A new Totem

Scorpio has the Eagle, The Lizard, and the Scorpion itself, so I was wondering; what about us? If Virgo is related to the moon, and independence/aloofness I can only think of one animal that would suit that particular mix; the Wolf. Cool, feirce, cunning, ferocious when roused to anger, and fine if left to it's own devices....could the Wolf be our totem? What do you all believe would help to add/suffice for our totem?

ECHO!!!!

*VE echos only to hear himself, but becomes instantly fond of the sound of his own voice, and rebuffs dxp's attempts answer him* lol

Strange VE.....Mr. ponytail (virgo) has a favorite picture on his wall and it's the lone wolf howling at the moon...on asked why he likes it so much, he replied, the wolf reminds him of himself!!!...you could be on to something there ith your wolfy thing

A x

lmao, is my egocentricity so obvious? It's not just that the wolf is anything of 'personal' value to me, just that the wolf in general, is relative to the Virgoan way in so many different ways...since both signs (Scorpio and Virgo) have to do with healing, and transformation in some sense, and that the broad spectrum of Virgos, no two are even remotely similar, which could be reasoned out be they are currently in different forms of expression/progression; the Angel being the highest totem like that of the eagle in scorpio, and the wolf, being the middle form of virgo, and then the fallen angel being the lowest. I have found information both personal, and objective to say that of all the signs, Virgo bears the greatest potential to go from 'Good to Evil' considering life experiences. Ruthlessness, cold-bloodedness, and arrogance to the point of isolation are just a few traits that describe the Virgoan temperment gone bad....the upper is Spirituality, Expansion, and Magnetism are the upper parts. Virgo is the sign of the female genitals no? meaning a certain 'openess' of character about them, when they've acheived their ultimate form. I believe Virgo should strive to be open, and show themselves, but this can only be done, when they've accepted/spared humanity for all of it's 'lesser traits'

I feel when you aren't accepting yourself for all that you've got and can give, and aren't expressing these gifts, you aren't worth really being. It's okay to toot your own horn every now and again, but don't run away with it. I know I can come off as arrogant, and looking down my nose at others, but really, I just believe in myself, and so much so, that I can take the scrutiny of others. I can grow, so I'll take every chance to do so.

"I can grow, so I'll take every chance to do so.".....no better words than that have been spoken today VE - for one so young.....you come out with alot of wisdom:-)

A x

Actaully, I do believe the wolf is the virgo's totem, why? Because a wolf can be a very gentle creature when unthreatened. However, wolves are one of the most misunderstood mammels and virgos are the most misunderstood sign of the zodiac.

lol I believe a scorpion was selected as a water sign because at one 'point' in it's evolution it was a marine dweller...I'm just putting it out there. Right now, Scorpions are desert/wasteland dwellers, and I believe because of the current way it lives, it should be akin to an Earth sign. It would make sense, in the abstract, but the current idea of scorpio being 'emotional' sort of screws with the idea of that coming to past....if only people could look past the details....

Cappysweetie, with no ego, I can honestly say, that you've hit the nail on the head. I guess because Virgo is depicted as a Female, it has to be soft, and constantly reminded it must 'be a lady/gentleman'. lol Virgo as far as the prefix goes means 'virile' or 'masculine' if I'm correct, and Virgo focuses on the combination of contrasting energies, making it 'androgenous' containing feminine, and/or masculine energies to be in 'harmony' much like a man and woman making love; Virgo then must mean 'completion' or an end to the identity complex because all is right within. Its working outward that takes work because this sign is internally complete, and resides at the end of the zodiacal spectrum that focuses on the development of the self; when you have all the energy inside you to complete anything, why is it 'necessary' to seek help outside you yourself?.....It's also my belief that Pluto is a ruler of Virgo, because Pluto is responsible for hot and cold, and various other contrasting/volatile forces....resulting in an explosion if one doesn't manage their energies properly....

this is of course just a postulate, not a law, but isn't that the zodiac at large? just a postulate? I also support/nominate Vulcan (wherever the hell it is! lol) Uranus, and Jupiter. I can reason them out in a simple three sentence paragraph for each if I'm questioned. I know what I'm saying, and it all makes sense if you think about it.

yeah I can see the correlation.....alhthough I think a porcupine would be just as fitting....

lmao, really? I could see it now....

*VE fades off thing of all the wrong doer's in the world and sends a face-full on needles their direction* lol...hehehhee MUCH better than goring someone...lol thanxxx CancerLA I need the laugh, becuase things we're starting to dry up around here lol

then again I could just look at those typos in that entry...lol 😛 thanxxx just the same though man!

Roxi:you should have ickle bickle puppies as your totem or perhaps a newborn lambikins or a litter of fluffy wuffy kittens

LOL.......hahahahaha

a lambkin....well......LAMBCHOPS!!!! Roxi you know the recipe right?!

*VE demands lamb chops and an eyeball for added manliness✨ lol 😛

Honestly though roxi, I believe Virgo is a better canidate for the Cardinal Wind sign area than Libra.....alot of what they say about libra is just fluff, and lies to make the zodiac progression system work.....ya know, fire, earth air, water.....


*VE states sarcastically* Virgo just happened to come after Leo so, Virgo MUST be an earth sign! It makes sense!!! um.......no it doesn't and heres why.......

Libra is the sign of justice the scales of balance (now we all know that earth is conservative, and resistant to change, and balance means to take a system and to keep it going, so nothing changes to keep the peace which is 'non movement'/conservation: it doesn't mean it's not sociable, but it does so for practical gain at times, so libra can't necessarily be a wind sign simply because it 'communicates') and the sign is about fairness....well what's fair? and balanced? a system designed to 'adjust' (mutability) to meet the needs of the public and to maintain order and a conservative look at what is defined as 'right' or 'wrong' in our daily lives (earth).....and they say justice is impartial!!! lol there's no way someone or something whom is judgemental by nature could be impartial becuase a judgement is usually made in favor of something! I could go on and on about all the obvious details that stick out about this but...well I'm sure you get the point now.

Air by nature is movement, and the faciltiation of ideas......Libra strives to keep the peace, by balancing things......so....how is it apart of the wind sign trio if it strives for conservation? Life is run by chaos (Which is a violent but necessary upheaval the cardinal start for change) and order (things coming to tranquility when the storm is over). They just wanna keep things the way they are. Their ACTIONS show they don't like it, but do change, so change isn't in their natural dispoistion making them anything but wind...

lol no, wind as in cerebrally detatched, and rationally directed.

(if nothing else than the wind for a dutch oven....lol 😛) lol, I'm serious though is it really such a far off idea? One of Virgo's main principals is discrimination and objectivity......the wings for the sign should sybolically stand for a firm sense of objectivity and a detatched nature......all the peices are there as far as I can see, but no one really cares to put them together.

Wind is prmarily about using the cerebral facililties before using personal effect right? well if Virgo dosen't meet that description I know Libra sure dosen't. I feel generally that more than most of this stuff about Virgo is a bunch of bull, and only is true towards the general expression of the zodiac....it's SUPPOSED to be grounded, and stable, but it really stands apart from the other earth signs.....you'd agree that on average most introverted signs (Pisces, Scorpio, Cancer, Capricorn, Taurus,) usually have the most trouble understanding the Virgoan temperment, or a just belly-aching about this, and that, but the extroverts seem to be less concerned, and generally appreciate us more....I think the term is 'like attracts like' or something like that.

possibly....but we won't know until it gets noticed by the greater astrological community....I actually have theories backing this postulate......guess it isn't such a postulate then.....lol anyway, It's just an idea, wonder why no ones ever noticed....

nyx, let's also not forget that so much of Virgo is shrouded in mystery and speculation: our planetary rulership (that alone will have a tremendous change on the Virgoan temperment and to tell the truth, I think it already has: in no other sign have I seen so much diversity...) how long do we have to wait before we get some answers? I like the idea of these things but I must assert my ideas as I want them to be noticed.....basically, acknowledge the logic of my idea, and Virgo is a wind sign, and that at this point should go without saying.

it was said (and trust I've heard it enough times to vomit it back VERBATUM...) that Libra was placed between Virgo and Scorpio becuase something was needed to force them apart for some reason or another....now, visually, even symbolically can't you imagine seeing Virgo in the air, and Libra the earth that seperates the Sky from the Sea....?

So in equation form:

Virgo(Air) then Libra(Earth the balance necessary to keep the two in harmony, THAT is the most sensible purpose for Libra the one who shows us middle ground (earth/diplomacy in practicality) instead of going from extreme to extreme, going from generally mental and cerebrally oriented to generally emotional and instinctual.......then Scorpio(water).

Hell, Libra in that sense would be better suited to Mercury rulership becuase diplomacy is a form of internal(feminine) communication(mercury)(becuase Libra is about generally patching things up in personal affairs or at large using personal appeal to make this work practically diplomacy is a practical matter that is used in everday life....) mercury makes you chatty anyway, and Virgo isn't always that....I've been told I'm too much in my head, to cerebral, the earth can never be that divorced from itself otherwise it would cause disruption.....Taurus is ruled by venus which is beauty, and peace which is relative to the earthen concept of reality and practical results, then Capricorn, which is about discipline, ambition, and drive and social order, comes from Saturn which is used for everday practical matters.....they both relate but Libra, ha! Mercury is used to communicate in such a way it puts personal and buissness relationships back together, and matains their functionality and use with adaptability (meeting people half-way)....Now it at this point should come as no wonder why Virgo dosen't mesh with the rest......it's naturally cerebral, and rational, and idea oriented.....I've never heard of a Virgo (now the nature of the sign can become disillusioned, but if they are living up to their potential can bounce back with the same vivacity that is where the healing aspect of the sign comes in! That's why it's the female genitals, It's used to maintain the idealism about personal realtionships (sex) and that with the human race! The experience is rational, and idealistic, but kept in a detatched manner becuase that is the nature/element of the sign! A~I~R!!!

HA!!!!! damned astrological authorities!!!!!! Take THAT!!!!! And another point for VE.....THANNNNNXXXX!!! lol HA!!!! I DID IT!!! I DID IT!!!! lol

*VE jumps up and down hysterically urging all to come and see!✨ hehehehehehe ROFLMAO!!!! hahahaha 😛 Sorry guys I appologize.....lost my head! lol

*VE collects himself, and returns to earth FOR A WHILE!!!✨ I know, the whelps annoying....BUT he's a smart little whelp!!.

and they say the devil's in the details.....LMAO!!!!!!! the truth is read inbetween the lines!!! Anyone who believes different is just plain gullible!!!! Sorry, can't shut up someone help me....! lol

Roxi:
>fluffy wuffy kittens

LOL Roxi = )

I'll vote for the wolf, right on VE.

Back when I used to play Everquest, my main toon was a shapeshifter who could change into a wolf... for what thats worth.

Reallllyyyyy........FC, but as I said, even if we agree upon it (which I'm sure most of us do) I would have to get some 'astrology big-wig' to come take note of it.....though, I think transformation would be an idea best left to scorpio, there is a healing aspect to BOTH signs, I say that Virgos who may loose their idealism may bounce back and heal from that returning them to the sky (Mental realm) rather than the earthen one.......sorta like how a birds wing is nursed back to health and helped to fly again....

Reallllyyyyy........FC, but as I said, even if we agree upon it (which I'm sure most of us do) I would have to get some 'astrology big-wig' to come take note of it.....though, I think transformation would be an idea best left to scorpio, there is a healing aspect to BOTH signs, I say that Virgos who may loose their idealism may bounce back and heal from that returning them to the sky (Mental realm) rather than the earthen one.......sorta like how a birds wing is nursed back to health and helped to fly again....that way the healing aspect of the sign is expressed for it's worth to the sign.....Most cardinal signs do have a element of practicality to them becuase they are lead by aries, which is entrepeneurial and buissness oriented.....so Virgo with it's skillful mind would be able to turn it's thoughts into money as well, but that isn't necessarily where you'll find a Virgo's happiness......Show me a Virgo who dosen't like to think, and I'll show you one that hates it...

All the peices are there......it's up to US to put them together and see what the BIG PICTURE is.....I could also say that Virgo could be the worst sign as well......the polar side of the angel is the devil, and if a mind like Virgos should be tainted (a logical, rational, and emotionally detatched mind) it could make them cold-blooded, heart-less, ruthless.....that is the shadow side of Virgo I think......imagine, a Angel with no sense of remorse, or feeling and that moves based on logic and is free of the feelings of guilt that are accompanied by brutality.....horrifying really.....Can you say Sociopath? lol 😛 I've noticed I have a rather vindictive side as well, Depending on how caught up in it I am, I'll strike the person repeatedly, untill they've got it figured out I can't and won't be stopped....It's really a shame how poorly astrologists have captured us......

>Reallllyyyyy........FC,

I can imagine your eyes rolling and you looking oddly at me VE, LOL.

not at all FC.....But I'm a little confused....how can the 'Healing Aspect' of the sign be expressed through mercury? The full potential of the sign isn't being examined.....just the more unsavory parts of it.....I thought that Virgo was primarily a healing force that could be used for good or evil. Only now, Astrologists aren't talking about it and are focusing on the 'surface' of our abilities.....why?.

personally, well that's just it: I lack personal feeling. Basically it's as if 'I' am not there.....sorta like the wind....I use my mind, and often time siphon off my emotions for extreme detatchment or just don't pay attention to how I 'feel'. Now, someone who was emotionally attacthed could never do that becuase the emotional force would over power them and they'd spew their gutz out.....Now, I do use discipline(saturn) to control my feelings but most often than not, I just don't really feel any type of way about things strong enough to really be too bothered.....as long as it dosen't halt my plans, than I'm good. other wise....can you say TMI.....?

*VE chuckles* Your guess is as good as mine Scorp-in-Law, it may as well be with that 'deer caught in headlights look' and all...lol