls them. I don't rightly care all that much, I've got more pressing concerns with all the trouble I routinely get myself into. I'm still here on the off chance I can improve someone else's life by offering good advice, information, humor, or thanks. I also like to try and get advice myself, because after all, I'm unique in the world of brainy Capricorns. I'm just another stupid kid. (I haven't posted half the things I've done, so you can take my word on that one.)

Oh by the way- and you all will want to read this- your computer a foot and a half in front of you exerts more gravitational pull on your brain cells than any star. But, then, according to philosophers and the definition of consciousness, even the slightest, least perceptible change in the conscious can alter the future.

well..the only thing that comes to my mind at the moment, is that if you really want to associate with people that bad then just go for it. It doesnt take much strength to start a conversation, but once you start craving it and wanting it so bad, you're going to start thinking about what other people think and i dont think thats the direction you want to head to. So it's best to just be yourself, since once you start not caring about their opinion, you'll loosen up and the conversation will roll in. And have fun with your friends and such and join in the conversations with your friends that they are having with "new" people, so it wont be THAT uncomfortable, yes? yes.

I have a question: are we "human becommings?" or "becoming human?"

It's gonna rain again.....does anyone know how to build a boat from scratch? Hey! aren't you Cappies "builders?"

Yes, Luz 🙂

Yet again everything you've all written above strikes a chord with what i've been thinking about. It's nice to know there are people out there who take the time to question the same things!

Josh - i get the impression you're a bit of a writer! How old are you? I'm studying English at the moment and plan to write for a living myself..

Anyway think i'll just try and loosen up and instead of debating what kind of person i am, just be that person and see where it takes me.

As for the original qu. - 'are we Capricorns, or do we 'brainwash' ourselves into allowing Capricorns become us?' I'd like to think that there is still enough individuality in every person for it not to be true...but that makes the 'coincidences' and similarities between the same star-signs even more intriguing.
...Definitely gonna keep in touch with this site and you lot if thats ok!

to mark uk: The no was just practicing for the pub tonight when I must turn down a bird or two. I am welsh but I try to write american on the boards. I live in canterbury in kent not to be confused with the 13th who lives in kent ucky in the u.s. I lived in new york for a few years. I spend most of my time in a pub called witherspoons a chain pub. I live with a woman up whitstable road. was a salesman became redundent now I drive a lorry or taxi anything to make quid or two. what about yourself? I read your post and right you are. I have a few mates, it seems we always hang together same o same o. we talk football or horse racing. Same woman for 10 years same life kind of a bit of a bore. go up london once in awhile take in a club for a night. we are a whisky drinking lot. so if we use den's machine after a few we make little seince. well welcome aboard.

I didn't know you live with Den...

Welcome Mark, and by the way I am exactly like you in my social interactions with people. It's very strange, I feel very stifled sometimes. But I figure, if I meet the right people, they will bring out my conversational side.

I live at dens place about four nights a week.