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I'm a scorpio and have been seeing a scorpio man for a while now. first scorpio i've been in a relationship with.

yesterday i call him up and ask him if he wants to go to malibu for dinner/date night and he tells me he can't
because he's on his way to his mom's house to help her out with some stuff. i say 'ok what does she need help with' and he tells me that he doesn't know he'll find out when he's there then tells me he's on the road and can't speak so we hang up.

now tell me why i had a weird feeling about this. this guy always calls me when he's driving,so why was it an issue that we were on the phone? and his mom not the type to call him on a friday night for help. also something about his voice sounded unusual and detached so i thought he was lying and i was right.

an hour after we talked i decided to drive by his mom's house to see if he was there. i'm not the type to pull that shit but it was realllly bugging me.
YO I GET THERE HIS CAR ISN'T PARKED AND HIS MOM WAS HOME. I didn't go in of course because she'd tell him i was there...

i got so mad and drove by his place and his car wasnt there either!! so he lied to me about where he was. i texted him around midnight and asked him if he was done with helping his mom and what the issue was that she needed help with and he texted me back this morning like sorry i fell asleep over there and that
his mom needed help with some paperwork then asked to see me later this afternoon...now of course i didn't tell him i drove and i will be seeing him in a few hours so nowwww my question is:

HOW DO I GET AN ANSWER WITHOUT BURNING MYSELF OUT? CAUSE I CLEARLY I CAN'T TELL HIM I STALKED HIS ASS LOL...should i just investigate til i get further proof
that he's up to something then expose him? or what the fuck do i do y'all? i HATE being lied to and i know it's gonna show in my behavior that i don't trust him. he's also very good at picking up hints. i have butterflies in my stomach, this is really driving me nuts... 😢
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Posted by Libralula
And I'm not laughing at you,
I know the feeling all to well.
You know the saying, "curiosity killed the cat" ?
When you snoop, you find out shit you wish you hadn't and it makes you feel even sicker inside knowing you've been lied too but also a hint of satisfaction knowing you were right about your instinct.



true even if it hurts i always need to KNOW if i was right or just trippin. i don't wanna get played lol
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Posted by Impulsv
id tell him I found out he lied. No acting like nothing happened couldn't do it. N i don't give what he thinks of me. That I'm a brilliant investigator n discovered ur lie u ain't turning the tables on me. I went on my gut and—?



i'm scared to because i have too much pride to let him know i did that lol 😢 . like what if he flips the script on me? i know scorpio men are good at that
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Posted by Impulsv
Yeah he will but why are u scared are u really going to act like nothing. Tell him u had ur ways to find out n that's it. It doesn't matter.

Do u think he went on a date with another ?
Or out with guy freinds but couldn't tell u?



yeah this was the first thing that popped in my mind that he was out seeing another chick. idt he was with his boys cause i saw on social media they were all doing things that didn't involve him and usually when he goes out with them he tells me or invites me too
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Lol I love it!
Please tell me your moon, mercury and Venus?



moon:taurus
mercury:scorpio
venus:scorpio



Yeah we have the same last two.
I think it's the mercury causing this Need to stalk and investigate things to the.fullest and our Venus makes us feel butteflies of anger and betrayal.
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thanks that makes sense because this is exactly how i'm feeling
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Posted by Impulsv
Act cool as a cucumber asking what he did last night n hen say ok I'm going to give another chance what did u really?
I appriciate honesty more than anything n I know you weren't at ur moms.
I hear him out n if he continues with same story I AM breaking up.



should i involve his mom? like i was thinking asking him lengthy questions about the paperwork he was there to help her with. then casually like in a day or 2 suggest we go visit her and mention to her subtly about him being there friday night then see her reaction. i feel like he might pick up on it tho he's very smart so maybe he'll tell his mom to cover for him before we go?

she really loves me tho, she wants us to get married and have kids LOL. she's a leo so idk if they're the type to scheme with their kids or if she would call him out for lying
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Any chance that he didn't lie? For example, he went out to pick up something for his mom when you went there to investigate so that's why you didn't see him there?

To bring it up, if he doesn't, you don't have to tell him what you did, only that you had a "sense" that he wasn't telling you something that night and it's bothering you and you don't want it to. Try to state it in an open, not accusatory, way. Then see what he says and how he says it. That way you're being truthful (you did have a sense, then you acted on it by driving over to both places), but you're protecting your detective work. A good detective doesn't reveal their methods to the person they're investigating.

If he didn't lie he'll be upset that you don't trust him, perhaps, but it can hopefully be worked out. If he did lie he may act upset, pretending that he's trustworthy and he'll try to turn the blame on you for being needlessly suspicious. You'll have to go with what you sense with how he acts. If he's telling the truth he may try to prove it to you, telling you to call his mom to ask, or something like that, which would be good.





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Any chance that he didn't lie? For example, he went out to pick up something for his mom when you went there to investigate so that's why you didn't see him there?

To bring it up, if he doesn't, you don't have to tell him what you did, only that you had a "sense" that he wasn't telling you something that night and it's bothering you and you don't want it to. Try to state it in an open, not accusatory, way. Then see what he says and how he says it. That way you're being truthful (you did have a sense, then you acted on it by driving over to both places), but you're protecting your detective work. A good detective doesn't reveal their methods to the person they're investigating.

If he didn't lie he'll be upset that you don't trust him, perhaps, but it can hopefully be worked out. If he did lie he may act upset, pretending that he's trustworthy and he'll try to turn the blame on you for being needlessly suspicious. You'll have to go with what you sense with how he acts. If he's telling the truth he may try to prove it to you, telling you to call his mom to ask, or something like that, which would be good.







ohhhh that's a very good tactic thanks for the input. i'm thinking maybe i should say something like 'i was upset you didn't tell me to come with last night, i wanted to spend time with you and you know how much i love going to your mom's house' but like in a light-hearted manner not accusatory
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ohhhh that's a very good tactic thanks for the input. i'm thinking maybe i should say something like 'i was upset you didn't tell me to come with last night, i wanted to spend time with you and you know how much i love going to your mom's house' but like in a light-hearted manner not accusatory



You're welcome! Sure, that's good too. It leaves things open for the benefit of the doubt but not so open that you don't get a chance to observe how he reacts - what it might tell you.

I wish you all the best with this. It's terrible if he lied and was up to something bad.
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Whoa...

Slow the fuck down here... In fact, put those breaks on right now Champagne!!

Scorp Sun AND Venus here. This behaviour of yours is typical Scorp Venus. Not necessarily Scorp Merc. As soon as I read your post I knew you were a Scorp Venus then I read you were.

Please just stop what you're doing and listen...

Just meet him and say nothing. Yes that's right, nothing at all. Carry on as normal.

Bank the information you have and sit on it. Do nothing. Ask nothing.

Your instinct might well be correct. However, your ASSUMPTION may not be correct.

We have an incredible (bad) habit of assuming things and going all out to confront or worse, go around the subject sideways, indirectly, and passive aggressively.

If you start going on about this, that and the other it's going to cause issues.

I'm not saying ignore it completely. I'm just saying you don't have all the info and to get the info is going to be tricky, and create and fuel issues that probably aren't even there.

You probably feel pissed off and angry etc but just breathe and relax.
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ohhhh that's a very good tactic thanks for the input. i'm thinking maybe i should say something like 'i was upset you didn't tell me to come with last night, i wanted to spend time with you and you know how much i love going to your mom's house' but like in a light-hearted manner not accusatory



You're welcome! Sure, that's good too. It leaves things open for the benefit of the doubt but not so open that you don't get a chance to observe how he reacts - what it might tell you.

I wish you all the best with this. It's terrible if he lied and was up to something bad.




i'm getting ready now he should be here in about an hour to pick me up so i think this is the strategy i'll use. i'll update y'all! i hope i'm proven wrong but i know his ass can outsmart me so i'll look for body language more than his words. ughh why did i have to go date a scorpio male after all the cautionary tales my girlfriends told me abt them? :/ it never ended well for any of them
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ohhhh that's a very good tactic thanks for the input. i'm thinking maybe i should say something like 'i was upset you didn't tell me to come with last night, i wanted to spend time with you and you know how much i love going to your mom's house' but like in a light-hearted manner not accusatory



You're welcome! Sure, that's good too. It leaves things open for the benefit of the doubt but not so open that you don't get a chance to observe how he reacts - what it might tell you.

I wish you all the best with this. It's terrible if he lied and was up to something bad.



See? This is passive aggressive behaviour. This is not good. You're irritated because you think he lied. It was a feeling which turned into stalking.

Yet you're not confronting him directly. You're going around the houses by saying you were upset he didn't invite you as you would have liked to go with him. However, are you upset because he didn't invite you? No.

You're upset because you got a 'feeling' he was lying because he was short with you while on the phone while driving etc. Read what you wrote. Then you got upset because you drove past the two houses and drew your own assumptions and conclusions.

There could be a million and one reasons for all of this but unless you want to come across as a fucking nutcase I suggest you keep this to yourself.

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Posted by AgentP911
Whoa...

Slow the fuck down here... In fact, put those breaks on right now Champagne!!

Scorp Sun AND Venus here. This behaviour of yours is typical Scorp Venus. Not necessarily Scorp Merc. As soon as I read your post I knew you were a Scorp Venus then I read you were.

Please just stop what you're doing and listen...

Just meet him and say nothing. Yes that's right, nothing at all. Carry on as normal.

Bank the information you have and sit on it. Do nothing. Ask nothing.

Your instinct might well be correct. However, your ASSUMPTION may not be correct.

We have an incredible (bad) habit of assuming things and going all out to confront or worse, go around the subject sideways, indirectly, and passive aggressively.

If you start going on about this, that and the other it's going to cause issues.

I'm not saying ignore it completely. I'm just saying you don't have all the info and to get the info is going to be tricky, and create and fuel issues that probably aren't even there.

You probably feel pissed off and angry etc but just breathe and relax.



exactly what i was thinking i dont want to accuse him without proof then end up looking PSYCHO as hell, and i know that if he thinks i'm onto him it'll break the trust. i'm just gonna ruse my way into getting info without looking suspicious. i'm kinda tho scared cause since he's a scorpio as well he might detect that i'm plotting on him
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What's wrong with some of you lot on here?

Stop fuelling this with tales of how terrible it is he might have lied and might have been up to something bad.

The dude probably didn't want to go out with OP but didn't want to hurt her feelings or whatever. He's a bloke. They have bloke logic. Sure, he might have been putting his dick in a chick or he may have popped to the shop to get his mother some milk.

He made an alternative arrangement or date so where's the issue?

It's in OP's head!
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ohhhh that's a very good tactic thanks for the input. i'm thinking maybe i should say something like 'i was upset you didn't tell me to come with last night, i wanted to spend time with you and you know how much i love going to your mom's house' but like in a light-hearted manner not accusatory



You're welcome! Sure, that's good too. It leaves things open for the benefit of the doubt but not so open that you don't get a chance to observe how he reacts - what it might tell you.

I wish you all the best with this. It's terrible if he lied and was up to something bad.



See? This is passive aggressive behaviour. This is not good. You're irritated because you think he lied. It was a feeling which turned into stalking.

Yet you're not confronting him directly. You're going around the houses by saying you were upset he didn't invite you as you would have liked to go with him. However, are you upset because he didn't invite you? No.

You're upset because you got a 'feeling' he was lying because he was short with you while on the phone while driving etc. Read what you wrote. Then you got upset because you drove past the two houses and drew your own assumptions and conclusions.

There could be a million and one reasons for all of this but unless you want to come across as a fucking nutcase I suggest you keep this to yourself.

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damn girl don't hold back haha! youre right tho its passive aggressive. i wouldn't get upset if he went to his mom's house without me but seeing it was a friday night i think it would make sense that i wanted to go with him 🙂

but you are right, it's because i had a feeling he was up to no good
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OP: Great. Yes, an approach that is benefit of the doubt is best.

Interesting that you know that he can outsmart you. Has that happened before? It makes me wonder what else has gone on in this relationship that might not be healthy on either of your parts or both.

Hopefully he's honest. There are many good Scorpio males in the world. It's too bad that your girlfriends seem to have experienced the negative ones. Don't believe that all Scorp males are bad based on a few bad ones.
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Whoa...

Slow the fuck down here... In fact, put those breaks on right now Champagne!!

Scorp Sun AND Venus here. This behaviour of yours is typical Scorp Venus. Not necessarily Scorp Merc. As soon as I read your post I knew you were a Scorp Venus then I read you were.

Please just stop what you're doing and listen...

Just meet him and say nothing. Yes that's right, nothing at all. Carry on as normal.

Bank the information you have and sit on it. Do nothing. Ask nothing.

Your instinct might well be correct. However, your ASSUMPTION may not be correct.

We have an incredible (bad) habit of assuming things and going all out to confront or worse, go around the subject sideways, indirectly, and passive aggressively.

If you start going on about this, that and the other it's going to cause issues.

I'm not saying ignore it completely. I'm just saying you don't have all the info and to get the info is going to be tricky, and create and fuel issues that probably aren't even there.

You probably feel pissed off and angry etc but just breathe and relax.



exactly what i was thinking i dont want to accuse him without proof then end up looking PSYCHO as hell, and i know that if he thinks i'm onto him it'll break the trust. i'm just gonna ruse my way into getting info without looking suspicious. i'm kinda tho scared cause since he's a scorpio as well he might detect that i'm plotting on him
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Just LEAVE IT ALONE for now.

He's a Scorp. He'll be on to you and may not give you the answer you want either. You'll achieve nothing but could lose something. Gain Vs lose. In my opinion, this one is a lose. Don't fight a battle you can't win. You'll end up looking like a prat!

I assume this is the first time you felt something wasn't quite right. So bank it. Monitor it. Wait it out. You'll probably get more info naturally later on.
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Posted by AgentP911
What's wrong with some of you lot on here?

Stop fuelling this with tales of how terrible it is he might have lied and might have been up to something bad.

The dude probably didn't want to go out with OP but didn't want to hurt her feelings or whatever. He's a bloke. They have bloke logic. Sure, he might have been putting his dick in a chick or he may have popped to the shop to get his mother some milk.

He made an alternative arrangement or date so where's the issue?

It's in OP's head!



it is NOT in my head. he wasn't where he said he was and acting out of the ordinary for him. i'm not a clingy gf and let him do his thing,he's actually more clingy than i am so i thought this was weird
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OP: Great. Yes, an approach that is benefit of the doubt is best.

Interesting that you know that he can outsmart you. Has that happened before? It makes me wonder what else has gone on in this relationship that might not be healthy on either of your parts or both.

Hopefully he's honest. There are many good Scorpio males in the world. It's too bad that your girlfriends seem to have experienced the negative ones. Don't believe that all Scorp males are bad based on a few bad ones.



He can definitely outsmart me his wit and slick surpasses mine although i'll never admit it to him. when i confront him about small stuff he ends up having the last word and he's like this with everyone around him as well. i'm used to having the last word so this one's definitely a challenge
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Posted by AgentP911
Yes but the issue is in your head as you do not have proof or evidence of what happened etc. Therefore, your head is running away with itself thinking all sorts of stuff. You only have assumptions and part of a puzzle. Your instinct might well be correct but the point is in how you deal with it.

IA but this is definitely rubbing me the wrong way because we always do something on friday nights and since me and his mom are pretty close i feel like he would've asked me to come too and then we can go do our own thing after we're done helping her. idk just cant shake the feeling something was off especially after i saw he wasn't there
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So he has called you before while he was driving but, this one time he wanted to hang up because he was driving? lol He then gets to his mom's house to "help her with some paperwork" and he eventually fell asleep there and stood over. He obviously didn't bother to call you that night because you said you texted him and he responded in the morning. How much paper work could his mom have had? lol Does he usually call or not call before the night is over and does he usually fall asleep early on Fridays? These are questions you should keep in mind.

I think being diplomatic in this situation is best, meaning you should wait to confront him after you've gathered enough proof to charge him with since what you have now is only substantial. For all you know he could have lied just to avoid going to dinner, maybe he wasn't in the mood. Get something solid that he can't argue against. If you ask him about it now he'll most likely just be vague about it like he has been and he'll probably just continue lying if he lied at all.

It's a possibility you might eventually have to tell him you stalked him which isn't that bad when you think about it because you might have been a stalker but, he seems to be a liar??_you just have to decide which one you feel is worst. My pick in this scenario would be the liar. I say continue doing what you're doing if that's the only way you can catch him in a lie and when you have enough evidence then you decide how you want to confront him. Good luck and may you one day know the truth.



exactly!!! this is shady as hell because he doesn't usually act like this! trust me i wouldn't have stalked him if it was just a little doubt in my head. and i will be diplomatic until i get proof then i will tell him how i know. i might not get proof today but the truth always comes out. thanks for your input
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Posted by GG
Agent911 make great, "rational points.

I'm not a Scorpio, but like most dude's, we like our space, we don't feel like hanging out with you
sometimes.

That's just how it is. Nothing personal.



he's not like that tho, if he wants to go do his own thing he'll let me know and i'm good with that i'll just go out with friends and he knows he can trust me. we have great communication so this is weird
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Posted by AgentP911
Sure, but ask yourself if you'll achieve what you're looking for by bringing it up now and in the ways it has been suggested?

You've already said he'll out smart you. Seriously, just sit on it. All will probably be revealed later on. It usually does. Have patience.



Like i said i have too much pride to confront him without 100% proof he was cheating. especially after i basically stalked him LOL. i'll just lowkey do my investigation and if i feel like he's onto me i'll back down a bit
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Posted by Champagne
Posted by GG
Agent911 make great, "rational points.

I'm not a Scorpio, but like most dude's, we like our space, we don't feel like hanging out with you
sometimes.

That's just how it is. Nothing personal.



he's not like that tho, if he wants to go do his own thing he'll let me know and i'm good with that i'll just go out with friends and he knows he can trust me. we have great communication so this is weird


You just wrote this:

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IA but this is definitely rubbing me the wrong way because we always do something on friday nights and since me and his mom are pretty close i feel like he would've asked me to come too and then we can go do our own thing after we're done helping her....
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Given these expectations what is the likelihood he could have simply said I rather be alone and it not still sting you just a little. He is a Scorp afterall and knows you, just like you know his pattern. I'm not condoning the lying at all, but I agree to some extent with Agent009. She actually sounds more like she has a Scorp in Merc than you do. Your Scorp in Venus is gonna be your undoing in this relationship if you don't manage it better. Just sayin'. You haven't even talked to him and already you're lanemting about the fact that you may be joining the "male Scorp did me wrong" club. Take it in stride. Best of luck to you.
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^^^^for what it's worth, I should add while trusting your gut is a good thing, the fact that you felt the need to go to his mother's house in the first place suggest that you should slow this down anyway. You do not trust him. In an ideal Scorp world our partners tell us everything, never tell a white lie and would never want to be without our company, because well we're the sh*t. Then we wake up from the dream world and actually have to deal with the "flawed" human world.

Again, not condoning the lying or even suggesting you ignore this, but the one thing I liked about being with a Scorp was the fact that it forced me to really challenge my demons and let go of that rigid black and white thinking (to the extent that any Scorp could). If even a Scorp can show me that he can't follow the rules he applies on everyone else (e.g. lies to protect the feelings of his/her mate, needing time/space alone, keeps secrets), then good luck finding that in anyone else.

Once again, best of luck.
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Sag in Merc for me with Sag rising.

Phoenix Rising is correct, her ViS will be her downfall if she lets it get the better of her.

I know this because I've been there. I've stalked, done drive by visits, assumed so much (although he was a lying, sociopathic arsehole which only fuelled the negative behaviour) but it's not a good or healthy place to be.

I will always have those traits, habits, gut feelings etc but it's how they're managed and it comes down to if I want to choose to be that way.
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Snooping like that is not good for your health and it's never good. Sometimes even if we catch them lying we still can get things mixed up then looking like the crazy one in the end. I don't consider myself a liar but I do lie about things like that not to hurt people's feelings. Sometimes I tell people I am where I'm not because they keep forcing me to hangout and they get too clingy. Or sometimes I say I'm home when really my car is home parked and I got a ride from someone else. Or sometimes I can be telling the truth. I was home but my car is not because I lent it to someone that needed to borrow my car. A lot of people do these and it's normal. It doesn't mean that the person is up to no good. And If your a snooper then I'm sure he knows about it, that's probably the reason why he tells lies. I know when people are snooping on me but most times I won't say anything about it until it gets out of control or until I find out how much you snoop then I catch you snooping in other ways then I just shut my mouth and see if you come out with it or if you still snoop and how far you go. It's a trust thing. Then eventually I will let you know or I won't ever but I definately won't trust you and I will try my hand with someone else. You should never snoop in someone's neighborhood because you never know whose watching you. A lot of my neighbors watch out for me and I have had to have an investigator watch my place, my job, my online activity and hacking on all my computers and my phone and I have seen ways of a stalker. All the while they think they are getting away with something. Don't do it because Scorps will one up you and then you'll be hit with a lawsuit for stalking, harassment and so on.
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Coming thru with an update! I just came back home from spending these two days with him and most of you were right.i was jumping to conclusions too fast and making crazy assumptions.

he wasn't acting weird or unusual,we had a good time.
he told me what happened without me having to ask him so i don't think he was being suspicious. he said they finished the paperwork fast and his mom wanted to go to his aunt's house so went with her cause his cousins were there and he wanted to see them. he took his mom back home later on and just knocked out there cause he was too tired to drive back to his pad.

so that's probably why his mom's car was there when i drove by and his wasn't. i still dont know why the lights in her house were on tho...

i felt f.ucking dumb especially when he asked me what i ended up doing that night and i told him i stayed my ass home (if only he knew smh)

i can't deny i still think it's weird he didn' t text me til the next day but i'm not gonna trip over it
i feel relieved 🙂 thanks everyone for the advice!

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Posted by CreativeCap
Interesting thread. The Scorpio stories seem to always involve some suspicious scorp bf/ gf blowing an incident out of proportion that later tyrns out to be bo big deal at all. At least you came here for some sound advice and didn't act on your initial reaction. Now your bf won't know your a stalker! Lol



Lol ... I read this and thought: What are you hiding CreCap?

I think there's some truth to the fact that by the time we consciously start questioning our SO that the relationship is in some trouble. It comes down to determining if it is your instinct or intuition that is signaling you. If he has proven his words through actions that are consistent, reliable, and genuine then maybe having a heart-to-heart about the way that you feel occasionally (if that's the case) may be beneficial in the long run.
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I'm glad that everything seems to be fine Champagne. 🙂

I think a lot of people have a tough time distinguishing between intuition and fear at times, so hopefully this experience helps you to figure that out for the future.

I agree with others here that it's best to try to gather all info first - benefit of the doubt. I'm glad that he just came out with things and told you the details so you didn't have to ask anything.

I had someone sleuth me one time when everything was fine. They admitted it to me and we worked through it - I could forgive them. They didn't repeat it.






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