Virgo man&sexual performance

i just wanted to ask u Virgo men ..how do u reassure a Virgo man who thinks he's failed u sexually? the man im dating we had sex &he didnt last long and thats ok with me but not him he seems embarassed but i tryed to tell him its ok because he works a lot..but i havent heard from him in a couple of days and i still like him despite that..Did i scare him off?

I only had sex once with my virgo ex-bf AND IT WAS TERRIBLE! The worst sex I have ever had. I dunno how most virgo men handle the situation but the loser I was with seemed cool with it for a few days then just disappeared. He ended up cheating on me. I think that the fact that your guy has kinda stepped away for a moment is a good sign. He is probably mulling things over and deciding his next course of action. Everyone is entitled to have a bad time now and again and if it was your first time together, things can be awkward. I'm sure that he will realize that you understand how hard he works and that things will get better with time.

well hopefully he's not cheating on me because i really do like him but, if so so be it! too many fish in the sea..thanks for the input fragile

>how do u reassure a Virgo man who thinks he's failed u sexually?

Been there. Takes time to become a great lover. Takes an interest in learning HOW to please your partner. HOW to share.

NO ONE starts out being a great lover... we all have to learn somehow.

I remember at the age of 16... nuzzling my 21 Y.O. GF's pubes thru her pants with my mouth... then the first time she took them off for me... forgetting all about ORAL and trying to go straight for the poke... which pissed her off and I never got another chance with her.

I remember at age 19 when I finally lost my virginity.... only calling my lover when I became so horney I couldn't stand it any longer.... like once every couple of weeks... till she finally told me to go fuck myself.

I remember at age 19 hooking up with a gal at a dance... and going out to the bed of my truck, making out with her... and when she wouldn't let me take her clothes off... rubbing my bare dick against her leg till I came on her... and she was none too happy with me... she was pretty pissed.

It was experiences like these, as a kid... that got me thinking about what I was doing wrong... what I could do to improve myself. What I could do to become a GREAT lover. One who would satisfy women, instead of pissing them off. It got me reading to find the answer. I DID find the answers. And I embarked on the path towards becoming a fine lover. Everyone has to start somewhere.

So... if he thinks he's failed you sexually... the key is... you have to know what YOU need first. Then you tell him what you need. He has to learn somehow. IF YOU don't know, and he doesn't know... get some books. Read them together... in bed. Read and try the things in the book. I know it'll seem odd at first... it'll seem unreal... like acting... but you both have to learn somehow.... why not give it a try?

well believe me i know thats why im understanding i was awkward once too..not tryin to, brag but i got it down..but ill be patient because he does try to put some effort into it i just think he's too hard on himself..ill give him a week to call i guess but after that i dunno,

>we had sex &he didnt last long

One more comment Kelis.... didn't last long you say?

Maybe he doesn't realize that he can have more than ONE orgasm in the space of a couple of hours.

IF he's not drunk... GROG has a bad effect on your sexuality.

If he's not too tired... making love at 3am when you gotta work the next day tends to hurt your stamina.

So what if he "prematurely ejaculates"... given just a short time... 30 minutes, he SHOULD be able to get hard again... maybe you'd have to suck it up to get him hard again, but he should be able to no problem. OF course you don't need him to be hard to please you... you only need his tongue for that, or fingers, or a vibrator.

SO get a book and learn all about it, LOL. Vaginal Orgasms are mighty rare... much easier for a gal to cum with clitoral stimulation.

YOU need to learn what it takes to give your SELF pleasure, if you're ever going to be able to relate to a partner how to please YOU.

wat? suck up wat? ok now Dr.Ruth, watch it!

Kelis, most Virgo men are lousy lovers, that's just the way it is. Their love for their woman comes in different ways and to be with a Virgo, you just have to accept that because their love just doesn't come physically.

"I only had sex once with my virgo ex-bf AND IT WAS TERRIBLE! The worst sex I have ever had."

But, that doesn't mean, the worse love. To have a Virgo man love you and take care of you, Kelis, is the greatest feeling in all the world becuase you will feel like a queen and you probably will be in his eyes because you aren't making him feel like a sexual failure, so he see's you as his queen.

But, the truth of the matter is . . they are sexual zero's . . all of them. It's a matter of what is important to you in your life. If you can handle being with someone who is mechanical in bed, knows all the moves, but, has no passion, yet, can love you in every other way in your life . . V's your man. If your one of the people who have to have powerful and magnetic sex . . run and look for another lover.

You asked, "how do u reassure a Virgo man who thinks he's failed u sexually?"

He's failed and he knows it. There is no reassuring him, just acceptance. Let him know that you love him for everything else he does for you in your life. But, sexually, he knows he's terrible, as they all do. They won't admit it, but, they know. I mean, Virgo's are very smart people, right? So, if they are told something repeatedly, by several different women . . What? Now, all of a sudden they're stupid and can't comprehend. No, they know . . Kelis, you can't reassure him about it. That's why they are so good at taking care of your other needs . . because they know.

What you can do is wrap him up in a blanket of security in the areas in your life where he excels. To try and push him into believing that he's an amazing lover, when you know he's not and he knows he's not . . will push him away because he knows that your lying to him. There are so many other things the male Virgo does to make you feel important, stroke those things, not his sexual prowess.

"they are sexual zero's . . all of them."

Generalize much?

Maybe my sexual prowess has been stroked one too many times. I dunno, I spent alot of time reading/talking/trying to understand what I need to do to get a woman off. And I do more than just missionary. So I think it depends on the Virguy's attitude about sex, if he's serious about pleasing, then he's probably worked on stamina, learned some things about how to perform better, etc. Yeah, I'm still a young one, and I don't consider myself a pro by any means, but I'd like to think/hope that I'm not bad in bed. And if I am, shoot, I need a woman to just be honest about it so I can fix what I'm doing wrong, after the scorp, I learned quite a few things about pleasing. And Aries gal has no problems telling me if I'm not hitting her pleasure spots.

Good sex is about being comfortable with yourself as much as you are comfortabe with your partner, being open about it is the only way to make it better.

Of course, having an intact penis seems to have its benefits in this department, so I'm never getting circumcised.

And on a side note, I have no problem using toys to enhance the experience.

Well P-ANgel, I have had more women than I am old, and when I was 15 maybe I needed some training. My last Pisces told others over the eyars she could never have a man do her any better than I did. I have also gotten this from several women. A Sag woman my age told me similar things a week ago.

So that is a pretty poor comment to make. YOU may have gottena dud, but not THIS Virgo.

If you can't train your man, don't blame the other Pups.

Vpm, I know what you mean about reading and trying to figure out what needs to be done to get a woman off, my man does that too. But, you can know every move there is, but, still be a bad lover.

It's like, your Scorp or Aries woman could come through the door and wrap her arms around you and give you a big fat passionate kiss that has you wanting to crumble. Those two signs want domination and control, so they won't notice that this longing is only coming from them and not thier Virgo partner because he will respond to h. Most other signs definitly know because they aren't so into thier own desires that the Virgo can get away with not having passion.

Knowing the right moves to get a woman off, means nothing. A woman doesn't need to have an orgasm to feel loved, to feel wanted and cherished.

People, mainly women, say all the time about how the male Virgo disappears and then comes back. He makes his moves, then is gone . . all the time, this happens. The Virgo has to ponder, has to make right choices, has to analyze everything fully and this is the reason why he backs off . . to make sure that the woman is worthy of his efforts. To do this . . tells the female that she isn't desired, she isn't wanted the way she needs to be wanted and needed . . and that way is to feel that she has a sense of belonging to him, and with him. By backing away to think about desire is cold and insensitive in the woman's eyes.

When FC said, "then the first time she took them off for me... forgetting all about ORAL and trying to go straight for the poke... which pissed her off and I never got another chance with her" . . this is the Virgo mind-set . . just know the moves.

A woman doesn't have to have an orgasm to feel loved and desired, but, that is what the Virgo thinks because he puts too much thought into it . . hence, he backs away to mentally rip apart whatever feelings there are surging through him that scares him.

If you listen in here, all Virgo's talk about the moves they know, and what they've learned . . . not about desire and passion.

But, on the good side of this . . . the Virgo can love and take care of their partner in ways that other signs can't. Once they find a partner who can accept thier coldness and lack of affection, they put them on a pedastool and make them their queens. The world will revolve around this woman. So, it's just a matter of what a person is looking for in their partners. Sexuality, or, sincereity.

"If you can't train your man, don't blame the other Pups"

See, that's part of what I'm trying to say. It's NOT about training, it's not about teaching and learning.

It's about experiencing the thrill of the rush that surges through your body because you've stimulated and carressed. It's irrelevant whether you even know what to do to give her an orgasm. Loving a woman is about holding her tenderly in your arms and softly stroking her skin . . not orgasm.

Knowing and feeling . . is not the same thing.

Kelis,

This V-man backed away, embarrassed because he knows . . . he knows.

This is something you just have to understand and accept, you can't make a person feel passion. He can mimick you, he can learn your body, he can give you everything you want in life . . but, know . . that it is coming from YOUR desire to be loved and not his desire to love you. His desire is exclusely for orgasm purposes only.

If he comes around again, if he strokes and touches your body, the aim is to get you wanting to have sex with him . . not because you are woman and need to feel soft caresses and tenderness.

This concept escapes the Virgo . . they think that caresses is for sex only.

>But, the truth of the matter is they are sexual zero's all of them.

You're a hoot P-Angel = )

>this is the Virgo mind-set just know the moves.

I can see how you'd come to that conclusion. Reguardless, the right moves bring pleasure. If one takes great pleasure in making those moves, and in recieving those moves, then it's all good. If not, then the couple is simply not a match, no biggy.

>It's irrelevant whether you even know what to do to give her an orgasm. Loving a woman is about holding her tenderly in your arms and softly stroking her skin not orgasm.

LOVING is one thing, but orgasm is sex. The loving you're refering to is Agape love. While sexual is Eros love. They can be intertwined, but can also exist seperately.

When I was a kid, listening in on Adult conversation, my mom and her friends talking about their men. There was always disapointment at their mens selfishness, wham, bam, roll over and go to sleep. Lack of interest in HER pleasure. I didn't fully understand it then, but it stuck in my mind. Over the years growing up, I thought back to what I'd heard. It had a huge impact on me in later years.

Sounds like you expect your man to come by it naturally? But no one does. Everyone learns somehow. For some, they learn, and are stiff and robotic in the beginning, but over time, become smooth and natural. Others never get beyond robotic. Depends on how much it means to you. Everyone starts out riding a horse stiffly, those that love it, eventually relax and become smooth, natural. THose that never lose the stiffness usually don't keep it up. Or they ride rarely, and mainly to impress others, to look cool.

>This is something you just have to understand and accept, you can't make a person feel passion.

TRUE. VERY TRUE. They have to know what they need FIRST. They have to know what it takes to feel passionate and sexy. And they don't NEED anyone else for that. YOu can do it all by yourself. We choose to be with a partner, because we like having a partner. Simple as that.

>His desire is exclusely for orgasm purposes only.

Not exactly. It's about much more than just the orgasm. If all I wanted was orgasms and plenty of them, I'd just start screwing mares. I could do it three times a day every day if I went that route, so why don't I? Because it's one sided. Because you can't Snuggle, Kiss, take your time, caress, share, look into her eyes while connected, with a mare. You have to be with a human to enjoy all that.

"If all I wanted was orgasms and plenty of them, I'd just start screwing mares. I could do it three times a day every day"

lol . . now I have this image in my head . . thanks. Besides, have you ever seen a horse dong? Oh, yeah, I guess you have. Ummmmmm . . . . I think she wouldn't be satisfied . . that is unless your hung like a . . .

FC, there's an exception to every rule, of course. But, if you listen to women talking about this, you'll find most of them feel the same way, and that's really pathetic. I could name several men in this here dxp land who talk as though they wouldn't know erotic if it came up and sat on their face, but, I won't. It's sad. Three women just in this thread have suggested this very thing. And, this doesn't happen with any other sign on here, except the Virgo.

That has to mean something. The other signs just bitch about feelings and cheating and stuff. Here, it's always about the male Virgo's not making the women feel loved and that's really, really, really bad for your people.

Kelis,

Sorry your Virgo didn't satisfy. I don't think most men do the first few times out the batter's cage. Nerves, alcohol, other stimuli can wreck the horizontal hussle. I've gotten one or two good ones but both had already been married so they had been well-trained by their women.

>If he comes around again, if he strokes and touches your body, the aim is to get you wanting to have sex with him,

Isn't that the average man? If your clit was six inches long and 2 1/2 inches thick. If you had a LOT of Testosteron flowing thru your body. You'd understand.

>not because you are woman and need to feel soft caresses and tenderness.

Soft caresses and tenderness are for sharing during the day. Little bits of affection to show your mate that you're thinking of them all day long. But for the evening....

Lacking testosterone, lacking a sex organ that "sticks out", gets hard on it's own several times a day, is impossible to ignore. Your clits are very possible to ignore, happens all the time. LOTS of women go thru their whole lives and never even touch it. And then they blame it on MEN. Blame their lack of sexual fun on MEN. When they have no one to blame but themselves.

So yes, men caress a woman to coax her into having sex. But if all they do is wham, bam, roll over and fall asleep. But LOVE you with all their heart. That's enough for some people.

For others, who take their time, make sure their gal is having fun too. Help her along to an orgasm of her own if she wants one. It's about sharing. Having fun TOGETHER.

If you experience even THIS and it's still not enough, you're just with the wrong man... no big deal. So go out and find someone different, LOL.

>This concept escapes the Virgo, they think that caresses is for sex only.

LOL. Again. That's most men isn't it?

">This concept escapes the Virgo, they think that caresses is for sex only.

LOL. Again. That's most men isn't it?"


No, only the ones who don't get it. Men and women have to have different things. Women need caresses all the time, ESPECIALLY when it doesn't lead to sex. In fact, the man who will do this and passionately take their girl in a long, loving kiss, without then groping her parts and getting hard . . get more loving from the woman.

Here's what I mean . . . a man scoops his woman up, kisses her, licks her neck, pulls her close to him, making her think she's the most desired woman in the world . . then, walks away to go open the mail, or, see what's cooking for supper . . is considered a man worth keeping and his woman will devote her entire life to him because he has made her feel wanted - WITHOUT - it becoming sexual.

The other man, scoops his woman up, kisses her, licks her neck, pulls her close to him, making her think she's the most desired woman in the world . . . then gropes her parts, continues to push his hardness against her and sticks his tongue in her mouth and won't let her get back to cooking . . . is considered a man that can be tossed aside without further regard and she won't feel he's worthy of her devoting her life to him because the only time he's frisky and caressing is for sexual purposes.

To love a woman like this and NOT want immediate sex is the keeper in her eyes.

Or, like how this original thread started . . he does her and runs. That's not how a man is supposed to love a woman. A woman could go the rest of her life and not have an orgasm, but, she can't live a single day without feeling desired and wanted by her man.

Unfortunately, the male Virgo can't do this. If he's allowed to put his hands on his woman in any way . . it automatically leads to sex in his eyes. And, that's not every male. In fact, only the Virgo's I've slept with thinks this.

Libra's love to touch . . all over and never go any further than just wanting to stroke his woman because he knows it feels good to her. Cancer's love to cuddle so close that you'd think he's crawling inside of you and never go further into physical sex. Scorpio's too, and Leo's, OMG . . a male Aries can and will spend an entire night touching his woman and never move towards having to have an orgasm.

No, FC . . it's not necessary every male thing . . but, it is every male Virgo.

If he touches you in any way . . the aim then bec

>This concept escapes the Virgo, they think that caresses is for sex only.

Oh yeah, one more comment here... and this is a big one.

Suppose a woman invites a guy to go horseback riding with her. He shows up, and she is already sitting on her horse ready to go. HE asks... where is my horse? She points to the pasture... there.. go get it and tack it up and lets go. But the dude has only ridden at a riding stable, where someone did all the set up work and then he just rode a jaded trail horse at a slow walk for an hour ride... How do you think this date is going to go? NOT WELL.

So why the hell is it always OUR fault? Most of you don't even know what you want to begin with, and certainly don't know what you want sexually let alone how to satisfy yourself! So how are we supposed to know? How in the hell are we supposed to know if you don't TEACH us? We are not mind readers.

So... you're afraid if you start asking us to do this, do that... we'll get mad and leave. GOOD RIDDENCE! There are plenty of men out there who'd LOVE to be taught what to do.

You don't become a horseperson NATURALLY. SOMEONE HAS TO TEACH YOU. You don't become a horse trainer Naturally. Someone has to teach you. Then it takes lots of practice to become good at it.

Back to the original idea in this thread... he felt that he didn't satisfy her, he felt bad and she wanted to know what to do about it. TEACH HIM! Learn something new. Teach him something new. Talk about it. Instead of putting all the blame on him, take some of it yourself. He's not a mind reader, no one is.

becomes sexual . . that's all he then thinks about and not the fact that she is still a woman and desires to feel love without promiscuity.

The men out there who know that . . get laid by their women everyday because the woman then submits any and every time, because she knows he has the desire to love her they way SHE needs . . so, she will then love him the way he needs.

In my exerience, Libra's have been the best at this. Those males fully comprehend how to make a woman feel loved emotionally, without even having to say a word to her. It's in the way he touches her.

>That has to mean something. The other signs just bitch about feelings and cheating and stuff. Here, it's always about the male Virgo's not making the women feel loved and that's really, really, really bad for your people.

Maybe you have something there. I have spent so much time defending myself, that I haven't noticed what was being said about other signs in this reguard. I will look into it.

"Most of you don't even know what you want to begin with, and certainly don't know what you want sexually let alone how to satisfy yourself"

We know exactly what we want. We want our man to lovingly touch us without having to have sex. We know how to satisfy ourselves . .

Now, FC, that doesn't mean we don't like sex. I mean, hell yeah, we like it, we get all hot and horny, too. I'm not saying that.

This Virgo who shagged this Libra woman, on this thread and then bolted because he felt like he didn't satisfy her . . was correct in his thinking and should be off somewhere trying to comprehend how he screwed up.

Here's the thing: he wanted the sex, she gave it to him
she then needed to feel desired, w/o the sex . . where is he?

Not that men don't get scard and run, and, of course, there's the ones who only wanted a one night stand without the woman comprehending that was his purpose. It's in the way the male Virgo touches the woman, or should I say "Lack thereof". It has to be constant and it has to be solely for the purpose of pleasing her womanhood, but, not sexually.

"Your clits are very possible to ignore, happens all the time". They are? OK, I don't have dick but I do have a clit and sorry but it's not possible to ignore, especially if you go horseback riding. All that friction, it's enough drive a woman mad! Let alone having your undies grabbing you the wrong way while you're riding the subway can be beastly. Besides, women do produce small amounts of testosterone. Women are not encouraged to feel good about themselves or their bodies in our society. A gay guy told me once when he was a child his mother told him women's vaginas have teeth. TEETH! For f*ck sakes!

Of course women are reponsible for their pleaure, but if you're gonna get your knob rocked you better bang a gong and get it on too.

FC, I'm sure most men have experienced this scenerio . . .

You're feeling randy and you think by the way she's looking at you, that she's in the mood too, so you slide in next to her on the couch, hold her for a few minutes, touch her hair and tell her she's beautiful, small tears escape from her lids and she whispers, "I love you, baby, but, I'm not in the mood."

What does that mean? What just happened?

Now, the look in her eyes is of contentment and adoration, but, sexually she doesn't want it right now . . yet, you recognized that look, that's why you responded.

What do you think that means? What just happened?

We know what we want. And, we know what you want. But, you have to love us differently then you would another man and until the woman feels loves the way SHE needs to feel love . .

. . . you ain't getting any, it's gonna be a long cold night.

Now, I lived with a Libra who knew how to love a woman and he got it anytime, any place. Sensual, kinky, threesomes . . whatever he wanted . . because he could also and did everyday, know how to give a woman the loving she NEEDS. And that's to touch her all the time, simply for the purpose of knowing it pleases her and makes her feel cherished and wanted.

In our mind, if our man puts his hands on us and we respond sexaully because we know that this is what he is seeking, then . . when she's spent, he leaves her alone . . he's considered a lousy lover, even if he gave her multiple orgasms for hours, because we don't process love that way. The only thing that means is he knows where her parts are and how to use them.

In our minds, we know that the ONLY time he touches us like that is for sexual arousal and women don't process being loved by their man by his sexuality. If this is allowed to happen, then he's lost her.

So, to have a man who's a Virgo . . the woman has to FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE that he love comes in a different form. He's dutiful, respectful, reliable, considerate and just so many things, I can't even begin to name them all. But, passion . . that's up to the partner. Most Virgo's don't last long in a relationship because once their partner realizes this, they stop and test him, and they realize that the expression of desire is not in the desire to make his woman feel like a woman, rather, quickest way possible to get a nut.

Is it obvious that I'm in an odd mood today? lol

"Your clits are very possible to ignore, happens all the time. LOTS of women go thru their whole lives and never even touch it. And then they blame it on MEN. Blame their lack of sexual fun on MEN. When they have no one to blame but themselves."

We don't blame our sexual fun, or lack, on men. What we blame them on is not loving us the way we need . . emotionally, yet, we give it to them they way they need . . sexually.

We know our clits are there, they cannot be ignored and they aren't ignored. It's not about touching our clits, it's not about missing out on sexual fun.

. . it's about this Libra woman who was trying to give this man loving the way he needs it in his maleness, but, when it was his turn to make her feel like a woman . . he dipped.

We have to be held, FC . . that is the answer to the question several posts ago.

The woman who has now decided that she isn't in the mood . . her desire was washed away with the tears that flowed while he held her . . that is her satisfaction . . not her clit being licked, not how big your dick is, not on anything sexual. When her tears flowed out, so did her desire and the person who was holding her while being satisfied is the one she'll be loyal to.

for me love is the expression of just that love; I normally only have sex to express a feeling, or a deep urge I had inside me for a while, to let you know I want you...; I let the passion build, or just jump right in on 'er!! lol!! I think if a person knows you tried, and is damned determined at getting it right, then everything sorta takes care of everything; I want to know what you like, what makes you tick, and tock ya know? But that dosen't stop that 'your terrible!!' from hurting any less, ow....I might avoid touching you for a while; I myself am very cautious about that if that hapens; I'll hold you caress you anyway you like if it let's you know the TRUE way I feel about you I NEED you to know you are loved, and that you are desired to NO END....that's why I let it build up....all that sexual energy to make it explode in COMPLETE HONESTY. I normally want to go for a couple rounds anyway...get a little agressive though....

It scares me to feel so primordially though; I get a little nervous about it, but when I get to 'seduce' or 'tease' a little bit, then I get to grow into this 'new person'....Also I'm not comfortable with a 'virgin'....I need for you to know what you want, and you have to want to explore too...I need a little 'season vet' ya know...but afterwards I might seem a little detached...I might wanna cuddle, or might wanna move about my day; I express in the moment, when it's necessary, and vital....I guess it's just a 'virguy thing' or maybe just a 'guy thing'...

Also, sex is a VEEEEEERY primal act....hard to act like an animal when your sign revolves around the exact opposite; that can make a virguy hesitant; not that he dosen't wanna express, just it's so primordial....I learned to laugh it all off, and just jump in...it's apart of life, and I'd prefer to live it than observe it.

yeah, virgogotme? sounds KEWLLLLLL......

*begins to fantasize all the dirty deeds one can do*

Was just in a mood and talking about feelings.

I'm better now that my V-man came home and laid one on me, lol

Well, actually, it was three, hehehehehehe

Com'on now, aren't I allowed to be moody?

Yes, he had zero . . I got three

Wore his ass out, he has to rest now, but, I'm sure he'll remind me later that I owe him, lol

>We know exactly what we want. We want our man to lovingly touch us without having to have sex.

OK, that is correct.

>We know how to satisfy ourselves . .

ROTFLMAO! Yeah right... there you go generalizing again, LMAO! "calming down"... ok, SOME of you do, but not ALL, not by a longshot.

If a man told me he never masturbates... I'd call him a liar to his face. If a woman told me the same thing... I'd believe her.

>Here's the thing: he wanted the sex, she gave it to him
she then needed to feel desired, w/o the sex . . where is he?

Excuse me? She GAVE it to him? She never said that. Never said she didn't want to ALSO, but just gave into his demands. YOu're putting words into her mouth.

According to the original post... it's been two days since she's heard from him. TWO DAYS. I called my Cappy gal every day for a WEEK and she never returned my calls. OK, we're not having sex, but we were pretty hot and heavy into kissing... apparantly ALL cappys view heavy kissing as... a casual thing... not to be taken seriously... just having fun... FRIENDLY....

The problem I'm having with you at this moment P-Angel, is your blanket coverage.... ALL VIRGOS are "fill in the blank" THAT INCLUDES ME. SO Screw you. Shag off. IF you simply said MOST VIRGOS... I'd say OK. NO problem.

>"Your clits are very possible to ignore, happens all the time". They are? OK, I don't have dick but I do have a clit and sorry but it's not possible to ignore,

HAH, if only that were true of all women. Here's what I've heard time and time again, from women, read about, heard first hand.... When little, all little kids touch "themselves". Parents tend to tell you to STOP IT. DON"T TOUCH YOURSELF! IT"S DIRTY DOWN THERE!. MOST little girls believe their parents... and don't touch themselves again... WHY? Because it's tiny... hidden in the folds of the labia etc... BUT NOT BOYS. BOYS thingy sticks out... it's impossible to ignore. We end up doing it anyway, in secret, despite our parents advice. We feel guilty about it, wonder if it's a sin... but we keep doing it. I'll tell you what happens if a guy never masturbates... even the bible mentions it. Nocturnal emissions. The fluid builds up to the point that your body NEEDs to make room, so you have an erotic dream and you ejaculate the excess fluid. GIRLS don't go thru this.

>Is it obvious that I'm in an odd mood today? lol

NO Shit P-Angel... but I can forgive you, because I like you, even when you've pissed me off

>You're feeling randy and you think by the way she's looking at you, that she's in the mood too, so you slide in next to her on the couch, hold her for a few minutes, touch her hair and tell her she's beautiful, small tears escape from her lids and she whispers, "I love you, baby, but, I'm not in the mood."

Not with me and my Cancer gal. We daily hugged, smootched, pinched eachother, etc... yet only had sex every now and then.... the daily contact was needed by BOTH of us. It makes you smile. Reinforces the love you feel for your mate and the love you feel from them.

You know what else? Books teach it. It's all part of the learning process. It may feel unatural at first for SOME people, but others, take to it like a duck to water. It's why I mentioned the original poster to GET A BOOK. Learn what to do, let him read it, or talk about it.

How the hell do you know if some people come by it naturally? What if they keep it a secret how they learned it? I"M PISSED... here I am being honest and open with you and you're makeing generalizations based on your FEELINGS. SCREW that. YOU don't know how they learned it.... I learned in college... NO ONE comes by it naturally... EVERYONE LEARNS it somehow. Maybe some signs learn it easier... others have to be beat over the head before they learn... but everyone learns.

"here I am being honest and open with you and you're makeing generalizations based on your FEELINGS"

I'm a girl and a Pisces . . feelings is the only thing I know. But, I forgive you too, for yelling at me, lol

Look, I was having a moment and needed to spill everything out.

So, the moral to my rantings was . . I needed to get laid.

Strings, I was just being a female needing lovin, you know how that goes. It's just that usually, I'm not like that. People tend to rely on me to be strong and in control and here I was NOT being aware of myself . . the one thing I preach about.

I love my man and always will. He does me . . he does me so, so, so goooooooood.

Don't be mad at me.

However . . .

I do believe in what I said when I made the claim that women give men the kind of loving they need and women don't always get what they need in return. But, that's just a male/female isssue, not really sign related.

>Uhhhhh, Cly? She shut up over 6 hours ago . . .

I'm sorry... and thanks for speaking up for Virgos SA. After I posted that stuff I had to go out to renew my CDL physical... gotta do my CDL license too before the 31st. So came back, looked up the thread again... and got pissed off.

>I love my man and always will. He does me . . he does me so, so, so goooooooood.

I'm glad to hear it PA... don't put ME in no Sodding box... Don't put ALL virgos in no F'ing box. Tears are coming to my eyes as I type this. I'm very emotional. I NEED touch. EVEN if it doesn't lead to sex... Even if it doesn't lead to orgasm. I NEED to feel loved. Even by my dogs, where there is no sex involved... it's the way they look at me... or the way I THINK they look at me. My horses... it's the way they come to me to be loved up... for me to scratch their usual itchy spots... I NEED THAT. Without it, I'd send them off to someone else who didn't give a sodding god damn.

Maybe many Virgos don't react as I do... maybe it's because they're PUPS, who haven't learned the ways of the world yet... maybe they're late bloomers.... But LAY OFF YOUR BLANKET STATEMENTS... pisses me off. Say MOST... but not ALL... NOT ALL.

"DO VIRGUYS RATE A ZERO IN BED?!?"

Yes, usually . . because it's too boring.

Now, get them on the back porch, or on top of the computer, or . . I love this one . . in the sleeper of his rig . . ouch, it almost literally burns it's so friggin hot.

I guess on a scale of zero to zero, they'd be a zero, lol

Still dancing around the answer?

I have to admit . . not the hottest of all signs, but, not zero either. I'm sorry, but, nobody else could ever match the male ram . . he wins. But, Virgo's aren't zero's, how about 9, or 8 1/2, 8 3/4

See, though, I'm the fish, right? So, can anybody really live up to my expectations. I mean, just listening to FC talk about his animals puts thoughts in my head, lol

>Crap, what would y'all do without me around here?!

Thru red eyes... I smile. I thank the gods for you SA... truely I do.

Hey, my post disappeared.

I'll say again, since the dryer monster stole my post, thanks Strings for referring us, and sorry, FC, for causing tears.

I had some things that I needed to get out. Some of them I believe, some I don't. But, I had to see it here and listen to comments from others to sort it out.

No, I don't believe that Virgo's are zeros. I wouldn't have been married to one for so long if I believed that. I was venting, I apologize.

P-Angle,

It's too bad you have not met a good lover who happens to also be a Virgo. I am surprised you would make a generalization on all Virgos based on your experience. That's a lot of men out there you just wrote off as potentially great lovers.

Perhaps if you didn't have such low expectations, it won't be so unpleasant. Who would want to make love to someone who made up their mind before hand that it will suck?

Believe what you want. Those of us who have all the positive Virgo qualities and have incredible, passionate sex lives will just steer clear of you.

Keli,

Give your man some time to come around. I don't know how old your guy is but the fact he cares more about his performance than your feelings would indicate that he may be emotionally immature. It's rough being with an immature and insecure Virgo, unless you enjoy an emotional project.

>Yes, usually . . because it's too boring.

LMAO... ok, my eyes are still red from the tears... but I'm laughing too. = )

>I mean, just listening to FC talk about his animals puts thoughts in my head, lol

LMAO... some of you Pieces are some mighty sexy critters = )

>No, I don't believe that Virgo's are zeros. I wouldn't have been married to one for so long if I believed that. I was venting, I apologize.

And I to you PA... you KNOW I like you... if you're not sure... I LIKE YOU. I like the way you think... usually, hehe.

LMAO!!! You guys are just too funny today... Thanks for sharing 😉

I think you Virguys rate right up there too - and I see LOTS of potential here LOL!! It can take a while for any couple to get 'synched' in bed - now it starts out is NOT necessarily how it's going to end.

Yup P-Angel, I agree that Virguys can get way too caught up in the mechanics sometimes too but it's kinda like playing music, once you know the techique you can forget all about it and just enjoy the results...

*now = how