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So that's it all over as of boxing day. I took a mental rage at him just before christmas and he officially called time on things on boxing day. Although since then he's phoned me at 3am on NYE saying he's fucked up and confused and then text me again a couple of days ago saying he may have made a mistake but needs time to think.

What I am posting here for is because most of our arguments have been over the same thing and we can't seem to get past it. He just thinks I'm some sort of jealous arsehole and I think he's either up to something or being disrespectful. It's hard to get an objective opinion from my mates (they think he's a dick who is not to be trusted) so I thought I'd ask you guys.

I'll try and keep it brief. At about 3 months in I notice one day a seemingly innocent convo on FB with some girl - which by the next day has been deleted. There's only some cryptic message from this girl calling him a pussy. So I ask him about it. He says it's nothing she was doing his head in so he deleted the convo. I'm like erm ok but fair enough. A week later I meet all his friends and one of the girlfriends of his best mates says to me is that you guys cool now after that whole *girls name* thing. So of course I say what thing and she says that this girl had apparently tried it on with my Scorp and had been asking to meet him out.

So I confront the Scorp who says she is just a friend and she got a bit forward with him that was why he deleted the message as he didn't want it to cause problems between us or for me to get the wrong idea. I pretty much erupted because I had asked him about it and he lied - in my mind anyway. He says he didn't lie he just didn't tell me the whole story because he didn't want me to go mad. So I tell him to delete her (perhaps being unreasonable but in my head she's no friend to do that especially not on FB when she knows full well he's with someone else) which he does. I also at this point call her a skank and so on because I'm angry and he makes some comment about it being a turn on and that he likes a strong woman.

Anyway a couple of days pass and it's still bugging the shit out of me so I end it with him because I don't trust him. He goes mental and I find out later adds that girl back on FB almost straight away.
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About a week passes and I think maybe I've been too hasty. So I ask him if we can try again and he says ok but says he doesn't think it's a good idea us being friends on FB for now because of the trouble it caused before and says can we just see how we go first. So I'm like ok fair enough thinking I'm expected to show now that I trust him. I explain to him that if she's just a friend that's fine and if they talk that's ok BUT I expect him to make it clear he's with me and if she doesn't respect that then he can get her to fuck. He says ok.

His birthday approaches and he creates an event on FB for it. He invites over 150 people. I don't get a formal invite. I get asked by text if I would "like" to go. This girl gets a formal invite and makes some comment on the events page about feeling "special" to have gotten such an invite. He proceeds to comment almost begging her to come to his party saying she better make an appearance. I am not amused. I'm thinking 1) he hasn't told people, and certainly not her, that he and I are back together which is why I'm not being added back on FB or formally invited. So now I'm feeling like some sort of shady secret and 2) if she is just a friend he's making an awfully big deal about her coming to his party. I mean hell other good friends of his commented saying they couldn't make it and he's like that's a shame but ok but she basically gets told "you better be there!" and all I get is "if you would like to come".

So, my V in A kicks in again and I'm so fucked off I just tell him you know what you have zero respect for me so think we should just call it a day eh. He resorts to giving me abuse but also making comments about me not giving him a chance blah blah and after 20 mins of arguing then tells me he's turned on. Again, didn't go down well. I ignored him.

Two weeks pass and I'm actually doing ok, yes I miss him but dear god I am so thankful to be drama free at this point. It never lasts though. He gets back in touch one night asking how I am. I keep it civil and friendly and we chat for a bit and he's like can we at least be friends so I say fine. A week passes and words are exchanged and I end up round at his new pad to celebrate him moving in. We chat and I tell him how I felt with this whole other girl crap and he still swears she is just a mate and says he never meant to make me feel like that - but still doesn't really explain anything.

However we get back together, talk loads and I t
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and I think are finally getting somewhere - although we're still not friends again on FB and I'm thinking at least now this may be a good thing. Cue the night before xmas eve though and I'm out with the girls completely wrecked (that was me finished work for crimbo) and I am informed of a convo on FB between the Scorp and this chick just 3 days after my spending the night at his new pad and us "officially" getting back together. She sends him a message (get this) saying she loves him more than peanuts. I mean what is she 12? And this convo goes on about how she can't decide between peanuts and him and can't she have both and he's like yes you can! And they arrange for her to come see his new flat the following week.

Cue yet another rage from me where I promptly phone him telling him he's a fucking arsehole and that he's full of shit blah blah. He swears again she's just a mate and says that this convo was BEFORE he and I got back together (erm lies) and that she was only coming over because she was making him a pair of curtains for his flat (I'm not making this shit up btw, it has been the source of much amusement between my friends and I).

After I went mental at him I initially apologised because I thought you know maybe I have got it wrong. I took shit from my last ex so since then I've vowed to never allow that again. The problem with that though is I've had people tell me that I need to let my guard down a bit and learn to trust. So I feel confused. I worry that I'm over-reacting. But I don't want to be taken for a fool.

He has said time and time again that I've "treated him like shit" what with my going mental and that he's not done anything wrong and blah blah and basically made me feel like I'm evil and have treated him unfairly. I still think there is a lack of respect issue there though.

All opinions welcome. I'd really like to know what others think about this situation and I am happy to hear where I have been out of order. Thanks.
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She's a Pisces with a Sadge moon and a total skank. One of my girlfriends guy mates knows her and says she's been around almost everyone. When I first saw her FB she had a picture up of her obviously in from some night out with a short skirt on and her knickers around her ankles. This guy according to my girlfriend is a bit of a man tart himself but he says even he won't touch her so that says something. So you can imagine why I'm a little bothered at this baby talk between them! She's younger than he is too, he's 28 and she's 22.

My Scorp has always just said she's a nice girl and a mate.

I do not talk to my guy mates like that sorry. She's left little messages on his profile before saying "I miss you" and "
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i am not friends with my scorp on FB for this exact reason. its just all to much.

ok, youre venus in aries is not going to ever really fully trust him. your going to have trust issues going further. and its going to drive you nuts. PLus, your venus in aries doesnt like to be made to be #2. Aries like to be #1 and their mate needs to understand this. however, this scorp is going to do what he wants to do. especially since your behavior is turning him on.

the drama in me, sag, wants to know if youve had a conversation with the third wheel?

if you do want to compete for him, you gotta go about it better. do you want to compete or just keep rollin witht he punches?
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Posted by DMV
i am not friends with my scorp on FB for this exact reason. its just all to much.

ok, youre venus in aries is not going to ever really fully trust him. your going to have trust issues going further. and its going to drive you nuts. PLus, your venus in aries doesnt like to be made to be #2. Aries like to be #1 and their mate needs to understand this. however, this scorp is going to do what he wants to do. especially since your behavior is turning him on.

the drama in me, sag, wants to know if youve had a conversation with the third wheel?

if you do want to compete for him, you gotta go about it better. do you want to compete or just keep rollin witht he punches?



You're right about not being no2 I'll admit to that. I have no problems with him having forty million girl mates but but if he's dating me then sorry I don't think he should be talking to her like that.

Nope never had a conversation with her but did some digging (see my last post) I know all about her from several reliable sources.

I will not compete. Why the fuck should I? If he's even considering someone else then fuck him I'll make the decision for him and I'm off.

I want to add here that in my head and heart I do believe I am already done. The purpose of this post was to see if others thought I was just being unreasonable or if anyone could see my point.
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Posted by MissPirate
She's a Pisces with a Sadge moon and a total skank. One of my girlfriends guy mates knows her and says she's been around almost everyone. When I first saw her FB she had a picture up of her obviously in from some night out with a short skirt on and her knickers around her ankles. This guy according to my girlfriend is a bit of a man tart himself but he says even he won't touch her so that says something. So you can imagine why I'm a little bothered at this baby talk between them! She's younger than he is too, he's 28 and she's 22.

My Scorp has always just said she's a nice girl and a mate.

I do not talk to my guy mates like that sorry. She's left little messages on his profile before saying "I miss you" and "

dont take this the wrong way, BUT...she may be a skank to you, but shes doing something right because hes lapping it up....you cant dog the other girl out. she isnt your problem. it may make you feel better to dog her out, but its not going to get you anywhere with him. if you want to be #1, make yourself be #1
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Posted by MissPirate
The thing that gets me is that he is so adamant when he says he's done nothing wrong and that it's me being unfair. I've had guys lie like that before to make me feel bad but he seems to genuinely believe he's not done anything wrong and that I'm bad for thinking that of him.

It boggles my mind that he doesn't see what I see.




*no, he completely understands, but he doesnt care.
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@ DMV if he wants her he can have her seriously. One thing I do know though is that he is one of 3 guys she talks to like that. She calls them her favourite "man-friends" and posts regularly about how great they all are and how she loves them. So he is one of 3, clearly not that special to her. And yet she's more special to him than I am, that's how it feels at times anyway.

The reason I am unhappy with her is because she tried it on with him full well knowing he was with me. Other than that I don't give a shit about her ass. I stand by it if he wants her then he can have her and vice versa. I'm not asking how to win him back he's the one who has got back in touch with ME because after he ended it I left him alone when what he clearly wanted was for me to beg for his forgiveness and to take me back. What am I asking is if I am the douchebag he is making me out to be or do I have a point in what I'm saying.
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i see your point very clearly. theres another girl moving in or probably has already moved in on your man and your went off on him. rightfully so, he played a part 2.

BUT if you dont want him, dont consume yourself with finding out things about her. it will obssess (sp?) you.

your scorp likes agressive women and it seems like he likes them a bit slutty 2, so if your dont want to compete..i would understand. im not into competition either.
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The thing that gets me is that he is so adamant when he says he's done nothing wrong and that it's me being unfair. I've had guys lie like that before to make me feel bad but he seems to genuinely believe he's not done anything wrong and that I'm bad for thinking that of him.

It boggles my mind that he doesn't see what I see.




*no, he completely understands, but he doesnt care.
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See if that is the case then that's what I need to hear because that is exactly what I have been thinking.

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lemme ask you a question, if you are in fact overreacting....what r u going ot do?

from what youve posted, it seems like something may be going on...but we cant be sure. she can be a skank, but that doesnt mean shes a skank with your scorp. sag moon can be very flirty with multiple people.

im a sag and ive been known to slut it out but that doesnt mean i slut it out with everyone.
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Posted by MissPirate
I will not compete. Why the fuck should I? If he's even considering someone else then fuck him I'll make the decision for him and I'm off.



lol...that was your venus in aries right there.

if you stay, you have to deal with her. if you leave, you don't.

you have to choose one. she won't go away on her own accord.

time to use the big guns. 😛
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yeah. she aint goin no where....because he doesnt want her too...
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@DMV I did this digging on her before, done with it all now. Because I wasn't getting much from him I wanted to find out the full picture of things for myself.

@Elle I know what you mean. To be honest all of my major relationships have been before FB etc. got so popular so it was never an issue then. Still, can't blame facebook for not having respect.

I actually don't think this girl really wants him, or at least wants a relationship with him. I think she loves the attention he's giving her and that he panders to her and puts her up on this pedestal or whatever. I know for a fact she's been stalking some other guy for months, someone who keeps rejecting her but she won't take no for an answer. So her attentions in that sense are elsewhere. Which annoys me all the more. He's willing to fuck up something real for something he'll probably never have.

Do I want him back? No. What I want though is to be able to say with 100% conviction that this is his doing and not mine.

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I will not compete. Why the fuck should I? If he's even considering someone else then fuck him I'll make the decision for him and I'm off.



lol...that was your venus in aries right there.

if you stay, you have to deal with her. if you leave, you don't.

you have to choose one. she won't go away on her own accord.

time to use the big guns. 😛




yeah. she aint goin no where....because he doesnt want her too...
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Exactly. Which is why it will never work. I'd have to say her or me but I hate that because then if they choose you they end up resenting you or still seeing the other person but lying about it and that's no basis for a relationship.

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nope, you cant put all this on him...because you dont know her side, his side, and the truth...

he told you nothin was going on and you chose not to believe him.



Listen to what I'm saying. I am not saying anything has happened.

What I am saying is that he knows full well how I feel about how he acts with her and yet has continued to do so and has in fact twice lied about their interactions. So whether or not I've reacted badly sorry isn't the point, he cannot sit there and say I am an arsehole when he has lied to me twice and blatantly disrespects my feelings on the matter.
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The only other thing I have considered from HER side is that all these times he and I have got back together given that we haven't re-added each other on FB she may not know anything about. Because he might well not have told her that he's back with me.

She does know about me though in that when he deleted her off FB before he told her it was because I had asked him to. After we got back though I said so I see you added her again he said yeah she forgave me.



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Posted by ellessque
"would you really not give a shit at how your behaviour with another woman was upsetting them and making them feel insecure?"

Honestly? No, because I would be sitting here wondering why you are upset. I've proclaimed my interest in you and you don't believe me and I'm clueless. I would have no idea what would actually appease you because insecurity can be unstable and chaotic. I wouldn't have an answer for you because I don't understand where you are coming from. The only thing I could do is have a dialog with you, get you angry, which makes me happy and also seems to alleviate some of the tension....and then you are okay again. Then we rinse and repeat.

"I want to know why I don't get the same attention/treatment she does"

Perhaps because I respect you and see her as a skanky attention seeking whore who will jump down anyone's pants who gives her a hint of attention and I wouldn't want anyone seeing you in that light on something as public as FB.



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Is it really just as simple as that, him not understanding why I'm so bothered. I'm really not some jealous freak btw. He has other girl mates - one much younger who is also a model - who he goes out for drinks with and chats to but that doesn't bother me. It's the tone of his conversations with this one girl that gets me it just doesn't feel right and try as I might to get past it I'm really struggling.
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Going through just about the exact frustration MissPirate.

I am sorry but I have had Scorpios all around and in my life defend and defend the Scorpio ex.

Do people in your situation deserve a right to express their feelings? Yes. Feel angry? Yes.

What what!!! Are we supposed to bottle up the emotions and just sit on them people!!!! Who in their right mind think that is at all fair!

You did your best to be your best MissPirate.

I wish you the best through this all.

My scorpio expresses only that I did something wrong, no other words of wisdom. Expects all debts to be not discussed at all, like I should trust them now more than ever, be sensitive now more than ever. I have expressed time and again, that given the situation, that I am doing my part better than most, nicer than most, more sensitive than most, and refuse anything but fairness.

I am sure you expressed time after time your affections, your devotion, all the things nurturing for a healthy and loving relationship.

I and you aren't blaming anyone, but we are owed at least the emotional freedom to say hey, I feel betrayed or frustrated, I don't understand why we have to own this, and they get to be absolved of any wrongdoing.

I validate your frustration MissPirate and feel immensely that I have gone through what you have gone through at about nearly the exact same period of time. I don't want this for you or anyone, and I have been boggled by it all.
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I really would like to understand his point of view. It's hard when I've been burnt before and all my mates are saying to me how it's this and that and how they wouldn't stand for it and how I shouldn't either and that he's walking all over me blah blah.

I think if he had been upfront with me it wouldn't have been as bad. The fact that he lied (or withheld information however you think of it) I struggle massively with because I've been lied to before and if they can do it once, or twice god knows what else they've not told you.
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Don't ever take the accusation of Jealousy as anything more than if someone were to call you a Bird-Doo-Head or meanie-meanie.

Jealousy is out there in the world, pondering why someone is doing something, isn't jealousy it is natural human curiosity. Also I don't see MissPirate out to get anyone.

Anger is Anger. Jealousy is something else.

Be careful of giving your Scorpio more credit than they deserve. And every word of advice or analysis with a grain of salt.

You seem to not be getting the answers from your Scorpio, you are confused by that, none of which is your fault, so to hear anyone trying to put the onus on you is ridiculous to me.
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He said to me before that I was "mental" but that was one of the reasons he liked me.

I think he takes my going ape shit at him as some sort of freaky sign that I care. Every time I have ignored him - no not to play a game but when in my head it has been done - he's got in touch and always sounded a little pathetic.

Scorps, man I love em but I tell you the drama is just sometimes too much even for me.
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Posted by ellessque
"I think he takes my going ape shit at him as some sort of freaky sign that I care."

yep.

He's loving this push/pull. It keeps us breathing. Hate to admit it, but yeah.

You have to be secure enough in yourself and in your relationship with him that if Anna Kournikova walked past him butt naked you would trust he wouldn't do anything...except fuck her in his mind, and you'd have to be totally okay with that.

The insecurities and jealousy confuse us. So much so, we will start mirroring you back with those behaviors and become really distraught with ourselves.



That's just it normally that shit wouldn't bother me. There is something in his interactions with this girl though that I hate to admit seems to make me go insane.

What's funny is that he admitted a while back to not trusting me. I was like eh where do you get that from. One time I'd stayed at his I left my mobile phone - he brought it to me later that day and I thought nothing of it. Two weeks later he admits he went through my messages! I said well given that I have nothing to hide I can tell you right now you found nothing and he said that was right he didn't.

Clearly we both have trust issues!
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Posted by ellessque
heroic_guy,

what's the deal with your scorpio mate? you are being sort of elusive. nobody is blaming MissP. I'm simply trying to put myself in his shoes. She's hurt enough of "he's a dirtbag". Let's figure out why he is being perceived as such.



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This is exactly why I posted. I am willing to concede that some of this may just be a complete lack of understanding on my part, as I clearly don't seem to understand him well at all.
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Posted by ScorpioLovePisces
MissPirate You Need To Talk With Him Simple and Sweet Talk Dont Be Angry Tell him Your Feelings and I Hope He Understand Your Feelings



It's hard because he doesn't open up much and always seems to think I'm accusing him or maybe that's how I'm coming across I don't know.

You are right though we do need to have a proper conversation about it. I find it hard to admit how I feel though because with my ex admitting you felt hurt or anything was a big no no. He would just use it against me so I learned not to show any sign of "weakness" as he saw it.
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A Libra moon ..... oh hell naw!!!! Libras don't see advances when they are not equally interested. Libras like to be liked, so he's not going to break their friendship. Relationship or Marriage doesn't break who we choose to continue to have in our lives. We expect our partners to understand and fit in. All that confrontation is both a turn off on the Libra side and a turn on,on his Scorp side. Libras don't hide who they're with so the not being friends on fb is unacceptable. You should be his friend and post your "I miss you", "enjoyed last night", "can we do it again". If he deletes these posting, you need to delete his ass. PROMPTLY, there are ways to get answers, usually the direct up in your face WORKS!!!
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The investment of any fish is looking before you leap. Speaking from a male perspective i would say hes enjoying her attentions but to what end? What is it about her attetniton the supercedes yours? There must be something that your not picking up that hes putting down. He obviously truly does not want to be done with you and you are not done with him. Internally your looking for an answer that removes that constant obstacle of that girl as a threat to your union with your man.

My best friend is a scorpio male and sad to say he was a man whore. From interactions and observations. It is the excitement of new and crazy sexual possibilites that excites him. He gets hung up on the fact that this girl might be more kinky than his current lass. The solution ? Well the pisces that nailed him down ... Hes to busy trying to figure out what shes cooking up next for him in the bedroom to be interested or even worried hes missing out with other women. He thinks shes a sex tiger and kinky floozys have that "sex all the time thing kicking about" is what im vibing. He probably hasnt made any investment physically with her.

You try what you want here. But im thinking that hes really given you the answer. From what i gather your a fireball. Anger is born out of love without that love the anger would not exist. Funny how pain is a symbol of something that feels much better when the fuse is left unlit. Your holding back. Im sure he senses that. Its all or nothing. Whenever im agitated or pissed the reason is i care. You getting pissed off turns him on.

To validate you. If i were you id knock that chicks teeth into the back of her throat and hang her by her loose knickers. Go kick some emotional ass. If he or you decides to give it a go. Id say he drops and blocks facebook girl off the list read ads you, Then you can get angry about something else and slap him around like he wants. Because honestly not worth energy to lose your shit over something that you can control with the correct approach. Your want is not wrong make the correct approach and i think youll find it works out. Your not fixed like he is. Water flows over under or around its obstacles to reach its goal. If you cant well youll be a puddle, bog, or a swamp.

Water boys tend to love the mental ones. So put on your mad hat and hit his tea party hard.
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Posted by Kali
He couldn't understand why I wouldn't give him a chance. 10 years of marriage, 8 of which were spent with me begging him for attention and affection, (I didn't want to just throw in the towel, had to convince myself it was beyond repair), those last 2 years, even though he tried, it was like all the love I'd given him, shown him, with him repeatedly throwing it back in my face, to me, there was no going back.

If you have told your scorp guy that this hurts you, and he continues to do it, regardless of your feelings about the matter, to me, it's selfishness on his part. Yes, there may be absolutely nothing to it. But it hurts you, and that should come before any other consideration on his part. Just my opinion.



very hurtful. Sorry to read all this on your account, dear Kali.

My dad did same to my mother. His all flirty years went away for other girls. now he is an old man with pain and aches, and my ever-faithful mother has to take his old age shit. Sorry to say. I love my dad, but as kids we suggested my mother to leave him. She did leave him for a year. he followed her. Today every day he repeats how much he loves my mother.

go figure!

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thank you, lovely 🙂



My father has to take antidepressants for his ailment. He has been through quite a bit such as heart surgery last year. My dear mother is fit and all attractive. My father sounds drugged up all the time these days and my mother says he just falls asleep even when sitting.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that I hope this generation MEN know what they are doing because they better be good or they may end up with empowered women and they themselves in misery.

Amen!
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