In Love With Virgo

Hi! I am a Cancerian female. I am going crazy. I have a severe crush on this virgo male who has big dreamy champagne colour eyes. he is 18 yrs younger than me! I think he also likes me, but like a typical virgoan always speaks about principles and avoids me most of the time. but when i too start ignoring him, he tries to draw my attention. i am confused, but hopelessly attracted to him.

Hi CB,
Thanx for your response. I have read all about ur terrible experience with ur virgo-ex. also the other virgo-ed memebers over here. what i deduce form all these opinions is that the virgos do get hooked on to cancerians forever. that is because cancerians- a majority of them are so safe and extremely sensuos in a subtle way. yes most cancerians are subtle and shy.
Yes i totally agree with u about the mental games of virgos. i ve a virgo female collegue who likes me a lot but plays vicious mental games with me as she is so intensely competitive and opinionated.
coming back to my virgo male, he too is very unpopular with his friends due to his lies and power games. but there is something about him which doesn't fail to impress people- male or female. i enjoy talking with him...he is total entertainment. his deep voice and champagne eyes has all my sexual juices flowing at an all time high. yes i must confess, it is lust that i feel. i am not interested in any long term relationship with him as i am not looking forward to it for 2 reasons- 1) he is 18 yrs younger than me.. 2) i dont want to deal with the complexity that he has to offer.
so my problem is this. i want that passionate relationship with him. but how to get around making him ask me out. he has not given me a clue about if he wants to go out with me alone. he is very attracted to me. it is all there in his tone which becomes softer when he talks with me and his eyes which either shine brighter on seeing me or turns expressionless.
he has mentioned to me that once an older female showed interest in him about 2 yrs ago and that shocked him. and since then he is avoiding intimacy with females.I have also noticed him getting jealous seeing me talking to other males. but at the same time he makes sure that he is not seen alone with me.
you think he does that becouse, though he feels attraction towards me, he is not interested in sex with me. or is it because what he feels for me is so strong that he prefers to hide it?
we ve known each other for 10 months now. and i know he has liked me right from the word go.
being a cancer female i am too shy and proud to take the initiative and plus if i do i dont want to be rejected. atleast if he gives some clear indication..that would encourage me in some way.
anybody there to help me out......

Hi CB!
you mean cancers are moth getting attracted to the virgo flame? I have always seen the opposite happening. I find the virgos getting very emotionally attached to cancerians, while the cancerians learning how to be detache dwhile virgos are on their mental trips.

"I find the Virgos getting very emotionally attached to Cancerians, while Cancerians learning how to be detached while Virgos are on their mental trips."

Our mental trips? This intrigues me. What type of mental treks do we be on while in relationships with Cancerians? Please elaborate?

Hi Virgosquared!
I didn't mean anything negative while using the word "mental trips". What i meant was the virgo's determined pursuit of their mental goals..which could be their research activities or concentration on their carrier.They are mentally very very active. They have the ability to put their emotions aside while pursuing their goals which many other sifns are not able to do. What I have observed is the cancerians with virgos learn how to pursue their goals by being practical...the virgos learn form cancer how to be mmoer trusting in letting go emotionally more often than they do.

correction
read carrier as career.

Hello Loonybird.

No, I didn't take "mental trips" as negative, I was earnestly curious. It can be difficult at times to convey sly wit and tone through writing. Especially when you don't know the other person. You'll find I'm extremely inquisitive by nature. I'm somewhat new to astrology, only being in it about a month or so. After I learned how to read my chart, I became interested, better yet, I am interested in how some Virgo traits are expressed in other Virgos. Essentially, all things Virgo. Personality, quirks, compatibility; especially the compatibility. Pisces for the polarity, the heart on the sleeve thing. Scorpios for the different similarities. I find this part infinitely interesting. I'm finding though that the question of compatibility is somewhat moot. People are people. They're complicated, well, most of us are anyway, and much more than just the traits of a certain sun sign . . . and this has absolutely nothing to do with this board.

Back to the subject, you're right. I can't speak for other Virgos, but I can be extremely single minded in immersing myself in something, unintentionally letting everything and everyone else fall away. It's like you come out the bat cave after a year or so, everyone's gone and everything's changed.

But no negativity taken with "mental trips," I love the post. Keep writing. I love hearing different perspectives from people who consider themselves archetypes of other zodiac signs.

VirgoSquared

One more thing.

You go get that Virgo girl! CancerBuddy is a bruised Crab, the jagged rocks he spit come from a deep gravel pit of hurt. His linguistic pouting is cool provided it makes him feel better, but his pain doesn't quite help you in the mission you looking to undertake. Which if I'm reading this correctly, is primarily gratification.

". . .yes i must confess, it is lust that i feel. i am not interested in any long term relationship with him as i am not looking forward to it for 2 reasons- 1) he is 18 yrs younger than me.. 2) i dont want to deal with the complexity that he has to offer . . . so my problem is this . . . i want that passionate relationship with him. . ."

Well, I'm just as much Virgo as anyone, so I can try to put myself in his place to impart a little insight. Now, I stress, people are different, so take whatever comes next with a grain so salt, but, here I go.

First. I would be flattered as hell. Even surprised. "I have this affect on someone. I'm not bad looking, but I'm no Billy Dee Williams." This my friend is Virgo insecurity. Now if he's as good as reading people as I am, he probably already knows what you're feeling, although he might be saying, "There's no way. I'm reading this wrong." to himself. Now this is the difficult part to write, because it involves what I'm realizing is a skill for subtle manipulation on my part, but not in a bad way. Stop laughing. I'm serious, it's not bad manipulation, it has to do with being good at reading people and testing that reading ability against reality. Even if I had picked up these vibes, I would try to find a way to confirm them before putting myself out there. It's figuring out something subtle to say or do to pull what I call "a tell" from them. Something they may do that accidentally, or intentionally for that matter, if they're just as cautious and astute as I am, that reveals what's on their mind. It could be as small as body language or depending on the forwardness of the personality, a grand gesture. My coworker's a hot blooded, normally tactless Aries female. On Halloween, she had attached a pair of cat ears and a tail to her outfit for that day. She was cute, and I told her. I'm not lavish with compliments, but I am genuine with them. They mean more when the person giving them is sincere. It was odd; for the next ten minutes or so she would run her hands through her thick maine of hair, poke her chest out (she did this a couple of times). This was new, she had never done this before. Her energy even felt different. Small stuff, but "tells." The compliment made her feel good, whether consciously or not, her insides were spilling out.

Okay, this is getting longer than I expected, but bear with me for a little while longer. Now, I understand your reluctance to put yourself out there, but if it was me? Two reluctant individuals doesn't a relationship make. We'd be moving at the speed of molasses. The extra thick kind. Rebuffs aren't cool. Rebuffs are kryptonite to Virgos. They're like orange to the Green Lantern when he's in a death trap. Without some kind of clue or confirmation of safety . . . put it this way. Some of the other more robust and resilient astrological signs could pull a Lethal Weapon or a Gunsmoke, kick the door down, going in guns ablazin, but this particular Virgo wants, no, needs, the building's layout. Floor plans, info on doors, windows, ventilation shafts, etc, etc. A fire exit. The escape hatch.
Don't get me wrong, I don't play games at all, but in the beginning, someone has to make the first move. The catch is after that first move, I'm pretty cool. I simply need to know where I stand at all times, especially when this glass and stone heart might be precariously perched.
Doing something sweet to show interest is cool. If he interested, that should work quite well. It gives him a free "tell" absent pressure. Fierce aggression is

Hi Virgosquared!
Thanx for your tips and insight into how a virgo might behave towards whom they are attracted to. I am sure about this Virgo's attraction towards me. To be very honest. I have never been the initiator. In all my relationships the guy has made the first move towards me. I am kinda traditional. I like being pursued and asked out and gently being seduced into a passionate relationship.
After reading your message I am convinced that my virgo crush is trying to be sure that i am attracted to him. Once he narrated an incident where a elderly married woman had made a pass at him. This was over 2 yrs ago.he says he was shocked and have been avoiding any intimacy with females. At that point i thought that he doesn't like aggressiveness and over the top sexiness form a female, plus he doesn't think it is proper for a older & married female to go for a younger man. he seem to be more conscious of her being older than him. he understood that it could be sexual frustration form her husband which is causing her to turn towards other males. But how come with a much younger guy? So this discouraged me.But after a couple of days he once again talked about htat incident and asked me"why would a older woman want to have an affair with me? why?" In all my innocence i told him," buddy you have a great personality,sexy eyes and sexy voice...plus you are sympathetic and attentive listner". Did he feel good? His champagne eyes lit up like a 1000 watts mercury bulb.He did mention that he has never ever come across that woman again after he turned her down. I didnt think much about htis conversation then. But your post today reminded me of this talk and i wonder if possibly he was trying to know what i think of him.And also in our last conversation he was trying to find out which male celebrities i find attractive. And also how much he respects women and hate men who abuse them. This was a weel ago. right now i am travelling.
Any Comments?

Hello Loonybird,

You bet I have a few comments. More than a few actually.

". . . after a couple of days he once again talked about that incident and asked me, "Why would an older woman want to have an affair with me? Why?" In all my innocence I told him, "Buddy you have a great personality, sexy eyes, and sexy voice. . .plus you are sympathetic and an attentive listner". Did he feel good?"

I bet he did feel good after that kiss on the ego. Just a sloppy, wet, unabashed slob down of his ego. Yeah, I think that Cat was looking for "a tell" and you definitely gave it to him. But this is good. Even if he wasn't looking for "a tell," you helped him out by giving him a window into you, which conversely helps your aim. You propped a sturdy wooden plank against him to sure up his ego. Good job.

Next. As always, when I give advice on Virgos, I stress what I'm about to say is "ME." If it's valid that Virgos are similar, maybe his response will be similar to mine, so in an effort to help, this double Virgo will assume his bearing and go from there.

Now, if I was him and was interested in progressing things, my mind would be irking the hell out of me. Stuck in cycling through endless scenarios of action and consequences trying to find the safest, meaning least personally exposing way, to get this show on the road. For instance . . . well, I guess the best way to explain is to let you eaves drop on internal dialogue.

"Next time I see her, I could inconspicuously mention I'm tired. I need a boost, I missed my cup of coffee this morning or, I could use a cup of coffee. A Vanilla soy milk latte. She responds. If she likes coffee, maybe I could bring her a cup. No, no that's stupid. Better yet, ask her to a coffee shop as friends. Hey, if you're not busy, I could use some company. Starbuck's is down the street. My treat? That's not bad. If rebuffed, it was just a friendly invite. What if she doesn't like coffee? Crap! Maybe she likes something else. Coffee shops sell more than coffee . . . no that reeks of desperation. If she doesn't like coffee, asking her out to a coffee shop will be too obvious. Hmmm. Hey. She's human. She has to eat. Next time I see her, I could mention I'm hungry. If she's interested in me, see wouldn't pass up a meal"

This internal rant would go on and on. You might think this is bad, but trust. As the Virgo goes further and further into the "Alice in Wonderland" of each scenario and splinter scenario, it get worse. A lot worse. Please don't judge us? 🙂

"Now if we catch a bite. I need to steer things into a deep conversation, figure her out. Parade the intellect. Okay, whatever she says, I'll take the opposite view. Well, I can't do that on everything, what if she . . . hey! I need to clean my room, what if things progress faster than I expect. Condoms. I need condoms just in case. Arrgh, I can't go to Walgreen. The pharmacist knows my Mom. That Dude's kind of shifty, he might screw me over. "Yeah, your perv of a son was in here this morning getting a pack of Rough Rider five thousands." That marker! All right, think it through. The local convenient stores are out, they're over priced and again, the people know me. I'll stop at the Walmart across town on my way back from doing my laundry. I should spiffy up the bathroom to, she'll probably want to shower before hand. One year, three months, and two and half days ago she said she liked the smell of Vanilla. I better pick some Vanilla scented shower gel from Bath and Body Works. Oh God, performance. What if I get performance anxiety? I'm a young buck, she has to be expecting a dynamo. Ginseng. I think I got some in the medicine chest. Gota Kola and yohimbee extract, the herb shop. What if the herb shop's out? They're not going to be out. I also need to brush up on my reading. All else fails, handcuffs. Handcuffs always do it f

Just to note. "That marker!" was originally written as that "A**hole!" Marker doesn't carry the same impact.

Thanx Virgosquared!
I love your posts. Now I must feed in sopme more info. When he was searching me questioning about his charm over that other older woman, he told me , he wanted to do some biz. As he was running short of working capital, he was thinking of doing soem job which would be more paying. He gave me two of his numbers and undersigned by him. Then after two days I called him and aske dhim if he woould like to accompany me to check a biz proposal. He was excited. We met up the next day and went to check out that biz. Ofcourse he was concentrating more on directions. Now once we reached the venue we waited for the seminar to begin. we were given some forms to fill up. Then the co-ordinator aske dus to return the form. My sweetheart Virgo turned at me took the card form my hand in such a manner that his finger very lightly touched my palm. See to an onlooker it would seem as if he is taking hte card from me taking care that he doesn't touch me, but his ring finger extended unnaturally and touched me.Only i could tell what he did. I am sure you can visualise the scene. But I still brushed this episode aside.
Then while we were parting, waiting for bus to arrive to carry us to our respective homes, i asked him if he could travel in my bus so htat we can continue discussing the feasibility of the biz. He refused saying that if he gets down midway, it would be a bit inconvenient for him. Then i offered to travel with him, he again said it was not a good idea, since it would be packed. And gave me a searching look. I couldn't meet his eyes. Then he aske dme when are we going fo rhte next biz meeting , i said let us go after we go for htat picnic with our other friends. He agreed and said he was particularly be eager to go with friends to the amusement park.
Now the outing with the friends was postponed. So i calle dhim up and told him that look the outing has been postponed so let us go to the next session of the biz seminar. He said he would confirm on that in the evening. He calle dme promptly in the evening and told me that he cannot make it for two reasons: 1) he has certain obligations & 2) he wants to think properly about the feasibility of this biz.
three days after that i left town and am on tour right now. So you see once agin i am confused. On one hand he showed some definite signs of trying to get close. and frankly I have thrown opportunities at him of coming with me alone. He refuses the opportunity. That made me rethink that even if he wants to rethink about the feasibility of the biz, if he wanted our relationship to go any further he would have accompanied me and planne dout something. It would have definitely been a step further. That's the reason I am confused about him. Any Comments?

I cannot help but jump in here Loonybird to offer my suggestions...I know that Virgo man will also respond and offer his persective which is always "spot on". What I know and have learned about men is that they need to make the first move...most of them do not like to be chased. They are natural hunters and have a strong desire to go after their prize...a challenge is a must for them whether they think so or not...if not now in their life, it will be. Please pull back and let him make the moves if he so desires...you are not responsible for offering him opportunites...he already knows you are interested in him. You are making it way tooooooo easy for him. Detach, be interested in YOU. It means so much more to a man when he spots a woman and for some reason or another she stirs something in him....his automatic inate hunting juices have just been awakened...the challenge begins. Think of the animals in the wild....who wants an easy prey? The fun is in thinking of ways to capture her...and when he does - after going through so much he will cherish his prize and continue so. He is sending you signals...his actions are telling you to pull back. NO more phone calls to him...I think when women take the initiative they are unconsiously sending the male signals that the male resents as he wants to use his manly power to aquire. Just my thoughts.....

Virgosquared....take is away...🙂

Hi Freebird,
I didn't understand your last comment
"Virgosquared....take is away..."

Thanx for your views. Guess I didn't realise that I maybe coming on a bit strong on that guy. I thought by offering him to go to biz seminar, I was being very subtle. Well yes as even virgosquared has put it I have a "friens only" approach to him...and that my beloved virgo is already aware of my interest in me.

🙂I am awaiting Virgosquare's comment on my last post(of Nov 9th).🙂

Hello Loonybird and Freebird, and everyone else for that matter.

Take it away VirgoSquared lol. Okay. You (Freebird) think I?m "spot on?" Thank you. I'm not saying anything special, I'm just switching places and conveying how'd I?d respond. The perspective could be worthless, especially if the person doesn't express the Virgoan tendencies the way I do. Still, the sentiment's appreciated. I'm actually kind of blushing here. Thank you.

That being said, we Virgos aren't this complicated are we? "Come closer. No, go away. Hey. You're leaving? Where are you going?" said the Virgo. That's not clear to you all?

Freebird, I think you're on to something. You know, like in my last post, my methods were subtle, but I was still playing the role of aggressor. The silent hunter behind the scenes. The thinking, what can I say to get her to a coffee shop, to dinner, to the place where all the magic happens. This is action oriented thought, manipulative, agreed; but action nonetheless. In the words of Counting Crows, "We can't all be cowboys. Some of us, are, clowns."

You got to find out what he wants. What's on his mind. Think of something that'll pull "a tell." Even still, you're kind of in a tough spot. If you back off too much, he may see you as unattainable. If you're too aggressive, you may freak him out. I wonder if the age difference is giving him pause here. From the side of the chess board, I can hear my inner Neanderthal yell out, "That Dude's crazy! If I was him! I'd go capture that vivacious Cancerian from the wild, and drag her to my tent." Like Freebird said, there's a natural hunter in every man. Now, this folks, is male bravado. Lion skins aren't flattering on men. Also, I'm sure the Richmond PD will have take serious issue with me dragging someone down Laburnum Avenue. In saying this though, from a guy's perspective. A woman as the predator isn't a bad thing. Personally, I think I'm cool with either role. Hey, truth be told, being prey could be fun.

Back to the subject. Maybe he's stuck in an analysis loop. The age difference is incentive, but it's also intimidating. He's just starting his life, you're established. The physical isn't the only factor here. Not that this is a game, but you'd be going in this with a substantial advantage. Hey! Here's a thought. Feelings are rarely clear cut. With me, my head and heart can get into some bitter brawls. Kicking and spitting like six graders, little Suzy and Becky, fighting over the affections of flag football quarterback, John Buckney (I don't know, its 2:15 AM here). The heart will blush, clasp its hands together and say, "She's amazing. She beautiful, intelligent; you've connected with her. She digs you. Go to her." The head will push it's reading glasses on his face in smugness and say, "No. She's eighteen years older. You're just a boy toy. Gratification ruins friendships. You'll end up losing her completely. This, that, and the other (Seinfeld reference)." See, in Virgo, the head plays dirty; kicking up self doubt, worry, what ifs and how abouts. I think the heart's best chance is to win in the moment. I also think what you're seeing in his behavior, this push and pull, is an internal civil war. The Head's minions versus the Heart's purist. For instance,

"My sweetheart Virgo turned to me, took the card from my hand in such a manner that his finger very lightly touched my palm. See to an onlooker. it would seem as if he is taking the card from me taking care he doesn't touch me, but his ring finger extended unnaturally and touched me. Only I could tell what he did."

Now if your perception was reality, the heart won this battle of the moment. He couldn't resist the opportunity to touch you.

"Then he asked me when are we going for the next business meeting . . . so I called him up . . . let us go to the next session of the business seminar. .

Hi Virgosquared!
You have offered me more with pefectly miming a typical virgo tug-of-war between heart and head. You know ur today's posting does has a resemblance with my beloved virgo. I could clearly visualise his face and expressions. And now that eh wont receive any calls form me, he will blame it on himself...for turnign down my invitation. And will feel .. "sbutter i screwed up on this"..... see before he backed out form the seminar i was totally comfortable with him. Now suddenly the distance..he will understand .. well let me just wait and watch.

Hello LoonyBird,

Glad to help. Any insight I can impart is yours. Also, be sure to keep us apprised of any new developments. Our eyes are ears and their wide open. Listening. At least I am. Especially now with your calculated risk of pulling back. Let me be the first to say, "You go girl!" (I haven't been to bed yet so I'm somewhat loopy, but I want to get this out). You assert your subtle emotional black mail LOL. Virgos aren't the only ones that can swing that bat. I will say one thing though. You want this guy, remember that. The whole point is to draw him to you. You don't want to seem so distant as for your remoteness to be interpreted as a rebuff or an untouchability. Where as he could normally reach out and grab that glass of Mountain Dew. The ideal tactic is to move that ice cold glass of refreshing Mountain Dew just a few inches away. Just out of his normal reach. Close enough to still be within sight, to still look tempting and refreshing, but far enough away where he can no longer stretch out his might to grab it. You don't want to be obvious, you just want him to notice a subtle difference in temperament. If he's good at reading you, he'll pick up on it. It's human nature to appreciate things more when they're not readily available. Especially when they were there initially.

A fine line, sure, but doable. Just make sure you stay astute enough to make adjustments on the fly. You know, sometimes bringing him closer, other times being more remote. You . . . oh God. I hate saying this; I can't even believe I'm thinking it. (A deep breath and my head falling in utter shame) Mimic his push and pull. Screw with his head. Forgive me fellow Virgos. Let situation dictate action. I don't know how similar me and this guy are, but the ultimate situation for you would be for him to come to you in private and ask, "Did I do something wrong?" or "Is everything all right?" Which if I saw us as being close friends, I would definitely be compelled to do. Friends are rare, I don't like to lose them from something I may have done. I would rather talk it out, especially in a relationship like yours where there maybe an attraction and I'm on the fence as to what I want to do. You never want to hurt someone you care about and options are always good. My mind would be inundated with questions. "What's wrong with her? She seems distant. Not as cheerful. Maybe I did something wrong. Maybe I overlooked a special day or something. I need a 'tell'."

Don't give it to him. Reveal nothing. As I see it, you take the dominant position by making him be up front. No word manipulation to feel you out, you want him to be as straightforward as possible so you can respond in kind. After all, if he asks, "What's wrong?" He has to prepared for a direct answer. Now, if he's anything like me. More than likely, he would've gone through a serious deal of potential dialogue. "I say this, then she says that, and I respond," stuff like that, but in the end, your replies will be distilled down to whether I'm the problem, or some background matter. Hungry, tired, feeling bad, things like that. If it's a background matter, no harm no foul. If it's me . . .what did I do and how do I make nice? How you answer that, "Is something wrong?" is on you. You probably know him well enough to know how far you can push his comfort thresh hold, and this kind of goes to temperament. An aggressive female, maybe an Aries. Well, this wouldn't be a post if this was an Aries. She would've jumped the poor hapless Virgo in the parking lot. LOL Kidding. Kidding (kind of). But, point is, an aggressive approach would be a sweet unambiguous action. A kiss on the cheek, on the forehead, but this takes huge cahones. The catch is it could work. Depends on the guy. A more subtle approach would be to use the "What's wrong?" as a way to open earnest dialogue. The guy goes first.

"Is somethi

Hey Some Progress!
Guess what? Mr. Virgo has called me twice within last 18 hrs from Singapore and wants to go out with me for lunch or dinner- whatever suits me, once i am back in s'pore. He said he missed me terribly and since I have been away for ten days, he requires some more time to discuss issues of his life with me! And hence the invitation for a luncheon/dinner.
Right now I am cultivating myself in remaining just as before when I meet him next..i.e. a friend who gives a good ear to his heart pouring... and not look starry eyed. As a gift I am taking for him a book on "Vedic Mathematics" (he is doing his MBA in Accounts) & "Ayurveda"(he is obssessed with health issues).
So guys let's see what happens !!! All you guys over here(specially virgosquared) guide me!!! I have not stopped smiling from ear to ear since I last spoke to him.
PS: I have posted this on cancer message board as well.

Hey VirgoSquared,

You just rock! the views that your posting just makes me think and its hard to make Ariens think 🙂 they just act.

I liked reading your comments while analysing my relation.... just wonder why you guys think so much... Just to inform you My Virgo guy called me last friday left a voice mail for me wishing me on a festival... also said that he will call me over the weekend. Had i been my normal Ariens i would hae just called him back .... would not have waited .... but this time im hurt by his behaviour... so i just waited for him to call back. Which he didnt .... Just wondering what must be going through his mind, should i call him up, or wait for him to com back ask what the problem is ( a quick brief ... he has been avoiding me offlate, last when we spoke he said we should stop communicating ...i called him a couple of times but he just ignored)

His this tendency to come close yet not reachable makes me curious. I have commited a mistake one am very scared to call him again.. i am a very emotional person and when i show my emotions i do it completely... and when im cold i can really distant myself away...i think him to be a good friend and dont like loosing friends.. but just dont understand what his action means...does he want to cutoff .. or does he want this relation...boy he confuses me 🙂

Anyway what do you think virgosquared... will he call me back again ... or me not calling him will distant him from me for ever ....

Reka

Hi Reka,

glad to be of some help. Kisses on this fragile ego are always appreciated.
Ommm, my advice, if that's what you want to call it, more like ramblings, is always based on me trying to get in the other person's head. Whether he'll call back or not; my arms are a little short for that one.

I don't know either of you, but I think there are a few bits of info that are significant, but they lead to only potentials. He said you two should stop communicating. If he brought it up, it's on his mind. On the good side, he did bring it up. He didn't just take coat and scarf without leaving a note. I wouldn't think he has commited one way or the other. It's back to heads and hearts, the head thinking it's time to "get gone" the heart, caring, digging it's fingernails in earth. I don't know, it's speculation, but it could explain the perceived push and pull. For me, the head wins at distance, the heart wins in the moment.

As for the call saying he was going to call during the weekend. Baby it's Monday. 🙂 The weekend was like yesterday. Of course this is coming from the detached fingers at the other end of your screen. When you're in it. . .I can see you getting pissed at the phone. "RING! RING! RING GOD DA**IT! Stupid phone!" Absence of a loved one, that sense of loneliness and/or rejection is a falling bomb. Infuriating. Still, there's no way to know what happened. He could be looking for a tell, trying to gauge your reaction (With your feeling involved, this would be calculating, and forgive me, but this guy would be an a**hole if he did this). He could be deciding, heads versus hearts again, or, something could've just came up. Life happens. It's hard to know what's going on. With this lack of information, I think I'd just wait. Let him call. Now, before you spit an explicative at me, trust me. I know how hard this is. With a moon in Aries, I dig you on this one. I so feel you on this. My patience isn't that great with a lot of things, this would be one of them. When I want to know something, I want to know it, now. If something has to be done, especially when it relates to me, it should be done, now. If there's a problem, it has to be fixed, now. If there's a needed response, I want it now. At the same time, I know that's not very practical. Life doesn't work that way, and sometimes for the best. Most things, especially when they're important, require forethought.

On a side note. This guy has such a dominant place in this relationship. I mean, reading your post, it feels like he's your oxygen. I can't be sure, but I'm going to go out on the sternest limb here and say he's not. It's like you've lost yourself in him. You love him. Love rocks. Humans are sociable, to give and receive love is like a basic need. At our core, I believe everyone wants to be understood by another, to be completely explored internally and known by another person, and as a wise stranger I recently met said, to be loved unconditionally for the person they find. To be accepted for who they are. So I dig your need for his love, but if every time you two meet, you're arguing. If it's not working . . .okay. This is all I mean. If he wants to go, your innate womanly powers, vast as they maybe, can't change his mind. You don't hold sway over what he wants for himself. You could pull a Scorpio and stalk him (laughing), but what's the point? If he calls and you two get back together, forever, GREAT. I actually hope this potential wins. If he calls, you two get back together, but break up a year later. Depending on what you want, it may not be great, but it is what it is. If he doesn't call ever again, then he just doesn't call ever again. Hurt is a bi**h. Time is pretty good at tying up loose ends, but time likes to take his own good time. Outside some extreme velocity or gravity, a minute is a minute, a week a week. The aggressive angle wasn't working, so in this situation you're pretty much relegated to playing wait and

Hi Everyone!
here's the latest on my Virgo beloved. As I posted earlier i was in India. I didn't hear form him for a few days. Then suddnely he calls up twice in matter of i think in 18 hrs. I sort of accepted his invitation fo rlunch/dinner nut sounded very vague about his idea to meet earlier to "discuss the venue". He was there to pick me up at the airport. Later joined my family for a cup of coffee and somehow landed up to join me for my usual evening walk! While taking a walk with him i spit venom about one of his close friend whom i think to be an A*****e. He left in a hurry promising me to call today at 6pm. He didn't call and I started getting ulcers about him getting pissed of about my eloquent dialogue about his dear friend. I thought that oh this virgo may now get distant oh oh oh silly me. why I couldn't keep my negative side under control.
And as I was helping my child ot go to bed, the phone rang and it was him! He was most apologetic fo rnot calling earlier as he was attending a high powered meeting regarding a cultural event that he was organising. He was very warm and invited em along with my children to the event.
Well one thing I learned from this once agian is how waiting becomes a sweet-torturous killer when you are in love!
And "not to drop to conclusions, or else the conclusions could drop on you".
Have Fun all of you out there!
loonybird.

Hi Everybody!
I have surprised myself! Remeber all of you my screaming at top of my head and declaring my passion for the champagne eyes, deep voice Mr Virgo? well to my utter surprise i am now indifferent to him. from top two days his champagne eyes look like stale choclate and his deep voice sound like he could do with some gargling.
So it is all dying out before it even started!!!
What Ya say to that——?

crazy crazy
loonybird.

How quickly they turn on us.

Hey Virgosquared! what you mean by that? whom is it directed at—?

LoonyBird,

calm down. Take a deep breath. (Laughing) It's not directed at anyone, it was just the first thing that came to mind when I read your post. 🙂 It was meant to be funny.

". . .indifferent to him. from top two days his champagne eyes look like STALE CHOCOLATE and his deep voice sound like he could do with some GARGLING."

"stale chocolate" and "he could do with some gargling," oh the pain. The fierce betrayal! Where does one go when our staunchest ally has turned on us? When secret service abandons their post (laughing)?

The pink carnation in her hair concealed her might. The vivacious crab's knife glistened as a pristine sleeping lake struck by the sun as she gently unsheathed it from her black pumpkin form purse. Like lightning through the sky it streaked, becoming ghost in the hapless Virgin's modest spine. Bewildered, he crumbles as a snow man of powdered sugar. A tear, for him an ocean, from his now stale chocolate eye, crimson life dripping from his lips, his once robust voice a mouse; his last breath drizzles, "Y tu, Lonny? Y tu Ma'am!—" (Laughing) "Y tu" is a Julius Caesar reference, it means "and you?"

Yes, my imagination is the 400lb Gorilla. Loony, your last post might have just been one line, but it seems so frantic. Like, "Why VirgoSquared!? Whyyyy!!!?" My comment was meant in humor. It was literally the first thing I thought of when I read your recant. Its direction was aimless, a stray thought; a comet in space. Touchy touchy. 🙂 I know you haven't given up on us. Come on. Chastise "Thinking the Worse" and send him pouting to the corner. 🙂 I told you that guy's an a**hole. (Laughing).

Relax,

VirgoSquared

Hey Virgosquared buddy!
I was expecting something real sharp and humorous reply from you in response to my last one liner post.but man you go way above my expectation.
let me add some more.
and while virgo lay there saying Y TU Loony, Y TU Ma'am...with his hand trying to reach to touch his lovely loony ladylove, a tear from him for the first time revealed to her the ocean of love he carried for her in his bleeding heart. Out poured loony's tide of emotions. She rushed to virgo's trembling form and knelt beside him with her tears rolling down her cheeks and falling on his lips, as if giving him a magical potion which would turn the stale choclate into champagne eyes once more..to glow her heart into smoldering passion and unconditional love. As she see's him struggling to breathe, the loony turns her arms to heaven and let's out a cry oh heavens ! oh heavens undo my innocent wrath. Bring my beloved virgo to perfect health back..so that we can both sail down in our love boat together singing the lyrics of love together, as visualised by the love sign of Linda Goodman!
sob... sob... sob...
kleenex please
longing for her virgo
Ms Diana- the loony

Hey loony:-) how you doin' you luny tune:-)

What a turn for the books.......from champagne eyes to stale choc!!! From ecstatic passion to plain indifference!!! Minds and hearts are for a-changing but in two friggin day:-)!!!You hereby are given the world record by the Duncan Gang:-)

It's easy peasy for me to see why really you are feeling this way....forbid me something and it's that which I desire:-) as some well known guy once said!!

Up to now you have been doing most of the running and yearning....hatching the schemes, manufacturing the meetings...now hey ho!! it's him that's calling you, phoning, meeting you for walks etc., apologizing for not calling......the tables have turned and when they do in the beginning the attractiveness subsides (for a while at least!!!) The hunter now becomes the huntee...the chase is better than the kill:-)

Me thinketh that once this guy backs off a bit and you don't get so many nice phonecalls etc. etc. and get to see him in person....that once again, he'll appear dam attractive again and the chase will be on!!!!:-)

I may be totally off the mark........

Anyway Loony...keep us posted:-)

A x

Hi Alana & the Duncan Gang!
Thanx for the title of a record breaker. Virgosquared joked about me doing a brutus to the virgos. 🙂) I am still very much there holding on tightly to the secret service post ready to brave all the arrows targeted at them.
Your reflection does carry some meaning and sounds very logical. But I am trying ot behae in logical manner, but I am not. I am actually using Defense Mechanism to prevent any possible hurt. I have created an insulator around me where I have programmed myself to be passive incase things dont turn out hte way I want to. All this is due to certian relationship modalities between me and Mr Virgo. Ours is not a conventional kind of pairing.That's what makes it more exciting and scary at the same time.
Se ethe situation is such which doesn't allow me ot make the firs tmove. It has to be upto him to atleast arrange a rendevous where it is only him and me..then rest i can take care of. You can say that my current cool of is due to this continuos practise of "insulation" and sort of developing this attitude"hey what the hell!" That warmth that he exudes still is something i will need as long as it is there. and by reading your post looks like Mr Virgo will be atleast my friend for ever. So there is a sense of satisfaction in that. Like I am just trining my mind ot be content with that. As I have explained else where I do have certian priorities which help me to come out of depression/frustration quiet fast. So I am not worried about getting hurt.
This beloved Virgo, is actually a nice person. I can read in his eyes his concern for people and how he truly tries ot understand others. So i am very happy with the thought that we are great friends.
loonybird

Hi Cancerbuddy!
How are you? and where are you nowadays? I have some news for you. I have completely decided to give up my pursuit of Mr Virgo that i so enthusiastically talked about a month ago. No not his fault really. Actually never got a chance to discover if he is one of those a******s. He is too confused and I am that one who loves to be chased. That was the problem. How is your love life going?
take care
loonybird

Loonybird, that is exactly what happens when someone follows another. They think that we are chasing that guy / girl. That happened to me this week also. My best friend knows that I like her a lot, but she keeps telling me that I am just another friend. Cmon' I said 🙂. But it is very true. People want to be chased. Many people must have liked my friend too, but she is chasing another guy. What a funny situation.

Funny how we want what we cannot have or have yet....😉 Sort of reminds me of when we would take a trip to the neighborhood amusement park...we wanted so bad to play the games so that we could win those "so cheap" prizes. It really wasn't about the prize itself but the "chase" of aquiring it - that is what our body seems to respond to...what a rush!!! perhaps we are then to "feel" the power within?

I am going to pretend to be "wonder-woman" for the rest of the day!

Hi Rajpillai,
thanx for your reflections and sharing about your Gf. In my case the situation is very peculiar. So there is lot of push and pull drama out here. Now after behaving very strangely for past few days, he called up and told me that he would be interested to do my handwrting analysis. so it so happens that when i think this particualr train will not stop at my love station, there he comes hooting. but we never got around to dating. So after a long wait I have decided not toexpect anything out of him. Just be comfortable with the friendship that eh is offering. But it will be definitely interesting to see him analysing my handwritng. I threw a challenge at him. I told him that he may not have the guts to tell me about hidden aspects of my personality. to which he replied,"Meet me at the field".
Hi there freebird. I thought you were involved with a virgo.correct em if i am wrong. but just read ont he Aries message board that you are now dating an Aries. the Aries man sure is a dynamo. Great going Freebird.
loonybird

Hi Loonybird,

No, I am not dating a Virgo...I do however have a wonderful Virgo pal that I "hang" with. I am not dating an Aries at the moment. I have recently connected with an Aries man that I dated way back in HS. He contacted me a few weeks back and we have been emailing quite a bit. He brought up all these things that we used to do together and to tell you the truth - I had not remembered them. Ooooops! What he remembers the most was the kissing and getting caught by my dad but.....I did not let that stop me...hmmmm must have been some mighty good kissin going on there I say! It really is fun to reconnect with friends from the past and especially to see how much we each have grown. When I speak with him it is like I am talking with myself...I have not felt that feeling in a very long time. Wish he lived closer so that we could meet - for now, sharing words is wonderful.

Sorry about the mix-up Loony...maybe my Aries thoughts are flying all over the place....

hope all is well 🙂

Hi Freebird,
Thanx for clearing the air.(laughing). All's well with me. I can have low moments but being loony and a bird I soar high and fly in search of magnificence. Be it any aspect of life.i always get it. they say, "happiness favors those who aspire and reach out for it". Cheers!
loonybird

Howdy Y'all,
This loonybird. I have a new id with a minor change. the loonybird was a spelling mistake. I couldn't accept it anymore. So here I am looneybird a.k.a loonybird.;P

Hi Looneybird,

Like your new name. Tell us more about your handwriting analysis. Was he able to analyze it properly and show some progress 😉 Trust me, the train will stop at your love station.

One theory I strongly believe is: You Get What You Expect. So, expect the best and you will see the result very soon. Because your actions will be towadrs that best and people will respond in that direction.

Freebird, what is happening with your HS buddy? Keep us posted. I don't blame you for not remembering little things which he remembers. But, it shows how close he was or how much he values those thoughts. Hopefully, you can talk to him more often and may be a get together in one of those beautiful Carolina beaches.

Life is all good...as long as you approach things in a positive way 😏

Raj

Hi Raj~

Absolutely...LIFE IS GOOD and perfect in each moment. My HS buddy? Well now...he has been emailing me quite a bit...has called me a couple of times...has already made arrangements to come to NC to visit in Feb. He called me a week ago and informed me that he and his wife are most likely going to separate...he knows and she knows that their relationship is just not working. Okay..now this presents a whole new light for me. I am glad that he lives away from me at this time. I am not signing up for the "rebound girl" class. I am truly very sorry that he is going through what he is but I feel strongly that those issues need to be resolved before I enter into his world. Friends reconnecting is "swell" for me right now...I'll hang back and see what happens. My life continues on my pals....with getting to know a Russian Aquarian, a New York Gemini and a nut in a Santa suit!

I agree with you Raj...he remembers because we were close - he was very special to me and still is. He said he will call again after the holidays. Yes, approach things postively and that is what you will receive.

I feel very positive about paying my bills now so I must go and do so....

Hi Raj,
Thanx. The handwritng analysis is still on hold. We were both occupied in our respective lives. Besides it is x'mas time here- vacation ahs began. I will be meeting him only after the New Year. I will kepe you updated on that.
Looney

Free and Looney Birds,

So nice to read your postings. Freebird, as your name suggests, you want to be free (at least for sometime...). That's is perfectly fine. You definitely do not want to be a rebound girl...Let us see after couple of meetings and phone conversation, what this gentleman turns into (hopefully not a nut in a santa suit) 🙂

I was busy with a project roll out here...Holidays are almost here and not done with the shopping and went to mall yesterday to get something for my wife. After wandering around for an hour, got some perfume set. Need to get something more.

Happy Holidays to you both.

Raj

Hi Raj,
Thanx for the Wishes. Wishing You the Same.
looney