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today i went to my fiance parents house for breakfast. it was great. they had some friends there as well. i could sense some extreme tension between one of the couples. and having a pisces moon didn't feel like dealing with that kind of emotion today. so i left the living room and went in the den to watch a movie with my future bro in law. movie over, i hear yelling and a door slam.

the tense couple left, thank goodness. but this is the jest.

apparently when they got married the wife didnt have a college education. she completed 1 semester, but go back because she got pregnant. so she became a house wife/mom. at the time, the husband made a lot of money so he didnt mind her staying at home to take care of the kids. they now have 3. so finally the mom goes to school because the kids are in 4th grade, 6th grade and the 9th grade. she finished her education last year. she has a job. now with the economy being what it is, her husband makes good money but not as much as he used too.

get this she makes double what he makes now. but she still expects him to pay all of the bills, as he has been doing for a number of years. and he paid for all of her educational expenses. now, they are tense over the fact that he gave her a bill with payment plan options for her educational expenses. she doesnt feel that she should have to pay him back. since he was the one that got her pregnant in the first place. but i could swear it takes two for that...right??

he didnt say she had to pay him back when he did it, but there was no arrangement set up because they were married i guess.

what do you guys think?? would you give your s/o, spouse, partner a bill for the educational expenses your paid for??
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I think they're both being extremely selfish. If she is giving to the familial needs, and I can rather see her point. She bore the children and raised them..tot up the expense of a babysitter over 14, 15 years and see where it lands you; would really offset that college expense pretty damned quick. However she's going about it wrong. In a rather high horse pissy way. She was naturally right there with her legs in the air when he made his deposits of delight. Also her decision to halt college knowing full well if she chose too she could have had the baby, finished her courses and carried on.
They should sit down and divide expenses in a mature manner. If he is still carrying all the bills as before..and really his ire is childish if there is any..it was nothing he didn't do before sans complaint, and he'd like her to contribute it needs voiced. If SHE is picking up things now like groceries, medical, dental, ocular, etc. He should zip it. As should SHE and recognize his very real contribution. Not only over the years but presently.
Definitely a two-way street and something they should discuss privately, not have nit picky petty arguments in family scenarios.
My answer is 'no'. I would not present a bill to my spouse for educational expenditures. I would look at it as an investment for everyones benefit.
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I agree with everything you said here VB.
The thing is and i just learned this 30 minutes ago, she is not contributing to the household expenses at all, knowing that he has taken a decrease in salary. he still pays for everything. including her gas, car note, insurance etc.

I asked my fiance's mother, "so she is just banking her check?" she said, "she shops A LOT and brags about her husband paying for everything. "


i was drooling at the woman's louis vutton handbag with matching wallet and shoes....
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Ahhhha, so she's a bit of a twat and needs a slap to the head to get back to reality? ( Memo to me...purchase random pair of black kid leather gloves for unknown man to lightly choke his wife. ) GOTCHA! 😄

Have a bit of fun, kick up your Louboutins, and put that shiat in the BANK. In a safe. Sock it away so you can do reallllllly fun stuff; afford your denture cream, heart meds and Preparation H in your golden years. Get a snazzy holding sack for your oxygen tank or colostomy bag. To get a can of peas with that bulk rice and tin of Fancy Feast. You know, the important shit you need before your kids come over to change your diaper. If you're lucky and not an inconvenience to be socked away in a nursing home.
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Posted by cowpuncher


If she's not going to cough up the dough for 50% of the expenses, despite having it, then what does that say about her dedication to her family?



exactly what i was thinking. but her lack of dedication to her family shows also, by trying to blame her pregnancies on him. like he put a knife to her neck and made her do it. and like VB said she could have kept going to school in between children, she didnt have her second child until 3 years later .
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If she's not going to cough up the dough for 50% of the expenses, despite having it, then what does that say about her dedication to her family?



exactly what i was thinking. but her lack of dedication to her family shows also, by trying to blame her pregnancies on him. like he put a knife to her neck and made her do it. and like VB said she could have kept going to school in between children, she didnt have her second child until 3 years later .



I've got no idea what you look like, and I don't care... you get up right now, go to your guy, and tell him he's a lucky dog. He caught a sensible one. 😉
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thank you very much 🙂
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I agree with VB that any educational expenses should be considered an investment in the family and the future to help ensure financial stability and a higher quality of life. I would venture to guess she still has outstanding student loans being paid on as well, which she should assume now that she is working.

As for her continuing her education in between children, there really was no reason for her to stop to begin with regardless of giving birth. That was a conscious choice on her part (or maybe a joint decision). However, there is no reason that she couldn't have made arrangements for care or even bring her newborn to class with her if necessary (that's what I did). People make too many excuses for their own laziness, lack of integrity and drive!

As for the bills, there is no question that she should be contributing. It is very selfish on her part to expect her husband to take care of her financially. It would not surprise me if she is banking some of that money with plans of leaving her husband. The whole scenario just sits wrong with me.
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I agree with VB that any educational expenses should be considered an investment in the family and the future to help ensure financial stability and a higher quality of life. I would venture to guess she still has outstanding student loans being paid on as well, which she should assume now that she is working.

As for her continuing her education in between children, there really was no reason for her to stop to begin with regardless of giving birth. That was a conscious choice on her part (or maybe a joint decision). However, there is no reason that she couldn't have made arrangements for care or even bring her newborn to class with her if necessary (that's what I did). People make too many excuses for their own laziness, lack of integrity and drive!

As for the bills, there is no question that she should be contributing. It is very selfish on her part to expect her husband to take care of her financially. It would not surprise me if she is banking some of that money with plans of leaving her husband. The whole scenario just sits wrong with me.



no, no student loans, he paid in full with cash every semester. thats how much money he was making.
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Posted by ZipZapZoooom
Atleast one of them is not telling the whole truth? or else how would the wife feel compelled to brag about how he got her expensive things, while at the same time complaining about bills? Do you know their signs?



let me explain more clearly, because i was not clear. while my future mother in law and her virgo friend are out shopping. she brags about not having to pay bills or anything else because her husband does. so therefore she can spend her money on louis vutton handbags and such. that is what was said.

at the time of posting this i was still there, and using my phone i should have waited till i got home and used the laptop. but being on the phone for so long is rude. so this fact wasnt clear.
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the facts are this
both of them said that the husband (who is a leo/virgo cusp) pays all of the monetary family obligations and her car note, gas, and insurance.

they both said she does not pay anything thing, NOTHING. but for the things she wants to buy.

they both said he paid for her college tuition and expenses.

they both said that he gave her a bill with payment options.

so neither is lying and there is no one side to the story. she believes she shouldnt have to pay him back or pay any of the bills etc, since he is the man of the house, and even though his salary has been reduced he can still pay for everything.
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i dont know her reasoning, i thought it was quite selfish and childish myself. my fiance said the husband only paid for her education because it was something his wife wanted to do and he figure they could benefit from the double income when she got a job. seeing how the economy was taking a down turn. she has been working making a lot of money for over a year and has not contributed anything to the family. whats so bold and shocking is, she doesnt contest any of this.


i think its weird. people are strange.
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Posted by chemengin

both of them said that the husband (who is a leo/virgo cusp) pays all of the monetary family obligations and her car note, gas, and insurance.

they both said she does not pay anything thing, NOTHING. but for the things she wants to buy.

they both said he paid for her college tuition and expenses.

they both said that he gave her a bill with payment options.








My point was, and still is .... you were told this information by another party = second hand information.

You were told by another person that ....

"they both said she does not pay anything thing, NOTHING. but for the things she wants to buy.

they both said he paid for her college tuition and expenses.

they both said that he gave her a bill with payment options."



These two people that you are gossiping about aren't the ones who told you the above .... other people told you that information. And we know they didn't tell you because you went into another room to watch television because you didn't want to be in the room with them.


YOu don't want to be in a room with them then come here to talk about them, their own friends (your in-laws) talk about them behind their back ..... that pretty much you and them the bad guys.


No matter what terms or conditions these two people have decided to place on their marriage is none of your fucking business to come in here and gossip about it, as if they should hold themselves to your standards. And furthermmore, I sincerely hope that they realize that their so-called friends (your in-laws) are two-faced, and talk shit about them.

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I just kind of skimmed through this but what caught my attention the most is:


" The thing is and i just learned this 30 minutes ago, she is not contributing to the household expenses at all, knowing that he has taken a decrease in salary. he still pays for everything. including her gas, car note, insurance etc."

She sounds like the selfish one. I mean really she expects him to pay ALL the BILLS and her stuff too and she makes double his income..He should have made her tired ass keep going to school while she was pregnant...There may be more to this, but this doesn't sound like love or commitment to me.
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both of them said that the husband (who is a leo/virgo cusp) pays all of the monetary family obligations and her car note, gas, and insurance.

they both said she does not pay anything thing, NOTHING. but for the things she wants to buy.

they both said he paid for her college tuition and expenses.

they both said that he gave her a bill with payment options.





My point was, and still is .... you were told this information by another party = second hand information.

You were told by another person that ....

"they both said she does not pay anything thing, NOTHING. but for the things she wants to buy.

they both said he paid for her college tuition and expenses.

they both said that he gave her a bill with payment options."



These two people that you are gossiping about aren't the ones who told you the above .... other people told you that information. And we know they didn't tell you because you went into another room to watch television because you didn't want to be in the room with them.


YOu don't want to be in a room with them then come here to talk about them, their own friends (your in-laws) talk about them behind their back ..... that pretty much you and them the bad guys.


No matter what terms or conditions these two people have decided to place on their marriage is none of your fucking business to come in here and gossip about it, as if they should hold themselves to your standards. And furthermmore, I sincerely hope that they realize that their so-called friends (your in-laws) are two-faced, and talk shit about them.

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ok i posted this to get others opinions on the situation. your opinion is that me and my in-laws are two faced, backstabbing, judgemental bitches, that should keep their fucking mouth shut about this couples business. i can take that. although this information was shared amongst family, then relayed to this board anonymously i didnt see harm in that. but obviously this upsets you and you find it morally apprehensive. i can take that too. thats for your post.
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Posted by Striking
I just kind of skimmed through this but what caught my attention the most is:


" The thing is and i just learned this 30 minutes ago, she is not contributing to the household expenses at all, knowing that he has taken a decrease in salary. he still pays for everything. including her gas, car note, insurance etc."

She sounds like the selfish one. I mean really she expects him to pay ALL the BILLS and her stuff too and she makes double his income..He should have made her tired ass keep going to school while she was pregnant...There may be more to this, but this doesn't sound like love or commitment to me.



well my mother in law is in distress now. the crazy woman went to see a lawyer about a divorce. but she doesnt want custody of the children. 😢 this is sad.
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OH!!! Thats to bad, I don't know the whole story and he could have done more then we know, but its hard for me to not look sideways at a woman that would leave her kids with their father unless she couldnt take care of them financially, or physically and well doesn't seem to be the case. She's on her feet and ready to fly I guess..This was interesting oddly enough happens everyday and we hear about it more then not. There was no names or pics shared so its not a big deal. Infact it may have been enlightening for someone.
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Posted by ZipZapZoooom
ok sounds genuine. And I wasnt saying either of them lied, just maybe not disclosed the whole truth, something like - husband being able to pay but still wanting the wife to take it quoting reasons that he's not earning the same as before where maybe he's jealous that she's getting to spend away her money and wants to reign her in.

Still though, her staying at home had covered a lot of nanny bills, like VB said, and after a whole lifetime of household chores and wifely duties, she's getting some breather time now IMHO. I'm thinking he's just not able to cope with the fact that only his money is being used for home maintenance and kids while hers is being squandered away. Men and Money - a whole nother beast to handle - hey who's gonna pay for their porn extravaganzas (I'm not saying he does, but thats what first strikes me).

Anyway, she does seem odd in saying that she wouldnt support the family. Hopefully she does have a good reason for saying that, or she's really childish acting out like that as a tit for tat 🙂


that is a different take on it, he could be bitter that she spending so leisurely and he has to pay all the bills and take care of the home.

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Posted by chemengin
Posted by Striking
I just kind of skimmed through this but what caught my attention the most is:


" The thing is and i just learned this 30 minutes ago, she is not contributing to the household expenses at all, knowing that he has taken a decrease in salary. he still pays for everything. including her gas, car note, insurance etc."

She sounds like the selfish one. I mean really she expects him to pay ALL the BILLS and her stuff too and she makes double his income..He should have made her tired ass keep going to school while she was pregnant...There may be more to this, but this doesn't sound like love or commitment to me.



well my mother in law is in distress now. the crazy woman went to see a lawyer about a divorce. but she doesnt want custody of the children. 😢 this is sad.
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Ummm... yeah, I called it. As I said "It would not surprise me if she is banking some of that money with plans of leaving her husband."
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Posted by chemengin

well my mother in law is in distress now. the crazy woman went to see a lawyer about a divorce. but she doesnt want custody of the children. 😢 this is sad.








why would your MIL be in distress?

why is it sad?



You made this thread to talk trash about this other woman, and while trashing her you make sure to build the guy up and not mention anything he does wrong in the relationship, eventhough it takes two to tango ... so eventhough your tongue "says" the woman and your MIL are friends .. it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what side you and the in-laws are siding with = the man's (eventhough it's not even your fucking business to be siding with either of them).


And now that the drama has deepened for your gossiping pleasure to state that the woman is going to divorce this wonderful man who is a victim .... now it's sad? Now it's distressful for your MIL?


first - this woman is horrible
then - it's horrible that she's leaving


And you seem to be eating it right up .... I'd say your SO has likely chosen you because you are just like his mother.
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Posted by P-Angel
Posted by chemengin

well my mother in law is in distress now. the crazy woman went to see a lawyer about a divorce. but she doesnt want custody of the children. 😢 this is sad.

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why would your MIL be in distress?
because they are her best friends. she is god mother to their children. and she loves them...which is something that you seem to not possess.

why is it sad?
its sad because this selfish bitch is breaking up her home over some stupid shit. im sad for the children.

i thought that was common sense. i did mention they had 3 kids.






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thanks for sharing your disgust.





Should the lady you're talking about thank you for sharing your disgust with us, regarding her personal life?



really how would she know. LMAO your getting ridiculous.
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No, rather hitting the nail on the head, and you don't know how to justify yourself now, so your comeback is to say I'm getting ridiculous.


People who talk about others behind their backs, never know that the people are talking behind thier backs ... otherwise, it wouldn't be behind their back, now would it?

She doesn't have to know ... you know, I know because I am sitting her listening to you be two-faced .. if when this woman is in front of you, you act like you're not a busy-body about her business.

For you to say something like, "really how would she know", is a clear indication to me that you have no conscience about what you are doing, and think it's perfectly alright, so long as the person you are trashing isn't aware of it.


Aquarius much?
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why is it sad?
its sad because this selfish bitch is breaking up her home over some stupid shit. im sad for the children.

i thought that was common sense. i did mention they had 3 kids.

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You said the above ^^^^^^^


Now you're calling her selfish and a bitch, and making a claim that you know the why's behind their marital life?


Common sense is this .... unless you are walking in their shoes, you don't know shit
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oh this is because im aquarius. oh i see. so your going to resort to name calling and such to try to get under my skin and all that. right like ive seen you spreading your poisonous personality all over this website.


oh ok its my turn: that cool 😄

but you gonna have to do something better than attack my character and call me names sweetheart. thats not going to do it.

anything else you wanna add to your little rant go right ahead.

BRING IT!

THIS WONT BE DELETED I WONT BLOCK YOU AND I WILL NOT BACK INTO A CORNER. SO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, DO IT.
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Posted by chemengin

so your going to resort to name calling






I'm talking to you .. you being a person who is present and can speak for herself and defend herself if she feels it to be necessary. I'm talking directly to you, about you.



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its sad because this selfish bitch is breaking up her home over some stupid shit.

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You call a person names behind her back, and when this is pointed out, your response suggests that it's ok since she isn't aware of it.
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I have nothing to bring except logic, which I've already presented.

You have nothing to say to justify yourself, so you resort to yelling emotionally (caps and exclamation marks) ...


There is nothing more for me to bring to it ... because nothing more is needed.


My assertion remains the same, as I say this to you, to your face (unlike you who is two-faced) ..... you are talking about and making character judgement calls on a person to whom a second party is telling you information.

This isn't fact you are talking about ... it is gossip
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so your going to resort to name calling






I'm talking to you .. you being a person who is present and can speak for herself and defend herself if she feels it to be necessary. I'm talking directly to you, about you.



Posted by chemengin

its sad because this selfish bitch is breaking up her home over some stupid shit.




You call a person names behind her back, and when this is pointed out, your response suggests that it's ok since she isn't aware of it.
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but see your assuming a hell of a lot. but i noticed you do that all over this website. you assume that we talking about her behind her back and not telling her anything to her face.

this is not the first time i've heard this situation. the virgo herself told me her husband will continue to pay the bills because that is what a husband is suppose to do...giving me advice i guess....then and there i told her thats fucked up...ergo why she doesnt really talk to me.

your ASSUMING that i didnt call her selfish to her face, when i was the one that saw her stepping out of the law office when i went to see my lawyer on another matter. but, i didnt tell my MIL. i let her friend tell her.

see all of this ranting and raving and bitching you are doing...is based on assumption. if you had any questions to verify this information i would have told you. but no you go off on your p-angel war path and start assuming shit that is not true.


and if you assume that aquas are backstabbing two faced bitches...then THATS YOUR FAULT. i am an upfront in your face aqua that dont mind telling you when you fucking up and when you are making a mistake. that comes with telling me your business. my motto is if you dont want me to comment on what you are telling me then dont tell me your business. EVERYONE IRL knows that.
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Posted by chemengin

... the virgo herself told me ....








Of course, the story changes once the shackles go up ... earlier, when you weren't back into a corner and speaking from an innocent position, in which you felt safe to tell the truth ... you said you were told this information from both your in laws.


Now, you've changed it up to say she told you ... herself


Don't worry, nobody will know what it means to change the story ... your secret is safe.
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Posted by chemengin

.... when i was the one that saw her stepping out of the law office when i went to see my lawyer on another matter.








Is this your backwards way of saying that because you saw her at a law office that it means she must be filing for divorce? So, you're the one starting the rumors?

Why else would you use that as a defense?

You said it for the purpose to proving to me that you're right, that she is all those things you said she is ... and your proof is because she has a lawyer.
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Posted by chemengin
i posted this with no names,cities states, nor any other identifying detail. unless the bitch is psychic and she is in fact YOU. how the fuck is she going to know that i posted this to share an experience of relationships that we can ALL learn from.






So, you admit ... you don't mind gossiping behind someone elses back, so long as they don't know.


It's not about whether they know or not .... it's about your integrity.
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