AlaniaB
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Are Scorpios Emotional Sadomasochists?
Lol Scorpios can be good at realizing they're the ones who end up fucking things over most of the time. I think strong fears and beliefs like that does allow them to have self-fullfulling prophecies.
I've feared being hurt or betrayed, but I haven't sabotaged a relationship because of it. I work through that on my own, or by confiding in a close friend, to figure out if I have a reason for the fear or it's just based on being scared of having repeats of past hurts.
Good that you've gotten better with the sabotage response!
I've been trying to recall if any Scorpios I've known have sabotaged like you described. Not that I'm aware of, but I have definitely known non-Scorpios with sun and/or moon and/or personal planets in the 8th house who have sabotaged relationships with me and others.
Good that you've gotten better with the sabotage response!
I've been trying to recall if any Scorpios I've known have sabotaged like you described. Not that I'm aware of, but I have definitely known non-Scorpios with sun and/or moon and/or personal planets in the 8th house who have sabotaged relationships with me and others.
Posted by elllesqueHa ha, 100% agree with that second statement.
I end up hurting people after they hurt me though. I'd love to be so evolved that I can just walk away with out fluttering an eyelash.
I also think we are masochists and stay in situations way longer than their expired date.
I think when someone hurts me...I want them to be sorry...which is my weird sort of revenge. I don't want to hurt them but I just want them to regret it.
Posted by SassyKiwiAlo very true there...I think with me I sometimes do stuff which is obviously making a situation worse or more likely to fail but I kind of feel like doing it is a way to prove a person either really cares or really doesn't - but that's not reallly smart.
Lol Scorpios can be good at realizing they're the ones who end up fucking things over most of the time. I think strong fears and beliefs like that does allow them to have self-fullfulling prophecies.
Posted by CopperDoveI think that's it CopperDove...what is changing is that I am working though it myself a little now. In my twenties I feel like I was quite self sabotaging. Some of those behaviors would be really insecurity led...for example..
I've feared being hurt or betrayed, but I haven't sabotaged a relationship because of it. I work through that on my own, or by confiding in a close friend, to figure out if I have a reason for the fear or it's just based on being scared of having repeats of past hurts.
Good that you've gotten better with the sabotage response!
I've been trying to recall if any Scorpios I've known have sabotaged like you described. Not that I'm aware of, but I have definitely known non-Scorpios with sun and/or moon and/or personal planets in the 8th house who have sabotaged relationships with me and others.
- Only dating people I felt were a little beneath me so I'd feel less like they would hurt me (did not work...you just end up getting hurt by someone you feel is a little beneath you)
- Testing people a lot, like dumping people at th drop of a hat to see if they would fight for me (doesnt work, because only an idiot would tolerate this)
Stuff like that is dyiing off a little in me, but some of that selfsobatage is definitely still there. It takes me a long time to feel real security in a relationship!
How do I know if I have planets in the 8th?
Posted by AlaniaBIt's great that you're aware of it and know that it doesn't work to do what you used to do.Posted by CopperDoveI think that's it CopperDove...what is changing is that I am working though it myself a little now. In my twenties I feel like I was quite self sabotaging. Some of those behaviors would be really insecurity led...for example..
I've feared being hurt or betrayed, but I haven't sabotaged a relationship because of it. I work through that on my own, or by confiding in a close friend, to figure out if I have a reason for the fear or it's just based on being scared of having repeats of past hurts.
Good that you've gotten better with the sabotage response!
I've been trying to recall if any Scorpios I've known have sabotaged like you described. Not that I'm aware of, but I have definitely known non-Scorpios with sun and/or moon and/or personal planets in the 8th house who have sabotaged relationships with me and others.
- Only dating people I felt were a little beneath me so I'd feel less like they would hurt me (did not work...you just end up getting hurt by someone you feel is a little beneath you)
- Testing people a lot, like dumping people at th drop of a hat to see if they would fight for me (doesnt work, because only an idiot would tolerate this)
Stuff like that is dyiing off a little in me, but some of that selfsobatage is definitely still there. It takes me a long time to feel real security in a relationship!
How do I know if I have planets in the 8th?click to expand
Working on being more secure within yourself will go a long way to helping to change the pattern.
It may take some time to completely change it, and not have a strong urge to do what you listed, but it seems you're on your way. 🙂 At least getting to the point of not acting on the urge to sabotage is huge, so you may still feel it but you can work on alternative responses to go for instead. If you have someone that you can confide in when you feel insecure/the urge to sabotage, that might help (like I do with friends I trust highly).
If you know your exact birth time you can get your chart done and it will show you where all of your planets fit into the 12 houses in your chart. You can get free charts on Astro.com
In other words, to really change the behaviour you don't want to continue to display, have a few things that you can do instead when you feel the urge. More than one alternative is a good idea, in case one isn't possible at any given time.
It can take practice to do the new healthier things instead of the old destructive ones, but with practice it can become more natural.
Eliminating insecurity completely would be great, but that's unrealistic, but working on how you deal with insecure feelings is very doable.
It can take practice to do the new healthier things instead of the old destructive ones, but with practice it can become more natural.
Eliminating insecurity completely would be great, but that's unrealistic, but working on how you deal with insecure feelings is very doable.
Ahh...my moon is in the 8th house!!
Posted by AlaniaBThat could really intensify your emotions, and add Scorpionic qualities to them, which largely may be unconscious at times.
Ahh...my moon is in the 8th house!!
Being conscious of one's moon, not being ruled by it without any discernment, is part of maturing. That alone is a big step to changing negative patterns. Takes work but is really worth it.
So, this placement doesn't mean that you have to manifest the most negative qualities, it just means that you're probably going to feel things intensely so you need to be very conscious of where the feelings are coming from - if they're based on real things that are going on, or personal fears.
This placement can make some people a bit paranoid until they work on it a lot.
The people I've known with heavy 8th houses have struggled with this and some have learned to overcome it, others still have work to do.
Posted by CopperDoveI just read up on moon in the 8th house and it's absolutely me! I really must learn more about astrology, I find it so interesting and I;m amazed by how accurate it is.Posted by AlaniaBThat could really intensify your emotions, and add Scorpionic qualities to them, which largely may be unconscious at times.
Ahh...my moon is in the 8th house!!
Being conscious of one's moon, not being ruled by it without any discernment, is part of maturing. That alone is a big step to changing negative patterns. Takes work but is really worth it.
So, this placement doesn't mean that you have to manifest the most negative qualities, it just means that you're probably going to feel things intensely so you need to be very conscious of where the feelings are coming from - if they're based on real things that are going on, or personal fears.
This placement can make some people a bit paranoid until they work on it a lot.
The people I've known with heavy 8th houses have struggled with this and some have learned to overcome it, others still have work to do.
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I am definitely a bit paranoid at times!
Posted by AlaniaBCool! 🙂 I've found it really helpful to learn about my chart and other people's charts. I started when I was a teenager. It's improved my relationships, often, because it gives helpful insight that allows me to understand the other person more, and how I'm responding to them. It also put into words things that I knew about myself but couldn't articulate clearly.Posted by CopperDoveI just read up on moon in the 8th house and it's absolutely me! I really must learn more about astrology, I find it so interesting and I;m amazed by how accurate it is.Posted by AlaniaBThat could really intensify your emotions, and add Scorpionic qualities to them, which largely may be unconscious at times.
Ahh...my moon is in the 8th house!!
Being conscious of one's moon, not being ruled by it without any discernment, is part of maturing. That alone is a big step to changing negative patterns. Takes work but is really worth it.
So, this placement doesn't mean that you have to manifest the most negative qualities, it just means that you're probably going to feel things intensely so you need to be very conscious of where the feelings are coming from - if they're based on real things that are going on, or personal fears.
This placement can make some people a bit paranoid until they work on it a lot.
The people I've known with heavy 8th houses have struggled with this and some have learned to overcome it, others still have work to do.
I am definitely a bit paranoid at times!click to expand
Posted by scorpio19So if you really like someone, you might hurt them and disappear because you fear if you don't THEY will hurt you?Posted by scorpio19and that my friend is my characteristics (the example).Posted by AlaniaBAs a Scorpio, yes that's exactly what triggers me, I fear every single one of it and that is why I've hurt people before they hurt me. My DISSAPEARING act without a word is the worst part of me that I cannot avoid for life.
Do you ever think that Scorpior are so scared of being hurt or betrayed that they find it hard to relax and enjoy a good thing? So they try and prove themselevs right by subtly screwing things up so they can say "I knew it!".
I know that's a sweping generalisation, but other Scorpios do you fear loving someone and being abandoned or rejected so much that maybe you act in ways that encourage that to happen? Do you sometimes hurt people before they hurt you?
This has got better since I got older, but I still see it as part of me.
I'm taking pre cautions.click to expand
Doesn't it just mean you miss a chance for happiness though?
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Lets do this. In my experience it has been: Scorpio Taurus Capricorn
I know that's a sweping generalisation, but other Scorpios do you fear loving someone and being abandoned or rejected so much that maybe you act in ways that encourage that to happen? Do you sometimes hurt people before they hurt you?
This has got better since I got older, but I still see it as part of me.