Trouble talking to male cappy.

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I'm a Scorpio with cancer moon, capricorn rising and the male is Capricorn with virgo moon (not sure of his rising).

We have been talking for a couple of months now.. At first he asked me if I wanted to have a 'casual' relationship with him, to which I explained that I needed to get to know him better first and that I couldn't really do those types of relationships without getting my feelings involved.

Eventually I changed my mind (once I felt I knew him a little better). We haven't actually gone through with it yet and once again I have changed my mind. Upon getting to know him better I've decided that I definitely couldn't have a relationship like that with him...it will have to be all or nothing..other wise things will just get messy on my part.

He is rather confusing though so I have no idea how to go about telling him this.

He's very hot and cold and at times he even acts affectionate to me i.e. giving me pet names like hun, babe, sexy (I know that doesn't mean much), He says I'm cute when I blush and sometimes says he wants to cuddle with me...and then other times he goes back to being just 'casual' or straight out distant.

I have lots of trouble figuring him out. He doesn't seem to want to really talk about anything important..so I can never find a way to weed my way into the 'I want more' conversation.

So I guess I'm looking for advice on how to best approach it and just cap males in general when it comes to this sort of thing...I just feel so lost and almost insecure at my lack of being able to get a read on him.
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Thank you both for your advice, both of you make a lot of sense!

I didn't realise it was a scorp sun/ cancer moon trait to know what we would feel ahead of time! haha but that's good I was starting to think I was being too emotional about it all.

His venus is in pisces and mine is in capricorn (I have 6 capricorns and 5 scorpios) but I'm not too sure how to kind of add those things into the equation, I've only just recently started paying more attention to things other than the sun sign.

I think you're right, scorpio_chic, in saying that "he means what he says and says what he means" which makes me think he may not be a player...just really honest about what he wants...but I also feel the need to agree with cappyluv30 about him sounding like a player trying to flirt his way into my pants. The reason I think this is when I explained to him at the beginning that I just can't have relationships like that he said "You never know, I may get feelings too". I told him he wouldn't because he's a man and men can detach more easier than females to which he said "I dunno, I don't sleep with men" (yes I have a very good memory! haha) Do yeah..that's kind of added to the confusion as well.

I also had the same idea as you, scorpio_chic, with cooling off a bit and waiting for him to bring it up himself. The last thing I want to do is scare him off by being emotional too soon. I also don't want to seem like I'm leading him on. I do have a lot of trouble ignoring flirting and sexual attention from men when I'm attracted to them though...I have a feeling how ever this turns out...it will be a big learning period for me.

Is it bad that I kind of like the idea of gas pedal, break, gas pedal, break? I just like how I've never met anyone like him before...I'm not one for a challenge but my gosh!! For once I do kind of like the suspense of 'not knowing' and slowing down...usually it's full steam ahead for me and then thinking about what I've done afterwards haha.

Thank you cappyluv30, for your advice, I know I've mostly replied to scorpio_chic but I have definitely seen what you've said and absolutely taken it on board to see how I can get myself out of this strange situation!! 😛
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Oh wow! Sounds both exciting and scary all at once!! You're cap sounds absolutely adorable!

Well he's opened the conversation up and I ended up telling him how I felt...I didn't over load on him, I basically told him that there is definitely no way I can have a casual relationship with him without my feelings getting involved and that I'm worried I will end up getting hurt.

I think that even though I held back it may have still been a little too emotional for him. He hasn't said anything back about it...gone ice cold really... I'm not sure if he will even talk to me again but I guess if he can't handle what I've said then he's not right for me and it's best I know now instead of later.

If he can't handle it though it would be nice to have a friendship.

Is it too much of me to expect him to respond to what I've told him? I'm happy to wait it out if he needs time but I don't want to wait if I'm just going to be ignored.
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Aww it's so nice to talk to people who actually understand what's going on for me and in turn I can understand them as well!

He's 25, I've read a bit about young vs older caps but I'm not quite sure where he fits in. He's extremely hard working so I assume he can't be too immature.

It is a bit of a slap in the face, though, to tell someone something so personal and have them say nothing in return. So I hope you're right about the friends thing.

I think also because of the strong cap influence in my chart that I've probably (or possibly will become) gone just as cold unintentionally so I can kind of understand but at the same time I just want him to say something...anything...even just "oh ok..." haha.

Men and their strangeness!!
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giving back to the forum since some advice was given to me about something I asked about earlier. I am a cap, although twice your age, so not sure if my advice applies. You should probably ask him to define casual. If he means 'no commitments' then he has most likely already made up his mind he doesn't see you as a potential long term mate and just wants to engage in sexual relations to satisfy his libido. Could it grow into something more? Perhaps, but why take a chance on getting burnt? Personally I don't like to engage in casual relationships like that. Sex without love is lame and bores me.
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Yup I would have to agree as well but I think that happens to people regardless of signs. For instance my brother who is 18 and Virgo is absolutely chivalrous, he's been brought up by my father but I know he knows how to treat/respect females. I also know that one true heartbreak will turn him into one of those horrible men who are all out for their own. I don't think it takes much for a woman to break a wonderful man...sadly 😢

Ok an update on my situation. This Cap in question seems to have decided to COMPLETELY ignore what I've told him and instead carry on talking about other things. I told him how I felt on msn...I'm too shy to have been able to say that face to face, and he's usually at work when we talk...which is the main time he's on msn.

At first he ignored me all together for a couple of hours. Then he started talking to me about a favourite comedian we have in common...which I thought was rather strange considering what I had told him earlier. The only different thing he's done since I told him is he actually said goodbye before going offline...he usually just vanishes.

Can capricorns really pretend something never happened/was never spoken? For me (I don't know if it's a scorpio thing) I will be analizing the crap out of it...even if it might seem that I've forgotten about it.

Also are caps generally fake? What I mean by that is...if he was just in for the 'fun times' and now I've said no...would it be typical of him to keep talking anyways or just completely get rid of me?

Sorry for all the questions, by the way, I know nothing of this sign and I'm finding it very intriguing.
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haha maddening might be an understatement...it was more down right hurtful, but in saying that, I am a pretty sensitive person. I feel like grabbing him by the collar of his shirt, shaking him and yelling "Don't you have anything to say about that?!?!?!?" *Big angry face* 😛

Is there a way I can stop him just talking to me when he wants something without cutting him off all together? Because before you had pointed that out I actually hadn't really realised that he was doing that even before I had changed my mind.

I really cannot handle that kind of thing..because as far as I'm concerned..that IS fake. Or at least self-serving which would explain the 'I use' part. But surely there is a way to counter that haha 😛

But seriously, would it be ok to just ask him what he thinks of the things I told him...or would it do more harm than good? Should I just basically forget about him and let him take the lead now and show me how he feels by action? (keep in mind that 95% of our communication is done online so he doesn't really have a chance to show me by real actions).
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i find that adorable amethyst XP i find tired girls are completely vulnerable to my flirtatious ways....well cancers anyway. and yes ive been hurt aplenty. recently...aqua girl quits on me after being together long distance for 9 months almost. she didnt have the patience to wait for me. now shes chatting up different guys and getting her heart broken again. i like how they are quick to move on while us caps remain behind cold and alone trying to understand how someone cant wait a few more months to a year for someone. if you love me youd wait right? no matter what lol. so yes ive been hurt...but it hasnt changed me cause ive alwasyyyyssss been inlove with women. always. i have a soft spot for them and im completely sweet and kind and generous. yes i may have been used but most my chick friends love me for these traits and im sure its hard to let me go haha. and i doubt my ways will change. im waiting for love to find me. hopefully soon but im pessimistic lol. and typical scorp...do not give in. whatever you do. be friendly with him. if he doesnt want a relationship he wont change his mind. unless he can see he would be good with you. untill he knows your safe. itll take alot of time trust me. im easier than your typical cap cause i do fall quickly...just has to be that attraction. but im sure he feels sexual because your probly drop dead gorgeous and have that aura about you. im sure he will be craving your scorpio sexyness for a while untill it becomes a want and need then finally he may be interested in having you to himself. we can be pretty possessive.

but alas im not really one to give advice to older women lol. im sure they know better than me. pluss scorps are suppose to be our best match 😆
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If you can still be an awesome guy after all of that then you are an awesomely STRONG guy, great stuff!!

I'm not older and your advice is good. Especially since I was about to become a meany scorp to him, so you saved me! haha. I ended up asking him (on msn once again) if he had read what I said. He told me he had so I said "Oh ok I thought maybe you hadn't because if you had I thought you might of had something to say about it". His only response was *shrug*...I was definitely about to get my angry face on.

So I will take your (and everyone elses) advice and: Not cut him off yet; be nice and not too emotional; not fall for anything that comes across as him 'wanting something'; annd...I can't remember the rest but yeah haha.

I actually read through this messageboard quite a bit before I joined and posted my own message and I've seen a lot of posts from you, HappyCappy, and it's quite obvious that you're a sweet and kind person. I'm sure in time you will find a wonderful partner who can bring to the relationship everything that you do as well! Just got to weed out those bad ones first unfortunately!
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what do you mean pfft? difficult. anywho yeah i can be a very good person at times but usually im just a naturally empathetic person so being mean isnt my character lol. even if im angry with you im not mean cause i hate confrontation. i like peace and tranquility. i mean who wants to fight and get hurt all the time? no reason for it 😆. but thanks for your compliments. im sure ill find the perfect woman for me. as long as i am loved im content. this cap guy seems difficult. you display affections and he goes cold. id hate that from some one i am trying to befriend. i guess just be patient. if nothing comes out of this then thats that. cant force someone to just change. they will do as they please and will change in due time if they find you valuable as a friend. we are pretty selective of our friends. and only a few select we want to get close to haha. i can become quite clingy with some friends.
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Thanks everyone for your awesome advice! You've really helped me get at least a little bit of understanding with him..and I'm guessing a little is quite a lot with this guy! haha

The funny thing is, is that although he ignored me explaining things to him, he now talks to me so much more...almost a 100% improvement. So that's added some extra confusion but for some reason I think that might be more to do with him as an individual and not his star sign!

So thanks again guys! 🙂
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true....i mean trying to convience me of doing anything takes some proding and poking...and even then i may not change lol but if what i do hurts someones feelings or if im annoying or if im bothering...i kinda cool it down or something. or back off. i usually get this from people who dont like being smothered...i.e aquas. i just wanna tell my friend to shove it...i do alot for her least she can do is let me post on her fb more than once. guess im still angry over that....
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They can be extremely self-centered, but I think by watching my cap has taught ME to be a little self centered too, and it's not such a bad thing. As a scorpio, we rarely keep people in our lives that have little use. Let's be honest.. that's human nature. If one is not adding happiness or something else to your life, but instead, if they take away from it or do nothing for you, do you keep them around? Probably not.

I didn't realize 95% of your communication is via the internet. Yuck! Definitely don't submit to that type of situation.. If he can't pick up the phone to call you or have a real face to face conversation, I don't know how he's even keeping your interest.

When I was younger I did a lot of that online dating but it was because I was a bit of a commitment phobe myself. It wasn't the commitment I was afraid of, but 'getting in too deep' then getting hurt as a result is what always scared me. The distance always allowed me to get those butterflies in my belly when so-and-so logged on, but I didn't have to deal with any 'real' feelings. It wasn't until my mom pointed out to me the reason that I dated these long distant virtual boyfriends, that I realized how I was cheating myself.

I know that your guy is local so my little story was a little off point.. LOL but the fact that he's local & communication is still minimal sucks even more!! I need consistency in my life, and if you're anything like me (which I'm assuming you are.. scorp sun, cancer moon) you need that too! And you deserve it.



You are so right with everything you have said! Getting rid of people who have no use but also about the reasons for dating. I actually didn't realise I was a commitment phobe until I saw a programme and someone on there said they have no problems commiting, it's the trusting and being vulnerable that they can't handle..always finding reasons for the person to hurt them.

It's actually my fault that we have mainly online contact. I use a wheelchair and this guy (in my opinion) is pretty attractive, he did not care at all when I mentioned my wheelchair...in my experience people usually feel a little shocked at first and then after a while not care..so I was reluctant to trust that he will always feel that way.

Amethyst2002 said something really interesting...the more respect thing.. My mother and a few others have said that as well because he started actually paying a whole heap more attention to me after I declined the casual relations
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Hmmm not only did that quote not work but not all of my message was posted!! haha. This is the rest.

Amethyst2002 said something really interesting...the more respect thing.. My mother and a few others have said that as well because he started actually paying a whole heap more attention to me after I declined the casual relationship. But lately he seems to be making some really cutting remarks. I'm not sure if he's doing it on purpose or not realising what he's saying.

Two days ago we were talking (on msn again) and I noticed he was manipulating our conversation to steer it into a direction he wanted it to go. I told him I liked it because normally I can squeeze myself out of it when I avoid stuff with other people. His reply to that was "I think you flatter yourself a bit too much" I was so offended when he said that because I was telling him I loved his ability to keep me in line (essentially) and he said that...He ignored me after that, he didn't want to explain what he meant and didn't even accept my apology when I said sorry if I had offended him.

In saying that I know I can be pretty sensitive when people say things like that to me (things I wasn't expecting) But I didn't show my sensitivities to what he said and I could have easily accepted his opinion if he had of backed it up with a reason...I've been wanting to ask you guys about that as well but I thought this thread was dead and didn't want to keep going on about my male problems haha 😛

I have no idea if maybe he's just showing his true colours now and doesn't feel he has to be all nice and charming anymore or if somehow I've hurt him by saying no to sex...OR if it's a capricorn trait to have the ability to sting like a scorpio! lol.

This man never ceases to confuse me!! 😛
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it happens. we have our bad sides....just some are weaker than others. ill be honest...he sounds like a crybaby asswipe. maybe he is cool some days but...wtf is up with the FWB thing...i couldnt do that. knowing me id get all attached and stuff. sorry if a cap man hurt you. and what scorpio said...human nature to get rid of people who adds nothing to your life. thats a big thing for caps...if your worthless to us we throw you away. its all about profit. all about you adding to our lives. and if you do that for us we will probly treat you very well in most cases. i know im pretty good to my friends.
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it happens. we have our bad sides....just some are weaker than others. ill be honest...he sounds like a crybaby asswipe. maybe he is cool some days but...wtf is up with the FWB thing...i couldnt do that. knowing me id get all attached and stuff. sorry if a cap man hurt you. and what scorpio said...human nature to get rid of people who adds nothing to your life. thats a big thing for caps...if your worthless to us we throw you away. its all about profit. all about you adding to our lives. and if you do that for us we will probly treat you very well in most cases. i know im pretty good to my friends.



Your comment on the FWB thing is quite interesting. When he first asked for that kind of set up I initially said no because I can't do that without getting my feelings involved. He said "You never know, I may get feelings too". Two things went through my head when he said that: Wow this guy is kinda sensitive, men don't usually say OR think that (In my experience) then straight after I thought...He knows how to play the game better than any man I've met before him.

So I kind of brushed it off as a joke or his way of getting what he wanted.

The next time I said no he ignored me, as I've said here many times, but eventually we talked about it (kind of) and he said it was biology that men can have relationships like that without feelings being involved.

Also before I said no to FWB the second time he would refer to...I guess the sex basically...in a really sensitive way. Instead of saying it out right he would say "I really want to cuddle with you" and things along those lines.

Mind you now that I've said no again he hasn't been very charming. He's stopped calling me hun, sexy, etc and stopped being so sweet/sensitive.

I'm still absolutely confused as to why he's still talking to me even though he won't get what he wants. Most men bugger off after that but he's paying so much more attention to me now.
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....maybe im an alien....i have no sign. i know im sensitive...and clingy. those are my bad traits my aqua friend pointed out. well to her im clingy only because shes reclusive most of the time...and i like talking to my friends. maybe i am clingy and im being defensive....i sound like a cancer...wtf. is wrong with me. well, FWB aint gonna happen. either we are together or we are just friends....i cant say something wont happen if im drunk enough and we actually have a close bond as friends...but yeah. this is comming from a guy who...is still innocent enough.
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....maybe im an alien....i have no sign. i know im sensitive...and clingy. those are my bad traits my aqua friend pointed out. well to her im clingy only because shes reclusive most of the time...and i like talking to my friends. maybe i am clingy and im being defensive....i sound like a cancer...wtf. is wrong with me. well, FWB aint gonna happen. either we are together or we are just friends....i cant say something wont happen if im drunk enough and we actually have a close bond as friends...but yeah. this is comming from a guy who...is still innocent enough.
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Well I think this experience with the male cappy has come to an end 😢

I picked up on him manipulating questions into getting the answer he wanted (if that makes sense) so I said to him "Ooh mister manipulator!" He called me 'Miss excuses'. He carried on so I said "you're a manipulator, but I like it, normally I can squeeze my way out of things like that" To which he replied "I think you flatter yourself a bit too much" and I haven't heard from him in a week 😢

But oh well, now I don't have to waste my time analysing what he says and how he acts! So it does kind of feel like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders haha.
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Oooh I know what you mean about feeling bad for unknowingly hurting people! I guess it's my sensitive scorpio coming out but it's really cut me!

When he said it I thought it was actually a joke..I mean..in my mind I was giving him a compliment! I love a guy who is more observant and mentally stronger than me! I was like "haha what do you mean?" I go no answer..eventually I appologised saying my compliment had obviously gone down the wrong way..said sorry if I offended him that it wasn't my intention..and yet he completely ignored me!

It is hard not to care..what I find hardest is that I really don't feel I did something wrong so he's taken me the wrong way and he's not even man enough to explain it to me. I would have loved (and respected) him saying what he said if he was able to back it up with a reason but ignorning me after saying something so..strange..is absolutely weak in my eyes.

And it also really deflated me being told I flatter myself a bit too much...for all I know maybe I do but I've been so nice to him and spent heaps of time getting to know things about HIM that I really don't think I had time to 'flatter myself'.

I'm kind of glad you understand what I mean with this latest thing that's happened but I think it's also frustrated me a bit more haha! Probably because I can relate to you so I'm feeling for you AND me 😛
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Posted by amethyst2002
The guy has issues. He's an attention whore trying to get reactions out of people because he gets off on it. The other night, he was telling a mutual friend how he was going to take her boyfriend to a music festival, get him drunk so he could go fuck hot blonde chicks, because he knows that's a sore spot for her based on a past experience. Who does that, seriously? The way he said it and the look on his face was kinda disgusting. He gets off on that shit.



Wow the guy I talk to does things like that too!! He hasn't said that exact thing but he seems to think he's gods gift to woman...woman should give into him...and if they do then they are loose biatches!

I'm not going to quote everything in here because so many things have been said since I was last here I can't keep up haha.

I don't know about you but for me one of the things that hurts the most is that I HAVE put up with the tantrums and the uncalled for nasty remarks. I HAVE ignored them afterwards and not brought it back up and I HAVE waiting for him to come around on his own time.

What about me? I mean..after all the stuff I put up with he's never realised that hey..I'm still here accepting him as who he is when I think a lot of people (especially those who don't believe in star signs) would have just ditched him by now. From reading all of this I almost feel like a mother to him with out the appreciation afterwards! haha.

Oh and the other annoying thing is seksi is a slap in the face. He acts just like this guy I'm talking about (obviously I'm only judging on a small part) but I have a feeling seksi is just entertaining himself and maaaay be a nice person. 😛
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Amethyst2002 Don't appologise! I'm loving reading what you guys have to say. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who has put such time into thinking about this stuff. Also it is a very similar situation so I'm def learning from your experiences.

Just by you saying that you've realised what he's said to you is more about himself and only some of you...I've realised that this could quite possibly be the case with my cap. I'm so shy and I also have a few confidence issues (I have social anxiety disorder) that I don't see how there could be room for me to flatter myself...not in an extreme way at least. I am also very sensitive to others. if they're feeling down I want to find a way to make them happy again or even just to get a laugh out of them. I was focused on him the whole time because he was being so difficult and cryptic that I was having trouble getting to know him. The only time I brought the attention to me was when I needed to explain something..I have trouble explaining things if I haven't experienced it so sometimes in order for me to get it out it would have been I, I, I; Me, Me, Me (just like in here, all of my posts are I, I, I but I THINK I manage to include others in it as well).

But the main thing that made me realise he was talking more of himself than me was when we realised both our caps have a strange attitude to some woman. If that kind of attitude isn't self flattering than I don't know what is! hahaha

I'm also like you and ellessque, I'm drawn to people who seem to be a 'puzzle' of sorts or the minority or anything like that. I guess in some cases that can be a good thing...you meet and make friends with depth to themselves, you also get to have 'odd' experiences...but I guess there is a downside to wanting to figure people out too...like when you meet a guy like we have 😛
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In the 'olden days', women slapped men who asked, "wanna screw?". They were actually insulted. That was the end of it. No rehashing, no trying to be nice to an idiot after. What is the point in talking to him anymore after he has revealed himself to be quite clear in his intentions which are basically saying, you're good for a f & that's all.

If you are capable of a fwb you have to accept he will not feel any responsibility towards your emotional well-being (fwb rules dictate that both parties are using each other for sex and that is all).

It's clear-cut for men. Put him in the same category he would put you; 'dump after using'. He should have to crawl through broken shards of glass on his knees to get you to look at him again, much less talk to him.
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Posted by Mistery
In the 'olden days', women slapped men who asked, "wanna screw?". They were actually insulted. That was the end of it. No rehashing, no trying to be nice to an idiot after. What is the point in talking to him anymore after he has revealed himself to be quite clear in his intentions which are basically saying, you're good for a f & that's all.

If you are capable of a fwb you have to accept he will not feel any responsibility towards your emotional well-being (fwb rules dictate that both parties are using each other for sex and that is all).

It's clear-cut for men. Put him in the same category he would put you; 'dump after using'. He should have to crawl through broken shards of glass on his knees to get you to look at him again, much less talk to him.



I think if you had of said this a couple of weeks ago, or even a couple of days, I wouldn't have been ready to listen. I mean...deep down every woman who isn't ignorant knows all of that already but it's funny how our minds can change the situation!

I've also had quite a few offers for FWB, like amethyst, and I've also told them where to go (I imagine that's what people mean when they make tree and butter references 😛 ) but this guy successfully let me believe that he was different. Especially when he carried on like normal after I had once again said no (we never ended up going there btw) so yeah...to be treated like I HAD gone there and now I'm just trash is pretty low.

As for things on my front he still isn't talking to me yet. For some reason I have a feeling he's already forgotten about it and would probably carry on like nothing happened if I spoke to him tomorrow (I could be wrong but that's my gut feeling). But me being my stubborn self I refuse to speak to him first concidering he's the one who was being judgmental then played the silent treatment game. I think it might be completely over. And I'm sad to say it but I think that may be why I'm finally ready to take on advice like Misterys.
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Yeah I think you're completely right! Also I'm a pretty straight up person, I prefer honesty over 'beating around the bush' to save someones feelings so even if he had of just said something like "well I have no use for you if you don't want to sleep with me. Seeya." I would have been like sweet as man, see you around. But he didn't; he carried on as if we could be mates..which then led me to think that maybe we could work on the friendship and eventually have something more meaningful than a FWB relationship.

I just hate it when I don't know where I stand and I hate feeling like I'm not completely clued in on a situation that involves me...maybe it's just that I don't like to feel I have no control or something but yeah...

I've actually been wondering if he's also autistic (if he is it is very mild) because I just don't get how he could be so...unsympathetic..and there was a couple other things that he'd done to make me wonder as well.

No matter what though I'm still in the 'unknown' and it's just a really frustrating place to be!

I actually think it's funny how similar our experiences are. I'm not in the same area as you, I'm in a completely different country, but if I wasn't I definitely would have to stop and wonder! 😛