Really could use some insight here!

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First of all..HELLO!
I have been lurking here a while and have found some really great information and insight, thought I might as well join in gather more!

I have a few questions for you Leo experts out there.
I have been seeing a Leo man for a few weeks now and he is driving me nuts. I am a Pisces, my venus in Aries, he is a Leo with venus in Virgo.
We have been flirting with each other via facebook since the begining of the year and finally I got him to meet me for a drink a few weeks ago. I can't tell weather or not this guy is truley interested in me, or if he is just after a fling. He keeps his cards very close to his vest. He raises three young daughters on his own and has little time for dating so he has only Friday nights free basically. I have had to initiate the Friday night date pretty much routinely, he basically has only asked me if my Fridays are free, it is then up to me to say hey lets go out. Of course, he tells me he only has Fridays free, and for some reason I believe this of him as we usually end up talking most other evenings, I do know he has a line of women a mile long chomping at the bit for his attention. He told me on our first date he is not one to chase and judging by his actions I believe him! I however am not prone to chase either so this is a new ball of wax for me. It is clear to me he is sizing me up, but I am not quite sure of his intention. I know that he would appreciate getting me into bed, but I am not ready to go there mentally...phyiscally...ohhhh ya. He does not come on too strong in that arena either which is actually quite refreshing. We do have a good time when we go out, plenty of laughs and good conversation, he is a very attentive listener, pays attention to detail, sweet all around...

I have made it quite clear I am attracted to him both physically and otherwise, and given him those ego boosts Leo's tend to love so much, I havent overdone this. I genuinely like who he is but he gives me no indication of his thoughts towards me. It is evident his wheels are turning though and I cant for the life of me come close to figuring out where he might stand,I am frustrated. Should I ask him out again Friday, or make him ask me? I am getting tired of asking, makes me feel needy. I would however be a bit peeved if he didnt ask! lol.
Any insight here would be so appriciated!
Thanks!
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don't do anything. least of all 'make him' ask you out on friday!! don't believe one single word of what he tells you because then you can't be shocked or disappointed when his behaviour continues to confuse you. they key to what he thinks of you is in the way he behaves and not in the words he spouts. when men have an agenda they will pretty much say anything to get what they want....irrespective of sign....it's not always bullshit but mostly it is and if you have the attitude that every man is full of shit until they prove otherwise with their ACTIONS, you really can't go wrong.

put him on ignore. send him to the naughty step like you would a child and don't acknowledge him until he's considered his behaviour and decided if he's gonna make some changes.

and a leo who doesn't like to chase——— there is no such thing, lol!! every single leo man i know loves nothing more than to court the attention of women. it may mean absolutely nothing but they just loooooove that and they get all full of themselves, lol.

don't let him play you. make him chase you. the only way is to run in the opposite direction 😉
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hmmm...perhaps a little more inight into him.
He has had a couple bad relationships, the mother of his three girls with whom he was married to for ten years is/was nothing short of a full blown crack whore. Literally. She would disappear for days, and her dealer would call him up to come and get her when she ran out of money and he had had enough of her. He from what I understand dealt with a similar nutcase of a gal prior to her, so I can see where he is guarded and cautious. However he comes off, and seems to have all of his ducks in a row. The line of girls I watch fawn all over him via facebook don't impress me much...attractive they are, but appear almost desperate in seeking his attention which he doesn't seem to give back to them at least not out in the open. I myself tend to respect what I think is his rather private nature and keep my flirtations with him to a more private forum. It is clear though if anyone was paying attention that we have been dating. It is also clear that he had dated, or perhaps is still dating another. I am tend to think he is no longer seeing her as he stated to me "I knew there was a reason to go out with you than spend most of my time with that brunette". So either he spends most of his time with me, and none with her, or, he is saying he spends more time with me than her..lol...not sure. I think he is just seeing me though.

I do wish he would take control. I don't really enjoy being in the drivers seat, but he has gained my attention in a big way.
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So then if I am understanding correctly, both of you ladies are quite right, and is my gut which tells me he is very cautiously testing the waters and will not take on a more aggressive role until he is certain I fit the bill. I must however be cautious if he is playing the field.

AND...if this is the case, do I continue to ask and persue?
This man is like no other I have met before...frustrating and yet so intriguing.
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He is out of your league. When was the last time you saw a fish thriving in the Jungle? It just doesn't happen.

Summary

1 He has a string of women a mile long.

2 You ask him out he dosn't ask you out

3 He determines the days and time. You are on his schedule

4 He told you he doesn't chase. That's exactly what every Leo wants to do. It's in our nature.

5 He wants to get you into bed. Whether he told you or not you picked up on it.

Conclusion

Sleep with him if you want. That's all thats going to some out of this. You can't unring the bell. If he wanted you for real then you would know it. When we are interested in a person they know with 100% certainty. We are not subtle people. We tend to roar. There is hope. He probably hasn't even decided with that Libra Moon. So if you really want to snag him then you have to do something that the other women don't. Play hard to get.

He is probably a really nice guy. He just has too many options. A man or woman for that matter, is only as faithful as their options. It's not his fault. He was BORN THAT WAY.
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Posted by Nala13
He is out of your league. When was the last time you saw a fish thriving in the Jungle? It just doesn't happen.

Summary

1 He has a string of women a mile long.

2 You ask him out he dosn't ask you out

3 He determines the days and time. You are on his schedule

4 He told you he doesn't chase. That's exactly what every Leo wants to do. It's in our nature.

5 He wants to get you into bed. Whether he told you or not you picked up on it.

Conclusion

Sleep with him if you want. That's all thats going to some out of this. You can't unring the bell. If he wanted you for real then you would know it. When we are interested in a person they know with 100% certainty. We are not subtle people. We tend to roar. There is hope. He probably hasn't even decided with that Libra Moon. So if you really want to snag him then you have to do something that the other women don't. Play hard to get.

He is probably a really nice guy. He just has too many options. A man or woman for that matter, is only as faithful as their options. It's not his fault. He was BORN THAT WAY.



Out of my league is a strange choice of words. I wonder when the last time a lion could survive in their own jungle without stopping by the watering hole...there are certainly fish thriving in the jungle. 🙂

Perhaps you are right Nala my friend, perhaps a little hard to get is just what he needs. This is a man who tells me he has never chased a woman, they just fall in his lap and by the look of him and from what I have seen and heard, I would buy it.
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He has a history of picking unstable, needy, sick women. BIG red flag. He picks them for a reason. And they pick him for a reason.

To be honest, and hopefully gentle, you seem somewhat needy too. If he doesnt ask you out on Friday, are you going to be ok with that? Or does your life depend on being with this man to the point you will suck up your own esteem and continue to do all the "heavy lifting"?


He will notice your value when YOU notice your value. Rigor Mortis is dead on here. Follow her advice to the letter. And fwiw...My cap brother raised his 3 kids alone, their mother is a drug addict and he had relationships. having kids doesnt make a single dad less responsible in relationships. Dont make excuses for him, or for you.
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Mine looks like this!

Zodiac in degrees 0.00
Sun Pisces 18.43
Moon Aries 15.31
Mercury Pisces 6.35
Venus Pisces 29.22 R
Mars Taurus 1.54 V
Jupiter Scorpio 5.28 R
Saturn Taurus 5.39
Uranus Libra 7.31 R
Neptune Sagittarius 0.53 R
Pluto Virgo 26.16 R
Lilith Leo 10.12
Asc node Pisces 11.59

I dont tend to write anything off persay, I do believe very much in astrology, but it is what it is.
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Posted by BigGirlPanties
He has a history of picking unstable, needy, sick women. BIG red flag. He picks them for a reason. And they pick him for a reason.

To be honest, and hopefully gentle, you seem somewhat needy too. If he doesnt ask you out on Friday, are you going to be ok with that? Or does your life depend on being with this man to the point you will suck up your own esteem and continue to do all the "heavy lifting"?


He will notice your value when YOU notice your value. Rigor Mortis is dead on here. Follow her advice to the letter. And fwiw...My cap brother raised his 3 kids alone, their mother is a drug addict and he had relationships. having kids doesnt make a single dad less responsible in relationships. Dont make excuses for him, or for you.



You are so very right, though I am not needy, at least I dont think I am! I am perfectly fine if this man does not step up though admitedly I would like that. What attracts me most to him honestly I think is his seemingly picky nature. It is clear he isnt about to settle for anything less than what he sees as perfection as far as a serious relationship goes and I am much the same way. Our values are in sync, our life style s in sync, he's smokin hot and hopefully has learned from his past relationship mistakes and choices in women. I have made a few bad choices in men myself and am not about to go there again. I am basically sniffing him out just as much as he seems to be sniffing me out. What is so frustrating about it all is that I am not used to this sort of behavior, I have not had a man not chase me, drool, all that other crap that actually makes me cringe to a degree which is probably why I find him so interesting, a challenge if you will.
Him not asking me out will not make or break me by any means...would I love this...ya..probably because my ego is as big as his...well...almost. If he doesnt, I just go forward and be thankful for that experience. I do have my big girl pants on too. Took me a while to figure out how to do that though admittedly! 🙂
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well his libra moon explains a whole lot! seriously smooth tongued i would say. i have the same affliction but fortunately tempered with a scorpio sun (yeah, right). i can only reiterate....don't listen to bullshit, sit back and let HIM do the running and if he doesn't, he never had the inclination to. there is nothing subtle about a leo in pursuit...that's why the lionesses do all the hunting lol (according to national geographic jynja!!).

and as for the kids scenario. i disagree but only based on the leo men i know with kids. they'll palm them off at the first opportunity if they have to for something important to them. key word important. besides, i'm a kinda single (😄) mum with two kids and to be frank, i've used them as an excuse to keep men at arm's length many times!!

what is he supposed to be 'protecting' them from anyway! the OP hardly sounds like an axe-weilding maniac!!!

seriously OP....you must fortify your bullshit guard with this man!!!
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Out of my league is a strange choice of words. I wonder when the last time a lion could survive in their own jungle without stopping by the watering hole...there are certainly fish thriving in the jungle. 🙂

Perhaps you are right Nala my friend, perhaps a little hard to get is just what he needs. This is a man who tells me he has never chased a woman, they just fall in his lap and by the look of him and from what I have seen and heard, I would buy it.
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Sorry I haven't mastered diplomacy and tact but I am working on it.

Yes, those words seemed the most appropriate. I can kind of tell from his placements an approximate age. Therefore, he has had time to perfect his game playing. Have you ever saw a cat catch a mouse. They don't kill it. They simply play with it, smack it around, and throw it into a wall. The mouse just gives up and dies. You never see any blood. The cat didn't kill it.

I think I am beautiful, sexy and smart but there are men who are simply out of my league. They would have my whole paycheck and be living in my house within months. It's difficult to recognize them while in the midst of the situation but they are out there. These men pick up on vulnerable women. As BGP said he picks damaged women. Why do you think he does this? They are easy pickens. This Leo does not want what you want. As long as you are aware of that then you should be ok. I don't want you to be misled thinking this is going to turn into something because it is not. 😢 Leo and Libra together might be the most lethal combo when it comes to the opposite sex. Both signs are people magnets. If you combine them and you have some other kind of species. Again, he is advanced. Just you wait and see.

While I would never think this dude is Seraph...we have our own Leo/Libra man right here. Hang around long enough and you will see the woman and the comments they make towards him. He could have his way around DXP if he chose. He I think, is man enough to not take advantage of it. This Leo dude you have ..um me thinks not.


The fish in the jungle comment was to say fish don't come on land where the cats are but you certainly see cats going in the water.


I would look for a nice stable Earth sign. Earth and water go well together. I would like to see you happy.
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Seems he has an appetite for skanks, BEWARE! He will not chase you if you're a good girl, loyal type of woman, birds of a feather flock together and if he has thirsty women fawning all over him well that's his thing, that is what he's into, his ego is thirsty so thirsty type women gravitate towards him, it's an mirror effect, the type of women he's into is a reflection of him.

Tread carefully or the lion will most certainly hurt your feelings. Also a few things stood out for me, one is he doesn't chase. WHAT LION DOESN'T CHASE? very questionable behavior, possibly too many options not enough time, if you're chasing him then you're already losing IMHO. Lions go after what they want, rarely will you be confused about if he's into you, he'll DISPLAY his interest quite quickly, he's a fire sign, there is no guessing because he'll make it clear he's into you be it physically, emotionally, mentally or all of the above.
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Well Gang,
You have all made me think, and I do so appreciate all of the input as it is very valuable to me. Clearly I have found a group of very smart ladies. 🙂

So where I sit now. Still in an odd place! Friend of mine on facebook hit my wall suggesting we have a girls night friday. I responded with the truth, being that I dont know if I can due to the fact I may work late (she and my gal pals live a bit of a distance away so if I work too late its kinda a bum deal). My lion friend must have caught wind of this, he messaged me later in the evening this "I guess grapeville is out Friday". So naturally I respond with "well I didn't know it was an option as you never asked". Then he says "well I am not sure". PFFT! So he sort of asks me out...he is clearly toying with me. The rest of our conversation was our normal flirty teasing each other.

I have deicded to take the information and advice that I have gathered here. Should I meet him Friday, which is still in the air and knowing him will be in the air until Friday itself rolls around, I shall put the cards on the table, and he will be asked to do the same. He is aware of where I stand, I like him, seems to be a decent guy, friends have said he is a decent guy. I am not about to jump in his bed. I suspect he is willing to throw his cards on the table as well, whatever they may be, for in our conversation last evening we were joking around, he said he found me mildly amusing, so I asked him if I am only mildly amusing why do you bother, he said you'll have to ask me that in person, so I assume he has something to say.

My bullshit radar is on!

I do really want to thank all of you for your input, it has helped me tremendously. It is good to know a girl has a place to go to get some sound insight and clear her head. I will be sure to keep you all posted...see how this all goes down. There is but one thing I know, and that is I am not about to be that mouse that gets thrown up against the wall...lol....love that analogy...been that mouse before!
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no! no! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! he's got a libra moon. STEP AWAY FROM THE CARDS. DO NOT APPROACH THE TABLE!!

yeah, he's toying with you. all you can do is refuse to be toyed WITH. disappear. don't go on facebook. don't acknowledge any texts he may send. step back and wait for him to CALL you. if he's not keen enough to get the message by you being unavailable by any other means, it's gonna tell you all you need to know.

leo men can be dicks when they're after a little attention. some of them seem to forget that a lions truly attractive quality is their honestly...to the point of brutal....the bullshit versions are nothing less than liars.

if someone....ANYONE is interested in you, you should know it without a doubt. if there's a doubt there's usually a reason.
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So Jynga should we not call an ass an ass simply becasue he is one of us? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are it is not a cow.

We can't blame all his negative traits on his other plcaments and then say the good traits are because of his Leo sun. You know we can be more than an handful

All, I am saying is a Leo/Libra or Libra/Leo combo is no match for the ordinary mortal. You need to kinow this before you go there.

Libra men in general are hot. Leo men in general are hot. Leo/Libra men are hella hot and they know they are hot because women tell them all the time.

If the man is not developed he will use this to his advantage.We don't know this man. All we have to go on are his placements and what Deepblue has told us.

WHERE IN THE HELL IS SERAPH —
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OP..I can tell you as a single father that the issue is not you its the mother of his kids...if he is a single father taking care of kids then...he will have to process the mother out of the situation.Leo men want to hunt and it throws us off when we have to take care of cubs...its a strong mental blow when that happens because we try to choose the mother wisely and when it does not work out its very hard to deal with. But of course we are very sexual and those needs have to be met thats where you come in. On this situation you will have to roll at his pace .....if you push to much he will reject you because the kids are more important so be there if you think it is worth the wait and if you do in the end he will be loyal to you. But to protect yourself go on with your life check in now and again.....and when he sense the pull back....he will be there for you....hope this helps
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+1 Nala, Rig & Mack

Do not continue to chase a lion, HE WILL RUN, synonymous for cat and mouse games, he's alluding to Friday but not directly asking you out, that's a cat and mouse game, don't get caught up with that, put on your QUEEN ATTITUDE--I'M JUST TOO GOOD FOR THAT--Instead of asking him a question about the date your answer should be WHAT TIME ARE YOU PICKING ME UP--9:00 such and such place, see yah there and he'll most likely begin to treat you quite differently than the rest but if you act thirsty for his attention, time and energy by chasing behind him by initiating dates every Friday night as if you don't deserve a Saturday night date or a Thursday night date then the lion will not feel he's got someone special, if the lion sense he HAS CAUGHT YOU he will not budge because he doesn't have to, that is the position you want to AVOID. Look beautiful, be beautiful, don't be afraid to be a Queen--have a queen like attitude when it comes to how you're going to be treated, if you want to know what that looks like follow Leo women around DXP, get to know Leo women and you'll notice something special about them that sets them apart from other women. You must set yourself apart from all the other thirsty women that's chasing him or you won't get very far.
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Posted by ellessque
okay, I read the OP's posts.

All stars aside....I don't think it matters in this case...tbh

"I do wish he would take control. I don't really enjoy being in the drivers seat."

Then don't.

Seriously. Stop putting in the all this extra effort. Interested in him or not, you are clearly not comfortable with where this is at right now. It's not going to get better.

If you have to force yourself upon someone to get a small window of their time....I'm sorry, it's just not worth it.

You made it clear you had fridays open....for now. If he's interested in a date with you on a friday, it's up to him to ask you.

If he doesn't in a reasonable timeframe so you can fit it into your schedule, MAKE OTHER PLANS.
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i was talking about the leo sun/libra moon combination which is what i've had a bad experience of. my scorp sun/libra moon didn't help either!! it is a really challenging combo in a man cos they have way too much charisma for their own good and they know how to work it with that libran charm and everything's pretty and perfect even when they're fucking you over!

seriously, i've never been so painfully charmed in my entire life and even though i have an iron will, it's a tough battle cos i personally find him irresistible....like all the bad shit matters not cos he's so goddamn convincingly, sincerely, off the charts charming. but at the end of the day, you just get let down a whole lot cos for some leos with a libra moon (seraph of course excepted), their words are cheap and get cheaper every time they let you down.

when i met one of these leos, i took every word they told me as being true. now, i don't know what was true and what was a lie but i know that a better policy would've been to assume everything's bullshit until proven wrong.
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Deep,

The universe sent you an opportunity to be your own woman and NOT wait on this man, at the last moment, to see if HE wants to be with you on friday when your friends asked you to go out.

You did NOT decline them cus of your work, but because you are willing to wait until the last minute for this lazy leo to ask you out.

"Why treat a man like a priority when he treats you as a mere option".

Go read "Why men love bitches".
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yeah...it's fun doing that BGP. 'oh friday? shit you really should've said sooner cos i've made other plans now'. simples!

gets 'em every time although having said that i had a similar palava with the knobhead and although it took months to get to a stage where i would even consider arranging a date, he damn well didn't follow through anyway!!!!

i got so infuriated in the end that when he last suggested we meet, i told him to just call me if he was in the area and if i was in great and if not, tough titties. you CANNOT give these men the impression you give a fuck. not one fuck is to be given at all if you want to hook one cos it's the only thing that makes them sit up and take notice cos their egos can't stand it.

i'm not entirely sure you have to act like a queen either cos i know some leos who have been with proper skanks but you have to be like a carrot dangling on a string..and he's the donkey. hopefully he'll be hung like one and wanna eat your carrot.

i'm not sure i know what that meant.
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Listen to great wisdom...BGP--NALA & RIG are on it!!

To Clarify Queen, I know the women in my family have this Queen attitude but it's more about ESTEEM, more than it is about being a bitch, for example you took the tough titties approach rather than continue to be the nice accepting it's okay kind of attitude with him, Queen is the I don't give a fuck, don't give em one fuck in word or deed and he will take notice, he will either pay attention and man up or keep chasing easy skanks, he'll have to rise above his own ego and it is possible for him to do that.

IMHO it's more about either treat me like I want and deserve to be treated or get the hell out of my face, this is partly what I've learned and observed from the Leo women in my family and my Leo girlfriends.
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Well Gang,
I have been keeping things quiet. Spoke to him briefly Wednesday evening, there was no mention of Friday from my end or his. Last evening I confirmed plans to hang with my girls, so that is where I will be this evening. I have no idea if I will be hearing from him tonight or not. I have no intention of initiating contact with him. Should he decide he wants to go out this evening, he can come and meet me and the girls if he chooses. He is now exactly where he put himself, which is on the backburner. On a side note, my favorite "in the meantime" guy (a sweet cancer) has had brain enough to make plans with me for Sunday, a whole five days in advance...imagine that. Unfortuneatley, I don't think my Leo friend is fit to be one of my "in the meantime" friends (those whose company I rather enjoy but have no potential of a long term deal) simply because I probably would end up liking him too much and find myself hurt in the long run. So it is on the backburner he shall stay, unless he decides he would like to step up, in which case we will reeavluate.