Understanding Through Another's Eyes

Hello Everyone.

Bear with me, this one is pretty long winded. Just a little self analysis brought on by you all. Take it as introspection through intercom. When I first found this website, the first board I went to was "Does Virgos have a Conscience," and some of the stuff I read, my first response was, "No way. They are so way off. I'm nothing like that." Namely speaking, being manipulative and enigmatic; complicated even. I'm realizing though, that at times I am. Analysis is just so inherent, it's done unconscious, and honestly, at least with me, never done to the detriment of another. I wouldn't do something just to screw with someone, there has to be a specific reason.
What brought this revelation on was a conversation with someone, a Virgo with a Leo asc, literally two degrees from being a Virgo asc. I say this to say she shares qualities of both. We got on the subject of this website, and I was telling her some of the vicious, hurtful stones thrown at the sensitive Virgoan nature 🙂 . As the conversation went on, she said she would have these conversations in her head when she needs to speak to someone. Essentially getting a feel for how things would go, how the other person would respond, altering her responses to get a desired reaction. I was like, "Yeah. I do the same thing. I don't know how far you go into the scenarios, but my go everywhere from potentially mild to the extreme of extremes," and it was somewhere around this statement where I said, "You do realize by definition, that is manipulation? To analyze a person, figure out how they'll respond to specific scenarios, and tailor your demeanor, your words, and your tone to get a scenario where you have the advantage.
I found myself reading over some of my post, specifically the ones to Loonybird, and this behavior was overt. I mean, things like he's probably feeling this way so you should do this which will push him to do this, going so far as to say in this position, you have the advantage. Most of this is not even on a conscious level. Analysis is innate, this just happens to be a part of it. But again, I hang my hat on the fact that I've never done this for the sake of doing it. I'll never do something just to screw with someone, just to analyze their reaction. Essentially, vacationing in someone else's head is for their own benefit. Like how can I put something so it won't hurt them or they won't take it the wrong way. The flip side of this, is if I feel affronted; if I feel walked over, then this side of analysis comes in again. Manipulating the situation to provoke a confrontation to say what I have to say unabashed. Almost like an intangible release valve. I abhor confrontation, I don't like the intense emotion, my inclination is towards modesty, internalizing. Knowing that, I'll force myself to go against that temperament. When I was younger, yeah, I'd endure it. Now, no. I'm an adult, I'm going to be treated like one. Not being comfortable in confrontation, I want to know the terrain before hand. Simply put, and this may sound bad, but why go into a war if there's any ambiguity about you winning. Detach, say what needs to be said with a completely level disposition and let one of the predetermined scenarios manifest. Preferable one that'll lead to resolution. This actually flows into what brought this revelation on.
My immediate boss is extremely tactless. It's like she has no inkling in the slightest of understanding others (to note, this is extremely prominent in her chart, way too much unchecked fire which make the Aries sun run robust). So feeling somewhat walked over, I made a conscious decision a week before hand to respond to her tactlessness with sharpness, knowing eventually she'd have to address it. Probably in some embarrassing emotional way. She did. I said what I had to say, it went completely over her head, but it was out. It didn't matter what precipitated the argument, wi

Hi,

I will reflect my thoughts over here as clearly as possible, as I am getting very emotional while typing this. I will understand if you find me confused over here. It is very difficult to project feelings in black and white.

Now one thing is strikingly common about all the virgo critics. They find sex extremely gratifying with virgos. Specialy after reading Alana's latest on virgo on the cancer message board, it is very clear why people can't get over a virgo. And that is the key to why so much frustration is circulating over here when virgos distance themselves or regarding virgo's critical /fault finding tendencies.See nobody wants to lose the virgo over here.It is like cutting the oxygen off! How can you breathe then? But at the same time certain virgo negative tendencies, make people to rethink about continuing the relationship further. They can neither live with or without a virgo.How frustrating!!!

Man I would say that is a great homage to pay to a Virgo.🙂)

Your style of dealing with conflicts is something which is shared even by cancerians. While the virgos don't like getting into unplanned conflicts, cancerians recoil when faced with harshness.Such situations make them cry(both males & female cancer)and hence they tend to withdraw. Either way the intention is to gather your bearings and after gaining control over yourself return back with renewd energy. Another thing many of the Virgos and cancers usually do .... they don't like heated arguments and don't like getting involved in a shouting match. Hence they prefer to stay away from such heated situations, till things cool down. They simply don't trust themselves in handling such situations., least to say they don't trust people who keep on shouting down without knowing when to stop. In anger people do lose rationality and are not interested in others view point.

Virgosquared have you read my post in the title..Do Virgo Have Conscience..? I have listed the virtues of virgos. Also tried to see the positive side of their so called negative qualities. The Virgo personality is clearly a dichotomy(i think spelling is wrong)...while they are splendid as friends and spouse...as lovers they are very very slippery.

Note carefully I did say they make a great spouse. I have friends married to virgo males and they never stop appreciaitng them..and female virgo friends whose husbands actually worship them.

Now why as lovers they tend to be so slippery to the extend of being labeled as markers! This happens when they need space form their lovers or maybe want to break off! Well they could have frank discussions and talk it over. This is because they are considerate and want to talk about it without causing a permanent damage to their lover. so like you virgosquared they plan on how to tell. They run and re-run the possible scenarios. And mind you when they visualise how the other will react..their analysis of that person is usually accurate. So if they feel that they will have a difficult time explaining that person why they want space or a break off, they tend to disappear or become distant.

My own life experince has taught me that when people call you manipulative and unfeeling or emotionally constipated, it is because they can't control you. So it is all the control issue. Yes I know Virgos can get very controlling and even the cancerians....what I don't like about the accusations which are hurled at virgos is that just because they choose to internalise their feelings, their behavior is branded as manipulations and unacceptable. So does this mean that as far as one is vocal and even loud about whatever is going in one's mind and heart, one is clean, emotional or a better person? Well seeing from cancer point of view that is pretty immature, inconsiderate!

Yes I do agree that by being direct, the air gets clear quickly and one knows right away what step is to be taken next without wasting mu

Hi VirgoSquared,

Hmm - the issue with playing conversations/scenarios over and over in your head. I do that too - you know I have a lot of Virgo in me and I do that. It's bad in a way... First of all, the conversations we are playing are always confrontational in the sense that you are testing someone's reaction. Don't forget that people pick up on that and often find it offensive. I can always 'feel' when someone is testing my reaction to something and I just hate it - especially when they already think I will act a certain way because they think they have me all analyzed and figured out. I will usually respond in a confrontational way right back - often confirming what they are testing on purpose just to be difficult. To me it's dam**d rude. Give me enough credit to let me think about my response based on my intelligence, not just my emotional reaction. Don't make assumptions about how I am going to feel or react!!! People who analyze seem to forget something...

You think that I am a certain way because I have responded in the past in a negative way to a certain situation that YOU were the other part of. If you are so logical and analytical, go another step back and wonder WHY I reacted to YOU the way I did. Don't detach yourself from this - you are a part of this. My reaction may be from the way you act, or from my past experiences. To me it seems important to try to figure out which. If I care about someone I always try to take this extra step back. It's hard not to be a bit more understanding both toward you and me after.

Depends on the situation of course - sometimes 'testing the water' is appropriate - but the circumstances must be very carefully chosen and it must be done with tact. Also, getting the expected reaction 'A' doesn't mean that expected reaction 'B' will follow - you have to go with it and adapt as the conversation/situation develops. Too much planning scenarios makes it difficult to be open to that. You see - if you do this too much, you no longer have the advantage anyway because the other person can play the 'element of surprise' card and you will be left fumbling. Can you really think of every possible response—

Also, I think Virgos do seem to be pretty good at keeping their emotional cool from what I have read, and have experienced that up to a point. They 'deal' by trying to stay emotionally detached. That's also a 'guy' thing. I'm a female Scorpio and tears flow easily from hurt, frustration etc etc. People seem to feel manipulated when dealing with someone that can keep their cool when they are losing theirs. Like you said - 'if you are madder than me - I win'. Isn't that kinda childish? Especially if you deliberately (or maybe just subconciously) pushed someone's buttons. Don't get me wrong though - I'm not saying that we don't all do that sometimes :^) !!

The other problem is that the whole issue may be based on an incorrect assumption to begin with. Here all the time and emotional energy is wasted on something that turned out to be a non-issue anyway. While Virgos definitely do seem good at reading situations, I'm sure they occasionally blow it too ;^) !!!

Gee I'm not sure how much of this ended up making sense, but take out any bits that do and discard the rest - I was rambling and digressing and don't know how to fix this response without throwing it out and starting again...

Bottom line though - I don't really think that Virgos are particularly manipulative through all these actions. Yes, there is the need to control the situation/conversation. But manipulative - no - it's still my choice how I respond...

ScorpGal

Loonybird, you rock.

Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. I love the secret service way you throw yourself between the arrows and the Virgos. Good looking out. You know as I was writing the confessional, I began to realize that I don't see it as being bad. Most things in life are neither good nor bad, it's the way they affect people that in turn gets them colored one way or the other. The only thing I can think of as being good or bad is intent. Absent that, things just are. Kind of the same way with this. That type of . . .I don't even know what you'll call it. Personality, modus operandi in social interaction, whatever it is, it could be used to another's benefit or detriment, but the same applies to directness or emotionality. Let me tell it, directness is normally a virtue. But naked and unabashed directness without regard or consideration to temperament of the person it's aimed at is simply inconsiderate. Most of the time, points can made; ideas can be gotten across without offense. The same thing with emotionality. Used to sympathize, excellent. Used for guilt trips or emotional black mail, manipulation, that sucks.
It goes to the individual. People are individuals and how they express their inherent proclivities is specific to that person. So, I guess in all this, I'm saying. This is me. That part of myself, I'm fine with.

Others feel free to chime in on this, I want perspectives. Opinions. Something.

Thanks for the point of view Lonny,

VirgoSquared

Hi again VirgoSquared,

Hmm - I read my post again and realize that I sound somewhat defensive. Guess I've had a couple of those 'conversations' directed my way...

You are right about the intent in a way. I don't believe most people( or Virgos seeing as how that is what we are discussing here) have the intent to cause harm in most circumstances.

Funny thing about the emotionality. You say that it is good if used to sympathize but for guilt trips etc it sucks. Here's where the shoe goes on the other foot.

You are analytical and good at keeping emotion from your conversations/interactions. I am very emotional and can't hide it. I just can't. You think I'm laying guilt trips or emotional blackmail. Well - I can throw the 'intent' thing back at ya. My emotional response is rarely tailored for that purpose. It is simply what it is. Me - being myself. And I have to be fine with that too.

I'm happy to let Virgo's be themselves. In some ways I'm enjoying learning about them, because I am learning a lot about myself in the process. Some good, some not so great...

You have lots to teach us - just never lose sight of the fact that we can teach you lots too!

ScorpGal

ScorpioGal5,

no. No, put down your dukes, I didn't mean it that way. It's intent. From what I know of you, wings grace your spine. "You think I'm laying guilt trips or emotional blackmail," no, "I," referring to me, don't. Someone knowing you, really knowing you, should know you're just, as you say, emotionally intense. In fact, I would think that kind of emotional intensity would breed honesty. What comes out, comes out. I wouldn't think you'd have time to edit it. I'm not talking about another's perspective of your display, I'm talking purely about intent.
And to note, you shouldn't hide your feelings. Regardless of how I feel in expressing mine, that has nothing to do with you. I, nor anyone else is your, nor anyone else's standard. No one close to you should want you to hide what you're feeling for their benefit. What makes what's beneficial to them heftier than what's beneficial to you?

You've actually managed to make me feel quite guilty here. 🙂
Hey, that wasn't intentional was it (laughing)?
VirgoSquared

Hi VirgoSquared,

Ah - it worked did it 😉 ... Sorry - sometimes when I am writing to you my focus changes and I say things that should really be directed at someone else!!! And yes, this is about someone else's perspective.

Dam* that emotional intensity anyway 🙂 !!

ScorpGal

Hi ScorpioGal,
How was your weekend? I second your views expressed over here. I personally live by the code, each to her/his own. And as Virgosquared says it is the intent which is important. But the fact remains that two people who are temperamentally different will have lots of stress in their relationship. There is lot of constant emotional work over here. One can go on with this till one's energy level can permit. Once that limit is crossed it becomes impossible to stay in that relationship.

It is very difficult to change what potentialities and limitations a person is born with. But with careful nurturing from a parental figure can help one to evolve form one's limitations -with time. Modern education is based on creating awareness on what good parenting is all about. Reading the current school syllabus in advance, i.e. even before my children were born has worked to my advantage. And the ultimate on good parenting is "Men are form Mars, Women form Venus and Children are from Heaven".

Now, how does my post over here serve the topic that virgosquared has initiated? The book reveals that how children have to be treated according to their unique qualities that they are born with.and parents have to help their children to overcome their resistance to regulations and help them to manage their negative emotions according to their unique personality types. The effort has to be persistent one. See life is all about management of emotions in such a way that one doesn't rough shod on ohter's sense of integrity. This approach helps the individual to develop self-confidence and overcome lot of inner conflicts.

But what if we have not received such a parenting. So we are emotionally screwed up(LOL). So what we do about it? It is not too late. Go ahead & still read those books and seek counselling. While applying it on your own children you do undergo lot of self-healing. This exercise makes you experience positive emotions more often than the negative one.

Now what do I mean by negative emotions ? In your case scorpgal it is- frustration, disappointment.... I know you can't help it. But there is one thing you can help. Just think about your beloved virgo and htink" he requires healing, next time when i am going to see him i will feel very happy about him being fine and alive and able to come to work! Let me put him at rest that though I still love him and he invokes passion in me, I don't feel bad about not achieving it with him. I am going to be happy with the way things are. I love him unconditionally and i am happy if he acquires happiness in his life in his own unique way". You have to practise this over and over again. See once these thoughts are firmly entrenched in your mind...it will reflect in your behavior. Your virgo will feel relaxed in your company. Believe me it is not easy. But it works. I have mastered this with lots of determination. And I know how difficult it is.

And one more thing conduct yourself in your work environment in such a way that you dont get involved in anyone's personal life beyond a point. The old saying, "Dont butter before your doorstep" holds good. Once again not an easy deed for a very emotional person. But it is not impossible.

Scropgal I am goign to tell you like it is. You born under the sign of Scorpio sun is not born to experience emotional intensity only at this level. Remembe rthe symbols of an evolved scorpio- An eagle soaring to great heights. It is symbolic...rising above the material & worldly emotion to a more self-actualised self which looks at the world below and wants to take the rest of humanity up there and show how beautiful the world can be. Another symbol is hte Phoenix rising. meaning risinf up to be an eagle form all difficulties. Comeon this is what you are meant to be. Did you know that Buddha had Scorpio rising and another Indian spiritual guru had scorpio sun? Martin Luther of germany, who shook up the double

Oops Correction
in the statement"Hope this long speech wasn't too lenghty"
repalce lenghty with exacting.
And excuse all the spelling mistakes. I am typing this while paying attention to my children at the same time(smiling indulgently).

Hello everyone.

Yeah, I am smiling. Thank you LoonyBird. ScropioGal. Yeah, when the goal becomes, "If you're madder, I win," that's childish. No argument here. But at this point, regardless of how calm I may seem, I am so pissed. Detachment has shaken his head and walked away slamming the door shouting explicatives on his hurried exit. And as for the scenario thing. It's only done consciously when some unfamiliar tense situation may arise. Outside of that, my responses are purely honest. That tinkering with the outcome or possible outcomes of a situation isn't an issue. I don't even like doing it, because it implies some kind of adversarial relationship where I feel I need some advantage. I prefer equal footing. That, and like you said, you can't predict everything. Some of the most stressful moments I've had over the board at chess tournaments were when someone did something completely unexpected like sac a piece in some weird way, and I'm looking at the board like, "What the hell? Is that even legal." So yeah, you're right.

Also, that emotional intensity rocks. The grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side of that. To me the positives and negatives balance out so, for what it's worth, I actually like that. I'll don the mask of whoever you want, direct those darts my way baby. I'm pretty resilient. I won't break. 🙂

VirgoSquared

Hi Guys,

Go for it VirgoSquared. Conjure up some nasty scenarios for your boss!! I hope you'll get to play one out where you are the 'cool as a cucumber' dude and get the last laugh.

For what it is worth - my Virgo friend has been in a couple of situations where he didn't speak up because he prefers to avoid conflict (sound familiar 🙂?). It just ate at him constantly until finally he blew up and immediately felt much better. He always wonders if things might have been different if he had just spoken up to begin with.

I don't know if it applies - don't go getting yourself fired now just 'cause I said so 😢 ...

Loonybird - thank you for your advise. Indeed I know just what you mean about the unconditional love and have been applying those thoughts to the relationship for a long time - much longer than the recent events that have caused me such frustration and sadness.

I have done this and notice immediately the difference. Yes, it works. There are days that I can achieve this very successfully, but alas I am not infallible and some days there are cracks that show 😢 ... I guess in my heart I am still 'acting'. My conscious self knows that all things happen for a reason, but my heart still hurts. I don't do rejection well. Guess I need more practice 😢.

As far as the work environment thing goes though - this was not your standard 'work environment' by a long stretch. And it has never been me that stretched those boundaries. Guess I did participate though - so I wont try to pass off all the blame. We are still trying to define this relationship. I wish we could just settle on something...

ScorpGal

Hello ScorpGal.

Actually, I think the direct approach would've been better. I kind of forgot when people are pissed, they don't really listen. Essentially, just because I said what I had to, doesn't mean she heard it. It'll have to come up again. I think in this case directness is better. On second thought, it probably wouldn't matter. The results will be the same. Apparently everyone there has had this type of trouble with her, and they've considered getting rid of her before I even got there, so. We'll see.

On a side note. Give yourself a break. No one does rejection well. Not on the inside anyway. Rejection hurts. Nuff said.

Thanks for the commentary.

VirgoSquared

Hi Scorpgal & Virgosquared!
Hey scorpgal keep it up, the cracks will show for a long time. Infact the wound maybe the one which could be reopened anytime even after 30 years! But it seems you are doing well. and if you guy are trying to define the relationship good. Now we can't be very guide over here as we don't know your virgo sweethearts side form his angle..we know him only through your feelings. But i do have a feeling tha tyou will come out much stronger.

Scorpgal if i am not intruding i have certain queries. 1) how many children you have & how old are they? 2) who looks after them when you are out working? 3) how do you deal with their traumas? 4) Does your love life interfere with the concentrated attention that you need to give them? 5) what are your working hours like? 6) what are your hobbies?

And then make a list of your priorities. Like I am just lsiting you my priorities as an example. here it goes.
1)children
2)myself
3)career
4)parents & ex-hubby
5)hobbies
6)sex
each night before i sleep i do a thorough introspection and maintain a diary.

Now i want to relate to the hilarious incident which is related to what you said about creating scenarios in mind and then goofing up when the response is something unexpected. My beloved virgo called up few days ago and said how much he missed me. Then as we were talking i noticed that before i would finish answering to his questions, he would know exactly what my reply would be and without hearing me out fully would ask me another question which ofcourse was in continuation to my responses. this went on for 5 minutes. Now if you have read my posts, he had backed out form an invitation to a biz seminar that i had offered. So suddenly he asked me-
him: "Maa'm are you still interested in that biz offer?"
me: "ummmm....you see i took a long time to rethink about it and have made a detailed report on the pros & con of the biz."
him: silence
Me: You see first of all....
he interrupts
HIm: "err maa'm can we talk about this tommorrow? I have to go now. I am hanging up."
Me: "OK. Sure. Talk with you tommorrow."
Him: By the way maa'm. I have heard this is a festive season in INdia. Are you participating?........"
And he went on rambling for next ten minutes.
Next day he calls up exactly at the time that he said he would.
Him: Ok maa'm about the biz, you were saying that......
me: replying
the conversation goes on smoothly. and he asks
him: so maa'm our luncheon for 20th is confirmed
me: yes
him: you are returning on 17th
me:yes
him: ok. we will meet on 20th and before that we will meet to decide the venue.
me: uh..see i will have to catch up on lot of things after i return, so you decide and give me a ring.
Him: Maa'm I have to go now. I will e-mail you.

i didn't think much of it, i was just to happy to hear from him. But when i read virgosquared's post on run and rerunning scenarios and planned conversations and then you r response about goof ups when the response is unexpected....it striked me that yes both the times my virgo had planned out very well the direction and length of our conversations. our conversations were very very smooth when i was replying in my characteristic manner. so he knew what my responses would be.... i could get the vibes from his voice when i responded differently than he had expected (normally i would have said yes let us meet up during our evening walks). he cut the topic and diverted to topics which were very light and all the time he sounded distant. So both the time he expected me to grab at opportunities to meet him. when i declined he didnot want to continue on the same topic.
Just now i received a mail from him. this guy correctly figured out that my ex-hubby and children would come to pick me up at the airport. So he called up my ex-hubby and altered the plans slightly. he offered to join m

"To err is human, to forgive is divine."

CB, that was the first thought that popped into my mind after reading your post. I truly am so sorry for your pain, I can tell that you are still hurting and who wouldn't be after a wonderful experience with someone and especially not being able to understand why someone does what they choose to do. You are haunted by the mystery of not knowing. Sure, in time your wounds will heal but it is now the process of healing that you are going through.

CB, I can give you my reasons why I enjoy remaining friends with someone after a relationship has changed and that is because, I personally feel that relationships are temporary...people will come into our lives and they will leave, nothing here on earth is permanant. So, I choose to enjoy the moments that I share with each person by living in the moment - never knowing what is around the corner. I know that I do not have control over anyone or their feelings. They can love me one day and the next, change and off to a new experience for growth. I still care about that person and his/her well being. I have also been on the other end where I have decided that the relationdship no longer served me...I was existing and I choose to live rather than exist. I would sincerely hope that the other person would have some understanding of my honest feelings and accept me for who I am...if our friendship was real, they would. Now, with understanding...this may take time for a reconnection to occur as one needs to deal with emotions and those are best delt with in time alone to see the big picture. Life itself is a gift that we are given...we can loose it in any moment. What is really important to you? To hold on to hurt, pain, or to let go and forgive? Forgiving can be a difficult thing to do but emotionally, it is very freeing to you and the other person involved. What helps me CB is looking back at all the wonderful relationships that have been brought into my life. Without them I would not have been experiencing life only wishes. Your friend sounds like he was very special to you and I have a feeling that he still feels that you are special to him. Maybe in time you can reconnect and let by gones be by gones. No relationship is ever the same but....it can be better due to the lessons learned. We all make mistakes...and we always will that is what being human is about. Loving someone unconditionally is the greatest gift that we can give...no matter what happens.

My best friend is a virgo...she is like a sister to me. We were so close many years ago helping each other thru many of lifes weird experiences. Something happened where she was very upset with me and decided that we should not be friends. I had to honor her wishes praying that in time, she would forgive and we would again someday connect. Two years later she contacted me...I was so happy and now you cannot separate us. It was life, and it needed to happen for reasons unknown to me. What was most important to me was that I would someday be able to once again share life with her and her family.

I suppose you need to decide what is truly important for you in your life to be happy. Is there some pride in the way for you—? Maybe this is your lesson? Learning to "let go?"

I only desire for you to be happy CB and I know that is what you want, we all do.

This really is not about why he chose to do what he did but how you are choosing to respond to what he has done. Not sure if I was of any help to you my friend....I do know that Aries are able to forgive on a dime where Cancers take a bit longer. Everything will work out for the best, this I do know 😉

Smile

I understand...thanks for sharing your feelings CB. Sounds like you did what was best for you and your emotional well being and that is truly what matters the most - YOUR happiness. I suppose we all have a story like that to share...the good news is you were open enough to feel love and experience it...some don't allow themselves to "go there".

I'm glad to hear that you are doing good~

Hello everyone.

"Hurt, yes, very much so - I loved him deeply. Hurt but not broken - manipulative, yes, controlling, yes, blaming everone for his actions, yes - slippery, YES..it's all there."

Cancerbuddy, Dude, I'm bleeding. 🙂

Look my man, if you go by astrology, I think I've said this somewhere else, people are more than just their signs. Also, just because a sign may have certain traits, how those traits are expressed are individual. That blaming everyone for his actions thing, with me, I'd blame myself more so for the self righteous reason I would believe I should've know better for both of us. It's me. Virgo trait, who knows?

Also, as forgiveness goes. Yeah, it's divine, but let me tell it, forgetting is kind of stupid. You've been wronged, definitely let it go. I'll say that again. Definitely, let it go. But you have to retain what happened just to make sure it doesn't happen again. But the emotion evoked is a ball and chain. Get past it. My memory will make an elephant bashful with shame (elephants suppose to have good memories), so I tend to remember everything bad that's ever happened to me, going way back to like five or six, so believe me when I say it's better to let it go. I've found it's not so much for the other person's benefit, it's for yours. Your piece of mind. Take it for what it's worth.

Sorry for what happened, but, we're not all that bad;

VirgoSquared

Hmmm
We have two choices in our life...
Run our life by:
? -Choice and logic.
? or
? -By emotions.
Sadly? there is no other way..
We've got what we've got? good or bad? mean or sweet?can anyone see this..??

I have tried "HARD" to remove this astrological prediction crap from this emotional states of partnership and bring a logical "thoughtful sense" in this area.
Can anyone see this..??... ever..?
Man?..!!

Hello Q-bone,

a little frayed there aren't you? Deep breath. Who's it aimed at and a little clearer.
Also, you don't need question marks between ". . ." the one at the end suffices. LOL 🙂

Laugh, I'm kidding. Lighten up and explain. I think I know what you're getting at, but be clearer for me.
VirgoSquared

hehe... i am good at useing "...", then " " and other stuff, any way...the reason of my complaining is that I really know people who really like each other but,their sence of logic is blocked by this astrologaical things, and I hate it.
It suppose to be fun you know.

Hi everyone!!
Qbone i can understand what you are trying to put across.
But bear with me and read this with open mind.

people belonging to a particular zodiac sign do behave in a particular pattern. There is a scietific reason behind it. We are continuosly breathing hte energy of the universe as the earth is revolving round the sun. Now each astral degree consists of unique energies and light realeased by various heavenly bodies. And through thousands of years it has been observed that when an individual takes it's first birth, the energy that permeated into it's being remains wiht the individual through out the life.
Even the time when child is conceived reflects the domination of feminine or masculine force in the household.
Now the energy that i talk about is total some of planetarty positions at hte time of the individual's birth. three years after my marriage an astrologer could not just predict the year that i got married but also said that my husband should have either sun,moon or a rising leo. and our venus has to be sextile or conjunct.My husband is sun sign Leo. Our venus are sextile and my venus is sextile ot his mars.then also he indicated that my first child will have sun or moon in cancer. well my daughter too like me is a cancerian.

ok one word of warning over here. we can group people according to their sun signs upto a certian extend. But we have to understand that the different aspect of their life is governed by the different planets reflecting the qualities attache dot those planets. for example: i dont like being around loud and brash people. But my cancerian daughter has no such specification. she has a great sense of humor and is very sporting. if i am in a bad mood leave me alone. but when she is in a bad mood arrange wiht her friends to invite her to a party! so you see two people having the same sun respond different to situations. while both of us share the cancerian qualities of tenacity,loyalty, career-mindedness and we are both great nurturers.

What i have observed here is that people have categorised people as sexy or whatever according ot their sun signs... for example scorpios are expected to be great in bed. But i though a cancerian is yet to meet a scorp with whom i can have that chemistry. Now scorps or any sign for that matter can be sexual dysfunctional if they have certain afflictions in their chart related to sex. sexual compatibility is not dependent on sun signs but on certian planetary aspects involving moon,venus & mars.
All my good friends are - geminis, virgos, librans, capricorns and sagitarians.

So having said that Qbone does have a point in not to get blinded by this sun sign thing. But I am all for astrology.

Virgosquare'a analysis of my chart is a proof of that. Hey Jamarl you have an alternate career over here🙂

Hello everyone.

I don't have much time as I need to get to work, but Q-bone, I dig. I haven't fallen down on a particular side of belief in astrology yet. For me it's not valid or invalid, it just stands on a rock in the desert with a questioning and somewhat expasperated expresson on it's face, waiting for my rejection or acceptance. That being said, I am seeing some evidence here of validity. Some of the charts I seen, when compared to the person have been strikingly accurate, mine included.

As for relationships based on astrology. It's interesting, fun, but I agree on that one. It's purely speculative. If you're digging someone, you can't let a sign or a chart stand in the way of exploring that "digging." That emotional connection. People are more complicated than that. Even clashes of personalities can serve to help the people grow.

Any way,

Got to "get."

By the way. Thanks Loony. When you have a little free time, email me with a little feedback on areas where I was right on and areas where I was way off.

VirgoSquared