Help me understand my Capricorn GF.

I am a Leo, much older than my Cap GF. I'm 48, she is 33. In some respects we are from different worlds. i am just trying to understand her behavior. i would really love a long term deep relationship with her. i never put much stock in this whole sign stuff until I started reading this forum.

Our first date was electric, fireworks. I was very interested in her from the get go. She was a lot of fun. We had chemistry. I've been lucky enough to be successful in life and have taken care of her and her son financially. She lost her job a few weeks before I met her. So the money does play a part in the relationship. I am the Leo, big personality, ego, very loving, very romantic, thinks he is always right......etc.

The biggest issue (for me at least) in our relationship has been her not showing the same amount of love,attention,sugar as I show her. It's so darn frustrating! For the past 2 mos we have been in a pattern of......

- I pour out the romance and love
- While I think she likes this, she doesn't really show it or return such emotions
- I get frustrated,hurt,upset
- I have some drinks my emotions start overtaking me, I get pissed off and have been very mean via texts.
- We break up
- Next day, I sober up, miss her a lot. We talk and get back together
- I pour out the romance..........rinse and repeat steps above.

This last go around was really really ugly and bad. We are currently broken up, I guess. But, reading the forum has really helped me understand her lack of expressing the lovey dovey stuff I crave from her. I don't want to lose her. I'm in love with her. She said "it's over". But, I don't believe that's what she really wants.

Thanks in advance for any advice

I know and the next day I feel like an ass for being such a jerk to her. I ask myself "why would you treat her that way, you care for her?".


The Leo in me says "Hells bells if she would just give me the same love and afffection we would be awesome". Reading the forum has helped me realize she is just not going to act like me. This whole concept of not showing your emotion freely is very foreign to me.

I am probably too emotional, she has said several times "geeez, you act like a girl". haaaa

I have no idea how to do charts.

Me: 7-24-64

Her: 1-17-80

Maybe you could show me how to do the charts?

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Planet Positions, Ascendant, & Houses
The following table shows the position of the planets in your chart, by sign and degree. On the right, you will find the sign of your Ascendant and the signs on the cusp of each house in your natal chart. The Roman Numerals refer to the houses, where the Ascendant is also the first house and the Midheaven is also the tenth house. For example, if the sign Taurus is next to Mars, you know your Mars is in Taurus. If the sign Libra is next to Venus, you know your Venus is in Libra. If Cancer is next to Ascendant, you have a Cancer Ascendant, and if Leo is next to II, Leo is on your 2nd house.


Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Leo 1.39 Ascendant Leo 3.17
Moon Aquarius 0.14 II Leo 21.59
Mercury Leo 25.58 III Virgo 15.16
Venus Gemini 23.19 IV Libra 15.42
Mars Gemini 25.49 V Scorpio 23.31
Jupiter Taurus 21.58 VI Capricorn 1.41
Saturn Pisces 3.50 R VII Aquarius 3.17
Uranus Virgo 8.03 VIII Aquarius 21.59
Neptune Scorpio 15.04 R IX Pisces 15.16
Pluto Virgo 12.34 Midheaven Aries 15.42
Lilith Sagittarius 21.21 XI Taurus 23.31
Asc node Cancer 1.50 XII Cancer 1.41




Aspects
The following table shows the planetary aspects in your natal chart. Short interpretations are found below.



Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Opposition Moon 1.24 -481
Sun Conjunction Ascendant 1.39 501
Moon Opposition Ascendant 3.03 -119
Mercury Sextile Venus 2.40 100
Mercury Sextile Mars 0.09 269
Mercury Square Jupiter 3.60 -43
Mercury Opposition Saturn 7.52 -30
Venus Conjunction Mars 2.31 389
Jupiter Opposition Neptune 6.54 -33
Saturn Opposition Uranus 4.12 -75
Saturn Opposition Pluto 8.44 -3
Uranus Conjunction Pluto 4.31 88
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2.30 22
1369 -784 585



Asteroids & Chiron
The following table shows the positions of the four major asteroids and Chiron. These points are not as commonly used by astrologers, but are presented here for those interested in knowing where the asteroids are positioned in their birth chart.

Chiron Pisces 17.53 R
Ceres Sagittarius 24.19 R
Pallas Scorpio 18.44
Juno Scorpio 19.44
Vesta Pisces 18.34 R
Fortune Aries 0.00
South node Aries 0.00

Her.......

Shelley Sex F
United Junction, OR 41 United States 01/17/1980 12:00 - Julian day 2444256.33
Adjust 8.00 ST 19.34 Lat 45.37 Long 122.49



Planet Positions, Ascendant, & Houses
The following table shows the position of the planets in your chart, by sign and degree. On the right, you will find the sign of your Ascendant and the signs on the cusp of each house in your natal chart. The Roman Numerals refer to the houses, where the Ascendant is also the first house and the Midheaven is also the tenth house. For example, if the sign Taurus is next to Mars, you know your Mars is in Taurus. If the sign Libra is next to Venus, you know your Venus is in Libra. If Cancer is next to Ascendant, you have a Cancer Ascendant, and if Leo is next to II, Leo is on your 2nd house.


Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Capricorn 26.52 Ascendant Taurus 12.40
Moon Capricorn 26.07 II Gemini 11.22
Mercury Capricorn 24.36 III Cancer 2.05
Venus Pisces 2.04 IV Cancer 21.50
Mars Virgo 15.21 R V Leo 15.25
Jupiter Virgo 9.28 R VI Virgo 20.09
Saturn Virgo 26.54 R VII Scorpio 12.40
Uranus Scorpio 24.46 VIII Sagittarius 11.22
Neptune Sagittarius 21.31 IX Capricorn 2.05
Pluto Libra 21.47 Midheaven Capricorn 21.50
Lilith Virgo 21.22 XI Aquarius 15.25
Asc node Leo 29.35 XII Pisces 20.09




Aspects
The following table shows the planetary aspects in your natal chart. Short interpretations are found below.



Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Conjunction Moon 0.46 491
Sun Conjunction Mercury 2.17 556
Sun Trine Saturn 0.02 139
Sun Sextile Uranus 2.06 123
Sun Square Pluto 5.06 -17
Sun Conjunction Midheaven 5.03 198
Moon Conjunction Mercury 1.31 404
Moon Trine Saturn 0.48 82
Moon Sextile Uranus 1.21 111
Moon Square Pluto 4.20 -19
Moon Conjunction Midheaven 4.17 144
Mercury Trine Saturn 2.19 85
Mercury Sextile Uranus 0.10 211
Mercury Square Pluto 2.49 -48
Mercury Conjunction Midheaven 2.46 232
Venus Opposition Jupiter 7.24 -39
Mars Conjunction Jupiter 5.53 127
Mars Trine Ascendant 2.41 40
Mars Trine Midheaven 6.29 11
Jupiter Trine Ascendant 3.12 21
Saturn Sextile Uranus 2.08 65
Saturn Square Neptune 5.23 -6
Saturn Trine Midheaven 5.05 15
Uranus Sextile Midheaven 2.56 16
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0.16 56
Pluto Square Midheaven 0.03 -10
3127 -139 2988



Asteroids & Chiron
The following table shows the positions of the four major asteroids

I have no idea what any of that means

My best male friend is a Leo. He has charm, charisma, fun, generosity, a huge heart, lots of love to give the right girl, BUT, he is clingy, needy, demands a lot of attention and reads way much into things and works himself up into a tizzy mentally. Yes, he's like a girl. lol!

I have helped him through a break up (that's been on-going for a YEAR now). He gets with her, gets his feelings hurt, gets back with her, breaks it off, says he's over her, wants her back. Whew!!! It is exhausting.

So, to get to the point, I see how he has a strong need for love and attention, as well as lots of ego stroking. If he doesn't get that, he assumes things are over. It seems to me you and he are very similar.

Honestly, I don't think I could ever be with him because I just don't have the energy to do all that ego stroking for anyone. I, as a cap, need an independent man, who is stable, dependable, responsible, strong emotionally, self confident, trusting, reliable, secure, ambitious and has a lot of self driven qualities.

That said. You are doing to this girl what my Leo friend did to his gemini. You are smothering her. She will need her space. You are working yourself up with doubts and insecurities - that is a turn off. Be more trusting and secure. You are appearing to try to buy her love - that rings false to a capricorn. You are expecting her to provide you with your self esteem - be more independent.

Leos and caps can get along famously, UNLESS, you smother us. Back off, be understanding and provide her the space she needs. Trust her. Fuel your own ego and don't expect her to do it for you.

Personally, after the second accusing text it would be long gone and over. I'm not one to tolerate that (ask the cancer I dated and broke it off with). So, she obviously has feelings for you or she wouldn't keep allowing you back. Caps can walk away coldly.

I think you need to show her the things I mentioned and have a talk with her. Both of you need to set boundaries and discuss your expectations. Communication is the only way it will work. Be honest about your insecurities (don't worry about it being a turn off. The fact you are aknowledging them is okay, but don't go overboard and be all whiny about it. Just let her know, when this happens...I feel....and I just wanted you to know where I am at. Don't tell her to change, but she will be more willing to understand your point of view. Then LISTEN to her point of view because she will likely say when thi

this happens....I feel this....right back to you.

You definitely need to stop drunk texting. Perhaps you should put a breath analyzer on your phone?? 😛

You will also have to be willing to accept that she probably isn't going to be able to shower you with the emotions you so want. We are more into showing that expressing. We appear cold to Leos. We're not really, not on the inside. Once we trust and completely love you, and are very secure with you, we are more able to show our love.

You can't get your feelings hurt over the little stuff. Learn how to recognize the actions and learn to be okay with that.

She does need to hear how what she does affects you though so you two can understand each other and learn when to and when not to take things personally. You can work through it if you love each other.

Sangfroid is who you need to talk with - she's a cap woman with a Leo.

These placements can appear harsh to a loving, gentle Leo:
Sun Capricorn 26.52 Ascendant Taurus 12.40
Moon Capricorn 26.07 II Gemini 11.22
Mercury Capricorn 24.36 III Cancer 2.05

Go to cafeastrology.com or alwaysastrology.com and look up the descriptions for those placements and it will help you understand she can't help who she is. She will be in total control of her emotions and that cap mercury can be pretty sharp tongued. But there is a lot of humor and fun in those placements too.

Yep, understanding is all you need.

Sorry to ramble so much.

Posted by MA😆ADDY
I know and the next day I feel like an ass for being such a jerk to her. I ask myself "why would you treat her that way, you care for her?".


The Leo in me says "Hells bells if she would just give me the same love and afffection we would be awesome". Reading the forum has helped me realize she is just not going to act like me. This whole concept of not showing your emotion freely is very foreign to me.

I am probably too emotional, she has said several times "geeez, you act like a girl". haaaa

I thought of something else to mention. She is going to have a very difficult time expressing her emotions with all those cappy placements (I have the same, by the way). She's not going to be anything like you.

BUT, here's a positive. If you understand each other, you have a lot to learn from each other. Be open minded together and she will show you how to control your emotional breakdowns and you can show her how to be more comfortable in expressing hers. This could be a positive if it is perceived in the right way by both of you.

Truecap that was awesome and I agree with you. Her not being open and all lovey dovey is when my Leo mind says "she doesn't give a poop about me!". When i am pretty sure deep down inside she does.

Honestly, I just didn't understand and have tried very hard to make us work. She is a great woman. Now that i found this forum i understand. I just hope thats it's not too late 😢

I have Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Capricorn.

Honestly sometimes I feel like I don't even HAVE an emotion about things. I don't feel anything unless it is an extreme emotion one way or another. I have a tendency to be quite indifferent about most things. It is nothing personal to other people.

A lot of times I get so focused on one thing or another that I just forget about everything else.

Last night, for example, I was working on a project, my boyfriend was working on a project in the same room. But he kept trying to interact with me, ask me questions, etc. and it just annoys the hell out of me. I really am not a good multi tasker. I can give you attention or I can work on a particular project. I will do either or 100% but I cannot do both.

I do care very much for people, but I am not the most expressive person in the world.

Is it going to piss her off that I posted about our relationship on here?

*is she going to be pissed

how will she know?

YES! Don't tell her... HELLO! *hits max on the head*

She's cold because she is a Cap through and through. It doesn't mean she doesn't care. You're the reason I don't like Leo's... just saying.

"You've got Venus in Gemini which means that when it comes to love you're kind of erratic, one minute you want one thing and another minute you want something else. This makes it kind of difficult to please you. Do you see yourself in this description?"

No, not so much.


"In any case, as TrueCap said, if you smother her, she'll run for the hills and leave you stranded in the Savannah my fellow Leo. The problem is that it's really hard for a Leo not to do it when you want/need to "feel" the love coming from the other person."

Good advise. She does tell me I text too much 🙂

Needy much— You'd drive me crazy too!! This goes against every suggestion here... let her chase you, if she doesn't want you, she won't! Calm, cool and collective is what you need to be!

Posted by MA😆ADDY
Truecap that was awesome and I agree with you. Her not being open and all lovey dovey is when my Leo mind says "she doesn't give a poop about me!". When i am pretty sure deep down inside she does.

Honestly, I just didn't understand and have tried very hard to make us work. She is a great woman. Now that i found this forum i understand. I just hope thats it's not too late 😢

This site has helped me understand my aqua. Lots of good opinions and advice here.

Posted by WoundedLeo
She's a triple Cap (Sun, Moon, and Mercury), so she can seem very tough and cool, but she has a Venus in Pisces which means that she *CAN* and *DOES* feel love. The problem is that she's probably a bit in love with the idea of love.

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All people are capable of emotion.
I have Venus in Cap and I have emotions. I just don't feel like I have to express it all the time. I also don't feel a certain way about things that do not affect me.

I greatly appreciate everyones input. I now feel like I have a better understanding of her and our relationship or what was our relationship.

I actually meet her on a sugardaddy site 🙂

I need a sugar daddy!!!!

No, I don't. The reality of it is I would feel like a prostitute. 😢
Caps are usually way too independent for that. However, I'm sure there are some that are gold diggers.

Well, I have seen a lot of women off the sugardaddy site the past 5-6 years. She generally only asks for what she needs to pay her basic bills. Which is unlike 95% of the other women who want to go shopping,travel or in general are only about the cash.

Then about 2 months ago during a fight she said "screw you buddy and your money. I'm going back to work because I feel like you are using the money to try and control me. No man will ever control me."

Thats not really how a gold digger behaves, trust me I have known dozens.

Granted it is a odd relationship considering how we met. However thru all the up and downs we are still together so there has to be something there

I have had to change how I think a little with her.

I am cocky, large ego.....etc.

I am also very sexually dominate, I was 50 Shades long before the book was released. I am used to being the boss. I am used to driving the bus.

I have had to scale back that way of thinking with her a little. I want this to work out, but Lord have mercy it's been work.

*cocky not chickeny

WTH? c-ocky

I am an egotistical SOB, but not a jerk. People and women usually love me.

No offense taken 🙂

Why are you willing to pay someone else's bills while they don't want to work? Or do you like them completely dependent on you? I'm not against you, but I just don't understand.

I'm afraid she's going to end up resenting you. Caps really are an independent sort deep down. We don't like being bossed, being wrong or being controlled. We don't want to owe anybody anything.

And I don't understand how she, as a capricorn, is comfortable with this arrangement. She's not working, it's like she's your mistress (read prostitute/comcubine/submissive) instead of your girlfriend.

How in any way can this be a 50/50 relationship? Its not. You have the money, you have the control. She will come to resent you I'm a-feared.

Wow, a sugardaddy site. I didnt know a site like that even existed. Where do i sign up?

Why does she not work? Not only will she resent you, but you will end up resenting her. She has you considering to make adjustments while paying her bills. Thats not fair to you, and she needs to work regardless. She shouldnt just consider it in fear of being controlled.

Now again, where do i sign up lol? Jk

"Why are you willing to pay someone else's bills while they don't want to work? Or do you like them completely dependent on you?"

Well, the short story is I am divoreced with three superstar kids that I spend a lot of time with. Having an arrangement with an attractive younger woman was just easier.

But, the night I met Shelley (the Cap in question) it was instant banging awesome chemistry. I fell in love with her quickly. It was crazy, I thought about her 1,000 a day. Then I scaredof being hurt because she didn't give me all that wonderful love and romance I was giving her.

I just didn't understand her and her lack of emotion. Sure she would sow it a little. But, I am a Leo I love that stuff. So we have had our struggles the past 6 weeks. Thanks to you guys I feel like I have a better understanding of her.

By the way, she went back to work yesterday against my wishes

Question: Almost every Cap woman that has replied and my GF use the word "trust" a lot.

Trust meaning........?

Again I am just trying to understand her so I can make her happy.

@Metoo...........thanks for your post.

Its very hard for me to be patient because all this romantic emotion I feel for her flows out of me like a river.

Posted by truecap

Sangfroid is who you need to talk with - she's a cap woman with a Leo.

Trucap - any Leo women with Cap men you could suggest for advice?

I'm confused.. pretty sure you called this an "arrangement with a younger woman" that was more convenient for you than actually dating, which is why you're enlisting services of a sugar daddy website, right? But you think she's an actual girlfriend, but one who says things are done as soon as she gets a job lined up, like she's done doing business with you?


In all compassion, I feel like you know this answer to this one, right? In fact, as a 32 year-old Leo with a Capricorn rising I'm pretty damn sure you know the answer to this thread.


Either way, good luck. If you were my brother I'd convince you to get off that website and never give your money to women as part of an explicit arrangement. You can do better than that..

LOL, it's fine I like honesty. It's not the fact that she went back to work thats the issue it's where she went back to work thats an issue.Which is a whole different can of worms. Probablty not suited for this forum.


Pura........yes meet her there, but that was not the vibe from the start. It was more romantic on both ends from the start. It's a very complicated realationship due to many factors. by far the most complicated relationship I have been involved in. But, I care for her deeply.

prostitute? stripper? I wanna know

Or in your case Inana04 a young man that prefers a black man inside him

well the amount of money she needs isn't a big deal to me. I retired from Wall ST at 41. So I guess everything is relative.

Y'all are way to caught up on the money, this is about love

"Why not encourage her to go back to school and do what she really wants to do? "

I have encouraged her to. Again the against my wishes wasn't about her working, but where she is working

Posted by MA😆ADDY
Or in your case Inana04 a young man that prefers a black man inside him

wth??

She went back to work in a night club bartending

Hmmmmmm,Caps move slowlllllyyyyy. At a snails pace. I live life in the fast lane. Perhaps it's useless of me to date a Cap?

Heavy drinker, not really once a week or so I'll have some drinks


I have learned a lot on here and appreciate everyones insight

Posted by leolady69

Posted by truecap

Sangfroid is who you need to talk with - she's a cap woman with a Leo.

Trucap - any Leo women with Cap men you could suggest for advice?

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I'm sorry. Woundedlion used to be with a cap. Maybe she can help.

Posted by MA😆ADDY
Question: Almost every Cap woman that has replied and my GF use the word "trust" a lot.

Trust meaning........?

Again I am just trying to understand her so I can make her happy.

Well, what does it take for you to trust someone?

What qualities do they have to have? How long do you need to know them before you trust them? Etc. Answer those questions for yourself and then apply that to this relationship.

Posted by MA😆ADDY
well the amount of money she needs isn't a big deal to me. I retired from Wall ST at 41. So I guess everything is relative.

Y'all are way to caught up on the money, this is about love

Just remember: You can't buy love.

Do Cap women see a lot of relationships not last because guys get impatient. Y'all are a lot of work, lol.

Her and I would probably be fine if not for my idiot drunken rants. I just didn't understand her. I feel like I do now. So no need to go on a drunken rant about "why don't you give me the love,romance and attention I give you? You must not care!!!".

Y'all see that as needy, I see that as "isn't that the way a woman is suppose to act if she's into a guy? WTF?"

She is still really pissed off about the last drunken rant on Saturday. But, we are still texting and talking.

I should probably shut and and let her decide if she can get past that or not. I'm just not a very good at being patient. I want to know are we kaput or moving forward

So........

Her and I have been talking and texting all day. Nothing too serious or heavy.

Then I say to her via text

"I'll make you a deal and a promise, if you are game"

Her reply...."depends, but I will hear you out"

I say......"I'll give 110% to make sure you are happy,feel safe,secure and loved. If you give 110% to make sure I am happy. Love is a two way street"

Her reply "haaaaaaa"

WTF? Every woman on the planet thats in to a guy would LOVE to hear that, no? Am I insane?