confused about libra guy

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Hi everyone. I have a question about something that happened a couple of days ago with my bf. I'm a cancer and he is a libra/aries moon.

Me and Libra are at the bar by the bowling alley watching the football. Halfway through the match 2 girls who libra guy is friends with walk in going toward the bowling alley but when they see him instead of going there they come into the bar and sit behind us 2. I know of these 2 girls and have suspected for a while that they are trying to get with him cos of their behaviour but he says they are just being nice and friendly. The rest of the match the girls remain sitting behind us whsipering and giggling to each other.

After the match is over Libra guy goes to toilet, I hear the girls whispering somehting like "say something then" and i'm 100% sure they are talking about me, but I ignored it. On his way back they call him over, he goes to talk to them for a bit then calls me over saying they wanna meet me. I went over to meet them then they continue talking with libra guy. After a bit one girl asks if we are together, I was watching the football and pretend not to hear, letting him reply but he doesnt, so she asks again and the same thing happens, 3rd time I answer. Then we leave and I got really mad at him for not answering the question, he says he had nodded, and that the girls kept asking cos they were being silly and wanted to hear it from me.

After this I went home, he goes back to the bowling alley. He later tells me that the two girls came up to him. Both girls flirted and told him that he shouldn't be with me, and that he can do better. Then they both attempted to ask him out and asked if he liked them, and he said that he had flatly refused. They called me a bitch and he defended me and said that I am much better than them and that they are the ones being bitches. And then one of the girls threw a drink at him and he left after that.

Now, his story sounds very nice but I'm not sure if i can trust this information because of earlier not answering the question when the girls asked if we were together, and he had told me days earlier that they both knew we were together. So just wondering what u guys think to this...is he telling the truth about everything or do u think he may be lying/exaggerating to keep me pleased?
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Was the question directed to you from the two girls? If it is then maybe your libra just figure you would answer. I think you might be exaggerating this. He didn't need to go into detail and explain to you what happened when he went back and what those two girls spoke of but he gave that information to you. I think he actually might be building trust with you not lying.
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He DID answer the question. He nodded, which is a universal sign of affirmation, you weren't looking.. you were staring at the TV when you should have been looking those chicks squarely in the face, proud and happy and secure in YOUR man.. They kept asking cuz they wanted to hear it from you, and wanted to make you squirm (it worked and they knew it would because your "I'm ignoring you both" attitude all evening let them know they were getting under your skin), rabid little bitches. Now don't get all bent out of shape because he answered in a manner that isn't what you would have liked/wanted (nodding VS saying it)... esp since I too feel they were directing the question to YOU, he was merely ADDING confirmation by nodding.. and ho ho ho.. what if HE'D been the one ignoring the question and staring at the TV waiting for YOU to answer a question directed at HIM?! You'd be PISSED and you know it. Put yourself in his place for a second!

My dear... are overreacting and over analyzing... this man has done nothing to deserve your mistrust and is doing what he can to show you that he is with YOU, and not interested in those girls throwing themselves at him. Keep this up, and you're going to drive a wedge between you two.
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I AGREE DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS BUT i WOULD HAVE MY DOUBTS IF i WERE YOU...fIRST iD BE PISSED (sorry just realised I was in caps) he went back there when those girls were obviously being less then nice to you..did he have a reason to go back when you went home Who else was there he new? Or did he specifically go back to hang out with them? Then I wonder about the two of them asking him for a date? Either these girls seriously have no respect for themselves since they are willing to not only try to steal your fella but have no problem being in competition with each other over him either..total desperados...or hes over exaggerating...and why did she throw a drinki over him It all sounds abit One Tree Hill or something...Still I wouldn't bother questioning him because even if it is a big lie..people tend to stick to their stories so why bother arguing with him..that's his story and I'd say he'll be sticking to it
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For future referrence instead of pretending to not hear the question to test him just answer it yourself, especially if it was directed towards you. We have a hard time with "I wanted to see what you would do!". No, you wanted us to do something specific so let us know you want us do do something specific. We may be really intuitive when it comes to women but we are not mind readers and we don't like being expected to be mind readers.

Now that is out of the way. In my opinion he made by dropping you off and going back to the bar (presuming your account of the situation was complete and accurate). Sometimes women overreact to things...it's life and in situations like this it is something you deal with if you want to be with a woman. Not saying that the way you acted was right (it wasn't by Libra standards), but he still should have given it a rest and attempted to correct the situation with you not with the two girls. The issue isn't really those girls, it is the fact that your relationship was negatively affected by the experience and whatever underlying issues made that possible.

As far as taking his word for it? I think focusing on that distracts from the more important issue. I would tell him: look if that is what you said then thank you I appreciate that. What bothers me about the situation is that I was uncomfortable with them and didn't want to be around them. Ideally, when it was obvious those girls were playing games out of interrest in him he should have picked up on it and excused the two of you to continue on with your night. I would explain this to him, but as you do let him know that what you would change about your behavior is that if that were the case then EVEN IF THE SITUATION BOTHERED YOU, you would have taken the comfort you need in him handling it that way and you two could have continued the night in a more fun way 😉 because you would have been in a good mood when you got home.
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Ok they are two sides to every story and this is ur version. So am going to give feedback on what I read.
Him calling u over and introducing you to the 2 girls is good,but how did he introduce you? If he introduced you as his gf or partner initially then the girls wouldn't need to ask silly questions!
Why did he go back to the bowling alley? You both left he knew yoou were upset,did he ave a ligit reason.
They are a lot more questions than answers here. But you doubts are coming from somewhere.
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I'm almost amused... with SOME of you, the Mean Girls would fucking win and manage to damage YOUR relationship right off the bat! You would doubt and mistrust your man because of a few catty comments from a coupla barracudas, NO MATTER what he said, even if it made sense! *facepalm*

She PLAYS A FUCKING GAME (like Nico said.. the "testing" thing) by pretending to not hear a question.. she admitted she was doing this.. the girls kept asking, and IF he kept nodding but they wanted to hear it from HER, that would explain them asking three times. If he was COMPLETELY IGNORING IT LIKE SHE WAS.. don't you think those snotty little bitches would have said something right then and there, something to stir the pot up? ("Oh look, Becky - neither one say they're together, guess they aren't!" or even AFTER she finally stopped pretending not to hear and answered herself - "Well, obviously YOU think you're together, but he doesn't think so. He just sat there/ignored it/laughed the whole time!") And really? Really? The guy LIED about nodding.. cuz he made that up on the spot since she wasn't looking? Like he was really just sitting there, grinning behind her back... those little bitches running their mouths asking three times if they were together. They only stopped when SHE FINALLY ANSWERED THEM. If HE DIDN'T NOD or affirm in any way... They'd still be asking HIM. They already GOT his answer when he nodded... they wanted HER answer because she was playing the ignoring game and staring at the TV. A proud, happy, secure woman does not stare at the TV and pretend to not be feeling something she is. She would look those bitches right in the face.

We don't know WHY he went back... but clearly SHE knows he went back, and probably WHY he did, and that part was obviously fine with her.. her problem WASN'T with him going back to that place, she never sounded off about that. The thing she was over analyzing about for two days or so was HIM not answering the question likely directed at HER (at least not in the WAY she was trying to manipulate him into doing, "I'll pretend I don't hear and make HIM answer, so I can see what he says!") and trying to figure out if he really nodded like he said. Well, him nodding is the ONLY way any of the things that followed make any sense. That and this girl must have a Scorp Moon or Venus or something... she's got some serious trust issues if she can't believe her guy saying he NODDED, all because some little hoochies want to play jealous gam
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You know, FemmeScorpion... upon re-reading my post that got you riled, I think I may have come up with a reason you got your panties in such a twist. Is it because I mentioned that chaney75 might have a Scorp Moon/Venus or something, to explain her difficulty with trusting him and taking his words at face value, her jealousy of a couple hoochies, and her obsession with what should be a minor thing (nodding VS speaking)? It was an observation, and if she comes back, I'd wager we'll find she's got some Scorp placements that constantly make her dig and dig for the "truth" because she has trouble accepting what someone says as truth, because he didn't do it HER way. (And GOD, he's a Libra male, she's a Cancer female.. there will be SOOO many things they do differently! Esp communication, it's a BITCH!) For a Water (emotions, feelings) female it's like learning/speaking a new language with a Libra (airy thinking, not deep pondering) male! She needs to open the lines of communication NOW, and not sit and steam and obsess about some little thing until she's ready to blow!

I personally ADORE Scorps, and I think they are truly amazing and fabulous. Difficult to understand for most people, but I seem to have an easier time with it, being a Pisces. That said, I also have no illusions about a Scorp's tendency to play (sometimes unconscious) manipulative little games (See what he'll do) and the way nearly every Scorp seems to have trust and jealousy issues. It's just the way they are, and I mean no rancor by it. There's plenty of "bad" things about Pisces in general, and me in particular, and if I wanted to get carpal tunnel, I'd type you up a list of my own personal failings 😛
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Posted by Nefer
You know, FemmeScorpion... upon re-reading my post that got you riled, I think I may have come up with a reason you got your panties in such a twist. Is it because I mentioned that chaney75 might have a Scorp Moon/Venus or something, to explain her difficulty with trusting him and taking his words at face value, her jealousy of a couple hoochies, and her obsession with what should be a minor thing (nodding VS speaking)? It was an observation, and if she comes back, I'd wager we'll find she's got some Scorp placements that constantly make her dig and dig for the "truth" because she has trouble accepting what someone says as truth, because he didn't do it HER way. (And GOD, he's a Libra male, she's a Cancer female.. there will be SOOO many things they do differently! Esp communication, it's a BITCH!) For a Water (emotions, feelings) female it's like learning/speaking a new language with a Libra (airy thinking, not deep pondering) male! She needs to open the lines of communication NOW, and not sit and steam and obsess about some little thing until she's ready to blow!

I personally ADORE Scorps, and I think they are truly amazing and fabulous. Difficult to understand for most people, but I seem to have an easier time with it, being a Pisces. That said, I also have no illusions about a Scorp's tendency to play (sometimes unconscious) manipulative little games (See what he'll do) and the way nearly every Scorp seems to have trust and jealousy issues. It's just the way they are, and I mean no rancor by it. There's plenty of "bad" things about Pisces in general, and me in particular, and if I wanted to get carpal tunnel, I'd type you up a list of my own personal failings 😛






@ Nefer,preach all you want. But your harsh tone turns me off.
Sorry just been honest!!
I just could not be asked reading all that was written above.
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Oh? You say you didn't read what I wrote? Bet you did, and I bet it hit too close to home, and you'd have to admit I was right about something. tsk tsk Your Scorp is showing.. might want to tuck that back up.

You'll NEVER understand that Libra man you're stalking OR his Aqua brother you're playing mind-fuck games with. You are incapable of seeing past your own ego and misconceptions about the world around you and the people in it.
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Hello everyone - thank you for all the replies, it's nice to hear everyone's opinions and insights in this matter.
Now first of all I know there a lot of questions, so I will attempt to answer all of your questions, and also add in some details and backstory so you can understand everything that's going on. I couldn't put it all in my original posts because it was so long, and I wanted to get the basics down first. Anyway here goes, bear with me because I'm new to all this forum stuff. Sorry if it's not in the best order there's a lot to fill in.

To Lunamistress and anyone else who asked - The first time they asked I actually thought the question was directed at HIM, I was watching the tv and not looking directly at them because I love football world cup and I'm a huge football fan, he knows that too, but he was looking at them and talking to them so i thought they were talking to him, it was only when he didn't answer that I thought hang on why didn't he say anything? And because of that, yes, the 2nd time I did test him. Ok dunno if that was the right thing to, no one on here is agreeing either, but I can't change that it happened already, all I'm saying is the 1st time I thought the question was to him but he didn't answer.

Also no he did not introduce me as his girlfriend or partner, in fact he didn't even introduce me by my name he just took me over there and we said hi, how are you, etc, to each other and that's all.

(more in next post)
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To Nefer and nicodemus — the reason he went back was BECAUSE of those girls. He told me he wanted to go back and play bowling with them, even though just before the football match he had played 3 matches of bowling with me. He told me so, and no I was not happy about it at all, and I made that clear to him as well, but he still went back. In fact I was uncomfortable almost the entire time that they were there, I wasn't so bothered initially, but when they started whispering behind us I did not like it, especially when he??d gone to the toilet and I clearly heard that they were whispering about me. I told him that I was uncomfortable right near the beginning and also that they had been whispering about me when he went to the toilet, and I told him that I wanted to go somewhere else after the football match and he said ok.

After we spoke to the girls for 5mins we left, we got in my car and that's when I discussed with him about him not answering the question they??d asked and he said that he had told the girls before that I was their gf so he didn't know why they??d asked that question, and I said well you could have answered again, why didn't you? And he said I nodded, and I said well if so why did they ask 3 times? Surely once would suffice, and he said i don't know they are just silly. So I told him ok then, I believed him at this point and was not suspicious, and then I got ready to leave. Then as soon as I turned on the ignition, that is when he tells me that he doesn't want to leave and he wants to stay to play bowling with girls, and he told me to go home without him. This is when I got suspicious and started getting mad, I told him I wasn't happy with him staying for them and that I didn't like those girls and why I didn't (can explain the reasons further if u like in another post). This went on for a while but basically I told him I wasn't happy with it and gave him my reasons, and he said no, i'm gonna stay and hang out with them and went back despite what I was saying.

Also to Nicodemus — I believe you implied that he did me a favour by dropping me off back home and then going back to hang out with the girls. Actually no he did not, I have a car, he doesn't. I went back home alone in my car, he stayed BECAUSE OF THOSE GIRLS and he had to make his own way back home afterwards by catching TWO buses (we went somewhere quite far out of town), so just going by that I??d say he actually put more effort in for them,
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It could have been taken either way? No, you just took it the WRONG way, and now you're trying to justify it by saying it COULD have been taken that way. LOL now I'm "lame" for saying Mean Girls (which is exactly what they were acting like.. did you ever see that movie?) because now you see that I WASN'T directing any venom at anyone here, and all my venom was for a couple hoochies blatantly cozying up to her Libra man? Until me and the Scorpio got into it on a more personal level, I mean. *shrug* Your opinion of me means less than nothing, I assure you. But your back-pedaling and justification does amuse me 😉
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So what happen was in the beginning you told him you were uncomfortable with both those girls and he agreed to leave with you after the game but THEN when you had the "talk" with him, that is when he decided to leave you dry and hanging.

I think that talk might have been the straw from what I see in the situation. Maybe he just wanted to get you jealous for not believing in him.
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You read my posts with the eyes of someone looking to fight, 9tmare... because I dared to present an idea different than yours... because THAT clashes with YOUR experience that men are fucking douches in just about every situation, given the opportunity. You don't trust or believe without irrefutable proof.. and actually, you'd probably keep digging for "proof" to the contrary, just in case you missed something. YOUR experiences (not that I'm belittling them AT ALL, lest you suddenly "read" that I am) have colored your opinion about every man who doesn't go around shouting that a girl is his girlfriend. And hey, that's understandable... we need more positive relationship experiences to heal our wounds and triggers from past hurts. In YOUR experiences, men are shady and up to know good. Some are, sure. Maybe even a lot are.. but not ALL of them. Some of them are just clueless dolts and don't know how to behave in relationships. And some girls make themselves crazy when a man cannot read her mind and do what SHE would do, or what she'd WANT him to, and then he's fucked.

I never told her to get all tangled up in this guy and believe every word that fell out of his mouth. If you knew me AT ALL, or had read more than a FEW of my posts, you'd see that I happen to be a woman who pushes a modified version of Girl Power (for lack of a better term). I'm about balance and centered, NOT obsession. I do NOT want her to get wrapped and blinded and lose herself. But I also do not want her to crucify him because he's not like her or does something she doesn't like one night. Keep it all in perspective.. actions over the long haul - THAT tells you what a man is all about. NOT him hanging one night with girls he says are friends, because you got all upset and insecure and didn't like them, and was ALREADY emotionally freaking out before he didn't answer a question (aloud) you THOUGHT was directed at him, but it turned out they were looking for YOUR answer.

And she never DID put herself in his place that I saw... what if HE'D ignored the question, staring at the TV and pretending he didn't hear, just to see what SHE would say? Oh.. and then got PISSED cuz she didn't answer in the manner HE would have wanted her to. Empathy isn't that hard, everyone should try it before getting pissed.
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"^^ likewise, why didn't they say (after his 'nod') -- "ok, we get it. but we want to hear from her" or something. what's so hard about him simply saying YES—"

OMG.. do you see what you're saying?! HE needs to be punished.. HE'S lying.. cuz of what the little bitches did?? What's so hard about him saying yes? It wasn't his question to answer!!! What's so hard about HER saying yes, since they were ASKING her?.. first time, she didn't know it was to her.. second time, she admits she wanted to "test" him, see what he'd do.. third time, she FINALLY answers.. and it's HIS fault?? Cuz he.. what? Didn't pipe up and answer FOR her, like she was some kind of child, incapable of answering herself? Man, if he'd done that, would she be in here, bitching he was disrespecting her and treating her like a child?

Man, my head hurts!
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Posted by Nefer
And I've changed my point of view with Chaney. She should break up with him (even though they don't seem to have been together very long?), they aren't compatible. He's being a clueless, unthinking douche and she's going to drive herself friggin' INSANE trying to figure out every little nuance. And who needs that? Chaney should go find someone better.




ACTUALLY we've been together for 4 years.



...guess I am not the only one here making assumptions.
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Also one more thing that I forgot to add in the previous posts about why I was being suspicious when he did not answer their question about whether we were together or not. I actually am a very trusting person normally and would believe what he says to me if I had no doubts otherwise.

(P.S. you guys type so fast in the time it took me to write this like 10 posts went up in between lol)

This is an incident that happened a month or so ago. He was chatting with a girl (not one of the girls from above, but a different one) on facebook, and they were sending messages to each other??s walls. Now after a bit I didn't like the kind of messages I was seeing from her because of how flirtatious they were, so I sent her a message basically telling her to back off and that I wasn't happy with her sending him things like that, and I also told him that I wasn't happy with it and he told me that they are just friends and nothing is going on and that the messages meant nothing and that I was getting riled up for no reason and no need for me to worry. So I accepted his answer and forgot about it.

A couple of weeks later I went on facebook again, and read some messages between him and the girl which really upset me. She had sent him a message after mine saying —your gf just told me not to talk to you??. He sent a message back saying —she's not my gf, don't worry about her she's just crazy don't listen to what she says?? and then after this she says ok and they continue sending a load of messages to each other, which could be seen as flirtatious but that's really not the main issue after what he??d wrote to her in the initial message.

I was really angry and confronted him about this. He told me that the reason he??d said to her that I wasn't his gf is because he didn't want the whole world knowing and that she was no one close to him, just a distant friend and because of that he didn't want her to know all his personal business. I did not believe him and argued with him saying that he was implying that he was single and trying to get close with her and trying to get me out of the equation but he kept on insisting that there was nothing at all going on and that he just didn't want her to know anything personal about him.
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*sigh* Chaney.. I said "don't seem"... and really, I AM surprised to hear it's been 4 years... it baffles me that you don't understand him better, and need the advice of strangers, after that long. Now, before you take offense...

After 4 years, YOU should know if he's behaving funny, if he usually respects you and your feelings, if it seems like he's cheating or trying to cheat on you... after 4 years, you should know how a Libra man tends to have A LOT of female friends, and still SO clueless about them and their underhanded intentions to steal him away. After 4 years, YOU should know that a Libra is generally an incorrigible flirt AND that it means nothing when he's in love with his woman.

But you came here to present YOUR side (without HIM here posting too, everything's one-sided. Hell, everything I say about MY Libra is one-sided, since he's not on DXP!) to a bunch of us who don't even KNOW him... but four years with him and you don't know if this is an isolated incident that doesn't mean anything detrimental to your relationship, or if WE think he's up to no good? After 4 years, YOU know him better than WE do.. YOU know how he is overall, YOU know if this relationship is good or bad, if it's falling apart, if it's worth saving. The rest of us are shooting in the dark.
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Oh Good Lord, Chaney... if a MONTH ago he's chatting up some woman and SAYING you aren't his gf (which, as gently as possible, YOU writing her WAS a bit over-the-top insecure and uncalled-for... NEVER drag yourself down to that level!) YES, talking to HIM about it was the right thing to do (not HER - she's got NOTHING to do with your relationship, and every girl knows if she "orders" a chick to stay away from her man, chances are it's just going to make that chick want him MORE, and believe every word the guy says. It's like an epidemic, sweeping the nation.. the Delusional Girl Sensation!) (The OTHER girl being delusional, NOT the pissed off girlfriend, btw!) but his excuses feel self-serving, vague, and just plain sneaky. WTF?

So I have to ask.. four years together.. and his Facebook says Single? Really? Red Flag :/
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Bravo! LOL You and the Scorp shot in the dark too, honey.. but your overly suspicious natures caused you to hit closer to the bullseye when the Big Fuckin' Deal here was him NOT answering a question directed at her, long before any additional information came. I admit my nature is not as suspicious... I do not look for the bad in someone or the wrongness in everything they do. But this is CLEARLY (now) NOT a normal relationship where a girl flipped out one night because he didn't answer for her when a couple hoochies play some twisted game.

Chaney.. has the sneaky shit only been going on for a month? Or longer?
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Posted by Lunamistress
So what happen was in the beginning you told him you were uncomfortable with both those girls and he agreed to leave with you after the game but THEN when you had the "talk" with him, that is when he decided to leave you dry and hanging.

I think that talk might have been the straw from what I see in the situation. Maybe he just wanted to get you jealous for not believing in him.



Yes in the bar he agreed to leave with me, when we were walking back from the bar to the car park he said he wanted to go back there and play some air hockey with me and some of the other games that were there, I said I didnt want to go back there and that I'd rather go somewhere else with him and we can do all those things in another place. At first he was like no let's go back there, but I said I didnt feel comfortable, then we went into my car. That's when I talked with him about what happened in the bar with the girls. During this talk he was getting some phonecalls and text messages from the girls. He told me that they were asking him to go back and play bowling with them...and the rest you already know, I dont wanna repeat myself too much.
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Posted by beautifuln9tmare
no Nefer...this is precisely what i'm talking about. please get out from under your rock

i was saying with her first post...i even looked at her profile. she created a new account to post this, it must have been bothering her quite a bit

it was too good to be true, the whole bs story he fed her -- how come she wasn't a witness to any of it— was there evidence of them throwing a drink at him?

and any man who was really proud of his girl would have spoken up after being asked 3 times, regardless of who the question was directed to!!!!

we weren't shooting in the dark, it is from experience and common sense




Thank you beautifuln9tmare for understanding my posts, and giving some well-reasoned unbiased answers.

And yes beautifuln9tmare is spot on, I did create an account in order to post this, because I felt his story did sound a bit too good to be true. I've been reading this board for a week now and read interesting posts from others with god advice, so I just wanted to get some advice and insight from the people here, regarding my suspicions.
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what the libra said on FB with that girl is a huge red flag. I suggest you have a good long chat with him to figure out what the hell is happening after four years, I had no idea it was more then that bowling incident. But I do agree with Nefer, calling out the girl to stay away from your man is a def no-no, it is your bf you should've talked to.

I disagree with you beautifuln9tmare about the 3 time question. If I felt some dude was asking my guy a quesiton about us being a couple or not, I do expect him to answer and I usually do not answer questions that are not directed at me. It is just personal preference.
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Posted by beautifuln9tmare
"I disagree with you beautifuln9tmare about the 3 time question. If I felt some dude was asking my guy a quesiton about us being a couple or not, I do expect him to answer and I usually do not answer questions that are not directed at me. It is just personal preference."

-- of course. because you're naive...just like Nefer



So just because of my personal preference, I am naive now? WOW!
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Chany, with this:

"Now that is out of the way. In my opinion he made by dropping you off and going back to the bar (presuming your account of the situation was complete and accurate). Sometimes women overreact to things...it's life and in situations like this it is something you deal with if you want to be with a woman. Not saying that the way you acted was right (it wasn't by Libra standards), but he still should have given it a rest and attempted to correct the situation with you not with the two girls. The issue isn't really those girls, it is the fact that your relationship was negatively affected by the experience and whatever underlying issues made that possible."

I was not trying to say that he did you a favor. He disregarded the reality and responsibility of being in a relationship by leaving you hanging to go get his joy while you were home alone and pissed off.

Dude is playing you. His excuse for telling that girl on facebook that you aren't his girlfriend is bullshit unless there is a damn good reason he doesn't want the world to know about your relationship. Bottom line is he is enjoying your company when he wants it and seeking company elsehwere when he doesn't. He doesn't take you as seriously as you take him.
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Posted by Lunamistress
Posted by beautifuln9tmare
"I disagree with you beautifuln9tmare about the 3 time question. If I felt some dude was asking my guy a quesiton about us being a couple or not, I do expect him to answer and I usually do not answer questions that are not directed at me. It is just personal preference."

-- of course. because you're naive...just like Nefer



So just because of my personal preference, I am naive now? WOW!
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Just like me, cuz I too don't automatically think every guy is a complete douche if he doesn't answer for his woman 😉

I do actually think he's being a douche.. but NOT for not answering that question.
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Posted by beautifuln9tmare
Nefer, i don't know what rock you live under but i've seen *countless* men deny their girls. trying to get with anyone and everyone on the side.

i've recently stood some men up for the simple fact they wouldn't leave me alone after i was blatantly clear i would not have an affair with them

we didn't plant any ideas into her head, she's the one who created an account, and a thread on this. so obviously it must of been bothering her quite a bit.

*regardless* of sign, someone asks if they're together it is his place to claim her

i swear, Pisces cannot understand the concept of logic if it was choking them to death.





Spot on hun,as i said previously if he had done the manly thing and introduce her as his partner/gf/wife/babymother/fiance.
Them girls would have kept their gob shut!!
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Posted by beautifuln9tmare
umm speak for yourself. maybe you're shooting in the dark

i wasn't...and neither was femmescorpion

"After 4 years, YOU should know if he's behaving funny"

^^ which is exactly why she created an account here and asked for assistance/affirmation with her suspicions

i'm over it. deal with Libra however you wish girl




Touche!!
Ofcourse she suspect he is up to no good,but as females/humans we love clarity.
Thats why we often ask our friends,family and complete stranger what's the score.
The problem with online forums...people tend to develop a gang culture.
So most of their views are familar and everyone stick together.
Example on this board most members tend to sing from the same hymn sheet.
It takes someone new or strong to tell it how it is,without been worried they will upset the gang culture.
I salute you beautifuln9tmare!!🙂
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Chany, I am sorry you are having to go through this. I definitely say "follow your intuition" especially when you feel something is not right. I was married and I suspected my ex husband was chatting up girls on the internet. We had both agreed that would be considered cheating for both of us. He was an extremely jealous person so I couldn't even "accidentally" look at someone of the opposite sex or he thought something! Well, I set up a fake myspace account and sent him a message. He responded and "talked" with her (me) back and forth. He even gave his cell number and times to call when I wasn't with him. This along with other issues is what broke the camel's back and we are no more.
This guy is not doing right by you and you do deserve better! Maybe he's just a bit bored and seeking attention but even so if it is causing you distress and he doesn't care than I say he's a douche as well!!! The facebook thing is something I would not tolerate if I were you b/c that was a bullshit story he made up!

Posted by beautifuln9tmare
i don't care. i've stated in the past, and i will continue to state that Pisces can't grasp reality and doesn't know anything about logic

that's exactly why i can't tolerate them. the only thing you guys have going for you is the feeling ability



Wow beautifuln9tmare, way to lump everyone together in your very biased opinion about Pisces. I happen to think very logically. We Pisces have many great qualities as well as some not so great just like all the other signs in the zodiac. I love Scorpios and I actually love things about ALL the signs! I am sad that you haven't met any good Pisces people b/c that is a really negative outlook that you have on a lot of people you don't even know. 😢


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Chany, with this:

"Now that is out of the way. In my opinion he made by dropping you off and going back to the bar (presuming your account of the situation was complete and accurate). Sometimes women overreact to things...it's life and in situations like this it is something you deal with if you want to be with a woman. Not saying that the way you acted was right (it wasn't by Libra standards), but he still should have given it a rest and attempted to correct the situation with you not with the two girls. The issue isn't really those girls, it is the fact that your relationship was negatively affected by the experience and whatever underlying issues made that possible."

I was not trying to say that he did you a favor. He disregarded the reality and responsibility of being in a relationship by leaving you hanging to go get his joy while you were home alone and pissed off.

Dude is playing you. His excuse for telling that girl on facebook that you aren't his girlfriend is bullshit unless there is a damn good reason he doesn't want the world to know about your relationship. Bottom line is he is enjoying your company when he wants it and seeking company elsehwere when he doesn't. He doesn't take you as seriously as you take him.



Sorry I think I misunderstood with this sentence "In my opinion he made by dropping you off and going back to the bar"
somehow I thought you meant he made me a favour by dropping me off before going back to them lol, I still don't get the sentence though, did u miss a word or something? cos i'm not getting it.

But anyway you;re right about everything else, the issue isnt the girls per se and no he didn't act responsibly he was thinking of himself
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Posted by Stpatrickspisces
Chany, I am sorry you are having to go through this. I definitely say "follow your intuition" especially when you feel something is not right. I was married and I suspected my ex husband was chatting up girls on the internet. We had both agreed that would be considered cheating for both of us. He was an extremely jealous person so I couldn't even "accidentally" look at someone of the opposite sex or he thought something! Well, I set up a fake myspace account and sent him a message. He responded and "talked" with her (me) back and forth. He even gave his cell number and times to call when I wasn't with him. This along with other issues is what broke the camel's back and we are no more.
This guy is not doing right by you and you do deserve better! Maybe he's just a bit bored and seeking attention but even so if it is causing you distress and he doesn't care than I say he's a douche as well!!! The facebook thing is something I would not tolerate if I were you b/c that was a bullshit story he made up!



Sorry to hear about your story too. And yeah it's often the ones who are super jealous who do the cheating.
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beautifuln9tmare, thank you for that, sincerely. I *do* tend to see the good in people, maybe even sometimes people who don't deserve it. I don't feel it's naivety (though some might), because I *do* still see their bad qualities (or at least know there must be some there), I'm not blind to them while I'm focusing on the good and giving people the benefit of the doubt. Have I been fooled or surprised by hidden aspects of people? Certainly, but it will never stop me from seeing the good in the next person. Have I been hurt by someone with less than noble intentions? Of course... but I have the emotional fortitude to sift through the ashes and take the good WITH me into the future. Some people might feel that anything BUT skepticism is being a blind, naive fool. But I'm not one of them. I'll believe in your good, until you show me your bad, always.

And Tiki.. I have no answer to that one. I baffle myself sometimes! *chagrined* LOL
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^^ I lol'ed. THAT situation, I can see right through his tough-guy posturing. Fake machismo cracks me up.

In Chany's situation, I think I just didn't yet have enough information to draw a bad conclusion.. still "seeing his good, until I saw his bad" if you will. It COULD have been true, in my mind. Maybe because I know that MY Libra seems especially clueless about the intentions and manipulations of little hoochies until they go WAY too far. Example: After we first started dating, his ex-gf called one night, trying to get him to come hang out with a bunch of people. He said no, he was hanging with his girl tonight.. she asked a couple questions about me (I could only hear his side of the conversation) but I shrugged it off.. I'm not the jealous type, esp not over silly stuff like an ex calling him. And UNTIL I see she has ulterior motives.. I believe in HER good, until I see HER bad. She kept pushing for him to come hang out, he kept saying no, he was staying in with me. She actually told him to leave me at home and come anyway.. I know this because he said in a very shocked voice, "NO, I am NOT leaving my girlfriend here to come over. No way!" First red flag.. first glimpse of bad.. so I say, "Honey, we're just sitting around watching TV.. a bonfire might be fun. What do you think?" He said, "Really? You want to go? Ok then, let's go."

The ex was ridiculous. Switching between acting totally sober and acting totally hammered (emphasis on ACTING!), trying to lure him away from the fire to 'talk', reaching over to touch him and when I'd look, she'd clumsily fall out of her chair giggling, like it was an accidental touch. People looked embarrassed. All she wanted to talk about was old times they'd had, events I wasn't there for, people I didn't know. If she said anything to me, she kept calling me the wrong name, though she was close. She kept wandering away from the fire.. then wandering back. Trying to get him to follow her, to go look for her. One time, he says quietly that he's ready to go whenever I am, and I say I'm ready. We get in his truck to leave and she magically appears, stands in his open door, throwing me little glances while she twice ran her hand down his leg, saying how much she missed him and they should hang out soon. He's nice but noncommittal, and we leave. I say, "She wants you back." He says, "You're crazy, she does not." I laugh and say, "I'm a chick, babe. YES, she DOES! Mark my words!"
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And within two weeks, she called again and came right out with it... She's newly single and wanted him to break up with me to try again with her. Right, the girl who cheated and then dumped him for someone else after only 2 months dating. He turned her down flat and apologized to me for not believing me, for thinking it was just a "jealous girl" thing, even though I wasn't "acting jealous". No, I never actually heard him turn her down, I wasn't there. If I were a skeptic, I suppose I could have looked at him and thought he was just lying to placate me, and was really taking her up on her rather blatant display, and planning to cheat on me. But that never crossed my mind, I don't think. We had only been dating a couple months then anyway, and I wasn't too emotionally invested. If he proved to be unworthy over time, I'd have no problem telling him to kick rocks. But he has my trust until he breaks it.. well, as much as a girl trusts when she's not all wrapped up and blind.. enough to believe him and not snoop or check up on him.. but not enough to blindly blunder along ignoring any obvious actions to the contrary. But his actions matched his words.. and she stopped calling, and has not darkened my door in all the time since - well, except for calling him last fall to say she was getting married, and invite BOTH of us to the wedding. We didn't go. LOL
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Posted by beautifuln9tmare
^^^ i see what you're saying Nefer. and perhaps it is my suspicious/questioning nature— but honestly, as soon as i read it, i *instantly* felt like i saw right through him -- i peeped his game if u will ha

hypothetical: a somewhat scrawny man visibly gets beat up in front of a crowd by a much stronger, athletic man. the stronger man talks shit to him beforehand....

and people watching are like "yo why don't you talk shit back to him—?" the scrawny dude is like "i am. i'm calling him a bitch, i guess u can't hear me."

then he gets his ass beat...in front of everyone

the next day, everyone is like "why didn't u fight back?" and he goes "i did!!! i went back last night and whooped his ass AND his friend's! they can barely walk, and they told me that they're scared of me now."

yet NO ONE was there to see him fight/talk shit. what they *saw* was a passive, afraid man.

i know i'm taking it too far, but so did the Libra with the spilling of the drink and calling the girls bitches etc.

^^ and THAT is exactly how this Libra's story sounds to me. all too convenient. playa playa

Good analogy.

I would like to point out that his story and your illustration have a common trait that all experienced liars utalize as principle....Plausible deniability. Stories like this are a trap. If you believe it your being dumb, if you don't your being untrusting and jealous.

The only way to solve this is to be with someone who won't put you in these kinds of situations to begin with.

My problem with him as a boyfriend isn't how he acted once the four of you were hanging out, it is that the four of you were hanging out. He should not have put you in that situation in the first place. He knew that they were going to create a problem between the two of you and he ignored it.

I have a personal experience that illustrates this concept:
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Story:

Angel and I were at a late weekend movie (Alien VS Predator 2). It was a large theater and we were sitting in the middle of the top row like we typically do. Another couple was at the end of our left side of the same row. About a quarter of the way through the movie they started talking really loudly. He was laying across the seats with his head in her lap and they were carrying on like they were in their own living room. It was loud enough to be beyond distracting. I walked over to the couple and politely and assertively asked them to be quieter. The guy jumped from his seat got in my face and started going on about how he was going to kick my ass and how dare I and all that. His tone, posture, body language...everything suggested that I was a split second away from a fist fight. I kept my cool and talked him down and eventually his girlfriend was convinced enough by how I was handling him that maybe he was in over his head and she pulled him asside and convinced him to calm down.

I walked back to my seat next to Angel and sat down. He started talking about how he would of kicked my ass like I wasn't there. Angel told me I should have just beat the crap out of the guy, he was asking for it. (you know someone is asking for it when a Libra woman advocates violence as a solution).

Instead of walking back over to the guy to "shut him up" or sitting there with the same issue I had before I walked over the first time. I excused myself to the lobby where there are always police officers on the weekend. Explained that someone was threatening to assult me and walked back to the theater. When I got back the couple had realized what I was doing and left. Angel still thought I should knocked the guy out but instead we enjoyed the rest of the movie.

I went there to watch a movie with my fiance...someone tried get in the way of that and I didn't let it happen. Did your boyfriend go out that night to spend it with you or those two other girls? That is how a Libra who really cares about someone thinks and acts.