Hard to find eagle type scorpios

The scorpios I know tend to play dirty. They don't even understand the premise of the word "fair". It is fair not because it is fair, but because they say it is.

The eagle type scorpio has ALOT of Sagittarius in them. This gives them the idealistic slant and the onus to focus their intensity to philathropic things, and bring out the truth.

One reason scorpio and libra cannot get along: Libra LIVES for the word FAIR. Scorpio twists the word fair to suit his agenda. Libras sense of justice gets twisted by scorpio's cruel and unjust principles. Scorpio can hurt Libra just by toying with fairness.

this leads to resentment.

Why do scorpios play dirty - and take pride in their manipulations/cruelty/forcefulness/brusqueness?

I hardly find eagle type scorpios who live by their values instead of living by what they can GAIN.

My mother is a scorpio and she makes no apologies for her nastiness. In fact, she covers them up and puts a ribbon over them so they look pretty. Silly Aries gets fooled but not this Libra.

Thanks Bryn =)
scorpios may probably think otherwise
nevertheless, all opinions or reactions welcome.

But before I sound like bashing a certain sign unfairly, I have to say the eagle type scorpio is the most revered and powerful there is. Its because they have mastered themselves. The lower type scorpio always seeks to master others, control and manipulate others. The eagle type turns it inward towards himself. There is nothing more powerful than that. . . one prime example is Napleon Hill. His vision and values are beyond par.


Meister Hill.

true, the only phoenix scorpios are the sco/sag cuspeans. 😉
Finally i got my appreciation.😛

either sag type or 9th house type, I think 😛

but one aspect of sag is they can be overtly optimistic or lofty.

Napoleon Hill has a Scorp sun and Virgo moon, no sag planets but probably 9th house planets. He is pretty much Godlike.

let's stop talking about shapoleon hell, there is no Godlike but me.
besides i have the sag and the 9th house stuff, and virgo asc.
virgo moon in other hand sucks cuz i would bore myself then.

Dude, I don't know much about your life; I have read Mr. Hill's books. Ya should like him as well, 'coz he's a Scorpido archetype. . . and has your similar placements. But that is just an analogy. . . it's more like who a person strives to be (better and better) instead of who they already are. No-one is Godlike just by virtue of planetary inclinations. . .

Mr Hill sacrificed (phoenix) his prime for the sake of furthering humanity's knowledge. He did not reap the rewards of his lifetime of hard work for himself. Others did.

i will read about him later.
now gotta go sleep.
good night.

Nighty

rings very true. I have a bunch of planets in Sagg.
live and let live.

Dude(ttes) I am just learning about Scorpio with Sag influence. I am really not sure of what I say, actually. No offense intended; I dont really know how this combi works, but intuitively, it is what I come up with. Because Scorpio is the sign of the slavedriver, while Sag is the sign of the wildhorse. You're actually at odds within yourselves. And the Sagittarian type Scorp has a greater tendency to give up controlling others because they tend to see the intrinsic value of freedom. Not that they are right per se (I have to give up judgment on personality issues), but plus their philosophical bent, they are more likely to seek the unbiased truth and actually hit the bullseye.

Napoleon Hill surprisingly does not have any Sag planets, but considering his major is philosophy, his cluster of personal planets (likely the sun) has to be smack in the 9th.

But it aso depends on the bearers' maturity. You're not something based on the placements you have. . . there is a shadow side to everything, too. Arrogance is a trait of Sagittarius, and especially snobbery. . . these arent eagle traits, too.

Something interesting about Napoleon Hill is that he has turned everything inward. . . the Scorpio power into focused concentration, and managed to channel everything destructive into constructivism and positiveity. In a sense it is the antithesis of Scorpio. . . but he has managed it to perfection.

There are I think 3/4 levels of evolution (whether real or abstract). First level is the snake, then the scorpion, the lizard then the eagle/ phoenix. Most scorpios hover between scorpions and lizards.

When they refer to the 'eagle scorp', it usually means one that has integrated an open mind into their psyche - like the eagle, who, instead of seeing in the tunnel, has a long range vision, like an eagle in flight. Has gotten rid of the stinger, the selfish, manipulative tendency and become free from his/her own limitations. . . the only people they seek to manipulate or control is themselves, so they come across as very kind and amiable people - and that is not even a front/ act (like most scorpios do), but something part of their personality. It helps if you have alot of Sagittarius because Freedom is stronger than limitation and Sagittarius wins Scorpio; you tend to see the positive rather than the negative. . and do not exhibit jealousy, envy, ruthlessness, evil. . . all the infamous scorp traits. .

Posted by Hairitic
Had no idea he was a Scorp/sag cusp

No he wasn't a scorp/sag.. he was an early scorp (or scorp/lib cusp)

Posted by Hypno
let's stop talking about shapoleon hell, there is no Godlike but me.
besides i have the sag and the 9th house stuff, and virgo asc.
virgo moon in other hand sucks cuz i would bore myself then.

that is so farfetched from the truth I cant even blink straight. My dad was born on the Scorp/Sag cusp as he is anything but I saint.

I won't even tell you how screwed up of a person he is.

"However, sometimes the extreme pain Scorpios experience (and a lot of times inflict upon ourselves) only serves to harden and desensitize us from the pain of others and our biggest motivation becomes guarding ourselves from more pain by becoming the most offensive inflictors of pain."

Yes I can see that. Actually, its not the young scorps that inflict the most pain on others; its the older scorps. . . but they don't realise how they affect other people. The "sensitivity" of scorp is slowly hardened as they age, and they can become heartless and ruthless. Unfortunately, they can sting anyone but those they hurt the most are those who they love the most. So it goes against them.

"To me, there really isn't a lot of difference between those two types of people; only knowledge. "

Theres quite alot of difference, IMO. . . knowledge is not enough. Alot of scorps are too proud to change ("transform ") themselves even if they obtain knowledge. They are very fixed on who they are and make no apologies - very resistant to what comes from the external - their truth is their own truth, not from external sources, not even the universal source. Pick only truth that supports their agenda, thus skewing truth to their favor.. its the pride more than anything. . .

They want to change others, but not themselves. . . that is the premise of the topic. . . they dont realise the hurt they cause others; to them it is justified because they said it is.

"hitting rock-bottom personally"
I think you're right - it is essential for a new change; sometimes scorpio can use that as an excuse to change, and leave things to rot until some massive need for change beckons. . . before that they dont see the value of change....

It's a powerful cusp.

fwiw I am an eagle scorpion.

I agree a scorpion would have to hit rock bottom to transform into the eagle. I hit rock bottom in my early 30s... And for the last 10 or so years that is all I focused on was evolving.

I have read Napoleon Hills books but the one that I read over and over again is "Think and Grow Rich A Black Choice" it was written by Dennis Kimbro and Napoleon Hill. I read I when ever I need to.

I have not stung anyone in god know how long. I do become distant and aloof for a bit then try and express my issues when I am much calmer. I don't associate myself with negative hell it is just a part of me anymore. I do get depressed at times and ask myself or tell my gem I feel depress but don't really know why but just letting it out helps and being with a gem helps me to get out of it quick but I can't say the same for him. Lol

It was not an easy process but I know I needed a change so much was going on in my life in my 30s it was basically the only thing I could do to make my life better and it has.

Today I am going through a transformation again. Left my job of seven years to pursue a career that is more challenging and fulfilling. I don't know where this transformation will lead but I do know it will change me for the rest of my life.

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Posted by scorpio_chic
I'm a scorpio with a libra ascendant & a lot of libra in my chart. I wonder if that's why I avoid drama & confrontation & have always been the peace-maker in our family.

How do I find out whether I'm an eagle scorp and what do you mean by eagle scorp?

you have to do some reading on your own abt legend of Pluto, Phoenix and types lizard/eagle scorpio.

But Pluto signifies *regeneration, a total overhaul*.. stripped down to basic and build back, which by no means is easy or accomplished by many. Like true saturn's rise is always sprinkled with many falls on the face and again up the hill task, the same way pluto's journey is to goo deep till the end, and start again and this time chosing consciously and knowing unconscious and riding the urge to control, be vindictive and dominate. (this journey typically involves greatest of sorrows, end of every support system, isolation at some point and general catastrophe in life where others believe you will not be able to rise again, even if you do, it will still be limited)

it's very whimsical, I agree. But I know people who have done it actually, both with storng saturn and Pluto influence, (well aspected) the saturnian rise and pluto rebirth type influence and its actual implementation, ofcourse they had no idea what they are doing and why, or went by their charts.. 😛 .. Stephen King had no idea he had mercury conjuncts neptune in house 3 of communication, as the apex point of his Kite formation with base at Midheaven, 😉

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very well said. while reading i saw myself in all of what you said. very knowledgeable of you.