Are Virgos SUPPOSED to be indirect?

what up all? It's VE, and he's just plain vexed now; SHOULD A VIRGO BE INDIRECT? I have to say an indirect virgo dosen't sound right...I was shy, but when I realized I wasn't being seen, I snapped out of it; It seems to me alot of people are 'threatened' by a direct, and assertive virgo.....it's like it throws them off becuase they defy explanation, and understanding....what are your thoughts. People have free-will and can CHOOSE to be this way, I just don't see it as a admirable/respectable trait.

I see virgos as pretty direct people... even their indirectness is pretty direct if you ask me lol

I'd judge someone on how respectable they are based on their intention to deceive... or not.

I agree rp; which is why my approach is usually honest (if not tactless) lol!!

I know a lot of Virgos and even the sweetest one of them is pretty direct... even unexpectedly so! My mom is that way, she seems so cute and sweet but you'll get your answer ha ha ha my friend is the same way! In MY own personal experience I sense that they may use an indirect approach to... hmmm I guess what I'm thinking would be redundant lol Just as it sounds, not obvious but obvious enough... hmmmm... testing the waters... playfulness...

"which is why my approach is usually honest (if not tactless) lol!!"

- That's true! This brings to mind that I sometimes feel like harsh comments are sometimes a bit judgmental or biased... which is what I sometimes disregard... I see it as a virgoen mood lol "Alright I'll get back to you laterrrr when your smarts are less muddied" heheehehe 😛

we are only indirect when the subject is something we do not want to talk about.

"see virgos as pretty direct people... even their indirectness is pretty direct if you ask me"

Yes, this is very true for the virgos I know. I have this girl I'm talking to, and we get into it all the time because she is way too outspoken and won't hold anything in! (I kinda like that fire (I mean Earth...?) in her though...LOL!)

Virgoexalted is the same way, if things are NEEDED to be said reguardless if it's the painful truth or not, he will say it! I guess to them it's 'why hold back when it needs to be said?'

I admire this trait of theirs. Direct, blunt, honest...Brilliant..

Not admire..but respect..thats the word I was looking for.

RP, as the truth seeker of the zodiac it is usually my job to say, or do the things most people fear, or shirk from; so a degree of bluntness, directive, and courage is usually a part of the Virgins tempermant. I am blunt not to be judgemental or biased becuase a virgo at her best is very broad-minded, and ready to entertain an idea that may offer a new possiblity or chance; the harsh statements are a 'brutal truth' that must be stated to stop the madness of the mistake you continue to make; for some reason, we don't like error, or imperfections; being that there exists in virgo a degree of idealism(which is COMPLETE CONTRIDICTION TO HER NATIVE ELEMENT EARTH) she wishes the world to exist in it's 'true' state; perfection. Hey she's gotta start somewhere!

*mockingly repeats mother archetype*
Now timmy, tuck in that shirt, and scrubb those shoes until their just perfect!!

I think Virgo is so obsessed with perfection becuase it reminds her of her 'true home'....above the clouds in the heavens.....in heaven is it not prohetically 'perfect'? so as an earth sign, how could she CENTER her sign around such lofty, airy, idealistic pursuits such as perfection? Perfection isn't practical; it is UNOBTAINABLE, yet she tries.....I think theirs an earth-sign faker in our midst.....

I think someone wanted to be 'fair' not 'truthful' when they slapped earth placement on Virgo, and said it was Mercury ruled; there have been so many errors in astrology, and so much distortion, and muddled ideas, that it all seems theoretical, and if it is...why could things not change for our dear angel?

I see that too. Getting all the advice on everything until HE makes the mistake! Then war breaks out when you try and point it out! Wow, these guys are frustrating!

Blunt? Moi? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

But of course my Dear! 🙂

Get it all out in the open and deal with it so one can move on with the greater sense of accomplishment!

Man...that can be kinda harsh though, don't you think virgos? I understand that the truth needs to be said in the rawest form, but don't you guys consider that their feelings could get hurt, or that isn't a problem?

BigD56; we, I feel are the 'cardinal' step to the cultivation/creation of the human soul; it MUST be said in it's rawest form, so that change, and ascendance may be acheived; it must be 'intellectual' or 'windy' of us to do this....Virgo is basically a 'raw or untouched' material, that is esentially, and 'symbollically' a 'cardinal' rule that is responsible for the devolopment for the inner drive of humans; to know the soul is to know the person right?.....Hurting feelings is a problem, but we are usually diplomatic in aproach, and can actually have tact....but things MUST be said...it is the only way we can get off the ground and fly....

I see...so you see the 'bigger' picture. I guess you understand that them finding the truth will be worth it hurting their feelings, because in the long run this will only help them out to move on...man, that's as real as a sign can get, huh? Personally, I understand that this truth needs to be told, but I do sugarcoat and cut the truth up into bite sized pieces so the person can not only realize the truth, but also understand that I wasn't trying to be cold, I was trying to help.

Critism is a 'weapon' if brandished incorrectly branh0913; it could 'restore' or 'destroy'....Yes things need to be said, but have a little patcience, and understanding I understand your zeal, but don't be overly-ostentacious; our sign isn't about stomping all over everybody; Virgo is about anouncing what truly exists, and what MAY BECOME; we are the 'truth seekers' and we know and akin to what is true in ANY FORM....you gotta work on your people skill branh; I know your a person, and underneath that 'airy detached' attitude, you as a human need humans; I believe in honest communication myself, but I HAVE LEARNED that there is a way to come across without hurting people; now then, that also depends upon YOUR intentions as well; are YOU OUT TO HURT, OR HEAL? Becuase trust man, it can come back to you....don't dish if you can't take it ya know? I WON'T SUGAR COAT THE TRUTH; it must be said, and in the aftermath of it, I can console you; it is more sincere to tell the truth, than to openly admit to deception; in the big picture, or the 'long run' you aren't doing anybody any good by lying to them....

It's not that I lie to them, I explain the 'truth' to them in a way that isn't too harsh. I understand the power of the truth, and I try to use it's power very delicately, in ways that the person can understand instead of throwing a tantrum to a point where they may not even want to agree with me. All I want to do is help, I don't want to waste their time being angry with me if all I tried to do is help! Like VE said, critisism can restore or destroy, and I'm not about destruction.

VE, understand where brahn is coming from. The truth in it's rawest form is actually in my belief the best way to help a person. If no one gave you the truth in it's whole, then how can the person realize the seriousness of the truth? Someone has to say it in order for the person to understand it. I don't think telling the truth in any way is bad, as long as you don't lie about it.

I'm confused here; BigD, help me out here.....

"I do sugarcoat and cut the truth up into bite sized pieces so the person can not only realize the truth, but also understand that I wasn't trying to be cold, I was trying to help."
"VE, understand where brahn is coming from. The truth in it's rawest form is actually in my belief the best way to help a person. If no one gave you the truth in it's whole, then how can the person realize the seriousness of the truth? Someone has to say it in order for the person to understand it. I don't think telling the truth in any way is bad, as long as you don't lie about it."

Now you side with branh... I do understand where branh is comming from; but from what you say it seems you don't....first you say you sugar coat, and branh is advocation the DIRECT OPPOSITE OF THIS; I don't get it bigd, did you change your mind or do you feel the same? Are you saying you understand both sides, and that you side with both? I dunno....

No VE, I'm not taking sides. Understanding and taking sides are two different things. I'm saying that I have my ways, that could be right or wrong, and branh has his ways, and he could be right or wrong. All I know is that as long as the truth is being said, it really doesn't matter. Me, and my approach, is more to spoonfeed the truth, and his way is to shove it down the throat. Either way has it's pro's and con's, that's why I can UNDERSTAND where he is coming from. Any way isn't all bad in my eyes, so even though I'd prefer not to give em the cold hard truth, I can still at least UNDERSTAND the reason to do this.

Thanx for the clarification; needed it; was a little confused.

Thanx for the clarification; needed it; was a little confused. I feel that the truth MUST be said, becuase it would be more damaging sheilding a person from it(if only a little) than allowing them to grow up, and accept what comes to them in full effect; yes It is becuase I care that people need to know the truth; through the truth we learn what will harm/aid us, and how we can love/protect ourselves that much more. I could care less about being hated for the moment; but as for the lifetime, that means everything, so I must let you know the full effect of something to protect you from your own ignorance; in retrospect, and looking at the bigger picture, I love you so much that I want you to be strong enough to come to terms with what ails you; you must confront what is in your way; I will be by your side in that process as well so as to cast aid; bigd you and I had this conversation before; a person is only as strong as their drive to acheive it, no we aren't born strong but have equal chances to cease this; you cannot interfere with someones own personal deliverance/ascendance they will learn to depend on, and ultimately love themselves that much more becuase they dug down to find their own way, rather than relying on someone else to save them; it isn't humanitarian to pity, but to acknowledge and see what exists in a person despite their own weaknesses; to get stronger, you must overcome them.

VE - let me add my two cents.

If you have the insight and wisdom to see the truth, consider that a blessing. You are not obligated to share that truth with someone who is not ready however. In fact, timing is everything. Deliver the message at the wrong time, in the wrong way, the truth will hurt the person you are trying to help. In fact, more often, the person becomes completely shut to any consideration of what you believe to be the truth.

If you need examples, just look around America today. Pick any hot topic social issue. You have two camps that are ready to goto war over the Truth. If you want to convince someone to your perspective, what are the odds that bashing you with statistics, anectdotes, facts, are going to change your mind.

You have to lead people to the answer, let them discover it on their own, and they will make it theirs. That's the way help someone see the light.

It's worked for me. I hope you find this helpful to you.

I couldn't sugarcoat anything, to anybody....it must be told...I'd be hurting you in the long run even if my aim was to 'water down' the truth....when you jump in and play hero all the time people never learn/negotiate their own mistakes, and take care of themselves; for example, if a child continuously eats off the ground in hopes that mommy will catch them, becuase mommies always 'right there' to catch him, what happens to the child after they sneak that morssel? They get sick, and possibly dead....that is the truth, and you must acknowledge it. To sugar coat something means you don't really care what becomes of a person if they make it through the experience...it only signifies dishonesty ULTIMATELY WHETHER IT BE DIRECT OR INDIRECT....a callous indifference to a cause....Would you sugar coat something to an person on the street? No, becuase with all hope, they may learn from this with the truth and grow.....so only should the same thing be expected from family.

tazman, I was saying essentially the same thing; you have to let people figure things out on their own. So how exactly does sugarcoating the truth (covering it up, and protecting them from reality) and allowing them to 'see it on their own' the same thing? I don't get it.....And sure! Timing is important, but I guess untill then you fabricate something in order to sheild them from 'truth the inevitable'....no, that is deception, and lies, and lies distort the truth; the truth does not distort the truth; I have been told actually NOT to sugarcoat anything, but take others feelings into consideration FIRST...then execute the truth; you can't hide the truth forever, or a person behind a veil of fantasy....eventually, they'll have to get out on their own, and come to terms with any ugly truth that they hid, or we're kept from....it's cold out here alone, man.

I think your responses to the this post makes my point. You are not ready to see the "truth" that some of us are trying to share with you. Most of us who've stepped on the landmines of pushing our unwanted opinions on others. Yes, I said opinions. Your truths is just your perspective. You may feel down to your core that it is the right conviction.

Time and experience will better hone your ability to see the other person's perspective and better guide you to help that other person. Afterall, isn't that the underlying reason for giving out the truth? To help someone?

Keep that in mind and remember there is no one best way to achieve your good intent.

perhaps...maybe I ought to be in a straight-jaket huh?! lol!! I just don't think you're helping anyone by sugarcoating anything; I am not tactless in that I am ONLY out for hurting feelings, at the expense of my lack of care or whim; they matter as well, but I've encountered experiences where I should have told the truth sooner, or should have flat out told the truth....so I give them the truth, you ask for it, you get it...you don't want it, then I'll weave a web of lies around you; long-run, you aren't aiding or helping someone by sugarcoating; bottom line; for instance if you didn't tell me 'FLAT OUT' what was wrong with my posts, how would I know wheter or not to contine them; it all comes down to honesty, and out of PERSONAL preference, I favor honesty, not a carmel crunch lie; in life it dosen't matter wherther you're ready or not to handle anything , becuase I promise you life ain't that sentimental things happen regardless of your own feelings or others; just a law of reality/life....you need to know right then and there how to attack a situation, and get on with your life....suicide, been there, and got over it....becuase of that, I am stronger becuase I needed to see the truth, and stoped distoring it with lies.

I especially think that it is wrong to lie about feelings, and matters of the heart; why? well sugarcoating things can take away from a person wanting to live life; it opressess; remember that old phrase again? What was it? Oh yeah, 'the truth shall set you free?' I believe that; the truth is the absolute, ONLY thing that matters; truth in everything is what we seek, because as a human, you don't want to be caught WILLINGLY in deception and lies; so why lie, or decieve yourself, if ultimately all your going to do is figure the truth out anyway? The truth is NOT as destructive as people believe...it is only healing, and temporarily abrasive, like alcohol on a wound; it hurts at first, but is VITAL TO HEAL.

Tazman: "Your truths is just your perspective"

Nail on the donkey. Our points on this topic is our OWN truths, not THE truth. Our truths creates our reality, how we see things. This is why I continue to stress that IN ANY WAY YOU TELL SOMEONE THE TRUTH, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T LIE, IT IS ALL THE SAME. Right or wrong?

Eirgoexalted "well sugarcoating things can take away from a person wanting to live life"

Honestly, as far as I can see, the cold hard truth has the power to KILL people, and even make people KILL THEMSELVES...sugarcoating things is only being polite and caring for the person's feelings.

Direct in aruments and highly indirect in love.

No; ultimately sugar coating is not kindness; it is indirect deceit; maybe I just believe that we must destroy ourselves, to truly gain sense, and an new-found appreciation of the self; if figuring out the truth destroys that part of me that was initially weak at first, then I am sure it will result in a 'rebirth' of the newest form of the self; the truth is hard, but in the end the person will/should thank you for the kindness, and the consideration that you had for them because you gave the truth, and although it hurt, you stood by them when the chips were down; I would not sugar coat that truth beucase I can offer up my time if they need a shoulder to cry on; I'm there, and won't let you endure it on your own; that is true care and love in terms of personal feelings.

Avalan32, I don't know what Virgos you've been with but I am probably more expressive with my feelings than an aries!! IF I feel love toward you I want to be close to you, and show you all the ways I can love you. I wouldn't stave off any personal feelings I had for someone becuase that is lying, or 'sugarcoating', and in retrospect, that seems to be the new trend for people on this board; would you want someone to 'sugarcoat' or water down their emotions for you? No, I don't think you would becuase you seem to like most humans value it's gifts, and it's rewards; love can transform a virgo, whether it be self-love or love from a person.