Public option—?? NO GO

the thing with this govt. & ANY prev. admin. is they wanna serve up this "idealistic" plan on a "silver" platter buried in >400 pages of beuracratic bullshit( that even exp. healthcare providers cant make out)..bad news folks if this passes... our resources are already depleted....you have a decreased census of medical students coming in across the board (compound that with the nursing shortage) AND WHY— would they wanna come into a healthcare system and work for beans 24/7 under a govt. plan— look at the VA. yes the docs and nurses make good $ and RIGHTLY SO!...so should the paramedics and emts??s ..i was appallled to learn the wage of an EMT compared to a fast food worker, actually. the fact is..you have increasing demand in the elderly and now the baby boomers with DECREASED influx INTO MEDICAL SCHOOLS, and DECREASED REVENUE, RESOURCES ( $ )..let alone work ethic..you think they want to enter a MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY DEMANDING FIELD when pay is cut?? BADDD NEWS, as i said get our economy back UP, stop outsourcing, cut our taxes, give refunds to people that ACTUALLY WORK ...and this IS coming from an UNINSURED AGENCY NURSE

our US healthcare system WILL collapse..MARK MY WORDS

and another thing...85% of births in our county hospitals are born to ILLEGALS, OUR HOSPITALS HERE ARE COLLAPSING..no REVENUE.Illegals get the BEST care PT, OT, Skilled nurse visits while us TAXPAYERS suffer and pay in for their care. bleeding heart i am..but for my family first and foremost..and we??re getting SCREWED .... PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT AND FIRST AND FOREMOST OUR LEADERS *LIGHTBULB* maybe THEN we might actually have $ for US CITIZENS!

adopt the U.K. plan stand in line to die its simple if you cost to much to keep alive then die make room for the next bunch of sheep to be lead around.

Nah... Actually it is The NWO plans for the planetary depopulation.

Hunger, unemployment, bankruptcy, unwanted wars, Aids, H1N1 is just the tip of the iceberg.

Blame it on folks like the fucking Kissinger and his memo 200.

National Security Study Memorandum 200
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (NSSM200) was completed on December 10, 1974 by the United States National Security Council under the direction of Henry Kissinger.

It was adopted as official U.S. policy by President Gerald Ford in November 1975. It was originally classified, but was later declassified and obtained by researchers in the early 1990s.

The basic thesis of the memorandum was that population growth in the least developed countries (LDCs) is a concern to U.S. national security, because it would tend to risk civil unrest and political instability in countries that had a high potential for economic development.

Thirteen countries are named in the report as particularly problematic with respect to U.S. security interests: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil. These countries are projected to create 47 percent of all world population growth.

The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures. It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures. The report advises, "In these sensitive relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion."





Just give me a single reason to believe in that the American lives are worth more than the others in this godforsaken planet?

It's not that simple - idiot. It's already been done with workers' compensation insurance.

we call it on the doall

Hi qboner! its been awhile huh! cant say ive missed seeing your post. and ive tried to stay away from the politics board cause idiots like you piss me off but what the hell im feeling a little feisty.

"Just give me a single reason to believe in that the American lives are worth more than the others in this godforsaken planet?"

Your just jealous your country didnt bring it up first. lol

""""The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures. It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures. The report advises, "In these sensitive relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion.""""""

Was he talking about taking peoples lives..... no. He didnt say our lives were more important. These countries had little or no sex ed. all he was proposing was a Sex Ed and passing out some condoms. He didnt say anything about abortion or any thing of the sort. So what you just pointed out was America stepping in, Yet Again, to help countries in need. Overpopulation causes starving famine and disease. Just take a look at these countries that were named and tell me if you would want to live in those conditions.

The reason why mainly Republicans don't want socialized healthcare is because wall streeters buy life insurance policies from the elderly. The elderly person gets a monthly payment providing some not so well off retired people to have a better monthly income. Wallstreeters resells these policies to people who don't get paid off until the retiree dies.

Why anyone doesn't want socialized healthcare is truly beyond me. Isn't the US the only developed country in the world that doesn't have some form of socialized healthcare? Furthermore, Americans spend way more than Canadians anyway and I believe their healthcare system is rated twentysomething in the world. (I could be wrong about that ... been a long time since I took courses on healthcare systems but I am pretty sure it is somewhere down there.)

As an aside, I think it is very odd how Americans see their position in the world compared to how the rest of the world sees them.

Here is a link on the insurance companies. this is very real as I have friends in academia who study and publish on this subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sally-kohn/death-bonds-wall-street-t_b_279202.html<BR>

honestly...I wish people who really don't know anything about insurance would stop talking about it.............or the health care system in general......I am a life-long diabetic and insurance agent. I have been through every aspect of insurance and health care on both sides [I went most of my life without health insurance and WITH diabetes] and know what the hell is going on. And those of you who think socialized healthcare is a godsend are stupid, selfish, or both......

Posted by Lactose Intolerant

The United States' healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world, right after Puerto Rico's. Look at the healthcare systems of those countries who have ranked above the US? What sort of system do they have? Healthcare should be run by the people and in the best interest of the people. It should not be controlled by big business, because at the heart of the disfunction is the belief that it's okay to make as much money as possible off of those who are sick or dying--to make as much money as possible off of those who can afford it the least. There is something fundamentally wrong with this belief, as it is one based on greed.
...and as I've said before, your job will be obsolete in 10 years.

Good Point, not..... Lets all suck off of the governments tits so we can be just like puerto rico, canada mexico?. Talk about greed. Greed is in the mind of people who need their government to take care of them. This is america, people are empowered here because up to this point our government has allowed us to be independent. We arent the number 1 most desired country to live in for no reason.

The help is out there for people who cannot afford it. Its called medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, government housing. The reason that Obama is doing this is for more power, more control, not to help people like you and I. If you want to be dependent on a gov. to take care of you, why dont you move to canada.

what that lactose intolerant striped tart fails to realize is that BUSINESSES not the government are the people - businesses are privately owned and operated by the american people, or publicly traded by the PEOPLE.... so to say that insurance companies and health care systems run by corporations are not run by the people is just plain stupid.

Her real problem is that SHE doesn't own the corporations and get the money. But guess what? AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO OWN, WORK FOR AND TRADE THOSE COMPANIES DO.

And by the way - the state of california [where you live jackass] has a government owned "non-profit" workers' compensation program and you know whta? It's rates are SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER [30% +] than the "big corporations" that are supposedly gouging people, and the CA work comp system is FUCKED UP and injured workers' can't get care or compensation thanks to the government. So there's your social healthcare system in action - FAIL.

Posted by Lactose Intolerant

The United States' healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world, right after Puerto Rico's. Look at the healthcare systems of those countries who have ranked above the US? What sort of system do they have? Healthcare should be run by the people and in the best interest of the people. It should not be controlled by big business, because at the heart of the disfunction is the belief that it's okay to make as much money as possible off of those who are sick or dying--to make as much money as possible off of those who can afford it the least. There is something fundamentally wrong with this belief, as it is one based on greed.
...and as I've said before, your job will be obsolete in 10 years.

mmm, your MO seems vaguely familiar..perhaps i have done battle with you before? my job will ONLY be obsolete ALONG with other JOBS in this country by the TWO HEADED MONSTER one body "govt" that we have. The real ones in control are not our "leaders" it is the elite like the Rothchild's...."let me issue and control a nation's money.. and I care not who writes the laws"- Rothchild


they drive OUR GOVT, OUR SYSTEM, OUR MEDIA you name it, there is no America IMO..we have been sold out

Posted by Lactose Intolerant

The United States' healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world, right after Puerto Rico's. Look at the healthcare systems of those countries who have ranked above the US? What sort of system do they have? Healthcare should be run by the people and in the best interest of the people. It should not be controlled by big business, because at the heart of the disfunction is the belief that it's okay to make as much money as possible off of those who are sick or dying--to make as much money as possible off of those who can afford it the least. There is something fundamentally wrong with this belief, as it is one based on greed.
...and as I've said before, your job will be obsolete in 10 years.

and BTW Ms. liberal DUMBASS....IT IS NOT BASED ON GREED...anyone here care to comment on the VA system?? OK I WILL...our "public" healthcare system as it stands now is BROKE! our VA is seniding out cases of maxi pads to a 86 yo african american male quadraplegic AFTER I CALLED AND TOLD THEM THEY FUCKED UP! imagine putting millions of americans into a system like that— HELL NO. look, im all for some restrictions against HIGHWAY ROBBERY

BUT you cant expect it all to be hunky dory..use your fucking logic! puhleasssse, where are we going to get the funding? maybe we should tap into some of the allocated funds from the "innocent" org ACORN..hell, maybe im in the wrong profession..maybe i should be a "PERFORMING ARTIST" so i can AVOID PAYING IN...haha

Having spent some time in america your poor are richer than most middle class people in the rest of the world. DO NOT GO DOWN THE SOCIALIST PATH.

Posted by Ms.P
"Its called medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, government housing"


Which requires you being dirt poor. What about the struggling lower middle class?

not true...another obama lie. if your cost of living super cedes your income you can get assistance. there are some wealthy people on welfare, trust me.

The definition of "poor" is open to interpretation and the standards for proving it are lax. The part that makes this an "Obama lie" is his contention that his plan will help the "lower middle class" as you put it, not the fact that there are people with plenty of money living off the tax payers....

In addition, the idea that the new plan will not provide coverage for illegal aliens is in fact a lie regardless of what the documents say because while they may specifically state that welfare will not be provided to undocumented illegals, the country at the same time will not allow local government agencies to require proof of legal residency. They are to simply ask "are you here legally?" and provide an address and that's it, because asking for proof is "discriminatory".......

Posted by *pisceseyes
our US healthcare system WILL collapse..MARK MY WORDS

It you ask me the system has already collapsed. hehe.

It is understood that it takes time for a good policy (especially something in regarding to healthcare) to get surfaced, but why can't US just mimick the healthcare plans of other countries that have a good-to-stable health care policy? Is it, still, because of the economy?

In India alone 50,000,000 live on the street in africa millions live in the open or grass huts, how many in england or the U.S. live like that?

To the people against this bill, what are you truly afraid of? I am sincerely interested. Give me BS. Don't give me rhetoric. I am sincerely interested in trying to understand your point of view.

(BTW I don't even remember the last time US ranked most desired country to live in. It usually ranks around 9.)

* The real ones in control are not our "leaders" it is the elite like the Rothchild's...."let me issue and control a nation's money.. and I care not who writes the laws"- Rothchild

* they drive OUR GOVT, OUR SYSTEM, OUR MEDIA you name it, there is no America IMO..

Pretty much. Governments are pretty much obsolete. The IMF and World Bank overpower governments and overturn government decisions based on policies of "fair trade". Which means unless a country wants to face trade barriers they have to open their door to things they don't want ... like the dumping of chemicals in the Canadian Arctic or preservatives in their food the governments FADs have said are illegal and dangerous.

Europe is fighting to keep North American cattle and accepting tariffs on some items because of the very real fear of BSE, which was a problem in Europe prior to the changing of feed regulations, feed regulations which haven't been changed in NA.

This is gross over-simplifications of course but you get the point.

* we have been sold out

Not yet. As far as I know, America is the only country not to accept a SAP (economic structural adjustment program). Once they do that ....

Of course, I am still shocked that someone thinks overpopulation is the problem. It isn't. Never has been. Countries where famines occur (like Rwanda) are actually self-sustaining, but various economic and political structures started in colonial Germany (in this instance and later passed to Belgium) make growth impossible. You really have to understand a bit of world history and the effects of "carving up this delicious African cake" to understand why some of what were the richest countries in the world (and arguably should still be) are now the poorest.

I already clearly stated why I am against it and gave an example of this system in action and how it is the antithesis of what the government claims this system will be.........................

It's always amusing how when someone disagrees with a position I defend they ask "what are your reasons/give me an example" and completely ignore the fact that I already have............... you guys really can't handle being proved wrong can you?

Posted by xangelfishx
what that lactose intolerant striped tart fails to realize is that BUSINESSES not the government are the people - businesses are privately owned and operated by the american people, or publicly traded by the PEOPLE.... so to say that insurance companies and health care systems run by corporations are not run by the people is just plain stupid.

Her real problem is that SHE doesn't own the corporations and get the money. But guess what? AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO OWN, WORK FOR AND TRADE THOSE COMPANIES DO.

And by the way - the state of california [where you live jackass] has a government owned "non-profit" workers' compensation program and you know whta? It's rates are SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER [30% +] than the "big corporations" that are supposedly gouging people, and the CA work comp system is FUCKED UP and injured workers' can't get care or compensation thanks to the government. So there's your social healthcare system in action - FAIL.

"oh no....someone made a genuine point and backed it up with facts....I know - I'll just pretend she didn't say that"

Posted by Chance11
and your bias is that you work for an insurance company. your argument that insurance companies are ppl too doesn't carry any more weight than it does for credit card companies. so what scheme do you think barack obama is up to..because he's obviously evil after going after the ethically righteous on wall street, credit card companies, and drug companies? before you know it he's gonna start saying something crazy like the price of gas is too high. american ppl do work for these companies and their profits are to the detriment of the rest of the country. i don't mind that you're a corporate hack with an obvious bias because you benefit from it, but consider that most do not. it's not a coincidence any more than it is a coincidence that big insurance is a top 10 lobby. it's funny how history repeats itself with these ppl and their anti-intellectual 'socialist' accusations..reminds me of Joe McCarthy accusing everyone of being a communist

You really have no idea what you're talking about.........

First of all, I don't sell health insurance. Second I am a broker - I work for my clients not the insurance companies. And third, I get paid salary, not commission so I don't benefit from over-chargin people for insurance - in fact I go to great lengths to make sure every one of my clients gets the absolute lowest premium possible and I have the largest book of business in my company. I am not a "corporate hack" and I am not biased towards the insurance industry - I do however understand how it works.
And guess what else jackass? Everyone who owns a business or works for a privately owned/traded company benefits from capitalism - unless you work for the government [which would make YOU the biased one] then you are making money the same way the insurance companies and everyone who works for them si - so why do you deserve a pay check and they don't? And what about the designer jeans companies that charge upwards of $ 200 for a pair of jeans that cost them probably less than a dollar to make? I don't see you railing against THEM - and you know what else? The government profits off of EVERYONE'S paycheck because they make money off of TAXES - and that is how government employees get paid. There is not one single entity not making money off of someone else's financial loss except a self-sustaining farmer who doesn't sell their crops to anyone.

Get a fucking clue people - you think being stupid and bankrupting the country is being politically correct......

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Posted by little_sparrow
To the people against this bill, what are you truly afraid of?

The inevitable. That the public option is gonna go through and people are gonna be quite happy with it (which they will be despite the best efforts of Limbaugh, Beck, et al to convince them otherwise). It happened when Medicare passed and the same thing is gonna happen with universal health insurance. Nothing terrifies these people more than the possibility that their "government is the problem" BS is gonna be shown up for what it is--complete and utter bullshit.

Try this out--talk to the next senior citizen you see and ask them their opinion on Medicare. Senior citizens love it. And with good reason, too. And I can speak from personal experience, as well, as my mom suffered a stroke close to three years ago and Medicare ABSOLUTELY KICKED FUCKING ASS when it came to covering medical procedures, physical and occupational therapy and even a goddamn computer that allowed her to work on the speech difficulties she suffered as a result of the stroke. In fact, had it not been for the prescription drug "benefit" (excuse me while I fucking vomit a little bit having to use the term that Repuglycans used to pass this heinous bit of legislation) that was passed in 2004, the cost to my mom and dad would have been close to nothing. (As an aisde, Billy Tauzin, Republican, and one of the main proponents in the U.S. House of the prescription drug rip-off that was foisted on seniors, after leaving the House went on to work as a--yeah, you got it--lobbyist for BigPharma.)

Now, imagine that you can ask anyone on the street--not just seniors--what they think of universal health care. If and when it passes you'll be able to and the answers will be much the same. We love socialized medicine.

The most important thing to remember about the fucktards on the right is that they project--always and all the time. Anyone remember 2000-2008? Essentially eight years of lies and a consolidation of power in the Executive branch of our government. Now what do they accuse Obama of? Seriously, there's a reason they call those on the left side of the aisle the "reality-based community."

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you too are an idiot and an ass..... first of all - this public option/government run insurance system is alre

lovely....got cut off

you too are an idiot and an ass..... first of all - this public option/government run insurance system is already in place in some parts of the country [like the work comp system here in CA that I mentioned] and it is a FAILURE.

Second - I'm glad your mother had such a great experience...however the majority of people on medicare do NOT. They cannot afford their prescriptions and their co-pays and not everyone gets the great care and treatment your lucky mother did. You are extremely closed-minded.....you have one experience with a system not even really comparable to what's being discussed and you want to "fight the good fight"....... moron......

I know exactly what I'm talking about because I have a real life, real job, and a BRAIN. I don't know how many times I have to say I have experience with the EXACT kind of health care system that's being debated before you nut jobs get it through your heads - but your arrogance doesn't make up for you ineptitude. And that's not nastiness it's plain fact. You all sit here and talk about how scared the evil, what was it he called me? "corporate hacks" [yeah that's not nasty or bitter...] are because someone knows better than you do. You pretend to be so PC and "in the know", enlightened - but it's a bunch of garbage and you damn well better believe I am SICK of idiots like you making things worse than they already are. So if I'm angry and feel like calling and IDIOT and IDIOT that's my business. If you don't want to hear the truth go watch barney and friends - I'm not the one who goes around pulling out insults about people's appearance or health, etc like you and your friends do - I only talk about what I know which is what you all post right here on these boards - I don't make stuff up and make assumptions about people's lives or talk about things that no one has any business judging a person for - that's all to you and yours. But you all think if you act stuck up and talk down to people it makes you look like you're better and smarter than everyone else - I have actual real-world experience with this so tell me where's YOUR information coming from? You don't know what YOU'RE talking about and you have absolutely NOTHING to back up fantasies about the way things are/will be. You make it up as you go along and try to make other people who have actual FACTS on their side look bad.

and as for "unnecessary" I already tried the post facts and discuss this intelligently approach - it doesn't work with your lot. And the name calling STARTED with your best buddy the freak in the stripes - not that you would ever want to draw attention to THAT. You'd rather let people skim over the rest of the posts straight to the end and think I just came in here calling everyone names.

and actually if you go back and look at my posts in this thread no where near 98% is bitter or involves name calling - maybe 5% at most [and completely warranted] however you call it "bitter" because you don't like what I have to say - which happens to be the TRUTH.

but please....digress some more.... go ahead and explain to me how I don't know that state compensation insurance fund [government work comp here in CA] is 30% + higher than the "big corporations" - are YOU an insurance agent? Do you know what the rates for insurance through these companies are? Because I DO - and I'd love to see you prove I don't know what I'm talking about when you have NO expereince with this and don't know the rates....go on.

and by the way, those 30% higher rates are the "special discounted" rates for a select group of businesses that are members of a certain oprganization - everyone else's rates are even higher. Yay government owned/run insurance option...........

oh oh ...AND...... that's just the office worker class codes - let's not even get into what they charge for jobs with real risk involved........

THAT is how the government runs an insurance company. But by all means - lets take THAT example and apply it to the nations healthcare... I'm sure it will work better.......

I agree.... the fact that she is telling someone directly involved in insurance that they don't know anything about insurance IS hilarious......

yes yes....you call it baseless assumptions and that must mean it's true.... I have no foundation for my opinions...right as always [please be conscious of the dripping sarcasm].

I did NOT frame the debate in any such way - I said I have direct experience with the exact same system as run by THIS country's government [which is COMEPLTELY different than another country's government running the same program] and that the system is a FAILURE and yes that DOES make my "opinion" on this subject right. The system in place at this time is supposed to be exactly what this healthcare proposal is and it has proven in practice that IT DOESN'T WORK.

YOU on the other hand have framed it like this: even though you've been stung by a bee you have no right to tell other people what it feels like to be stung by a bee, because that is only your opinion based on assumptions because you don't wait for facts

PLEASE NOTE: I have been stung by a bee = FACT; I have experience with THIS government running THIS program and it is a failure that is MORE expensive than corporate carrier insurance = FACT.

Debate over.

oh one more thing "I don't live in california" - funn, because you've said before that you live in san francisco. Last time I checked we were still in California over here.

DAMN CAT FIGHT

you americans think you have major probelems. Right now as I try to type with my whisky soaked brain not working. Here in Britian there is a bid to stop lap dancing tax breaks OHHHHHHH god the pain of it.

I am neither republican nor a bitch, and certainly not biased. Your last two posts have proven completely just how stupid and crazy you are so there is no point discussing anything with you further. Once I realize that someone I am arguing with is mentally challenged I take it upon myself to leave the conversation and let them continue the fantasy role playing in their own little world, so I bid you farewell and good luck.

I am a democrat moron and I never said otherwise. I want you and all your little friends to remember what you've said here the next time I'm accused of being bitter and slinging unnecessary name calling.

Posted by little_sparrow
To the people against this bill, what are you truly afraid of? I am sincerely interested. Give me BS. Don't give me rhetoric. I am sincerely interested in trying to understand your point of view.

(BTW I don't even remember the last time US ranked most desired country to live in. It usually ranks around 9.)

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO UNO: We are already bankrupt and in debt in the trillions. HOW the f*** are we gonna pay for it. It will put us further into debt.

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO DOS: Its being rushed, nothing is ironed out and they are trying to pass it with things like "death panels" in place thinking maybe we wont notice. If the government cant pay for healthcare for everyone in every circumstance then maybe they shouldnt propose such a bill as "public option" maybe it should be called "public option under xyz circumstance?"WAIT we already have that in place. gvnt assistance.

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO TRES: Why would I want our government to enact a bill that would ration my healthcare, eliminate specialists, and limit my doctors pay... why limit what certain people can make— this is america isnt it? what motivation are people going to have to strive to be better if they arent going to be rewarded for it... Oh.. wait thats what obama government wants. "Your not special, YOUr all equal" DAMN SOCIALIST BASTARD.

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO QUATRO: We already have a public option for people who have a hard time affording private insurance. Its not broke, so dont fix it. The people who do say "the medicare/medicade is crappy its not good enough, blah blah blah!" UUUMMM, its run by the government just like your precious obama care will be? what makes you think adding hundreds of millions more people to the government "system" will make it any better. lol 🙂 DUH.

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO CINCO: yes ls, the world/gov. is largely run by people like the rockafellas "big bank" ect ect. So why would I want to let them further invade my privacy and my life? Why should I like that they are going to FORCE the public option on me. I am one of those people who have a hard time affording private health insurance But I still like to know that the option for healthcare is available.

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO SES: OBAMA SAYS!!! Your private insurance will still be available to you when the "obama" care is passed" Yea, right. They are

They are going to push private insurers right out of the equation by imposing things in this bill like: companies who choose to insure their employees will be charged an 8% penalty by keeping Private companies for their insurance providers. Everyone Must be insured or you will be charged a penalty".... Yea, they arent gonna outright say bye bye private insurance, theyll just try and slip em out the back door. HOW HONORABLE IS THAT—? And Why would they try to impose such a thing in this bill anyway? Can anyone tell me one good thing about them charging companies an 8% penalty to companies who choose not to carry obama care?

OBAMA CARE BAD IDEA NUMERO SIETE: Its not healthcare that need be reformed, we dont need a public option(as ive previously stated WE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION!!!!!!) we need insurance reform for private insurers, Before you go saying, "that is what the public option is all about because obama said thats what it was about," the healthcare reform (public option) is going to be doing MMMUUCCCHHH worse things than the private insurers could even hope to accomplish. Ill break it down and you tell me the lesser of two evils.

Bad things about private insurers: 1. SOME dont cover people who are already deathly ill. 2. They charge alot of money and more money to those who are in dager of being seriously ill. 4. some choose to drop you if you become seriously ill, usually its because you didnt disclose things like you were a smoker who was bound to die of lung cancer. I AM SURE THERE ARE MORE TO BE NAMED BUT....
Bad thing about care from public option: 1. They will cover you, no matter the circumstance, But you wont get a specialist, or a doc who gives a shit about his job anymore because hes got more loans to pay than he could in 20 yrs with the new income cap the public option proposed, or will propose, shall i say. 2. If you are seriously ill and show little sign of recovery (and who would without a specialist, LOL) they will put you in front of a government run panel to decide, should you continue to receive sergeries and medicines that will assist you to get better (which specialists will be on the bye bye anyway so proly dont need the panels 😛 ) or should you be Prescribed Pain med while you die) What would be cheaper and easier on the taxpayers and the government wallet—?? 3.Already stated this but let me break it down in laymen terms for all those who didnt understand, They would assume you DIE if seriously ill.

I also love how Obama is pushing that this is to make health care more affordable. However if you don't maintain private insurance and don't sign up for the public option you get fined 3500.00 ....in the middle of a recession....

Like I said before this is all about control. Obama is a Marxist, this health care bill is an attempt at getting around the constitution. Period.

Wow....just read this all the way through. The only people who made an informed and intelligent argument are the ones against this bill. I guess that tells you how the bill even got this far.


Those of you arguing for this bill, all of you, have shown a complete lack of understanding for the bill itself, economics, the American Government system or all three.

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Posted by angeleyes
Some seriously retarded shit

You really need to get off the internet....

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OR WHAT? LOL. 😄 MAKE A VALID POINT PLEASE.