Just been played by Scorpio guy?

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Hoping for some help here...!

I'm a Scorpio, and I met Scorpio guy online, slightly over a month ago. He's been texting me everyday since then. We met up 2 weeks ago - 6 dates so far, 5 movie/dinner dates. And yesterday, after he'd persistently asked about it, I agreed to hang out at his place for a movie (nothing physical happened). I knew what it most likely signified...I'd rejected his past offers to 'hang out at his place', but I thought that it was time to see for myself what he was up to. Up to this point, there has been NO mention about 'us', what he felt towards me...in fact he'd been very carefully steering our topics away from how he 'felt'. I had a very strong gut feeling that something was amiss, somehow, but chalked it down to him being a typically mysterious Scorpio.

And the outcome - he texted me again today, asking to see me - and this time, asking me if I wanted to sleep over. I was upset, and because I wanted to make things clear, I told him that I was kind of offended by his request. I have told this to him before - I have no intention of sleeping over - knowing pretty well what that leads to. Especially not without a status to my name.

He apologized and shortly after, left me a short text asking if I still wanted to see him. I replied that if he was looking for someone to 'stayover', he should find someone else. He apologized again, explaining that he wanted to see me, but was too tired to make the drive over tonight, and then just stopped talking to me abruptly after that. (coincidence that he's feeling tired, after I rejected his offer?) He was pretty casual about the whole incident...very unruffled, in fact.

Please note that I come from a traditional country where we have pretty strict values. I'm not against pre-marital sex, but I do require at the very least - a mutual commitment, love (and trust), before proceeding, none of which were offered to me by him at this point in time.

I did what i had to because these are values that are important to me. But I do feel sad because I felt a special connection towards him. And I wonder if I'd made a wrong move and pushed him away by doing so, or has he actually been leading me on all this while, just for some sort of a FWB arrangement?
me - scorpio moon/pisces sun/sag merc/libra venus
him - scorpio sun/pisces moon/sag merc/scorpio venus

What should I do now..? Opinions greatly appreciated 🙂
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ellesque thanks for replying! I'm a wishy-washy puddle of mush at times, and full-speed-ahead at other times, haha. Not too sure about him though.

Well the thing is, I feel like he was testing the waters by asking me over to his house, with sex as the agenda. And when I agreed, I gave him the green light to ask for MORE. And so he tried to take the next step by getting me to sleep over this time, so he could PUSH for more. This is how I interpreted it, in any case. Where I'm from MOST of the (decent) guys actually don't get girls to sleep over, unless they were only in it for a fling.

I want a commitment of sorts, and although it saddens me, I would much rather keep a distance if that isn't what he can offer me right now. And you're totally right...my sag merc is DYING to let it out, but I feel too vulnerable to do so. I was with a Gemini previously, and it was so much easier.

update: He gave me a call just awhile ago, but I kept it short and polite. Didn't know what to say, didn't feel like talking. Sigh...
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Thanks for the replies guys. I'm at work now so I'll just clarify a few of crabbycrab's points first.

- precisely because I said no many times, that was why I got upset. I duno about you, but I don't like it when someone can't take 'no' for an answer. It's disrespectful to my decision, to say the least.

- I trusted him - enough to agree to chill out at his place. Granted nothing happened, but I suspect that was only because I made sure not to send out any 'signals'. But what happened after that? He decided to push for more, probably thinking that I'd given the go ahead. It upsets me because he either 1. Has no respect for me, or 2. It's a norm for him to ask random 'friends'' over to his place for 'sleepovers'. I don't deny that I could be wrong about this, though.

- I don't expect any commitment from him right now, Im just saying that if sex is on his mind, the only way I would consent is if we were officially together. And if, in the near future, he has no intentions to commit but is still taking me out on dates, I see no point in furthering this. I would much rather distance myself, than hang around while he searches for a better option (pardon me for being practical)

- He doesn't pay for everything, sometimes he treats, sometimes I do. But he has been a gentleman about picking me up and sending me home, and I do appreciate that.

- Agree to go, and tell him we're not having sex...I really don't see how this would be effective, and as a guy, you should be aware of that? At best, his hopes would be dashed when he realizes that I mean it FOR REAL. At worst, I'll be seen as a cocktease.

- I have never dated someone with any form of 'benefit' in mind. I am sbecause I have feelings for him, because we enjoy being together (I assume he does, otherwise he wouldn't have asked me out that many times). He doesn't pay for everything. We take turns to treat. And money is honestly not much of a concern to me. Afterall most of the places we go to aren't that expensive, lol. He is however, very sweet about picking me up and sending me home, and I do appreciate that very much.

I'm not too sure how all of this applies to the question, to be honest. But I thought I'd clarify. Thanks for your input crabbycrab. And I agree that I could possibly have overreacted. Thank you for pointing that out.
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I don't think he's playing you at all, in fact, I think it's the exact opposite.

However, I think he's pushing/rushing things because he's trying to figure out how YOU feel about him. You wrote in one of your above comments:

"update: He gave me a call just awhile ago, but I kept it short and polite. Didn't know what to say, didn't feel like talking. Sigh.."

Nothing wrong with keeping a conversation short when you have nothing to say, but put yourself in his shoes, for example:

"but was too tired to make the drive over tonight, and then just stopped talking to me abruptly after that. (coincidence that he's feeling tired, after I rejected his offer?) He was pretty casual about the whole incident...very unruffled, in fact"

you view him abruptly stop talking to you and his casualness as him just wanting a booty call when he was probably feeling like shit after being rejected. He might even be feeling worse now after your polite conversation.

That's his problem how he feels but I also think you need to warm up and open up to him some more. I think you might be the mysterious Scorpio in this relationship 🙂
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atsirk: I see what you're trying to say, and I agree with most of it. I've had that thought as well, which is why I'm posting, to get a better perspective on things.

If what you've said is true, I would be more than glad to make it up to him! But (to me at least), I've been more than obvious about my interest in him, as obvious as I could be without wearing my heart on my sleeves. I've agreed readily to every date he's initiated, for one, never canceled or stalled. I think that alone should speak volumes. Then again, like what ellessque mentioned, perhaps he does need to hear actual words instead of just actions?

Having said all that though, there is still that one nagging question left - I DON'T get how trying to get me to sleep over, is supposed to help him understand how I feel about him - unless it's getting to know i feel about him - sexually. Call me cynical, but c'mon, we aren't exactly a couple of grade school kids planning for a slumber party here :p
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To Ellessque (and anyone else who has taken the time to read this):??please bear with me because this is gonna be my disorganized train of thoughts speaking.

When you mentioned that one of us has to give in. Previously, I've never actually had this problem. In my past serious relationships - Virgo, Aries, Gemini - it was clearcut and straightforward, and more than once, I'd actually been the one who'd in a way, prompted them to pop the question.??

With this guy though, I'm cautious and I'm not sure why. I remember reading something about how scorpios 'mirror', and I'm wondering if this is such an instance, both for me and for him, lol.??

With my lil Pisces heart, once I'm committed to a relationship, I cling on for all that I'm worth. ( I stood by Gemini when he picked up gambling and was swarmed with debts, and only left after I found out that he'd been trying to cheat on me.)??And so this stage is crucial to me, in that I'm trying my best to make the right decision.

To add on, there's also the fact that I've read about how Scorpio men tend to take it slow, and so I was hoping that this would give him the space he needs to think about us.??

Any thoughts..?
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Another update: crazy scorp just asked me to be his gf - over a series of goofing-around texts that I initiated (yes, he goofs around all the time) seriously..what..?? And I hate to say this, but even Gemini was dead serious when he was asking me to be his, lol. I know this sounds juvenile, and it is. We're already in our late 20's. And in case anyone is curious, he's in the finance industry. Am I supposed to still think that I've been the one who's 'playing' him?
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SwimmingLioness: no worries, all opinions are welcome =)

Well I didn't initiate the goofing around, I just initiated the chat 😛

Since general opinion has been for me to express my opinion, I decided to take the plunge and go ahead. Like what you guys predicted (you're all awesome!) he said that he wasn't even aware that I had feelings for him, so he never got serious as well. He finally did ask me to be his girlfriend (well told me, actually), but I haven't given him an answer yet.
I also told him straight out. that it scared me that he could ask a girl to his house so casually, his reply was that he never asked anyone else, only me.

I'm not too sure what to make of that right now. In any case, I'm still chewing on this one. I just have these alarms going off, you know? And I don't really know if it's my Scorpio paranoia, or my gut telling me something :p

P.S. Everything is happening so fast all of a sudden, I think i'll have 10 updates by tomorrow! lol
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ellybeans: you know what, it's not just the Scorpio men who pushed too hard, got burnt, and learnt to slow it down (on the surface, I should think) the hard way. I am guilty as charged, too, hah. Anyway, I hear ya. Thanks =)

ellessque: HUGS! thank you so much! You and the others have been a great help, with that giant push. Lord knows how long I would have been floundering around if I hadn't made this post. lol! In any case, I've already made that big first leap, and I'm gonna take a break now. Am quite (emotionally) exhausted! Will be back with more updates, hopefully all goes well. *fingers crossed*

Anyone else with more to add, please feel free to do so =)
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ellessque: And to be honest, I never knew that Libra in venus had this tendency. Is this your venus as well? Because I can really empathise (is this the correct word to use?) with your explanations, I just never quite registered all that in my consciousness, or associated it with my Libra Venus before. Always thought it was the Pisces moon that was causing all the hesitation and sticking my head into sand. Great new perspective. Thanks!
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Maybe he really likes you and is awesome in the bedroom and plans to rock your world so much that you will never want to leave his side 😛.

For the record, I think more women need to keep their legs crossed. Kudos to you.



This is what I'm thinking as well.
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"Use what you got to get what you want". I stole that line from a movie.

I know I tend to try and impress when all else fails. I think I am the Next Iron Chef so I would probably try to cook something for someone. Maybe he has mastered the art of lovemaking.
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Another update! After an hour of haggling (over the same old subject), just when I was about to settle in for the night, he came over to my place unannounced! And that, after going on and on about how sick he was feeling, too, lol! So we went for a walk - an AWKWARD walk, lol gotta love post-confession - had a chat, before he headed home again. I'm thrilled that he came over, and I think it really is time for me to let down my guard, and stop doubting him. Feeling so relieved now...

nala13: That would be awesome :p To be honest? I was having the hardest time keeping my hands to myself. Values aside I'm still a healthy woman with healthy needs lol...


ellessque: An Aries moon must feel liberating, I should think. In real life, I'm aloof/polite/aloof/shy with people I've just met, but I'm painfully blunt, and terrorize those who are close to me, haha.

skykomish: THANK YOU. And wearing that badge of awkward with honour :p
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Updates, and some questions. After a week of (I quote ellybean's fantastically apt description) 'orbiting around each other', we finally made it official a couple days ago. But now...how do I begin...I feel the power dynamics shifting - I surrendered, it was inevitable. But I have doubts if he will handle this control that I handed over to him, responsibly and lovingly, or if he will take it for granted?

During the talk that made us official, he said - "I think about you all the time, I want to see you everyday" and I was sold. Am a self-confessed clinger. We saw each other yesterday - our first day as a couple. He waited an hour for me, before taking me out for lunch and some ice cream. Then I went for a movie on my own later on at night, with my own group of friends. It was a movie date that I made with my friends long before, and he knows about it.

Well it's saturday today, I woke up, happy and excited about the new day, and I asked if he wanted to meet me, but he told me that he already had plans at a club tonight. No mention about a meetup in the afternoon, whatsoever. I felt disappointed, but I concealed it (best as I could), and told him 'you could have brought me along :p but have fun anyway!' he said i was so cute.

I guess my question really is...if I was mistaken (especially with what they usually say about Scorp in Venus...he seems TOO aloof to be one, I'm not sure at all) - if he isn't on the same page as me, about spending time together, then I'm not confident that this will work out. I'm in deep, now I can't really see. This out of control feeling is the worst.

What do you guys think? Thanks for reading 🙂
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No, I honestly belief asking if he wants to meet between his plans does not constitute to being anywhere close to the initiation of a date.

It's too submissive to be, too *hoping* rather than you pulling out two tickets to a movie (or a comedian, concert, etc) he's been wanting to see and telling him to be ready to have you on his arm by (insert time here) with a reservation you've made at a restaurant or tapas place to follow. Everything on your tab.

This is a very Lioness suggestion for me to make, but if you want time MAKE 5the time - don't suggest it because your needs probably won't be met to your satisfaction. Things are not going wrong, and I know it's probably difficult for you to not analyze everything. But sometimes you need to convert that methodical thought into action for your own happiness and for your own sanity.

Every male Scorpion is made different but from my experience.. my Scorp has always found it to be insanely attractive and sexy when I've pulled a move like the one suggested above. Sometimes male Scorpios like watching the power switch for a little while - and love watching how you carry it.

I commend you on waiting. The only time I've waited was when I realized that the potential for love was there. Scorpio and I waited about 6 months before we felt emotionally ready to act upon our love 'all the way' (lolol I sound like a 12 year old). Best decision we've ever made. I'm glad your values are very much a strong part of your character.

And finally - you could even make him a homecooked meal from scratch.. just treat him every once in awhile to making him feel special and MAKING the time for you two. He deserves to feel special too.
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@ellesque I was hoping you would reply. Thank you! What do you mean by "we will possesss them after that first sexual act happens if there is no emotional connection"? I understand what you're saying...I'm trying to relax and go with the flow right now. But before I am certain that he is able to be accountable for the power that I hand over to him, I am unwilling to surrender this vulnerability to him.

Using my Gemini ex as an example - (I'm not sure why it was so easy, especially with him being a Gemini sun Aries moon lol. Maybe because my north node is in Gemini?) - with him, our relationship really flowed. We had a shared understanding that we would be seeing each other everyday if we could. He was responsible, affectionate and reliable, and that was when I relaxed totally and entrusted my heart to him (Well he did try to cheat in the end, but I would chalk that down to a character flaw of his instead) and it was a beautiful relationship while it lasted.

I totally hear you about the sex bit though. I am in my element when it comes to sex...no worries in that area. I actually have to resist the urge to wave it around as my little trump card - when I could have given him a 'sneak preview'. We've had no physical contact yet, except maybe holding hands, lol.

I'll try my best to relax...feeling much calmer now after your reply.

But just one more question: Seeing me only when he has the time - will this become a habit, or is he just warming up? From what I know....Habits form early on in the relationship, and what happens in the first month is usually indicative of where the relationship will head...Where does "He's a Scorpio" end, and "He's just a typical man" start? He hasn't even taken me to meet his friends yet, and I don't know if I should see this as a Scorpio thing (he's still being cautious) or a man thing (he isn't serious about me). Hopefully you can shed some light on this bit.
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@Huntress Thank you so much for taking the time to respond! Well I did what you suggested, and I TOLD him instead of ask him, to meet me today. But again, negative - he already had plans with a friend to go car and apartment viewing. So the next thing I did, was tell him "I actually prefer for my bf to make time for me, instead of slotting me into his schedule. Just to give you a heads up." And he made a counter offer to see me for a movie tomorrow.

I used to be very outspoken about my needs as well, but it turned around and bit me in the ass instead. Being very cautious about doing that right now. The thing is, with Scorpios (at least, with me) by voicing out our needs, we are handing the power over to the other person. They know now, that they HAVE what we need. That's a risk that I'm contemplating to take. For the whole of last week, this 'power play' thing was yoyo-ing between the two of us. I instinctively knew when he was handing me the power, and I knew when he pulled it back - which meant that it was my turn to submit...lol I hate these games 😢

And 6 months?? THAT is impressive. I would never be able to hold out for that long...I probably need it just as much as he does, lol 😢
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@Huntress sorry, I missed out more point that you were making. I hear you about making him feel appreciated. Can't cook for nuts actually, but I'm a Scorpio for what it's worth...and I WILL pay it back to him triplefold...without a doubt. But only after he's earned it for himself. And in any case, he's the only man in my life. I've rejected all other date offers that came after him. That in itself, should make him pretty special, no?
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i dunno. i think i would've thrown an almighty strop by now cos he seems really half-hearted about seeing you!! perhaps the 'official' talk was his way of giving you what you wanted and allowing himself to kind of place you in a box tagged 'relationship' that he can tell himself he has in his possession but has no need to open right now.

personally, the second things start becoming 'defined', i start recoiling mostly cos i think if you need to define things in a relationship, it's all a little too forced for my liking. i think things should develop organically from just hanging out and having fun together but too many people want to package things up into relationships when the time just isn't right to do so.

when a man does it, i always think they're being territorial and he's making sure that you're not gonna run off and fuck someone else cos really, in the early stages of any relationship, that's what's important even if you're not actually having sex with them.

see the problem is. you have the talk. you decide you're officially an item and then both of you change. mostly cos the talk has activated all your relationship expectations. for men it's a case of them knowing they have you and they can now move swiftly on to taking you for granted and for women, they feel they should suddenly be elevated to number 1 top slot in the man's life and everything else in his life should fall by the wayside.

obviously, when i say you i'm being general cos i don't know what your relationship expectations are. but you know what i mean? you expected a change after the talk i'm sure cos it's human nature. that's why i don't have the talk, lol.

another irritating 'talk' i've heard about is when people become 'exclusive'. WTF?? i had this talk initiated by a sag guy last year and i was a little offended actually. i said to him that if i was having sex with him, i would not be having sex with anyone else...what kind of woman did he think i was?? and i added that if he having sex elsewhere he would be in rather serious danger of having his gonads served to my dog with a 'jus' of sag blood.

the only talk worth having concerns marriage....if marriage is your thing.
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rigormortis: "i dunno. i think i would've thrown an almighty strop by now cos he seems really half-hearted about seeing you!!" THIS. Which is what I meant when I said it shouldn't be this difficult. If it is, something is off somewhere...we aren't in sync, and it worries me. If our individual expectations don't meet, then it's not gonna be fair to both him and me. And unfortunately for me, I'm the impatient sort...either we get off on the right foot, or we call things off. Which is why a talk is necessary for me.

It wasn't a "lets make this official tonight, baby" talk. It started out more like...an exchange of (pent up) feelings, especially from him. He said that he needed me to show more interest, initiate more things. Which lead to us finally deciding that it's gonna be official. But yes, I do expect a change...a sense of responsibility and commitment towards each other, for one. And if this is not what he wants, then he's absolutely free to leave.

Possessing me aside - there is no one else that I have an interest in at the moment, anyway - I'm afraid that it might be exactly what you spoke of: him shelving me aside, and moving on to whatever is next on his list of conquests. So yes, being taken for granted is a very big concern of mine at the moment - especially with all that half-heartedness coming from him.

Well I won't be requesting for a meetup anytime soon now. Yesterday and today I've done it, and got rejected twice (although last night, he ended early and wanted to see me, but I was already out with friends by then). At least I can safely say that I DID try.

Sag guy is funny btw. What a totally Sag foot-in-mouth thing to say. hahaha...
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Lol, I'm just swarming with bad emotions right now. Sorry to have unleashed it on the board 😢 Taking a BIG step back to recompose myself and reconsider my options. I don't think it's Scorpio paranoia, but my inner voice telling me that this just isn't on the right track, and I think it's time to pay some attention to that voice. Keeping fingers crossed that it'll work out, but I'll be leaving the door open on this one 😢 Please keep the opinions coming in, if anyone has any to offer!
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It may only be me, but I don't think him having plans a lot or doing things instead of hanging out with you is always bad. I'd think I were selfish if I expected that out of a man all the time. If he had plans to go to a club and went to the beach, none of that including me, I'd be disappointed, but I'd also realize that he can do his own things whenever he pleases and doesn't have to include me all the time or every day. Same as how I sometimes need to hang out with my friends or go places on my own instead of hanging out with him. Honestly, if you're upset about him not hanging out with you, tell him that you're upset and that you two need to hang out in the near future. You need to stop worrying so much over this and just let things run it's course. If he thinks of you as his girlfriend, he's going to take the effort to spend time with you. It may not have happened yet, but it will. If you're with him for the right reasons and actually care about him, then this wouldn't be a make it or break it deal, in my opinion.

Aside from the lack of hanging out, it sounds to me like he's into you and is being sweet. You said he did try to hang out with you when his other plans ended, but you weren't available. So, that isn't completely his fault you couldn't hang out. You keep talking about this gut feeling you're having, and whether it's right or not, it's going to hold you back. You either need to deal with that or move on from this guy, because it seems like you believe in it a little too much.

Just my opinion, though I don't know the whole situation.
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Scenic: thank u for the encouragement! I was actually available, even invited him along, but I was with friends and it was a distance away from him, and he decided not to join in. I know I sound all 'me me me I want this I want that', but I truly believe that with a matching set of expectations, these things go smoothly. I've already told him that I need a bf who is able to make time for me...will see how it goes from here.
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To the lovely people on the Scorpio board, just dropping by to say hello! I hope you've all been doing great 🙂

Just a little update for whoever is curious - I ended things with the Scorp shortly after my last post. Turned out that he wasn't a 'Scorp', just a plain ole' douchebag. He did some pretty nasty stuff later on...i guess he just hid it really well. Dropped him like a hot potato the moment I was able to confirm his douche-y ways, and I haven't looked back since. In any case, it wasn't a complete loss, because you've all taught me a lot about myself in particular, helped me push my own limits to learn and experience new things about myself, and I thank all of you lovely ladies - ellesque, rigormortis, ellybean, nala13, and the whole wonderful lot of you - for that 🙂

Went on to date a Leo for awhile - plenty of partying and booze going on, but he was too much of a free-spirit for me, and it just didn't work out.

Finally with an Aquarius/Aries moon right now - a very sweet, affectionate soul. I'm happy 😄 Hoping that this is it for me, fingers crossed. If anyone wants to read more, I posted on the Aqua board: https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/aquarius/aqua-m-scorp-f-actually-getting-along-3470645/
Wishing all of you well, and many blessings to all 🙂