SweetAndSassyLeo
@SweetAndSassyLeo
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Reserved Leo Confused By Intense Pisces
Well, I told him, first of all, I wasn't going to sleep with him/have intercourse at this point. We already agreed to back off that topic. Second of all, I told him I wasn't the kind of girl to constantly call I guy I already was hanging out with. I don't have time for it and besides, we're both working or going to school. (He's preparing for his doctorates program next semester, and I have like three jobs, lol.) I told him I just want the chance to meet, have fun, and get to know him. I said I think we should just take things slow and seee how they go. If something more comes out of it, that'd be great, but I said I'm not expecting anything heavy from him. That wouldn't make sense because we don't even know each other yet really, lol.
So he says, alright. We'll meet then.
*sighs*
Driving me nuts already and we hadn't even met! LoL
Anyway...we set a place and time... Honestly, I wasn't expecting him to show up, after how many times we'd changed our plans. But lo and behold this nerdy but cute guy with modern-geek glasses walks up to my outdoor table, and he can't take his eyes off me.
To be honest, I found it intimidating at first 'cause it was the first time we'd met. But eventually I got used to his intensity and found it flattering. He was really touchy-feely, wanting to rub my hands and arms and thighs... I told him no thighs, not in public. (I mentioned on my profile I wasn't really into PDA.) He got the message and backed off some, but he still like to wrap his arm around me.
I joked and said, "What, am I your girlfriend now?" He just laughed like, "Whoa, whoa...don't get ahead of yourself now..."
To sum things up, I had a great night with him. There was never a dull moment in our conversations. It seemed so natural to be with him. Also, I'm black, and he has this preference for black girls--which was an added turn-on, lol. We had a ridiculous time of finding a place to make-out in his car (he felt his place was too private for the first time, and I live with my parents at the moment), but it was overall a fun adventure.
I'm still confused, though, because at the end of it all he asked me, "So...when would you like to hang out again?"
"I don't know," I said. "Soon-ish." I really wanted to see him again the next day, but I didn't say so because he said he wasn't looking to constantly see anyone--aka have a "serious relationship." (cntd)
So he says, alright. We'll meet then.
*sighs*
Driving me nuts already and we hadn't even met! LoL
Anyway...we set a place and time... Honestly, I wasn't expecting him to show up, after how many times we'd changed our plans. But lo and behold this nerdy but cute guy with modern-geek glasses walks up to my outdoor table, and he can't take his eyes off me.
To be honest, I found it intimidating at first 'cause it was the first time we'd met. But eventually I got used to his intensity and found it flattering. He was really touchy-feely, wanting to rub my hands and arms and thighs... I told him no thighs, not in public. (I mentioned on my profile I wasn't really into PDA.) He got the message and backed off some, but he still like to wrap his arm around me.
I joked and said, "What, am I your girlfriend now?" He just laughed like, "Whoa, whoa...don't get ahead of yourself now..."
To sum things up, I had a great night with him. There was never a dull moment in our conversations. It seemed so natural to be with him. Also, I'm black, and he has this preference for black girls--which was an added turn-on, lol. We had a ridiculous time of finding a place to make-out in his car (he felt his place was too private for the first time, and I live with my parents at the moment), but it was overall a fun adventure.
I'm still confused, though, because at the end of it all he asked me, "So...when would you like to hang out again?"
"I don't know," I said. "Soon-ish." I really wanted to see him again the next day, but I didn't say so because he said he wasn't looking to constantly see anyone--aka have a "serious relationship." (cntd)
Sorry for the long story...
I guess I just want other people's thoughts about all of this. The first time he said he wasn't going to meet at the hotel was because he said he was unsure whether I really wanted to have sex (intercourse) with him. I had to explain, I WANT to, but I just wasn't sure it was the best idea. He said ok.
I understand he feels really strongly about me. He was very tender with me and attentive and everything when we met, and even though seeing him for the first time was odd at first, I felt myself melting to him and growing more and more comfortable... I'm afraid I might have come off as maybe a little aloof because I didn't always know what to do with my hands with him... Plus, I was on my period, haha, which he didn't mind. For that reason, I wasn't able to be as "hot" as I'd like. I didn't feel as sexy as normal.
I guess I just want to know if it's normal for Pisces guys to be so intense and sexual in the beginning, and to be so iffy about relationships. I'm guessing because he asked when I wanted to hang out next time that he does want to see me again... I'm just playing it cool for now because I don't want to risk coming off as want something more serious.
Idk... what are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you think he likes me? Am I making him too uncertain?
I guess I just want other people's thoughts about all of this. The first time he said he wasn't going to meet at the hotel was because he said he was unsure whether I really wanted to have sex (intercourse) with him. I had to explain, I WANT to, but I just wasn't sure it was the best idea. He said ok.
I understand he feels really strongly about me. He was very tender with me and attentive and everything when we met, and even though seeing him for the first time was odd at first, I felt myself melting to him and growing more and more comfortable... I'm afraid I might have come off as maybe a little aloof because I didn't always know what to do with my hands with him... Plus, I was on my period, haha, which he didn't mind. For that reason, I wasn't able to be as "hot" as I'd like. I didn't feel as sexy as normal.
I guess I just want to know if it's normal for Pisces guys to be so intense and sexual in the beginning, and to be so iffy about relationships. I'm guessing because he asked when I wanted to hang out next time that he does want to see me again... I'm just playing it cool for now because I don't want to risk coming off as want something more serious.
Idk... what are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you think he likes me? Am I making him too uncertain?
Played big time, he even had you "talking" him into meeting for the first make out session (don't confuse your meeting with being an actual date).
"I understand he feels really strongly about me."
No he doesn't.
"I guess I just want to know if it's normal for Pisces guys to be so intense and sexual in the beginning, and to be so iffy about relationships."
No its not normal, not with someone they respect and want to see if they can form a relationship with.
"I'm just playing it cool for now because I don't want to risk coming off as want something more serious."
Don't worry about how you play this, you've already been played yourself, it doesn't matter what you want he got what he wants.
"I understand he feels really strongly about me."
No he doesn't.
"I guess I just want to know if it's normal for Pisces guys to be so intense and sexual in the beginning, and to be so iffy about relationships."
No its not normal, not with someone they respect and want to see if they can form a relationship with.
"I'm just playing it cool for now because I don't want to risk coming off as want something more serious."
Don't worry about how you play this, you've already been played yourself, it doesn't matter what you want he got what he wants.
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
Hello, all. First time here. 🙂
Just two nights ago I met with this Pisces guy and I have to say: the one thing that caught me off guard was his incredibly intense stare. But I must start from the beginning...
We first met on an online dating site and had been talking for a week. Even then is was really clear he had the hots for me BIG TIME. I don't think it's possible for him to have a conversation with me without stating how much he'd like to make me cum, lol.
Well, we're both virgins--and our shared definition of that is "never had intercourse." We also agreed neither of us wanted to have intercourse with someone until we were married. So he wanted to meet. However, he also told me he prefers to make out with his girlfriends and sometimes even do oral before deciding to officially date.
Anyway, he said he's only had a handful of girlfriends, but before we even met (about 5/6 days into talking) he confessed he felt so strongly about me now (our compatibility as far as values and beliefs, mental chemistry, my beauty) that he wanted to even sleep with me.
Anyway...we decided not to do the hotel thing, just meet and make out. I agreed to do oral, as well. But then the day we were supposed to meet he texted me and said he couldn't do it. He said he wasn't looking for something serious, felt like I was looking for more and that I deserved more.
What the hell are YOU playing at?
YOU are throwing mixed signals all over the fucking place, and then expecting another person to actually comprehend what you want, which clearly isn't respect. A woman who wants to be respected does NOT let a guy to whom she is not planning on having a relationship with eat her out.
PERIOD
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
... was really clear he had the hots for me BIG TIME.
I don't think it's possible for him to have a conversation with me without stating how much he'd like to make me cum, lol.
That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ was what you wrote as part of the beginning .. so this means from the start, he was making sexually suggestive comments to you, and YOU approved.
You fucking approved .. so don't come in here acting all innocent.
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
We also agreed neither of us wanted to have intercourse with someone until we were married.
told me he prefers to make out with his girlfriends and sometimes even do oral before deciding to officially date.
I'm not used to operating like this, but I can understand why this makes sense.
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Signal > you tell him you won't have sex until marriage = a sign of a serious relationship/commitment
Signal > you agree to operate in opposition of what you told him you believed, and that it even makes sense
Again, what are YOU playing at?
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
... from vowing to never have intercourse to making plans to get a room ....
What the fuck is this ——?
You go from vowing to never have intercourse - making plans to get a room?
And people have the audacity to come in here and tell you that he's playing you?
YOU are playing him .... YOU are presenting yourself to him as a woman of virtue, and then agreeing to have sex with him.
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
But then he changed his mind. Said he was confused why I'D be willing to have sex with him. I told him it was probably the same reason he was willing to change his mind for me--because I was attracted to what I've seen of/from him so far and liked his personality.
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Of course he changed his mind .... and I'm asking you the same goddam question !!! Why the hell are you agreeing to have sex with the man you just got finished telling him that you wouldn't do?
And that's just the OP
Later, you then go on to tell him that you are NOT interested in a serious relationship, which is utter bullshit considering you had oral sex with him.
Oral sex is having sex .... seriously, I can't for the life of me understand why people are telling you that you got played when YOU were equally participating in playing a head game.
You said shit like, "I wasn't able to be as "hot" as I'd like. I didn't feel as sexy as normal." ..... which means that YOU are trying to sexually seductive ... so don't you fucking come in here and act virtuous and shame on you people who have put on rose-colored glasses to express to her that it was all him ... because all three of you are NOT ignorant, so why are you pretending to be.
Thank god for LIB, who actually used her brain.
Later, you then go on to tell him that you are NOT interested in a serious relationship, which is utter bullshit considering you had oral sex with him.
Oral sex is having sex .... seriously, I can't for the life of me understand why people are telling you that you got played when YOU were equally participating in playing a head game.
You said shit like, "I wasn't able to be as "hot" as I'd like. I didn't feel as sexy as normal." ..... which means that YOU are trying to sexually seductive ... so don't you fucking come in here and act virtuous and shame on you people who have put on rose-colored glasses to express to her that it was all him ... because all three of you are NOT ignorant, so why are you pretending to be.
Thank god for LIB, who actually used her brain.
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
I don't think it's possible for him to have a conversation with me without stating how much he'd like to make me cum, lol.
Why did you lol after saying that?
You think it's funny?
Posted by SweetAndSassyLeo
Well, I told him, first of all, I wasn't going to sleep with him/have intercourse at this point.
I told him I just want the chance to meet, have fun, and get to know him. I said I think we should just take things slow and seee how they go. If something more comes out of it, that'd be great, but I said I'm not expecting anything heavy from him. That wouldn't make sense because we don't even know each other yet really, lol.
What the hell?
this just keeps getting worse !!!
First, you approve of his dirty talk to you from day one, which gives him the signal to continue in that direction .... then you tell him you won't fuck him, but, will have oral with him WHILE telling him you will only do the deed if married which is telling him to put a ring on it if he wants to continue, then you agree to get a room, which then tells him you want a serious relationship, then when he backs off because he picks up on your mixed signals, you then get "saddened" with the comeback of the quote above, which is now stating you don't want anything serious from him .... then you turn around and let him eat you out. Then you have the nerve to talk about how sexy you usually are but you aren't now and it's not normal for you.
women like you get raped
Lol, I don't think the OP is clever enough to know how to "play", he is playing IMO, by virtue of the fact that he's a pisces doesn't mean he's not, he hit the jackpot with this one.
Anyway, anyone who talks "cum" with someone on an internet dating site deserves everything they get in return.
Anyway, anyone who talks "cum" with someone on an internet dating site deserves everything they get in return.
"And people have the audacity to come in here and tell you that he's playing you?"
I never said he was playing me; he told me what he wanted/didn't want, and I accepted.
"... so don't you treetrunking come in here and act virtuous..."
Never said I was.
First of all, I'm thanking everyone for their honest opinions. I understand the risks, and I took them. Was it smart? Not really, but it was what I wanted at the time.
Being a virgin, I've never done something like this before. Guess I just got sick of being the "good girl" all the time. After nearly 25 years of holding off on all forms of sex, it just doesn't seem to get you anything, really.
P-Angel: you're right, I guess I was being sexually seductive.
I suppose I'm just pushing boundaries now. Just wanted to have some fun, which I did. Oddly, I don't feel bad about it. Just is what it is, I guess.
The odds of this turning into something more are pretty low, I understand. I don't want something too serious right now anyway because at the moment I don't have time to spend too much time with a guy, and neither does he. If it turned into something more down the line, I'd welcome it. Though, as it is, I'm fine with being casual and having fun.
"Later, you then go on to tell him that you are NOT interested in a serious relationship, which is utter bullbutter considering you had oral sex with him."
Ideally, then, that would work both ways, wouldn't?
Not saying anyone is wrong here; I think you all are absolutely right. Guess I just wanted to see what other people's feelings were on this--which are pretty strong, actually.
I used to look down on casual fun, but I guess I just had a perspective shift in all of this...risky as it is.
I never said he was playing me; he told me what he wanted/didn't want, and I accepted.
"... so don't you treetrunking come in here and act virtuous..."
Never said I was.
First of all, I'm thanking everyone for their honest opinions. I understand the risks, and I took them. Was it smart? Not really, but it was what I wanted at the time.
Being a virgin, I've never done something like this before. Guess I just got sick of being the "good girl" all the time. After nearly 25 years of holding off on all forms of sex, it just doesn't seem to get you anything, really.
P-Angel: you're right, I guess I was being sexually seductive.
I suppose I'm just pushing boundaries now. Just wanted to have some fun, which I did. Oddly, I don't feel bad about it. Just is what it is, I guess.
The odds of this turning into something more are pretty low, I understand. I don't want something too serious right now anyway because at the moment I don't have time to spend too much time with a guy, and neither does he. If it turned into something more down the line, I'd welcome it. Though, as it is, I'm fine with being casual and having fun.
"Later, you then go on to tell him that you are NOT interested in a serious relationship, which is utter bullbutter considering you had oral sex with him."
Ideally, then, that would work both ways, wouldn't?
Not saying anyone is wrong here; I think you all are absolutely right. Guess I just wanted to see what other people's feelings were on this--which are pretty strong, actually.
I used to look down on casual fun, but I guess I just had a perspective shift in all of this...risky as it is.
Ladies you must take responsibility and hold each other accountable, P is right she is playing a game whether intentional or not. He stated up front what he wanted and according to her statement has not wavered she has changed up several times in her own story. They are both entitled to their desires, but please take responsibility for your own actions when it doesn't pan out the way you wanted.
Actually, he *has* wavered and was the first to do so--which is why I was confused. He continually talked about wanting to meet another virgin and not having sex until committed, yet *he* was the first to suggest having sex.
This guy is driving me crazy with his wishy-washiness and timidity about attending social events (we're both more introverted, but he says he has social phobia), though I'll admit I wavered some, too (mainly on the issue of sex initially because I am especially attracted to him). But somehow we've been still seeing each other and he's agreed to go on actual dates with me, as I stated I don't intend to always give him BJs, lol, and I want to be treated like a lady.
The dynamics have changed a bit.
The initial intensity between us has mellowed some to be more relaxed and comfortable. If I tell him I don't like something, he stops and won't try it again. He's been very respectful of my wishes so far, which I appreciate. Strangely, he has admitted to being afraid of emotional intimacy--which to me seems odd because I thought Pisces were supposed to be more emotional... But at the same time he's very tender with me and is not afraid to admit that sometimes he misses me and would like to hang out with me again (sans the more physical activities, even). I tell him not to be so afraid, and he gets really quiet...
We both share an unusual view in how far we'll allow ourselves to go in the realm of sex, which I don't expect anyone else to agree with, but it seems to work for us. I guess, in a way, I kinda appreciate his honesty about his strong (physical) attraction towards me. Now it's not something we have to be hush-hush about and suppress; if we wanna be sexual, we can, but it's not necessary--not a dynamic I'm used to, though I figured I'd allow that initial "audition" period, at least, and give this one a shot.
If he's truly playing me, well, I guess I'll get what I deserve in the end. Though, it has never been my intention to "play" him. Yes, there has been confusion on both sides, and I think that's because of the initial attraction factor. As I said, we have agreed to keep things casual, but honestly I just don't get the feeling he's solely out for sex. I feel like he values having a connection with someone but said he's been hurt in the past so is wary about getting close.
I just want someone fun to hang out with for now, as does he, and I'm not sure if this will ever go beyond that. I just want to give i
This guy is driving me crazy with his wishy-washiness and timidity about attending social events (we're both more introverted, but he says he has social phobia), though I'll admit I wavered some, too (mainly on the issue of sex initially because I am especially attracted to him). But somehow we've been still seeing each other and he's agreed to go on actual dates with me, as I stated I don't intend to always give him BJs, lol, and I want to be treated like a lady.
The dynamics have changed a bit.
The initial intensity between us has mellowed some to be more relaxed and comfortable. If I tell him I don't like something, he stops and won't try it again. He's been very respectful of my wishes so far, which I appreciate. Strangely, he has admitted to being afraid of emotional intimacy--which to me seems odd because I thought Pisces were supposed to be more emotional... But at the same time he's very tender with me and is not afraid to admit that sometimes he misses me and would like to hang out with me again (sans the more physical activities, even). I tell him not to be so afraid, and he gets really quiet...
We both share an unusual view in how far we'll allow ourselves to go in the realm of sex, which I don't expect anyone else to agree with, but it seems to work for us. I guess, in a way, I kinda appreciate his honesty about his strong (physical) attraction towards me. Now it's not something we have to be hush-hush about and suppress; if we wanna be sexual, we can, but it's not necessary--not a dynamic I'm used to, though I figured I'd allow that initial "audition" period, at least, and give this one a shot.
If he's truly playing me, well, I guess I'll get what I deserve in the end. Though, it has never been my intention to "play" him. Yes, there has been confusion on both sides, and I think that's because of the initial attraction factor. As I said, we have agreed to keep things casual, but honestly I just don't get the feeling he's solely out for sex. I feel like he values having a connection with someone but said he's been hurt in the past so is wary about getting close.
I just want someone fun to hang out with for now, as does he, and I'm not sure if this will ever go beyond that. I just want to give i
I don't think it's possible for him to have a conversation with me without stating how much he'd like to make me cum, lol.
Well, we're both virgins--
I seriously doubt this.
He said he hoped things could work out long-term between us--
-- he also told me he prefers to make out with his girlfriends and sometimes even do oral before deciding to officially date. It's the way he determines whether he has physical chemistry with them early on, he said, so that he "doesn't waste anyone's time."
I'm not used to operating like this, but I can understand why this makes sense.
You can? Really?
Because it doesn't.
You don't let someone dictate that kind of thing to you as the basis for a date. Wtf?
This guy sounds
A.) As though he is trying to find out ahead of time if this is going to be a "sure thing" because--
B.) He is married, and doesn't want to waste HIS time.
Why do I say this?
-- he felt his place was too private for the first time
Bullshit.
He can't take you to his place because his wife is there.
And then, there is the matter of this:
because he said he wasn't looking to constantly see anyone
When he initially said:
he hoped things could work out long-term between us--
smh
Just no.
Sometimes, I wonder if posts like this aren't contrived from the get-go. :: rolls eyes ::
Well, we're both virgins--
I seriously doubt this.
He said he hoped things could work out long-term between us--
-- he also told me he prefers to make out with his girlfriends and sometimes even do oral before deciding to officially date. It's the way he determines whether he has physical chemistry with them early on, he said, so that he "doesn't waste anyone's time."
I'm not used to operating like this, but I can understand why this makes sense.
You can? Really?
Because it doesn't.
You don't let someone dictate that kind of thing to you as the basis for a date. Wtf?
This guy sounds
A.) As though he is trying to find out ahead of time if this is going to be a "sure thing" because--
B.) He is married, and doesn't want to waste HIS time.
Why do I say this?
-- he felt his place was too private for the first time
Bullshit.
He can't take you to his place because his wife is there.
And then, there is the matter of this:
because he said he wasn't looking to constantly see anyone
When he initially said:
he hoped things could work out long-term between us--
smh
Just no.
Sometimes, I wonder if posts like this aren't contrived from the get-go. :: rolls eyes ::
"We first met on an online dating site and had been talking for a week. Even then is was really clear he had the hots for me BIG TIME. I don't think it's possible for him to have a conversation with me without stating how much he'd like to make me cum, lol.
Well, we're both virgins...."
You are being so played.
This sounds like a story for the 5 o'clock news..."girl meets guy on line, girl agrees to meet guy, girl goes missing"...seriously..."talking" to someone online for a week and you get he has the hots for you? He's either married or a weirdo.
Well, we're both virgins...."
You are being so played.
This sounds like a story for the 5 o'clock news..."girl meets guy on line, girl agrees to meet guy, girl goes missing"...seriously..."talking" to someone online for a week and you get he has the hots for you? He's either married or a weirdo.
Whether he is married or not is irrelevant, considering what he does or says isn't factual in this thread due to the fact that he isn't here to speak for himself .... her perspective of him is slanted, since her feelings are involved which means his doings/sayings cannot be assessed CORRECTLY.
Therefore, to address what he does or says is merely gossip.
the only person that can be addressed about intent is her
Looks like two people above me never even looked in the OP's direction regarding accountability and only made assessments about a person in which has never been present to give an accurate account of himself.
:::: shakes head ::::
Therefore, to address what he does or says is merely gossip.
the only person that can be addressed about intent is her
Looks like two people above me never even looked in the OP's direction regarding accountability and only made assessments about a person in which has never been present to give an accurate account of himself.
:::: shakes head ::::
Posted by P-Angel
Whether he is married or not is irrelevant
I think it's the *most* relevant aspect.
Posted by P-Angel
-- considering what he does or says isn't factual in this thread due to the fact that he isn't here to speak for himself .... her perspective of him is slanted, since her feelings are involved which means his doings/sayings cannot be assessed CORRECTLY.
Therefore, to address what he does or says is merely gossip.
the only person that can be addressed about intent is her
Looks like two people above me never even looked in the OP's direction regarding accountability and only made assessments about a person in which has never been present to give an accurate account of himself.
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Thus, it should be noted, that you are addressing her responses to what you call gossip.
Which we would, also, not be able to assess accurately, because they would not be-- accurate.
You can't take it piecemeal.
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I'm not used to operating like this, but I can understand why this makes sense.
Anyway, he said he's only had a handful of girlfriends, but before we even met (about 5/6 days into talking) he confessed he felt so strongly about me now (our compatibility as far as values and beliefs, mental chemistry, my beauty) that he wanted to even sleep with me. We went through this really confused discussion from vowing to never have intercourse to making plans to get a room and have dinner at a really nice local hotel--and he said he'd pay for everything!
But then he changed his mind. Said he was confused why I'D be willing to have sex with him. I told him it was probably the same reason he was willing to change his mind for me--because I was attracted to what I've seen of/from him so far and liked his personality.
He said he shared the same reasons.
Anyway...we decided not to do the hotel thing, just meet and make out. I agreed to do oral, as well. But then the day we were supposed to meet he texted me and said he couldn't do it. He said he wasn't looking for something serious, felt like I was looking for more and that I deserved more.
This saddened me, but I decided to talk to him more about it. I asked him what he thought a "serious relationship" entailed; he said things like sleeping together, calling each other and handing out all day everyday, heavy emotional involvement... (cntd)