Impending Economic Collapse (Page 2)

btw this link is hilarious Cajun and he still hasn't come to the point! Thanks for the entertainment. 🙂

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo

no - he wasn't any better. It's a common misconception based on his cult status.

Even if he wasn't any "better" he still had the balls to give the world this

Posted by Cajunspirit


Seeing as you know so much, obviously more than Stansberry.

Did you predict the things he did, in the times past?

What do you think will happen in the future?
How does a country pay off trillions in debt?

How does the Federal Reserve serve your country positively?

You think he is saying everything he knows in that video? It's perfect salesmanship that teases the listener to listen until the end thinking they will actually learn something, but of course they learn they have to contact him. Doubtless part of the information is free, but I'll bet there is a charge not far down the line.

I'm an optimist. Everything has a way of going back to balance. This is a great opportunity for the US to reappraise what it can do and to redefine its position in the world. It has enough in the way of resources, skills and workforce to grow back what it lost as a result of the sub prime crisis. I certainly don't think hiding diamonds under the mattress is the answer.

btw I didn't say Kennedy wasn't a great orator. A charismatic who said what people wanted to hear.

reading words of cappy go lucky ,she's on my wave
such "charity" however subtly expressed in phynikian signs is so hypocryte

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo

I'm an optimist. Everything has a way of going back to balance. This is a great opportunity for the US to reappraise what it can do and to redefine its position in the world. It has enough in the way of resources, skills and workforce to grow back what it lost as a result of the sub prime crisis. I certainly don't think hiding diamonds under the mattress is the answer.

btw I didn't say Kennedy wasn't a great orator. A charismatic who said what people wanted to hear.

What people wanted to hear? Even in the speech I posted?

So you trust your Government that steals from you and makes the rich richer. That strips it's citizens of their pensions and savings and enforces more taxes?

You believe the bailout was a good idea?

You believe 9/11 was a terrorist attack?

You have not answered how your country will come out of trillions of dollars in debt either.

Posted by Cajunspirit


What people wanted to hear? Even in the speech I posted?

So you trust your Government that steals from you and makes the rich richer. That strips it's citizens of their pensions and savings and enforces more taxes?

You believe the bailout was a good idea?

You believe 9/11 was a terrorist attack?

You have not answered how your country will come out of trillions of dollars in debt either.

re Kennedy - you clearly wanted to hear the speech and are impressed by it.

re : your other comments - Those are all completely separate discussions from your original post. What I'm saying in relation to your op is that this guy is misrepresenting historic facts. If you think he is speaking gospel then that's your choice. What I have said is that what he says about the UK is not accurate. His advice is to hide money from the government. That doesn't sound like a policy that is good for the US at all. He may as well be saying withdraw your life savings and put then under your mattress.



Perhaps the US should print some more dollar bills and bail the UK out? Sounds like a grand plan and has a touch of marshall plan nostalgia.

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo

re Kennedy - you clearly wanted to hear the speech and are impressed by it.

I just happen to fancy the truth.

re : your other comments - Those are all completely separate discussions from your original post.

Indeed they are, and as you have done before, you avoid the real issues.
You discredit someone with a proven record and provide no substantial evidence of your own.

His advice is to hide money from the government. That doesn't sound like a policy that is good for the US at all. He may as well be saying withdraw your life savings and put then under your mattress.

At the end of the day, the fact remains.
We traded in Gold and Silver before money came about.
Paper based money has no value and the coming economic depression WILL devalue it greatly.
The account of Scotland bankers selling the King paper based money on gold and INTEREST says it all.

Posted by 25thDecan
The "crisis" is people who cannot come to terms that change is good and inevitable.

I fail to see how pension theft and bailouts for failures is "good"

Stansberry...lmao...really? Jessayin. Believe what you will, you're legitimate in this, Cajun...but what country is NOT in the red? Name that country please.

It's a debt based economy, developed and driven by the disgusting greedy banking cartel.

Fyi: there is no "global currency".

Not yet. The video speaks of reserves, not a global currency.

To add: the "idea" of the "American Founders" was STILL a "utopian" society. That little tidbit is for those who debate U.S. economy and politics and aren't actually U.S. citizens. You can "warn us" for sure..but what about your impending "rise and fall" and the inevitable continuation of capitalism.

Doomsdays are always at the forefront...for the doomsdayers.

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And there have been many, it's only natural to doubt it given the extensive history and characters.
But this time, has the Bible and several other prophecies backing it up.

Posted by Cajunspirit


I just happen to fancy the truth.

since when do politicians tell the truth?

Posted by Cajunspirit

Indeed they are, and as you have done before, you avoid the real issues.
You discredit someone with a proven record and provide no substantial evidence of your own.

I said carry on believing it if you wish. I don't have to and I've already said it's highly misleading about UK economic history. I've already told you but if you don't believe it go and read up on what really happened here.

Posted by Cajunspirit


At the end of the day, the fact remains.
We traded in Gold and Silver before money came about.
Paper based money has no value and the coming economic depression WILL devalue it greatly.
The account of Scotland bankers selling the King paper based money on gold and INTEREST says it all.

there was a reason nations moved away from gold. I'm sure there is a temptation to go back to the gold standard for some. The pros and cons of that are another discussion. However, the fact remains that hiding gold bullion under your bed is not in any way going to help the US recovery.

There will be changes for everyone because of the impending energy crisis, and no amount of gold under beds will prevent that. Creative and inventive thinking might.

Posted by everevolvingepithet
Silver is used shitloads in electronics so it's always going to hold some value imo.

true but storing it under your bed is no IMO sensible. I have found advice like this on sites before which say, don't trust the banks but keep silver bullion in a safe in your house. If everyone starts clamouring for silver of course the price will be inflated (it already is). It will also lead to an increase in prices for electronic components, which will be passed to the consumer and any shareholders. Speculation like this just ends up biting ordinary people in the end.

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo


since when do politicians tell the truth?

The politicians are saying the economy is fine and recovering.

Do you believe them?

Posted by red_aries

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo


since when do politicians tell the truth?

The politicians are saying the economy is fine and recovering.

Do you believe them?

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I'd look at the sources they are quoting and make up my own mind. What would you do?

*facepalm*

Posted by red_aries
*facepalm*

ok, that makes sense.... ::sigh::

I was about to post something along the lines of what cappygolightly posted, but she just said EVERYTHING I wanted to say 🙂 almost like she sneaked into my head lol

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
I was about to post something along the lines of what cappygolightly posted, but she just said EVERYTHING I wanted to say 🙂 almost like she sneaked into my head lol

lol must be a virgo moon thing!

I'm surprised someone as sensible as Cajun is so taken in by this. Apparently according to the source you have to pay $ 49 to obtain the information about the super dooper "must have".

IMO it's common sense that individuals are going to want to hedge against future economic woes. But if everyone does the same thing how is the US going to have a future? Having an offshore account would have to be in a stable currency. I would suggest Swiss francs. 🙂

Posted by Let*It*Be
"I'd look at the sources they are quoting and make up my own mind. What would you do?"


As long as your using your mind and seeing the reality without being told what's going on, but when you use words like "they", automatically puts you in sheep category. Who gives a shit what "they" say? Does it jive with what you see around you? I didn't think so.

you couldn't be more wrong about me. I was merely responding to the context in the question. You're being deliberately confrontational for what can only be personal reasons.

Posted by Let*It*Be
Who the hell is "they" anyway? Are "they" your neighbor, struggling small business owner, unemployed, in bankruptcy? 9 times out of 10...no.

"they" in the context of this discussion are politicians, not brought into this debate by me but by another poster.

My main point in this debate is that this IMO is just a scaremongering swizz. All such packages pick on threads of truth and weave them together into a credible, emotive story. As this appears to have gone viral I reckon the pickings will be good. The charge is very carefully thought through as well. Just about affordable for someone who is not yet on food stamps. Perfect marketing strategy and perfect salesmanship. Kudos to this guy for having you all so wound up. 🙂

Posted by Let*It*Be
No, I have eyes and ears and tend to use those for my own surroundings and environment to know, what the OP was getting at. My point being I didn't have to look at his suggested link, the truth is there for all to see who wish to remove the rose colored glasses or wool over their eyes. THAT was my point.

Thankfully someone sees it.
I, in no way, ever endorsed any subscription suggested at the end of the video that people seem to be focused on.

I just wanted the salient points, many of which ARE facts, to be out there.

Posted by Let*It*Be
First of all, there was no attack of any kind on you. I suggest you reread and notice I asked questions. Second of all what guy are you talking about that "wound me up"? Are you refering to the link I didn't even bother to look at? lol...gee that would make me a hypocrit now wouldn't it? This b.s. is posted all over the net, if you turn on cnn you'll see the same shit. No, I have eyes and ears and tend to use those for my own surroundings and environment to know, what the OP was getting at. My point being I didn't have to look at his suggested link, the truth is there for all to see who wish to remove the rose colored glasses or wool over their eyes. THAT was my point. You were referring to "they" ...I simply do not do that. There's the difference and the misunderstanding that led you to assumptions. I don't even know who the hell you are.

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Of course you attacked me. You were replying to my post in a confrontational & sarcastic manner, doubtless venting your frustration about something from the outside world. You didn't check the context of my post and labelled me "sheep". If you "don't do they" that's fine, but please don't attack me for using a word you "don't do".

Posted by Cajunspirit

Posted by Let*It*Be
No, I have eyes and ears and tend to use those for my own surroundings and environment to know, what the OP was getting at. My point being I didn't have to look at his suggested link, the truth is there for all to see who wish to remove the rose colored glasses or wool over their eyes. THAT was my point.

Thankfully someone sees it.
I, in no way, ever endorsed any subscription suggested at the end of the video that people seem to be focused on.

I just wanted the salient points, many of which ARE facts, to be out there.

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I don't think anyone has rose tinted specs about what's happening in the global economy because everyone is affected to some extent. It's the source you posted that I have a problem with and not the acceptance that something is wrong.

It wouldn't be a bad thing for the world if the dollar is no longer the major currency. The current deliberate devaluation is making petrol more expensive for everyone. If you think you have it bad, we have petrol at approx $ 2.40 a litre. That's over $ 8 a gallon.

Posted by Let*It*Be


Bite me..no time for your defensive bullshit.

if that is your attitude then don't waste your precious time replying to my posts in future.

Posted by Yossarian
The signs are indeed everywhere. Every Tea party I attend I see the hands go up as people are asked how many of you have never been involved in any kind of political action group. Yet they are here, ordinary folks, the "not going to be silent any more, conservative majority", gathering to discuss the ridiculous spending habits of an out of control rogue government.

Someone here said that they pay about 8 bucks a gallon U.S. for gasoline? Well Europe is much more condensed and you have fully developed metro transit systems. The average American is lost without a vehicle. Try living in Central Florida, Rural Kentucky, or many other places without a car, it's just not feasible. Now try paying for gasoline at double the cost coupled with high insurance premiums, all while working a minimum wage job you drive twenty minutes to get to.

College is no longer a guaranteed path to success. Many graduates are living below the poverty level flipping burgers, while they try to pay off their student loans, because no one is hiring in their chosen field and there are no manufacturing jobs to fall back on.

The guy in that video may be using scare tactics to sell a product, does not mitigate the truth of our economic troubles.

We cannot continue to spend money we do not have, it's just common sense.

These problems are by no means limited to the US. The majority of people here also rely on cars to get to work or because they are in remote areas of the UK. It's ok living in London as it is in NY where you can use the subway, but outside of London people are really being stung because they are forced to drive. Many areas in the UK do not have an intuitive transport system and even in big cities people have no choice but to drive. if they take the bus then that too is affected by the fuel cost. Food inflation is through the roof too as a result. Everything is affected.

We also have too many graduates and not enough jobs. Graduates will now have to spend about ??40k on an education only to end up working at a supermarket till. We no longer have a manufacturing base as production has moved to china. People are losing jobs and everywhere seems to be staffed by interns. I had to reapply for my own job as we had mass redundancies.

On top of this we pay and have traditionally paid much higher tax than the US. Much of the cost of petrol he

We also have too many graduates and not enough jobs. Graduates will now have to spend about ??40k on an education only to end up working at a supermarket till. We no longer have a manufacturing base as production has moved to china. People are losing jobs and everywhere seems to be staffed by interns. I had to reapply for my own job as we had mass redundancies.

On top of this we pay and have traditionally paid much higher tax than the US. Much of the cost of petrol here is down to the whopping taxes we pay per litre. About 60% is fuel duty. The idea behind this is environmental in that it seeks to ensure people conserve fuel by not driving, but in reality most people are forced to drive. Most of them also spend their lives sitting in traffic.

Perhaps in mainland Europe things are easier. I understand for example that Germany and France are doing well and showing signs of growth. But we have shown negative growth and the era of "austerity" is sitting like a grey cloud above the UK apparently for the next ten years.

I would agree that the current economic policies in the US are unsustainable. You cannot print money forever. But the US has been built on spending money they don't have, as have many modern economies. That's why so many crashed and burned when things went wrong. They printed shedloads of money here for a while here calling it "quantitive easing". People were not happy about it. Perhaps we have a more vocal press because everyone here is aware of what is going on.

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo
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Perhaps in mainland Europe things are easier. I understand for example that Germany and France are doing well and showing signs of growth. But we have shown negative growth and the era of "austerity" is sitting like a grey cloud above the UK apparently for the next ten years.

Indeed, here in The Netherlands for instance and particularly Germany and France as well, we have very much been spared most of the misery this crisis has brought to many other (neighbouring) countries, there have even been rumours of these three countries joining forces for a new common currency in the unlikely scenario of a Euro collapse. We're very strong exporting countries, in fact even though The Netherlands are one of the smallest countries in the world, in 2009 (when recession started) we were the 2nd largest export country in the EU and currently we're also in the top 10 of world's leading exporting nations. The thing people here are not too happy about at the moment has to do with us being pretty much the biggest financial contributor to the EU per person, yet it appears it is the bigger EU countries that have the final say in things. People here are getting fed up with having their tax money gone to finance emergency plans to save the sinking ship that is Greece for instance, there is a very real possibility of Greece leaving the EU at the moment. Its still hard to know what is worse though.

In my immediate environment I notice our strong position as well, the number of Ph.D students from countries like Spain, Greece and Italy coming to The Netherlands only increases, which seems obvious since they actually get paid here (and quite well too) for their research work, unlike in their home countries where they'd be lucky to even get paid something.

Also I notice an alarming number of British professionals moving to Germany and The Netherlands because the pay here is simply better than back in the UK.

Posted by Yossarian
I really am not sure what your point is? Things are tough here too so pretend like your economy is not failing?

Look I get Europe has problems too,however, the OP is trying to bring to light problems we Americans are facing right now, in order to wake up those around us who are not aware.

It is not helpful to say we got it tougher than you, quit being babies, the sky is not falling.

You know I was in Italy when it cost over a million lira for a loaf of bread, America is not ready for this.

Why? ask me, go ahead...Because there will be no America to bail us out. No America to forgive us our huge WWII debt so that the pound can bounce back, no America to fly in food by the ton to ease our starving populace. We are on our own.

But even though we bear the burden alone, we will not crash alone. Many, Many, countries are propped up by the United States, and they will fail with us. I would think that piece of information alone would have you worried sick about whether or not Americans are waking up to the crisis instead of saying oh well, get over it.

my point was that things are tough here but nobody is panicking about hiding silver bullion under the bed. People have lower expectations here and are stoically getting on with it.

I'm surprised you think the US is not ready for austerity. I have friends in the US who have lost their business and have had to change their life style drastically since the economic meltdown. That's a few years now. People adjust. The culture in the US has been far too focused on materialism for far too long. As for the US propping up countries, well you don't get a return if you don't invest in the first place.

Re : your last para, that is why they want to move away from the dollar as the World's reserve currency. It's another reason too not to take the advice of this guy and send all your money abroad where it will depreciate just as soon. I don't see what mass panic or riots or a mass exodus will achieve to change the situation. Perhaps instead it's time to retrieve that puritanical streak that led to the US being so great in the first place. As I've already said, there are plenty of talented, skilled, creative people there and the country is pretty much self sufficient if it wishes.

As for fossil fuels, they will become increasingly scarce. Cheap oil may become a luxury and the levels o

As for fossil fuels, they will become increasingly scarce. Cheap oil may become a luxury and the levels of production we've seen in the last 50 years unsustainable.

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom


Indeed, here in The Netherlands for instance and particularly Germany and France as well, we have very much been spared most of the misery this crisis has brought to many other (neighbouring) countries, there have even been rumours of these three countries joining forces for a new common currency in the unlikely scenario of a Euro collapse. We're very strong exporting countries, in fact even though The Netherlands are one of the smallest countries in the world, in 2009 (when recession started) we were the 2nd largest export country in the EU and currently we're also in the top 10 of world's leading exporting nations. The thing people here are not too happy about at the moment has to do with us being pretty much the biggest financial contributor to the EU per person, yet it appears it is the bigger EU countries that have the final say in things. People here are getting fed up with having their tax money gone to finance emergency plans to save the sinking ship that is Greece for instance, there is a very real possibility of Greece leaving the EU at the moment. Its still hard to know what is worse though.

In my immediate environment I notice our strong position as well, the number of Ph.D students from countries like Spain, Greece and Italy coming to The Netherlands only increases, which seems obvious since they actually get paid here (and quite well too) for their research work, unlike in their home countries where they'd be lucky to even get paid something.

Also I notice an alarming number of British professionals moving to Germany and The Netherlands because the pay here is simply better than back in the UK.

The Netherlands is a great trading nation. It may be small but it knows how to make the most of its skills and resources.

The UK really has lost its way I think and maybe that's why so many Brits are going abroad. A lot of money was wasted by the last administration. The current coalition are not seeing eye to eye and in the meantime it feels as though we are constantly on shaky ground.

I read that if the PIGS leave the Euro then the whole currency would unravel and that would lead to a bigger mess at what is not a great time for more mess. IMO having a single currency is a wonderful idea in theory. It gets rid of the spectre of exchange risk and facilitates movement of goods and services, creates certainty etc.

Posted by Yossarian


Of course we will survive as other nations have, but not before falling very hard. This is not Europe, this is America, where our youth have lived very sheltered lives on the whole ( though not all) in any case, we are not ready for this.

As far as the puritanical streak, getting back to our founders morality is part of what the Tea Party is all about.

I have tended to see it as being Europeans who have led sheltered lives. The US doesn't have the same level of welfare cushioning and worker protection that we have here, if you fall there is a harder landing. It always seems to me that in the US the frontier culture still remains, as echoed in the word of Walt Whitman :

"We primeval forests felling,
We the rivers stemming, vexing we, and piercing deep the mines within;
We the surface broad surveying, we the virgin soil upheaving, Pioneers! O pioneers! "


I keep hearing about the Tea Party recently, but I thought everyone hated Sarah Palin?

As for the pop culture induced coma, I have a lot to say about that too. I could swear I was having debates on here a few years ago about that and American posters had a very different view then. Despite his unpopularity, Obama's election seems to have revolutionised American thinking and made people far more outward looking than they have been for decades.

Just realised that the end of my comment was cut off :

"I read that if the PIGS leave the Euro then the whole currency would unravel and that would lead to a bigger mess at what is not a great time for more mess. IMO having a single currency is a wonderful idea in theory. It gets rid of the spectre of exchange risk and facilitates movement of goods and services, creates certainty etc."

The next bit I wrote was that although the Euro is a wonderful idea in theory, they should have introduced in in incremental steps and waited for greater economic harmonisation before rolling it out to the extent they did.

Posted by Yossarian
There is the Tea Party and then there is Sarah Palin, the Tea party folks I know are fully aware of the dangers of counting on a quitter.

And I wish there were a little more than 'Taps',left of Walt's America. But the years of failing public education, deliberate misinformation, disintegration of the family unit and the general breakdown of morality, have left us with a disenfranchised youth, who have no idea who their predecessors were, or why it matters.

Perhaps the one good thing that comes out of all this is that there will be a move back to core values.

Posted by Yossarian


It's not about race, it's not about fear, it's not about money, it's about taking our country back period!

i like to hear words like that


Maybe the tea party is turning away ... but I've definitely seen what others have said about it being run by elite business men who play to the "family values" crowd's emotions. I hope people see through that BS.

One thing I like about Ron Paul vs. other politicians is this:

He says, "blah, blah, blah, blah, and I have a bill in the blah committee to address this issue" ...

while most career politicians say, "blah, blah, blah, and blah blah, blah blahhh, blah blah."

Ron Paul lets go 2012

I'm pretty sure the world will survive that though.

You run two enterprises, which means you've definitely had your fair share of good times, be grateful for that. If you'd had only bad times you wouldnt have them, right? Now I agree that it appears bad times are probably coming your way but are you really concerned you wont be able to ride them out succesfully? Dont lose perspective (and your cool) because of minutiae you have no control of. We all have to deal with illogical situations all the time, yet most of the times we come out of them better than we entered them, am I not right?

Posted by Yossarian
And by the way it all ripples outward. Trading nations need a trading partner and right now we are the biggest consumer on the planet. So you will feel it eventually if our state ( and others)do not make their financial recovery by standing up to the Fed and enacting laws to protect the dwindling middle class, and the small business owner.

It's clear to the world how much it ripples outwards. That's why the whole world is affected by the fallout from sub-prime etc.

But in the really long term everyone was going to be worse off with or without the economic meltdown. Cheap goods from China were never going to last forever, it was a temporary cycle until they started to put prices up as affluence and standard of living in China pushes cost of labour up.

Coupled with this you always had the impending environmental/energy crisis which nobody wants to think about right now. The after effects of the Tsunami in Japan now have far reaching repurcussions on the nuclear industry. Germany is closing all its nuclear reactors in the next ten or so years. You can only replace these with so much sustainable energy sources, the rest has to be filled with fossil fuels which will not exist after a certain point in time and prices will rise as they become increasingly scarce.

So IMO there are far more challenging times ahead for far different reasons than the US trade deficit or the credibility of the dollar. In the long term the way we live will have to change drastically whatever happens in the US.

@shaka

"Dont lose perspective (and your cool) because of minutiae you have no control of. We all have to deal with illogical situations all the time, yet most of the times we come out of them better than we entered them, am I not right?"

yes, you are "not" right.

We do have control, and it is time to exercise that control. It's surprising what people will do when you insist, are persistent, and expect them to comply. Those are the tactics being used by people in power and that's why they are in power. The time has long passed to turn the tables on them. No sir officer, I do not give you permission to search my car. Politicians will walk over anyone who allows it. Everyone needs to get their "rebel" on.


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Posted by jru2
@shaka

"Dont lose perspective (and your cool) because of minutiae you have no control of. We all have to deal with illogical situations all the time, yet most of the times we come out of them better than we entered them, am I not right?"

yes, you are "not" right.

We do have control, and it is time to exercise that control. It's surprising what people will do when you insist, are persistent, and expect them to comply. Those are the tactics being used by people in power and that's why they are in power. The time has long passed to turn the tables on them. No sir officer, I do not give you permission to search my car. Politicians will walk over anyone who allows it. Everyone needs to get their "rebel" on.

History keeps repeating itself; there might come times of huge riots/protests in the near future where more and more governments will be overthrown, no one is denying that. However that is no guarantee that what might come after that is any better than what we had before, since humans have proven time after time not being capable of learning anything from past experiences, there is little reason for me to believe there wont be similar injustices or corruption given a whole new political system. Therefore as I stressed to Yossarian, my words were meant as a personal reminder of the individual power we all have not to let outside factors ruin our own personal happiness and balance. That was my main point.

Posted by morningsb
"Germany is closing all its nuclear reactors in the next ten or so years."

Two things that surprised me when I heard about Japan:

1. japan has nuclear reactors? Seriously? It's a known earthquake prone area not to mention Tsunamis are common there too. heck, Tsunami is a japanese loan word. Why would they have nuclear power plants when they were safer off having anything but?

2. Why is Germany closing theirs when they are NOT an earthquake prone area?

Neither decisions make sense to me frankly. Maybe I don't know something in which case I would like to be enlightened.

Japan has shedloads of nuclear reactors I think they supply a large percentage of its energy needs. They have taken some account of the earthquakes in the design because they have had earthquakes for years. They just didn't anticipate something on this scale. Although based on my understanding I think they should have anticipated it. They had something similar sometime over a century ago. This is where using confidence intervals to make decisions just doesn't cut it. Just because something has only a 0.001% chance doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. The reactors with the problem should have been retired as they were relatively old and an outdated design. It seems like simple poor decision making. But I'm sure such decision making could happen anywhere.

In Germany this is going to be a vote winner. It was a golden opportunity for the anti nuclear environmental lobby to push for change. But it's totally pointless because they have France next door who also have a massive nuclear infrastructure and presumably no plans to replace it.

I think nuclear energy is totally safe if managed correctly. If anything this disaster will make it far safer than before. it's not really feasible to totally discount it at a time when there are no alternatives but dwindling fossil fuels and sustainable sources that do not make up the difference. There is someone trying to harness wave power and also the cold fusion theory has been pulled out of the broom cupboard by some scientists in italy who think they can make it work. In the meantime people will be fighting for remaining natural reserves or we will just have to think about being more economic with our use of energy including design. So rising gas prices should be a great business opportunity for innovation in

by the way forgot to mention that Japan has very little natural energy resources and it doesn't want to import. I'm not sure how well it gets on with its energy rich neighbours...

Posted by morningsb
oh okay. So germany's is more political than practical right? That's what I got from it.

or just very risk averse.

Posted by Let*It*Be
"I'm not old, however, I am wise and 22 year olds don't have a clue (yet) what's going on out there.

*clears throat* Ahem!

"Therefore as I stressed to Yossarian, my words were meant as a personal reminder of the individual power we all have not to let outside factors ruin our own personal happiness and balance. That was my main point."

--shaka

great point you've made ... hopefully people will go beyond that to take stands and insist on making the world better than it was when they got here though.


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