A new Pisces here

Wats up DXP world im Pisces from ATL here, and i want to know why we seem to be the most unselfish mostcareing mostgiving, but never seem to be treated the same by the people were helping out or at least thats how i feel being a Pisces is very weird for me but in a good you pisces know what i mean. i wouldnt want to be anything else other then what i am

Hi there!!!
Well you yourself said it, we "seem" to be the most unselfish people but I dont believe we are...we care for others for sure, and people count on us..we are always there ..it is not that we don't get treated in the same way, sometimes us fishes just dont cry for help,, we help everybody out but when we are down we dont let people know about it, we are the strong ones...
But, I believe those we help should be there when needed, if I feell somebody I help wont be there for me in a rough patch, then that person is not worth calling a friend.....
that is why we are sometimes taken for granted but it is our fault in fact.
Welcome to this forum dear

I hear what your saying and your right. ill help anybody when i feel what they are going through but when its time for me i dont let anybody in. Thanks you helped more then you know

Most people only help others when they feel indebted.

Pisces assist others without being asked, and though this is done from an unselfish part of them, it is done selfishly because it is done for the sheer purpose of the Pisces satisfaction that they helped another.


If another person doesn't ask you for help, if they are NOT in need of you to do favors for them .... then to go to their aid isn't for them at all .. it's for you.


Therefore, these other people don't feel indebted to you because you never did anything for them that they asked for.

Posted by P-Angel
Most people only help others when they feel indebted.

Pisces assist others without being asked, and though this is done from an unselfish part of them, it is done selfishly because it is done for the sheer purpose of the Pisces satisfaction that they helped another.


If another person doesn't ask you for help, if they are NOT in need of you to do favors for them .... then to go to their aid isn't for them at all .. it's for you.


Therefore, these other people don't feel indebted to you because you never did anything for them that they asked for.

Could be partly true. Though I also assist and help those I love not for the satisfaction it gives me , but because I love them.

And you are right, I do feel rewarded if I could help somebody.

But I won't help just ANYBODY. I know the difference between being helpful and kind and being a doormat everybody treads on.

I'm sure you do do it because you love them ... but, if they aren't asking for your assistance, then it is for personal satisfaction, even if you're not consciously aware of this part of your ego.



A Pisces will automatically assume that someone is in need of them, based off of their own perception of need .... and this is a flawed assessment on the part of the Pisces. However, a Fish would beg to differ with me because it is a part of the reality that escapes them.



If you read the books or listen to people talk about Pisces, it is often heard such things as ..... la-la-land ... delusional ... not in touch with reality .. etc. And it is with things like this subject for example that makes other people view Pisces in that light.



A Fish will live their whole lives believing they are helping others unselfishly ... with no clue that other people don't want their help .. for this reason is why the Fish always feels so unappreciated.


Step outside of the bubble, remove your personal feelings from the equation and wrap that ^^^^ around your head.

And that is basically what both of you are saying ....


ATruPisces ... "but never seem to be treated the same by the people were helping out ..."

PiscesArgi ... "But, I believe those we help should be there when needed .."






PisceanGoddess .... "We Fishes do tend to cry victim a bit (or maybe us young ones as I did and still do on occasion) but in reality, it really is our own faults for not being able to become vulnerable and honest about our emotions, aka ...ask for help!"

I half agree with this, and half not ..... crying victim is something a Fish does, hence: the existence of this thread. However, I don't believe it has to do with because a Pisces isn't able to ask for help, it's not because of dishonesty of feelings.

I believe it's because we just automatically assume that the other person should just know we are in need, and help out willingly of their own accord because they want to because we helped them without being asked.


Ah - ha .. see how that comes back full circle? We do without being asked, and we feel they should just do the same of their own choice, if they have a care. If a person cares for us, then they should be able to just KNOW.


Yes, indeed, the Piscean perception is for Pisces people only and shouldn't be applied to others because it's flawed, greatly.

Posted by PisceanGoddess
Hiya ATP, welcome. I'm kindly new too. Everything you and missArgie said is true for me too. I feel a crazy need to help out anyone in trouble without asking for that same thing in return. As I grow I do recognize that everything is my responsibility. We Fishes do tend to cry victim a bit (or maybe us young ones as I did and still do on occasion) but in reality, it really is our own faults for not being able to become vulnerable and honest about our emotions, aka ...ask for help! So far, ATP this site seems littered with knowledgeable people. It is certainly true that although we are all Pisces, we are not all the same . That being said there is a commonality amongst one another , in my heart and it soothes me in many ways to know there are others that understand our plight. I'm not a full grown Pisces yet but I'm definitely a work in progress so if you ever need anything, mssg me. Have fun and Peace!

True as i grow older i relized as a kid i would cry the victim, but your right we all are pisces be as people we are different because there are things that have happened in my life that ive grown from and the same with you im sure of that. i dont what the future will bring but im exicted because no matter what age i am i know im not growin inside and thats comforting to know.

Posted by seavixen2
I like to look at Pisces from this oldy but goody. It sums everything for me. If you would like to read the whole post, here's the link:

https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/12-signs-1868737/
"To you Pisces - I give the most difficult task of all. I ask you to collect all the world's sorrows and return them to Me. Your tears are to be ultimately My Tears. The sorrow you will absorb is the effect of people's misunderstanding of My Idea, but you are to give them compassion that they may try again. For this the most difficult task of all, I give you the greatest gift of all. You will be the only one of my twelve Children to understand Me. This gift of Understanding is for you, Pisces, for when you try to spread it to humankind they will not listen.
... And Pisces stepped back into place."

thanx the article was very interestin

P-Angel... what you said makes sense and all but I just can't agree. Yes, i get satisfaction from helping others but it's not a satisfaction that i "pursue" for "selfish" reasons. If something or someone is in need of assistance i will do my best to help for unselfish reasons and not expect anything in return except appreciation. If someone WANTS assistance it's a different story.

xr0yc3x i can identify yeah i would like it back in return but my whole day could change if i know i changed some ones mood with helping words or a helping hand i think we as pisces dont open up we have a very hard exterior but a sensitive core

Posted by ATruPisces
xr0yc3x i can identify yeah i would like it back in return but my whole day could change if i know i changed some ones mood with helping words or a helping hand i think we as pisces dont open up we have a very hard exterior but a sensitive core

i'll never open up!! ahhhH!!!!

Posted by xr0yc3x

Posted by ATruPisces
xr0yc3x i can identify yeah i would like it back in return but my whole day could change if i know i changed some ones mood with helping words or a helping hand i think we as pisces dont open up we have a very hard exterior but a sensitive core

i'll never open up!! ahhhH!!!!

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Lol..with the right person i will but it would be after a very long time even after that there are still things i would always keep to myself no matter what.

Posted by xr0yc3x
P-Angel... what you said makes sense and all but I just can't agree. Yes, i get satisfaction from helping others but it's not a satisfaction that i "pursue" for "selfish" reasons. If something or someone is in need of assistance i will do my best to help for unselfish reasons and not expect anything in return except appreciation. If someone WANTS assistance it's a different story.

admittedly skimmed thread but...

what P-Angel is saying is that if there was never a NEED in the first place then any assistance you render is more about you than the person receiving the "help."

if you help me with my bags, thank you. but i didn't NEED you. so where's the benefit? who is getting the benefit of your help? you think it's the other guy when in reality, it's you.

habitual givers (virgos and apparently pisces) have a tendency to render aid where none is needed. just because i'm whining about life doesn't mean you need to step in and "fix" me or my problem. not every hard luck story is a cry for help.

for some of you, constant giving leaves you depleted. the depletion has nothing to do with the other guy and yet so many make it about the other person. this is when one goes into martyr mode.

if you're giving selflessly then why are you drained? why are you crying victim? why are you complaining about what others aren't doing? why are you expecting something in return? why are you exalting your "selfless" giving above that of others?

if it's truly selfless, then you find joy in the act. you enjoy rendering aid when none was requested. you are putting out what you hope to get in. thing is, you can't "put out" for just anybody.

at the end of the day, in "helper" scenarios, no one is taking from you that which you do not willingly give away. and if you're doing it willingly, stfu and climb down off mobile cross.

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Posted by xr0yc3x
P-Angel... what you said makes sense and all but I just can't agree. Yes, i get satisfaction from helping others but it's not a satisfaction that i "pursue" for "selfish" reasons. If something or someone is in need of assistance i will do my best to help for unselfish reasons and not expect anything in return except appreciation. If someone WANTS assistance it's a different story.

admittedly skimmed thread but...

what P-Angel is saying is that if there was never a NEED in the first place then any assistance you render is more about you than the person receiving the "help."

if you help me with my bags, thank you. but i didn't NEED you. so where's the benefit? who is getting the benefit of your help? you think it's the other guy when in reality, it's you.

habitual givers (virgos and apparently pisces) have a tendency to render aid where none is needed. just because i'm whining about life doesn't mean you need to step in and "fix" me or my problem. not every hard luck story is a cry for help.

for some of you, constant giving leaves you depleted. the depletion has nothing to do with the other guy and yet so many make it about the other person. this is when one goes into martyr mode.

if you're giving selflessly then why are you drained? why are you crying victim? why are you complaining about what others aren't doing? why are you expecting something in return? why are you exalting your "selfless" giving above that of others?

if it's truly selfless, then you find joy in the act. you enjoy rendering aid when none was requested. you are putting out what you hope to get in. thing is, you can't "put out" for just anybody.

at the end of the day, in "helper" scenarios, no one is taking from you that which you do not willingly give away. and if you're doing it willingly, stfu and climb down off mobile cross.

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I don't complain about it. That's why i said what i said. I was just trying to say it's not selfish to help where help is not needed. It is in fact, selfless. Saying it's not is quite a contradiction. It would only be selfish if i went home and whined about how others do not treat me the same way.

Passing through with cookies and coffee. Welcome to the boards ATruPisces, kick off your shoes and get comfortable.

I return you all to your Piscean convo. 🙂

it is selfish to help where help is not needed. why are you helping then? you're getting some payoff otherwise what the hell are you doing?

also, why are you assuming that being selfish is always bad thing? there's nothing wrong with getting joy out of helping others. recognizing that there's a payoff for you doesn't make you flawed. it makes you honest.

if i volunteer at a homeless shelter, i'm doing that as much to benefit them as i am myself. it makes me feel good to help people who are TRULY in need. others might be there because it looks good on certain applications. sure, they're helping someone in need but they're getting something out of it too.

selfless implies you are giving and want nothing in return. in fact, the gift can actually take from you. you may find no "joy" in the actual aid being rendered. but you do it anyway. you fulfill the need and expect nothing in return...good or bad, nothing.

whether you believe it or not, the crucifixion is an example of selfless giving. giving of yourself even when it hurts you. the need is so overriding that you step up. giving someone your last dollar because they're hungry. stepping in the path of a moving vehicle to move a child to safety. caring for a sick relative even when it puts your life on hold.

very few of us actually give selflessly. in most scenarios there's a payoff and ignoring it is on you. but hey, denial works for some people.

Welcome ATruPisces,

I was watching the *Dog Whisperer* the other day, and yes i do believe there is a fine line between helping/assisting when it's really needed and enabling to make ourselves feel better. Sometimes i don't want help, there is a pride and satisfaction doing things on your own and in your own good time. Unless i'm really tired or physically sore or something, then i really appreciate, of course. I guess we all have our own 'interpretation' of what help actually is. Aside from blindly interferring with someone, often, imo, help shouldn't even have an emotional connotation to it. You just do it.

Simple.

Anyway, Cesar Millan stated that you don't want to enable insecurities and be available or coddling too much. People want to know "you" have FAITH in them and in their own tools, so-to-speak. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part, we learn the most from our own mistakes in life. On the other hand, (as in the work-force), we do have our own limits in a limited time-frame (so team-work can become very essential.)

I agree, too, in that *true giving* is selfess and nothing to be given in return or pondered about later. I myself give people plenty of autonomy. My piscean instinct and gut ususally nails it, otherwise, when i am truly needed. On the other hand, i am only human just the same, and sometimes i don't always 'WANT' to help. Don't we all have or crave those lazy-ass (often deserved) moments of undisturbed bliss. =) I believe helping and selfishness are two sides of the same coin. Honestly, if i really needed some help, it doesn't matter to me "what" you are feeling or thinking, the bottome line IS, that you made things a little easier. And i'd bet that donation you gave, the payee doesn't care the least about the minute psychology of "the giving act*, only that his cause is recieving their own benefit. And nothing wrong with that, either.

Balance, circumstance and common sense, i guess, as in anything ..

and i realize i contradicted myself. selfless giving does not necessarily give you joy. i think in a way, it gives you nothing. it's not about you. it's not your need. so what makes it selfless is that it's about them and not you.

Posted by xr0yc3x
P-Angel... what you said makes sense and all but I just can't agree. Yes, i get satisfaction from helping others but it's not a satisfaction that i "pursue" for "selfish" reasons. If something or someone is in need of assistance i will do my best to help for unselfish reasons and not expect anything in return except appreciation. If someone WANTS assistance it's a different story.

Every person is different, certainly I am different from the typical Pisces .. just in the fact that I can "see" this.

I never said it was a satisfaction that you (third person, dah) seek for selfish reasons .. in fact, I said the opposite ...

"even if you're not consciously aware of this part of your ego."



What I did say was the Piscean perspective of neediness shouldn't be applied to others because it is not aligned with reality in most cases .... because the Fish will determine someone is in need when they are not.


You said you would expect nothing in return except appreciation and that statement is the subject matter of this thread .... and what Tubby just explained ...


Here's a reality check for you the next time you come across this situation ... people, for the most part, are polite and gracious ...

.. so if they didn't thank you, if this well mannered person wasn't appreciative .. then it means you just aided without being needed.

.. for if it was a mean, rude person who didn't have manners .... then why were you even excepting a thank you for anyway?




Maybe that will make it easier to wrap what I'm saying around your head.

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by xr0yc3x
P-Angel... what you said makes sense and all but I just can't agree. Yes, i get satisfaction from helping others but it's not a satisfaction that i "pursue" for "selfish" reasons. If something or someone is in need of assistance i will do my best to help for unselfish reasons and not expect anything in return except appreciation. If someone WANTS assistance it's a different story.

Every person is different, certainly I am different from the typical Pisces .. just in the fact that I can "see" this.

I never said it was a satisfaction that you (third person, dah) seek for selfish reasons .. in fact, I said the opposite ...

"even if you're not consciously aware of this part of your ego."



What I did say was the Piscean perspective of neediness shouldn't be applied to others because it is not aligned with reality in most cases .... because the Fish will determine someone is in need when they are not.


You said you would expect nothing in return except appreciation and that statement is the subject matter of this thread .... and what Tubby just explained ...


Here's a reality check for you the next time you come across this situation ... people, for the most part, are polite and gracious ...

.. so if they didn't thank you, if this well mannered person wasn't appreciative .. then it means you just aided without being needed.

.. for if it was a mean, rude person who didn't have manners .... then why were you even excepting a thank you for anyway?




Maybe that will make it easier to wrap what I'm saying around your head.

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You do have a point here...it is true we don't see it really. Gave me food for thought.
We get offended internally when we don't receive the appreciation we expect by having done something we were not asked to.

And there the moaning begins and the injustices of the world in our shoulders and bla bl abla.

It is definitely true what you are saying.

I too "selflessly" give.. and don't get offended if I get nothing from it, not reciprocation, not even thanks. Because I've (finally) come to recognize that "selfish" part of me that P-Angel and others are talking about.. I took it upon myself to assist without being specifically asked for the assistance... if they did not thank me, I don't get bent out of shape. I ALREADY got MY reward... the personal satisfaction I feel for coming to someone's aid. If they asked, and I helped, they said thank you and that was all I needed.... I already got my reward. (If that selfish person did not thank, whatever - guess I know better than to expend my limited energy on THEM again!) But even that is STILL to my own benefit.. I got my personal pleasure AND a "lesson" about others, that person in particular. So it's still worth it to me.

A little bit of "selfishness" isn't the bad thing some of you seem to think it is. It means doing something for YOURSELF, for your own benefit. That's NOT always a bad thing! "Selfish" has such a bad connotation that people immediately raise their hackles and bare their teeth. "Selfish" people use others to get something from them... money, sex, control, ego-stroking, whatever... and that kind of selfishness tends to hurt another person. But "selfish" people give "selflessly" to feel the unparalleled inner satisfaction of helping someone.... and that kind of "selfishness" isn't to hurt someone, and is no reason to get your panties in a twist about it.

Why are Pisces men always gay?

I agree with you Nefer, and Tubby said it also ... I was just explaining to this new Fish why he feels like a victim.


In accordance in true Piscean fashion ... his first post is about being a victim of circumstances **sighs

Posted by Nefer
I too "selflessly" give.. and don't get offended if I get nothing from it, not reciprocation, not even thanks. Because I've (finally) come to recognize that "selfish" part of me that P-Angel and others are talking about.. I took it upon myself to assist without being specifically asked for the assistance... if they did not thank me, I don't get bent out of shape. I ALREADY got MY reward... the personal satisfaction I feel for coming to someone's aid. If they asked, and I helped, they said thank you and that was all I needed.... I already got my reward. (If that selfish person did not thank, whatever - guess I know better than to expend my limited energy on THEM again!) But even that is STILL to my own benefit.. I got my personal pleasure AND a "lesson" about others, that person in particular. So it's still worth it to me.

A little bit of "selfishness" isn't the bad thing some of you seem to think it is. It means doing something for YOURSELF, for your own benefit. That's NOT always a bad thing! "Selfish" has such a bad connotation that people immediately raise their hackles and bare their teeth. "Selfish" people use others to get something from them... money, sex, control, ego-stroking, whatever... and that kind of selfishness tends to hurt another person. But "selfish" people give "selflessly" to feel the unparalleled inner satisfaction of helping someone.... and that kind of "selfishness" isn't to hurt someone, and is no reason to get your panties in a twist about it.

I love this... and so agree. The buzz I get is great; be it selfish or selfless.
I honestly don't know where my pisces rising ends, and my cancer sun begins nowadays. It's pretty muddled.

ATruPisces you are too cute. Damn Pisces!

I think that this selfless giving is possible when we are talking about helping out friends, and causes. I do get a buzz too when I have contributed to somebody's well being.
but when it comes to relationships..it is different...

Posted by P-Angel
I agree with you Nefer, and Tubby said it also ... I was just explaining to this new Fish why he feels like a victim.


In accordance in true Piscean fashion ... his first post is about being a victim of circumstances **sighs

Alas, the "martyr" tendency of some Pisces. Genuine "victimhood" ENDS when a person is no longer a CHILD with no or limited choices. Once one grows enough to make conscious decisions, they will have both mistakes and triumphs due to their choices. I'm no martyr, and I'm no victim. My life experience is made up of the choices I made, big or small, whether conscious or unconscious, planned or unforeseen consequences, or being unable/unwilling to make a deliberate choice until the choice was made FOR me. Life is a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure book with infinite possibilities and choices to make. No adult person is a true victim - they merely CHOOSE to be, until they CHOOSE not to be.