Don't touch me!

Ladies, don't you hate it when you're out somewhere (club, bar, walking down the street or WHEREVER) & guys touch you or grab your ass as their way of breaking the ice/approaching you—?!!!

In my opinion, a man touching/grabbing a woman (especially inappropriately) before he even knows her name is about the most DISRESPECTFUL thing he can do!

If you want to approach me/talk to me:
1. Come up to me with your hand held out so I can shake your hand or something
2. Ask me for my 1st name before you feel entitled to touch me in any way
3. Have a real/genuiene conversation with me (BE ORIGINAL)

But DON'T:
1. Grab my ass as I'm trying to get through a crowd
2. Yank me by my arm in hopes that doing so will make me yearn for you (wtf)
3. Tell me that your FRIEND wants to talk to me (If your friend really wanted me, he'd have the balls to approach me himself!)
4. Place your hand on my ass, on my boobs or in an inappropriate place while we're talking!

I mean come on guys! You may be a douche bag, but from MY understanding, most men prefer to HIDE that side of them to women so hey, if you want to "game" or appeal to someone, the LEAST you can do is START OFF disrespecting us!

Have you ever heard someone say, "When you're at a job interview, NEVER place your purse/stuff on the big boss's desk b/c doing so interferes with their personal space?" Well the same goes for women! If you can't approach/talk to us without having to touch us inappropriately/UNNECESSARILY, then find other ways to get what you want/get your point across without offending us 1st! Show some respect! SHEEEESH!

Men expecting me to take them seriously after they've grabbed my ass before even knowing my first name is the EQUIVALENT to me expecting a man to take me seriously if I grabbed his dick & told him to "follow me" before I even knew his name! Yeah...sounds pretty silly doesn't it?! I mean come on!

Posted by ianthepisces
there is a club here that is full of those guys....

i guess thats where the ladies go when they want to be groped...

That's what pisses me off the most! Some men actually BLAIM women for why they do the things they do! They say, "Well if she didn't want her ass slapped, she shouldn't have worn such a promiscious outfit." Wtf...What makes a man or ANYONE think he has the right to inappropriately touch ANY woman or anybody all b/c of what they have on?! Unless that woman has a sign on her back that says, "TOUCH ME HERE" there is no good/valid explanation for why a guy would do such a thing!

How would you straight GUYS feel if gay men came up to you & grabbed your dick all b/c you were walking around with your shirts off?! I'm sure you wouldn't like that very much. And I'm sure you'd slap a gay guy in the face if he actually placed the blaim on you all b/c you exposed a certain part of your body! I'm sure it'd turn you off & perhaps even make you snap/get crazy! Well NEWSFLASH: That's how we women feel when men come up to us & feel a sense of entitlement to grope us!

It doesn't matter WHAT kind of clothing/outfit she has on. And it doesn't matter WHERE she's at, whether she's at the club, a bar, at the mall or in church. It is NEVER ok to personally & inappropriately touch someone in an intimate way w/o their permission/consent. And it's pretty damn hard to get such permission from a woman if you don't even know her name yet!

I mean what is this world coming to—??!!!! Since when was it considered ok and/or attractive/appealing to inappropriately touch or grab someone all b/c you're attracted to them? Since when is offending someone before even knowing their 1st name cute?

For all you ass-grabbing guys know, that woman could have a boyfriend/husband somewhere close around. For all you guys know, that very same woman could be an undercover cop! For all you guys know that woman could be crazy/violent & push you down a flight of stairs like "LittleAquanot" did!!! For all you guys knew, that very same woman could have a crazy boyfriend/husband that's within walking distance of you & that could've seen you touch her! and oh boy, if that ever happens, you can hang it up b/c you'd be considered dead meat! For all you know that very same woman could've been raped last year and/or molested! I mean come on! It is NEVER ok under any circumstances!

Does the street name start with a 'P'? If it does I've never been nor do I want too. YUCK.

So?

I can't believe men do this either and really expect the woman to talk with them after it's done!!! It's totally ridiculous! I have had that happen and I will turn to the man and give him the death look and tell them to not ever think they have the right to touch me that way! I and my daughter have also told men off that have done it to our friends in our presence. I may have almost got us into a little trouble in New Orleans b/c this big group of guys started hitting on one of my BFF's and one in particular was touching and dirty dancing with her and we kept trying to move away and he was just moving with her. She is a very beautiful but too nice and passive at times woman so I finally said "let's move" and he leaned over to me and said, "quit being a cock blocker and get out of here". I was like, "excuse me but this is my friend and we are here together." As I was pulling her along he grabbed my arm and I in no uncertain terms gave him a look to kill and said, "don't you ever think you can put your hands on me! Do you understand?" Turned away and kept dragging my girl along...lol. He looked like he wanted to kill me but you better believe I was ready to tell security if he approached again.
Some guys are incredibly stupid if they think this works unless the girl is totally inebriated and what fun is that? It's like.."Oh goody, let me take advantage of this girl who can't even hardly stand but she isn't fighting back when I touch her inappropriately so woohoo!" So totally gross! 😛

I was walking once with friends and my ass got pinched. Without even thinking I swung around with both hands in fists and punched two guys behind me. One fell. 🙂 Not due to strength obviously, but the speed with which it happened, I think. I was so shaken by the whole thing...it was very upsetting. The only thing that made me feel a bit better was realizing that the asshole that did was less likely to do it again to someone else.

Mmmm mental file cabinet going...ahhhha. LOL Right. I'll stay here thanks. Not that I'm a club hound anyways, but that one gets a miss.

^ To Ian...

I've only been groped once and that guy is no longer a blip on my radar. It happened at my friend's house though. Other than that... I don't get molested in public. The main disrespect I receive from men is their inability to take "no" for an answer.

Ladies, don't you hate it when you're out somewhere (club, bar, walking down the street or WHEREVER) & guys touch you or grab your ass as their way of breaking the ice/approaching you—?!!!


OMG!!!!!! I HATE THAT! OMG, I'm not going to start now, I will come back later on this one ... OMG I can't stand it.

Posted by cappysweetie
Ladies, don't you hate it when you're out somewhere (club, bar, walking down the street or WHEREVER) & guys touch you or grab your ass as their way of breaking the ice/approaching you—?!!!


OMG!!!!!! I HATE THAT! OMG, I'm not going to start now, I will come back later on this one ... OMG I can't stand it.

Uh oh! Cappysweetie is pissed! (Clears aisle!)

The problem with hitting the man back after he's grobed you is that doing so poses a big risk. Of course every woman's 1st instinct is to attack BUT is that necessarily the best choice of action in a situation like that? I mean, I've seen women actually get struck/hit back!!! I don't think resorting to violence just to prove a point is the best policy, ALTHOUGH it seems like the right/best thing to do in the moment! The way I see it...if a man is crazy enough to put his hands on a stranger, he's crazy enough to hit back! And surely, most women are NO match for the men they put their hands on. That's the only problem in hitting a man, even if he's offended you; it's in the fact that we better be able to handle that shxt if he hits us back!

Posted by TurnWoundsIntoWisdom
don't look easy if you don't wanna get groped. or better yet, don't go to clubs or places where groping is almost guaranteed to happen. this one chick in my highschool went to a party, got wasted, got raped by a bunch of older dudes and then had the nerve to play the innocent victim. this is sort of the same thing...don't go to a frickin club dressed in a skimpy ass outfit and then complain about all the groping that happens there.

Wow, that was pretty cold-hearted of you to say. It's a sad day when the victims start being to blaim. Unless that woman has a sign on her back that says "Disrespect me," there is NO valid/legit excuse or justification for which another human being can justify disrespecting her. And even if she DID have that sign on her back, I'd have to seriously question the mental state of the sicko who actually took that sign's word for it & did it!

Rape is NEVER ok! It doesn't matter if a woman is half naked or fully clothed. It does NOT give any human being the right to sexually violate her. Sure, some women can perhaps learn to cover up more BUT surely the price should NOT be that she should be raped just b/c she decided to show a little bit of cleavage or thigh. I mean come on!

What if YOUR mother wore a low V-kneck out to a festival...should she deserved to be groped & brutally raped all b/c she decided to be sexy & show some skin?! I bet you wouldn't be praising the villian if your mom or someone close to you was groped, whether she was at a club type setting or not. Club does NOT = sexual harrassment/assualt.

It's NOT a matter of where you are. It's a matter of the level of respect each man has for other human beings around him that can determine whether or not he sexually assualts a woman or not. There are MILLIONS of women sexually assaulted in OTHER places (vs. just clubs/bars) just like there are MILLIONS of women who are sexually disrespected even while fully covered up.

Don't insult the men who can go to clubs, see women dressed provactively & yet still keep their composure. Men thinking they're entitled to sexually violate another person "just b/c" is mentally ill. And a man that mentally ill will sexually disrespect a woman ANYWHERE. And THAT is the problem! What in the hell makes you guys think you have that right!? That's like me saying gay men have the right to grope you in public if you walk

...if you walk around w/o your shirt on? I bet you wouldn't go for that!

The price to pay for being promiscious or dressing provacatively should NOT be sexual assult! What is this world coming to? There is no amount of clothing (or lack thereof) that can make a man come out of his shell & sexually assault a woman! A man who can see boobs/thighs/butt & think "she deserves to be sexually assaulted" simply b/c of that fact is a sicko & someone who needs mental help.

People like you (TurnWoundsintoWisdom) wouldn't dare say such a thing if it were YOUR mother, little sister, grandmother, girlfriend/wife or child were to be sexually assaulted!

That's like me saying a murder victim had a right to be murdered all b/c they choice to walk home alone one night. Perhaps, they could've been warned to walk in groups and/or to be aware of their surroundings, BUT since when should the ultimate price to pay be murder or violation? If we all had to choose, who should be kept off the street: Someone innocently minding their own business or the pervert who feels entitled to victimize/violate others?!

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Posted by cappysweetie
Ladies, don't you hate it when you're out somewhere (club, bar, walking down the street or WHEREVER) & guys touch you or grab your ass as their way of breaking the ice/approaching you—?!!!


OMG!!!!!! I HATE THAT! OMG, I'm not going to start now, I will come back later on this one ... OMG I can't stand it.

Uh oh! Cappysweetie is pissed! (Clears aisle!)

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ROTFL!!! Whatever xD

Well, it's like, who gives the dude permission to just come and cup either one of my cheeks? I went a friends pretty once and this big, tall guy that it was okay to just hit me on the ass :O! Although he was drunk but still, I then proceed to leave the basement .... I wasn't going to start anything with him, hell he was drunk and bigger than me -- I'm not stupid lol

Posted by KingofLibras
Eww for that matter, who would wanna rape an aqua bitch— A Real Doll has more personality for that matter

Damn it all, that's cold ...

Posted by Kylee_is_an_Aries

Posted by krysrenee7
That's like me saying a murder victim had a right to be murdered all b/c they choice to walk home alone one night. Perhaps, they could've been warned to walk in groups and/or to be aware of their surroundings, BUT since when should the ultimate price to pay be murder or violation? If we all had to choose, who should be kept off the street: Someone innocently minding their own business or the pervert who feels entitled to victimize/violate others?!

Let's not get carried away with these exaggerations...lol
A person who chose to walk home alone at night 'cause they had no other choice or whatever and ended up getting raped/killed and a person who chose to go to a wild party in a slutty outfit and chose to dance on those tables, give lap dances to guys and ended up getting raped as a result are two VERY different circumstances. I would definitely feel sorry for the girl who was walking home alone but I don't think that many people would feel sorry for the slut. Just saying.

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So if a woman dances at a party and wears a sexy outfit it means she is a slut? Hhhhmmmm....that seems to be very narrow minded and judgmental in my opinion. I like to dress sexy at times but I am a classy lady that is very choosy about my partners sexually. I also like to dance so I do go to dance clubs. This does NOT make it alright for a man to touch me AT ALL! No person has a right to touch another without their consent even if they are naked and they especially aren't bringing on a rape. It is a sick bastard that rapes women and it doesn't matter what the woman is wearing as it has to do with the mentality of the men who do it. Watch the movie "The Accused" and see how you feel about it then.
I just totally disagree with this line of thinking as I am not a slut and don't think it's ever appropriate or "brought on" by what I decide to wear or if I dance at a party or a club.

I totally agree with Krysrenee7!

Its not an accomplishment to not get groped, its good fortune. So Im unclear as to why youre proud of it. It also insinuates those that have been have somehow failed. Personally, I was wearing baggy jeans and a sweatshirt walking in an amusement park.

You're naive to think the majority of women who get raped are asking for it somehow by being in the wrong place or wearing the wrong clothes. Men who rape are sick in the head. They're not normally guys who see a woman they're attracted to and decide to rape her. That's ridiculous.

Posted by Shadows
Its not an accomplishment to not get groped, its good fortune. So Im unclear as to why youre proud of it. It also insinuates those that have been have somehow failed. Personally, I was wearing baggy jeans and a sweatshirt walking in an amusement park.

You're naive to think the majority of women who get raped are asking for it somehow by being in the wrong place or wearing the wrong clothes. Men who rape are sick in the head. They're not normally guys who see a woman they're attracted to and decide to rape her. That's ridiculous.

EXACTLY! Thank you Shadows! The men who rape and even grope unsuspecting women on a regular basis are the ones who are in the wrong! I have also known women who were dressed very modestly that have been groped and a very close family member of mine was raped and she was dressed modestly. What is even harder for me with these particular posts is that they are actually coming from fellow females. 😢

Listen...I totally agree and completely understand what you're talking about regarding women who may dress or act inappropriately. Completely. I'm totally onboard with that.

My problem is that the two concepts (dressing/acting inappropriately and groping/rape)...to me anyway...are not tied together in any way, shape, or form (98% of the time).

I just cannot tie 'sluts' to rape. I honestly don't think one has anything to do with the other considering we're not talking about a mans sexual urges. We agree that men who rape are sick bastasds, right? I don't think a woman causes a man to be a sick bastard. I think he was a sick bastard long before he decided to rape a woman.

Posted by Kylee_is_an_Aries

Posted by WackyGemini
I am proud to say that I have NEVER been groped by a stranger in my entire life.
Maybe the problem lies in the way you carry yourself in public. You rarely see classy, modest women complaining about being groped by a stange man in public. I am not calling anybody here a hooch but maybe those women that do get groped often are doing something in order to provoke these men....?

I fully agree with this. I've never been groped either and I'm proud of it.
It's all in the way you carry yourself.

P.S.-I also don't go to clubs/bars/wild parties either. There are plenty of other ways to have fun and stay safe at the same time.

You did say it...as did WackyGemini. That you are proud you haven't been (like an accomplishment).

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Posted by Shadows

oh my gosh, when did I EVER say that? I hate it when people twist my words to try to make me look dumb. I'm not naive, trust me. 🙂

You ladies can call me cruel all you want but you're not gonna change my opinion on this. I'm a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own damn actions .
maybe it's time these sluits learned a lesson. 🙂

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@Kylee_is_an_Aries: You have not been sexually molested or raped I take it and I am so happy for that. (I mean that sincerely) If you had then you would NEVER wish that on anyone!!! Not even a "slut". It is devastating to one's whole life and it is never a "lesson". You are young but as you mature you will find this out and again I am being sincere and not trying to be condescending.

The comment I made to Kylee above ^^^would be for you too TWIW. You would NEVER "deserve" to be raped or even groped b/c of being a "slut" or dressing scantily. If you were raped it wouldn't be a "lesson" learned but it would be a tragedy that could take your whole life to recover from...if you even did fully recover mentally and emotionally.

Posted by TurnWoundsIntoWisdom

Posted by Shadows
Listen...I totally agree and completely understand what you're talking about regarding women who may dress or act inappropriately. Completely. I'm totally onboard with that.

My problem is that the two concepts (dressing/acting inappropriately and groping/rape)...to me anyway...are not tied together in any way, shape, or form (98% of the time).

I just cannot tie 'sluts' to rape. I honestly don't think one has anything to do with the other considering we're not talking about a mans sexual urges. We agree that men who rape are sick bastasds, right? I don't think a woman causes a man to be a sick bastard. I think he was a sick bastard long before he decided to rape a woman.

but why make their jobs easier by acting/dressing like a slut infront of 'em?
you at least gotta make their jobs harder.

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It shouldn't be a "job" and nor should they do it at all no matter what a woman is dressed like or how she acts. Rape is a serious crime and devastation to anyone it's being perpetrated on. If a man is a sick man then he will rape a woman no matter what...at least eventually. We all have what is called self control and that should be utilized at all times. A person's body belongs to them and them only unless they DECIDE to share it with someone else. It is their "choice" and no one else's regardless of attire or attitude. No means no and anything else is irrelevant!

This is a subject that is very close to my heart and that is why I am trying to share with you in case you are wondering why I am so adamant in my posting.

Posted by Kylee_is_an_Aries

Posted by Shadows


You're naive to think the majority of women who get raped are asking for it somehow by being in the wrong place or wearing the wrong clothes. Men who rape are sick in the head. They're not normally guys who see a woman they're attracted to and decide to rape her. That's ridiculous.

stpatrickpisces, I was talking about THIS part^^^
I NEVER said this.
I should have been more clear in my last post, I guess.

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I hope you will still take my comments to you to heart no matter what you were referencing. This part does still relate to what you said previously. Men who rape are "sick" and it doesn't matter or shouldn't matter what a woman is wearing or how she is acting. Men who aren't already a bit sick in the head are not going to rape someone they are just attracted to no matter what they are dressed like is what Shadows is saying. Even date rape is wrong no matter what the date went like or even if the woman kissed/made out with the man but then said no to sex. "No means No" Rape is never justified.
These are my opinions I know but I know victims feel the same.

Posted by Kylee_is_an_Aries
Yes, I will take it to heart.

🙂

It doesn't matter. Being a slut means nothing more than the fact that she's guaranteed to be getting alot of nooky. Where does the "rape" come in? If she's grown enough to have consensual sex with someone, she may be a slut, but that doesn't mean she deserves to be violated.

You said it perfectly..."Why make their jobs easier." What do you mean by "JOB?" Who gives any man/human being the right to take on the role of sexually violating someone. Sexually violating someone is a CHOICE, not a job or some role a piece of clothing (or lack thereof) appointed to them. The guys that raped that girl in high school already had it in them to sexually violate someone. They just got even MORE coward & decided to rape the most vulnerable target. And to make it worse, people like you actually blaim the victim!

Who are you or anyone to hand down a punishment to a woman who is a slut or whom dresses like one? If it's anyone's "job" to handle that, it oughta be her parents, not some random immature & sex-craved high school boys who probably can't even spell s-e-x.

There is no getting around it. Raping someone is wrong, whether they were acting like a slut or not. Simply wearing skimpy clothing does not give anyone the right to say, "Oh she deserves to be raped today." Are you kidding me! You sound just as sick as the guys who raped her.

And if guys are so sick & tired of women acting/dressing like "sluts" then they should do all they can to stay completely AWAY from girls like that. What sense does it make to go sexually violate & stick your penis in something you claim disgusts you?! That makes NO sense.

And let's be honest here. Even rape experts will tell you that rape often has nothing to do with the victim herself. Rape is about power and/or control. And a man who needs power/control THAT bad so much so that they're willing to sexually violate another human being needs to man up & admit that he had issues whether or not that girl was fully clothed up or not.

I'd rather be a slut than a coward. Sluts may not respect themselves, BUT the men who sexually violate women (& especially the ones who blaim their own victims) not only not respect themselves but they don't respect others. So whose worse?!

Posted by TurnWoundsIntoWisdom
... but i just cant really see this as a black and white issue cuz both parties technically played a role in the rape

This is just about the scariest thing I've ever read.

TWIW, judging by what you've said it seems like the only rapes you've known or heard about happened at parties to some drunk girl who was dressed in short skirt, high heeled shoes, and a low cut top giving a sloppy lap dance to some horny guy. That does not even resemble the situation in the majority of rapes. Not even close.

I don't think you're cold hearted at all...I just don't think you're aware of the statistics, nor the reality of rape.

Posted by DapperDon
No, in all seriousness, people grabbing women before they even know them is pretty much asking for mace if you ask me. And it is not just disrespectful, it's not safe. Remember these words because it's simple and true:

Men fear rejection
And women fear men

Agreed 🙂! Ahem...you didn't come at 8 the other night to pick me up for our date. Now I am the rejected one.... 😢

Well how do you explain the fact that there are 1 million other guys who can see those SAME exact half-dressed women walking past them but yet those guys don't feel the need to do anything other than shake their heads & keep it moving?!

If slut=deserves to be sexually violated, than how come most men don't feel the need to sexually violate those women? There's only a small number of cowardly men who actually go looking for reasons to sexually violate someone b/c they already had it in them to do such a thing. So then they go & pretend like a woman wearing next to nothing is the same as her putting a gun to his head & forcing him to sexually grope her.

I've seen plenty of things that I think might "encourage" certain mentalities, but I don't think it's even possible to encourage a mentally healthy individual to rape another human being.

It's understandable to think that b/c a woman is dressed like a slut that she may be "easy" or a "good lay." And hey, if a guy thinks his opinion of that "slutty" looking woman is right, he can approach her & see if she'll consent to it. After all, if she's such a "slut" why don't you guys have the courage to believe she'd FREELY give it up to you anyways?

It's about respect. Fxck how someone is dressed. The question is, what gives any human being the right to randomly go disrespect a complete stranger? If I don't like what you're wearing, that's not code for "Go up to them & assault them!" I mean come on! Physically assaulting another human being is just cowardly, & ESPECIALLY if your only logical reason for doing so is to blaim the other person for your OWN actions.

If a man can't keep his hands to himself, it's b/c he's immature & has self-control problems. NOT b/c a woman's clothing (or lack thereof) can somehow turn him into a rapist

And if you'll notice, men like that are usually disrespectful towards most other people. Men like that not only don't respect "slutty" women, they usually don't even respect regular every-day women in general. So the common denominator in rapes is: men with immaturity & self-control/respect problems. NOT women who chose to show some skin for a night.

Men don't go from being completely respectful of women 1 during the day to being completely irrational/disrespectful at night. There's no such thing. A man that feels he's entitled to sexually violate another human being b/c of something that doesn't even concern him (cough: what she's wearing) probably had low respect for women period, whether the women he comes across are fully clothed or not

Posted by TurnWoundsIntoWisdom
don't look easy if you don't wanna get groped. or better yet, don't go to clubs or places where groping is almost guaranteed to happen. this one chick in my highschool went to a party, got wasted, got raped by a bunch of older dudes and then had the nerve to play the innocent victim. this is sort of the same thing...don't go to a frickin club dressed in a skimpy ass outfit and then complain about all the groping that happens there.

You need to grow the fuck up, kiddo! You know, while I agree that women should not exactly be surprised that a random asshole is gonna grope her if dressed skimpily in an environment where sex is the main course, it NEVER warrants anyone to do it! Did you just read what you wrote and how majorly fucked up that sounds? So some chick goes to a party and has too much to drink... that happens all the time. Then to basically say that she deserved it and had no right to complain that she got raped is some hard-core misogynistic stupidity on your part! Doesn't matter. We reserve the right to dress how we want, where and whenever we want, without having to accept that we might get raped. Shit... I was groped and I was dressed rather conservatively because it was freezing out.

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Posted by krysrenee7
That's like me saying a murder victim had a right to be murdered all b/c they choice to walk home alone one night. Perhaps, they could've been warned to walk in groups and/or to be aware of their surroundings, BUT since when should the ultimate price to pay be murder or violation? If we all had to choose, who should be kept off the street: Someone innocently minding their own business or the pervert who feels entitled to victimize/violate others?!

Let's not get carried away with these exaggerations...lol
A person who chose to walk home alone at night 'cause they had no other choice or whatever and ended up getting raped/killed and a person who chose to go to a wild party in a slutty outfit and chose to dance on those tables, give lap dances to guys and ended up getting raped as a result are two VERY different circumstances. I would definitely feel sorry for the girl who was walking home alone but I don't think that many people would feel sorry for the slut. Just saying.

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I'm sure this has been addressed by now (I haven't read past this before posting) but just in case it hasn't...

I don't think this is getting carried away at all. It is stripping it down to the base elements. Both people were in a situation they shouldn't have been in. That's it. This does NOT excuse the behavior of the murderer/rapist. There are streets were I grew up that we knew better than to walk down alone. Sometimes people did and bad stuff happened. While the guy who got robbed/beat up/killed may have "known better" than to go there, it does not make the crime "okay".

Yes I believe some women should change how they dress when they go out. Leave something to the imagination please. However, even if she's wearing a clear plastic get up... you cannot say someone deserves rape. Is it okay to rape strippers? I mean, she is dancing naked on the table after all, and my buddies are drunk...

Posted by TurnWoundsIntoWisdom

and yeah like kylee said, I was only talking about the sluts.
and that comment you maide about the girl who was walking home alone at night...that was just way off base. i dont even know what to say. im laughin at the fact that you even compared that scenario with the drunk slut in my highschool who got raped. she was already known around school as a huge slut so i guess those sick guys just took advatange of that. but what can you do? maybe she'll gain some wisdom from that experience.

Holy shit, what's wrong with people?

If the chick at your school is a slut and sleeps with any warm dick that takes interest in her, that's her choice. Perhaps it will lead her to a baby or an std or maybe just a lot of fun nights. Any way it works out, it is her choice. Once someone decides to take her choice away, it is wrong.

Go be the biggest freaks you want to be.

If you choose to do it, it's on you.

The same goes for the rape. One of those two people made that choice, the responsibility is theirs.

Posted by krysrenee7
Well how do you explain the fact that there are 1 million other guys who can see those SAME exact half-dressed women walking past them but yet those guys don't feel the need to do anything other than shake their heads & keep it moving?!

They are gay, obviously...

Ok, we get it, rape is bad. Now...

Posted by krysrenee7
Ladies, don't you hate it when you're out somewhere (club, bar, walking down the street or WHEREVER) & guys touch you or grab your ass as their way of breaking the ice/approaching you—?!!!

Does this actually work as an ice breaker?!? I find it incredible that someone would even try this. I have seen and heard guys mocking each other to "Go talk to her" but never someone say, "Hey that chick is hot, watch guys I'm going to go grab her tit... she'll love it".

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Posted by krysrenee7
Well how do you explain the fact that there are 1 million other guys who can see those SAME exact half-dressed women walking past them but yet those guys don't feel the need to do anything other than shake their heads & keep it moving?!

They are gay, obviously...

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If I saw a half-dressed woman walking by me I'd be like, "What the fuck? Wow she's so bold." I'd also be worried.

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Posted by LibraSid

Posted by krysrenee7
Well how do you explain the fact that there are 1 million other guys who can see those SAME exact half-dressed women walking past them but yet those guys don't feel the need to do anything other than shake their heads & keep it moving?!

They are gay, obviously...

If I saw a half-dressed woman walking by me I'd be like, "What the fuck? Wow she's so bold." I'd also be worried.

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I don't think bold would be the adjective I'd use but yeah I'd be worried too.

Let's not get carried away with these exaggerations...lol
A person who chose to walk home alone at night 'cause they had no other choice or whatever and ended up getting raped/killed and a person who chose to go to a wild party in a slutty outfit and chose to dance on those tables, give lap dances to guys and ended up getting raped as a result are two VERY different circumstances. I would definitely feel sorry for the girl who was walking home alone but I don't think that many people would feel sorry for the slut. Just saying.



LIBRASI😱 I'm sure this has been addressed by now (I haven't read past this before posting) but just in case it hasn't...

I don't think this is getting carried away at all. It is stripping it down to the base elements. Both people were in a situation they shouldn't have been in. That's it. This does NOT excuse the behavior of the murderer/rapist. There are streets were I grew up that we knew better than to walk down alone. Sometimes people did and bad stuff happened. While the guy who got robbed/beat up/killed may have "known better" than to go there, it does not make the crime "okay".

Yes I believe some women should change how they dress when they go out. Leave something to the imagination please. However, even if she's wearing a clear plastic get up... you cannot say someone deserves rape. Is it okay to rape strippers? I mean, she is dancing naked on the table after all, and my buddies are drunk...



OMG thank you! Somebody else gets it!

Ok, ok I get it. If a woman is dressing slutty, the WORST consequence she should face (IF THAT) should be people looking at her in disgust all night or good guys deciding not to approach her...anything other than rape!

I have been groped before even when I was covered to the 9! So like I said, the men cowardly enough to disrespect a "slut" are probably ALREADY disrespectful in general, therefore someone like me who actually WAS covered up got groped by the same type of guy. So what would his excuse be then?!

SMH. People are fucking disgusting.


So a slut deserves to be raped? I don't care if a woman fucks 5 different men every day, a man does NOT have the right to rape her.


And since when is rape even related to how a woman dresses. Rape is about control. A woman could be wearing sweats and still be raped. Women RARELY get raped all because they were dressed slutty.

Holy shit you people are ignorant.

Even if every woman in the world dressed in turtle necks and sweat pants, the rape rate WOULD NOT GO DOWN.

Its no wonder rape victims rarely speak out! Its bad enough they blame themselves even when they are completely innocent, and then look how fucking ignorant society is, blaming them too....whats even more disgusting are the women who blame women for being raped.

Posted by WackyGemini
I am proud to say that I have NEVER been groped by a stranger in my entire life.
Maybe the problem lies in the way you carry yourself in public. You rarely see classy, modest women complaining about being groped by a stange man in public. I am not calling anybody here a hooch but maybe those women that do get groped often are doing something in order to provoke these men....?

What the fuck you mean you're proud to say?

I could say that perhaps you're not attractive enough for men to want to grope you, but that would be just as ignorant as you sound by saying its a womans fault she gets groped. *Rolls Eyes*

Posted by Kylee_is_an_Aries
Of course, I would never wish this upon anyone (even sluts) but IF it happens, I'm not gonna feel sorry for them.

If you ever get raped little girl, you will eat those ignorant words you just spewed. Trust and believe.

You make no fucking sense, nor are you relevant.

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Posted by MsPisces.
Its no wonder rape victims rarely speak out! Its bad enough they blame themselves even when they are completely innocent, and then look how fucking ignorant society is, blaming them too....whats even more disgusting are the women who blame women for being raped.

I don't know what got sand in your vagina, perhaps you were raped before? Who cares.

The point is, rape existed from early days of human evolution, and only recently have we, MEN, decided to make it illegal, because that would even the plain fields for MEN to compete intellectually. It allowed civilization to evolve to what it is, but that does not mean that rape is gone.

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Right.

And murder is illegal because there are NOT enough people in the world?

Stealing was made illegal because whoever dies with the most shit really does win.

What the hell are you talking about?

No one said rape is gone or even a new development in human history... we said it is wrong. Period. I can actually make a case where murder or theft would be justified (without some crazy out there example too), not rape though.

Lots of things that were around at the early existence of man aren't here anymore. Depending on your beliefs, dinosaurs, talking snakes, my half monkey half man missing uncle. I don't care where rape came from or who "invented" it, it is BAD.

It is wrong to force you will onto someone else. That is why rape is illegal. It's not a ploy by us smart guys to "even the playing field" against all you stud muffin rapists.

I normally laugh or smile at what you say and ignore it but this... wow!

You are mixing arguments.

Is murder wrong? It is illegal...
Something being legal or not has nothing to do with it being right or wrong (not exclusively anyway, therefore you cannot make that your argument).

Now that you agreed that murder is justifiable
I already said murder "could" be justifiable. If someone is trying to kill me, I'd fight back without remorse.

would you not concede that being rape is magnitude better than being killed?
No, personally I would not. They have nothing in common. You justified a murder, try justifying a rape...

So here is the real issue: if women fought off rapists more efficiently, there would be less rape.
I agree. Start installing anti-rape buttons into womens cooters. Frankly, 95% of women out there wouldn't be able to fight me off if I came at them. Are you saying we shouldn't have laws? Just let everyone fend for them self? We have laws telling us when and where to stop our cars but we shouldn't have them for rape? Let society as a whole fight rapists, not just the victim.

Why should men always try to suck up to women?
I never said we should. I said men shouldn't rape them. Respecting someone else's choice means I am sucking up to them? Is it a display of my manliness to ignore her dismissal of my drunken advances? Taking no for an answer is giving her my power?

As for the whole "power struggle dynamic", what do you mean by they want "to be treated special"?
they have the easier jobs, they are treated better, they are constantly being flirted with and complimented, and always asked out by guys. That?

I'd wager most women would prefer if you weren't hitting on them at work. They go to work to earn their paycheck just like everyone else. The women I know do not have "easier" jobs, they pull their own weight.


Side note, I have no problem with the devil's advocate thing but I don't buy it with you. If you were playing devil's advocate just for the sake of discussion (which I do sometimes too) you would not be making personal insults. I don't know what got sand in your vagina, perhaps you were raped before? Who cares.