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Do you think it's possible to have more than "one true love"? I've heard some say two, three tops, but I'm not buying.

I've often read that Virgos are only interested in true love. I am.

What does the term even mean? To you anyway.

The person you're with now, do you consider them to be your TL? Why? If not, did he/she 'get away'? Is there a particular sign you think you could find true love with because of your 'unique' connection to them?
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True love to me means that I will love this person despite every little thing that could make me not love that person. In the movie Juno, Juno questioned whether it possible for two people to actually be together forever. Her father said this after some discussion:

"Look, in my opinion, the best thing you can do is find a person who loves you for exactly what you are. Good mood, bad mood, ugly, pretty, handsome, what have you, the right person is still going to think the sun shines out your ass. That's the kind of person that's worth sticking with. "

I found this to be very true. I think to truly love someone, you have to, for once, stop thinking of yourself;and I think it goes along with what LV said; when you're confident in who you are, you don't need anything else from that person to fill you. That person has done so much, you have grown, and all you want to is to care. When you love someone and it is returned, everything you do in that relationship will be for the betterment of that other person or the couple as a whole. No matter what, that person is going to be everything you have always expected that person to be, and very little will change it.

Not to say that all loves will last until eternity. I believe that until you find someone who is willing to settle, you will encounter more than one, and all they shall do is come into your life and change something about you or help you realize something that will set you for life as you grow. While this sounds despairing, if you truly loved that person, you'll never stop even after you've managed to let go and move on. Just because a love doesn't stick around doesn't mean it wasn't there.

I do believe that I have loved before, and I believe it has been twice. Each being a bit different from the other. I just remember thinking that "like" felt too simple and untrue when describing the person; I felt that I couldn't think about the person as just someone I was dating, but simply someone who had changed me in a way that no one else had. It's like I wasn't afraid to be with that person no matter what could happen to us. And even when things ended, even after I had to heal, I look back and I still can't think of a thing that I disliked about them. They reserve a very special, special place in my heart. And I do believe that it's possible to love more than one person, but no love is like the last.
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I want realistic love. Not fairy tale love. Someone there when the poo is rising fast and hard, right there. Someone to snark with, bounce ideas off of, walk in on the bathroom with ( oh hey, nice that, been working on that a while? Let me guess..Chanel. )spoon with, fight with. Yep, and still there at the end of the day.
You can love many in the context of being a giving human being in general. But that ONE love is just that. That's the person standing strong for you. The one you fall in love with..back out of love with..back in again. And still standing.
"Hey baby, could have cheerfully crammed a sock down your throat last night, but guess what? Still love you. Chops or meatloaf?"
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I want realistic love. Not fairy tale love. Someone there when the poo is rising fast and hard, right there. Someone to snark with, bounce ideas off of, walk in on the bathroom with ( oh hey, nice that, been working on that a while? Let me guess..Chanel. )spoon with, fight with. Yep, and still there at the end of the day.
You can love many in the context of being a giving human being in general. But that ONE love is just that. That's the person standing strong for you. The one you fall in love with..back out of love with..back in again. And still standing.
"Hey baby, could have cheerfully crammed a sock down your throat last night, but guess what? Still love you. Chops or meatloaf?"



LOL...that's an aries moon kind of love right there.

LOVE IT 🙂
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Sure is! LOL 🙂
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I think it is possible to have more than one true love. Each person you meet is different in so many ways...physical, mental, emotional, hormonal. You are going to have a different reaction to each one.

Think of neurotransmitters. You have receptors in your brain that totally mesh with one kind of stimuli...and other receptors for other stimuli.

So you meet one person who you totally mesh with because he/she matches your receptors in certain areas. But that doesn't mean there aren't more people out there with the matching stimuli for other receptors.

People aren't that simple. What makes someone your one true love is that you make a conscious effort to dampen down your receptivity to other stimuli.

But every person is on a continuum. Some may be more able than others to 'accept' different stimuli after the end of a relationship.
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Posted by 25thDecan
I say no. For whatever reason, you or I may be meant to love one, part, and then love another. But be able to love and be loved fully. Letting go really doesn't hurt when you finally do it. And it's even possible to be in love together with someone from whom you parted before. If anything, I truly believe that love is also a perfect imperfection of emotion. Don't stop it. Savor it when you have it.



I still deeply love my 1st husband. And he still loves me. There were just too many issues (he had drinking problems)for me to survive that relationship intact, and I had to end it or be pulled under with him. But the underlying feelings and connection that made us get together in the first place never changed.

I'd never want to get back together with him, even if he had sorted out his mess properly. I'm different now. But those feelings are still there, even though I have been able to be deeply in love with someone else since. It doesn't negate or diminish the love for either person.

I don't know if I'd be able to love 2 people at the saem time in that way though. I love certain of my friends as deeply as I love my partner, but it's sort of like a different 'flavor'. If that makes any sense 😛
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@ Legendary - you are right. I think true love can only be obtained once you have learned to love yourself completely.

@ Candeh - I really do think that true love is also about learning from the other individual. When you make eachother grow.

@ Cg - You've already had more than one true love, mate? If you don't mind me asking, were they with virgals?

@ 69 - I agree with you. I do still only believe that the heart is truly only for one but maybe that's just me.

@ VB - Oh we're so >here< but again we're of the earth element so everything has to be realistic for us and someone to share just about everything with is what I'm after.

@ Kali - Yes! True love transcends the physical. It's almost like being able to read your love like a book. Accepting them just the way they are all the while helping them to grow and be better is definitely what it's about.

@ sweethearts - sorry to hear about your love and I do agree that love can be found again but just don't know if on the same level.
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Posted by venusianbull
Yessssss. A partner, a lover, a dear friend. Someone fighting hard at my side. Loving just as hard. Agree with the sharing. No secrets, all of it on the table. A confidante. The one you can bring everything too.



Oh but for true.

Also, I like to ground people and hold 'em down (we're earth so it's naturally what we do) and I want someone who can do the same for me.
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@ aquilascorpiasfemina - Oh get out of my head. True love is a love like no other. It's greater than you and the other person. The universe definitely had a hand in bringing you two together and the stars aligned. Maybe I sound too hokey pokey but, that's just the way I see it. If everyone manages to find their true love within their life time, I don't think there can be room for another. At least not in the same way.

@ sorti - that wig thing is so distracting I can barely concentrate. Take it off! LOL!

@ sandyclaws - very interesting angle. I didn't think about it that way but what about when you meet that person that matches all of your receptors and then others who only mesh with some?

@ 25thD - I feel you and I do believe that if you make a conscious decision to let go, you can make room for another love but will it be the same? Maybe for some yes and maybe for others no. I guess it all depends on the individual.
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What was it?



let me ask you first:
where does your curious side come from ?

Let's see now...well, you posted something in my thread to which another poster was quite amused so I want to know too.

back on topic:

I really hate to mention this, but I had found mine (TL).
she was kind of a lost soul.

Sorry about that.

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I just told my Taurus guy something I've never told another guy before: "I love you".

I knew he felt the same (we've known each other for about 6 years now, and have struggled with our feelings for each other) so I had absolutely no worries about the whole "tell a Taurean you love them, and they'll go a runnin' for the hills". No such thing, in this case--in fact, he's been unusually close to me for the past few days since I've said it.

I do love him. Very, very much. He was there for me way back when--before my life got back on track, when I was lost and lonely. He's adorable, funny, my type of sarcastic, gentle but rough, and incredibly passionate--the type you'd never know until the doors closed, and you were alone, and you found your wrists pinned to the bed, and were having out-of-body experiences. I'd marry him if I could, we'd make a perfect couple. But yeah, circumstances keeping us from being together, yada yada yada.

Anyways, as much as I love him...I have to admit that I'm still IN love with that Pisces that I fear I'll never see again. A whole f'n year has passed, and I can't believe he's still in my heart so strongly, it's f'n ridiculous. I think we just had a bond, a connection that far surpassed anything that I've had with other guys, and I can only pray to find in someone else again someday.

I do believe in love, true love even. But I also believe there are several people walking this earth that you can share that with, not just one that's meant for you.
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Hey cg,

right back at ya. Interesting that you say the Libra prepared you for the Virgal. I would like to hear more on that. Can you pleas elaborate?



Well, my life is designed to where I'm not a serial dater, nor do I have the 6 month relationship or the 3 month type. My life just doesn't work that way. My relationships have always been long and transforming in a drastic, shocking way, and the person I was before seems like a ghost. I mean, a lot of people will have an average relationship, and when it's over they might have learned this or that, or maybe they even learned things regretfully (like, I can't believe I trusted that guy/girl and they burned me!) So, the Libra was an enormous step, gigantic, in my transformation, to the point where the life I knew before broke away so far that I could barely even recognize it. There was no turning back because it was no longer there for me. So my horizons were broadened, my learning of culture expanded, I learned unconditonal love, and discovered the power of the universe when it wants something. I'm sure I've forgotten something here.
A few years later enters the Virgal. Wow. This is now a whole new level. And I'm generally equipped for it because of the Libra, save for a few issues that needed to be ironed out. It's akin to driving a crappy car 70mph and the engine blows up, but I had the engine built previously for that speed. Admittedly, at first, I knew on a certain level that things with the Virgal were really deep, and even after my preparation, I did avoid her because I was scared in a way, but that went away. I hope this helps to clarify.
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Hey there cg!


Loved this post. Isn't it sort of interesting how one person can set you up for another? Funny, sometimes we get the lesson and sometimes we don't. You don't seem at all like a serial dater to me cg (which is a good thing) but I can tell that you have learned alot. Ironically, I find that the people who can help you transform the most are the ones who can bring you the most pain. Guess that's life.
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I just told my Taurus guy something I've never told another guy before: "I love you".

I knew he felt the same (we've known each other for about 6 years now, and have struggled with our feelings for each other) so I had absolutely no worries about the whole "tell a Taurean you love them, and they'll go a runnin' for the hills". No such thing, in this case--in fact, he's been unusually close to me for the past few days since I've said it.

I do love him. Very, very much. He was there for me way back when--before my life got back on track, when I was lost and lonely. He's adorable, funny, my type of sarcastic, gentle but rough, and incredibly passionate--the type you'd never know until the doors closed, and you were alone, and you found your wrists pinned to the bed, and were having out-of-body experiences. I'd marry him if I could, we'd make a perfect couple. But yeah, circumstances keeping us from being together, yada yada yada.

Anyways, as much as I love him...I have to admit that I'm still IN love with that Pisces that I fear I'll never see again. A whole f'n year has passed, and I can't believe he's still in my heart so strongly, it's f'n ridiculous. I think we just had a bond, a connection that far surpassed anything that I've had with other guys, and I can only pray to find in someone else again someday.

I do believe in love, true love even. But I also believe there are several people walking this earth that you can share that with, not just one that's meant for you.




Waiting 6 years to confess your love is quite alright with me. Nowadays, people confess "love" two minutes after meeting in a bar. Disgusting. Your bull definitely sounds like a keeper but it's unfortunate that you two can't be together completely. Keep hope alive?...

I understand where you're coming from in reference to the Pisces. You wonder, wonder, wonder what will be? Like you, I asked for that love to be found in someone else.

Love. Such a tricky, confusing, scary, beautiful and wondrous thing.
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CLC -- it sounds like what you have with the Pisces is a soul connection. That's the more realistic term for soulmate. People get the wrong impression when they hear soulmate. Yes, you are connected to him and that will never go away, ever. It's a connection that can't be broken. The connection was destined, but whatever happens after that is anyone's guess.

Let me ask you a question: have you ever had the chance to decide, with your freewill, whether or not to have a relationship with the Pisces?

The reason I'm asking is because a lot of times a person is left in the dust (I'm not saying this is your case, just giving an example of a soul connection) and they're not quite sure what happened, but what happens is that the karma has to balance out, so it's destined that the two people will reconnect eventually, but the person left behind previously now has the freewill to decide whether or not to pursue the relationship.

What are your thoughts on this?



CG, I honestly have no clue what I have (had?) with that man. A friend of mine chastised me for being TOO Virgo and trying to schedule love =)). I said it's been almost a year since we've spoken and she asked what that had to do with him ever coming back. She told me to stop placing schedules on love, and then went into a tirade about how Virgos are with their date planners, and calculators, and pros/cons lists, LOL. It shut me up. She claimed the same as you, that if it's meant to be, it'll spring back--but NOT on any timetable or schedule, perhaps when I'm least expecting it.

I was asked if I thought we had just met at the wrong time. He was going through a horrible custody battle in court with a very vindictive ex-wife (who also happens to be a Pisces, yikes). She was making very serious claims that he physically abused her and the children, even though it was found out otherwise, and milking him dry with court costs and child support. He did admit to me at one point that he wished I didn't have to see him at that time, going through all that, because it wasn't how his life normally was...but I think I was MEANT to see, MEANT to know. I needed to see how he handled stress, and evidently from how I heard he tried to manage it, he went back to drinking, was hanging w/the wrong crowd, and just hit rock bottom. He's only RECENTLY gotten back on his feet, dusted himself off, and is doing
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*continued from above*

much better now. I'm really happy to hear that, because I honestly wish nothing but the best for him--but I'm not going to spend 2011 lamenting over him the way I did in 2010. That was horrible, and I don't wish to relive it. I'm not mad that he felt the need to pull back in order to get his life back on track, but he could have given me a heads up on it, instead of disappearing.

In any event, whether he comes back or not, I just hope he continues to climb steadily to the top, and that things go better for him this year, next, and beyond. I wish him no malice, or ill wishes, no matter how things ended, and that's it, really.
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I want realistic love. Not fairy tale love. Someone there when the poo is rising fast and hard, right there. Someone to snark with, bounce ideas off of, walk in on the bathroom with ( oh hey, nice that, been working on that a while? Let me guess..Chanel. )spoon with, fight with. Yep, and still there at the end of the day.
You can love many in the context of being a giving human being in general. But that ONE love is just that. That's the person standing strong for you. The one you fall in love with..back out of love with..back in again. And still standing.
"Hey baby, could have cheerfully crammed a sock down your throat last night, but guess what? Still love you. Chops or meatloaf?"



LOL...that's an aries moon kind of love right there.

LOVE IT 🙂
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So it's the Aries moon that does that to me?
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but what happens is that the karma has to balance out, so it's destined that the two people will reconnect eventually, but the person left behind previously now has the freewill to decide whether or not to pursue the relationship.




Oh I love this. I've got 'wild hope' right now. Hope you're right. It just seems like Chinese torture to make such a strong soul connection with someone but never be able to be with them. To know that they are damn near perfect for you (and you for them) but then nothing. Aaarrgghhh...
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but what happens is that the karma has to balance out, so it's destined that the two people will reconnect eventually, but the person left behind previously now has the freewill to decide whether or not to pursue the relationship.




Oh I love this. I've got 'wild hope' right now. Hope you're right. It just seems like Chinese torture to make such a strong soul connection with someone but never be able to be with them. To know that they are damn near perfect for you (and you for them) but then nothing. Aaarrgghhh...



You are currently in this type of situation?
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Oh cg. Such a loooooong story. Something like that. Just pray for me. LOL.
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Oh just got this off of another site. Will have to read it in depth later but it definitely applies somewhat to what you are saying cg...no? I will post more later. Love this!


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Sometimes soulmates wind up just friends because one of them is tied up in another relationship. No, it wasn't planned that way but it became a reality because one of them didn't wait. Now, there are other commitments, entanglements and sometimes children to consider that keep the pair at a distance. One such couple was Thomas and Laura. Laura came into Thomas' life two years into another love relationship. As with most soulmates, the attraction was too powerful to ignore and it soon became obvious to both that they were made for each other. But Thomas was caught between a rock and a hard place. He felt a strong sense of commitment and loyalty to the other woman. So much so, that he couldn't muster up the courage to break up with her. Laura was naturally frustrated, hoping and praying he would come to his senses. But after three years of waiting for the "big day", she conceded that day would probably never come. Now, they remain in intermittent contact sharing a small portion of their lives as friends.
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Well, I believe that in this kind of situation it played out the way it was supposed to. imo. But I'm kinda confused about that paragraph above: I mean, it says she was praying for him to come to his senses, meaning that he didn't recognize the full force of the connection? Yet it also says he didn't have the courage to leave his wife because he's loyal and all that. So, which is it?

Good question. No, not that he didn't recognize it. He did! When it says that "Laura was praying for him to come to his senses", it simply means that she wanted him to get it in his head that he should leave the other woman to be with her.

But I have heard a lot of times about soulmates meeting each other when one of them is in a relationship (not married) and so the one in the relationship has to finish that up and then they'll meet again.



I believe that this does happen. Maybe not for all but for some. How wonderful it must feel when it does.

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I'll pray for you. hahaha But it's very important that you work on yourself in the meantime, and not be constantly giving your energy out to this person. I'm not saying you're doing this, I'm mentioning it just in case.



Oh you ain't saying nothing but a word (and thanks for the prayer lol). I've learned so much and have grown so much and will continue to grow because I'm making it a conscious effort. Working on yourself is very important. Conserving your psychological, emotional and spiritual energy for your goals and dreams is equally important as well. It can't be all about the other person. There was a part of me that refused to grow up as far as relationships were concerned. Never really met anyone to grow up for. I could do career, school and family with no problem, but not love. Always messing guys about (guess they never really meant anything to me). Never serious because I was in a comfort zone and just decided that I was gonna stay there. Then there is always that one person who comes along and rewrites your script. Turns your safe little universe upside down. It was like an arrow to my heart, actually. Even if we never meet again (gotta be practical), it's ok. I got the lesson. That's all I'll say but believe me, I'm working on it. LOL.
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i think true love is of the spirit to me you have to love yourself first accept all your flaws and a person accept yours without being bias.

And finally have love for all things and people.



That is very beautiful and seems to be spiritual in every essence.
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thankyou bluemoon.

im always true 2 myself.
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I don't believe in "soul mates" per se. The idea that out of however many billion people are out there that only one of them would be my match is quite depressing actually. We'd have better odds at winning the lottery multiple times than finding that one true love.

What if they were born on the other side of the world? What if they were in an accident and died young?

I think that finding that true love has more to do with you than it does that a single soul mate. Are you able to open up to someone? Can you be vulnerable? Are you worth someone else opening up to?

I think a lot of people stick to the "one true love" idea because after they were hurt before they are never willing to take that chance again. Before they were hurt they could feel that kind of love... afterward, it just isn't the same.

I've been in love. I've had that person that I would have done anything for, who I'd kill for or die to protect. It didn't last forever. Does that mean I'm SoL? I think not... unless I let it ruin me. If it makes me afraid to love or trust again then yes I'll never "have another one like her"; but, if I let go of the past and look to the future... why not?
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I don't believe in "soul mates" per se. The idea that out of however many billion people are out there that only one of them would be my match is quite depressing actually. We'd have better odds at winning the lottery multiple times than finding that one true love.

What if they were born on the other side of the world? What if they were in an accident and died young?

I think that finding that true love has more to do with you than it does that a single soul mate. Are you able to open up to someone? Can you be vulnerable? Are you worth someone else opening up to?

I think a lot of people stick to the "one true love" idea because after they were hurt before they are never willing to take that chance again. Before they were hurt they could feel that kind of love... afterward, it just isn't the same.

I've been in love. I've had that person that I would have done anything for, who I'd kill for or die to protect. It didn't last forever. Does that mean I'm SoL? I think not... unless I let it ruin me. If it makes me afraid to love or trust again then yes I'll never "have another one like her"; but, if I let go of the past and look to the future... why not?



Exactly.
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I agree with Sid.

Here is one of my favorite quotes, and it describes how I feel about soul mates. It's by Elizabeth Gilbert, who wrote Eat, Pray, Love.

"People think a soul mate is your perfect fit, and that's what everyone wants. But a true soul mate is a mirror, the person who shows you everything that is holding you back, the person who brings you to your own attention so you can change your life.

A true soul mate is probably the most important person you'll ever meet, because they tear down your walls and smack you awake. But to live with a soul mate forever? Nah. Too painful. Soul mates, they come into your life just to reveal another layer of yourself to you, and then leave.

A soul mates purpose is to shake you up, tear apart your ego a little bit, show you your obstacles and addictions, break your heart open so new light can get in, make you so desperate and out of control that you have to transform your life, then introduce you to your spiritual master..."

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I definitely follow that idea more; I think over time I started to move away from the thought that there is only one true soul out there that we are supposed to be with and that is that.

Last summer, I met a guy, a cancer, who I believe was absolutely perfect for me. I mean, I had no specific list of traits, but in my heart, he embodied everything I felt I wanted in a partner. When we met, it was like fire; I had been pretty jaded for a bit, but when I met him, it was like I could breathe again. We were so good together. I just remember thinking I wanted to break boundaries with him and take chances. I just felt like we were meant for each other. But the problem was, we were in two completely different places within our lives. To work out, a lot of things would have to be sacrificed or changed, and that wouldn't have been fair for either of us. Even though I knew we weren't going to last, even though I knew he was scared and I was still cautious, we wanted to be with each other. And for a while, I didn't how to describe how I felt about him, but just as our romance was starting to die down, I realized that "like" was too simple. I loved him, but it was something so very different. To this day, I still love him and probably will for awhile, and if I ran into him in the future, I'm sure I'd just melt. But, with him, I learned a lot about myself; not because he taught me anything, but because I made myself realize a lot of things just so I could work with him. I grew up, I like to think. So, I still take a lot of what I learn into future relationships. I'm not at all disappointed that we couldn't be together; I mean, it's sad, but regardless,I still care so much for him and I don't regret being with him when I could.
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Posted by LibraSid
I don't understand houses, stelliums, conjuncts... not much about astrology really. I thought it was funny when I saw Brett Favre is a Libra. Talk about a guy who can't decide what to do, haha. I do like him though.


I don't really have a definition for soul mate. I generally only use the term for clarity if someone else already has.



What Brett come back out of retirement... again. Lol
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