Neptune

Posted by LadyNeptune
If we are going to 'fix' one part of the justice system then we must also examine the prison and court system. Reform needs to happen to all.

I don't disagree, but it has to start with the officers on the street forcing citizens through that court system and into prison.

Posted by LadyNeptune
If we are going to 'fix' one part of the justice system then we must also examine the prison and court system. Reform needs to happen to all.

It won’t trickle down it has to be trickle up. Vote people into community level positions and stack the deck.

Having one person in a single position that won’t be listened to won’t help.

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alright I give up.
the cop was a cold blooded racist killer who just hated hated hated that black man.
and all the violence going on today is totally justified. minneanapolis should burn, who cares who dies or gets hurt.

everyone kill everyone else.

nothing's changed in the last 60 years and you're all acting completely independent of news narratives.

I'm done. you win. it's all true

I’m only replying because as I previously admitted, I also used to get very defensive on this topic and used to think a lot like you.

I don’t think the issue is white people hating black people in general...or even white cops hating black people.

The issue is there is obviously a deeply ingrained/subconscious prejudice which is repeatedly influencing these cops’
encounters with black men specifically. They are clearly acting out of fear. There is no proper escalation of force. They are quick to pull the trigger and use excessive force...and more so when it is a black suspect vs a white suspect.

It happens way too often now to try and deny it is racially motivated...and honestly it’s insulting at this point.

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“They are clearly acting out of fear”

In this case specifically the cop in question knew Floyd. They were coworkers. Add to that he wasn’t resisting at all.
How can the cop possibly play the fear card?
This was an individual he knew personally who posed no threat.
To say he acted out of fear is incomprehensible to me.

The man was handcuffed and had 3 officers holding him down. He was the one feeling fear, not the cops.

Everyone knows after 3 minutes without oxygen you lose consciousness. 6 minutes without oxygen your brain dead.
He had his knee on his neck for 8mins with 2 other officers holding him down. It may not have been premeditated but it was intentional.

I’m waiting for more info to emerge but feel strongly that 3rd degree should be changed to 2nd degree murder charge. And the other officers should be charged as accomplices.

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If you're incompetent to communicate effectively, unable to follow policies and procedures and fail to de-escalate a situation, you have to quit your job. Especially if you're directly dealing with the public. Maybe it's possible to retrain and reeducate current officers or maybe implement operant conditioning for them but how is that going to change anything when the foundation of the US police force was partly to keep slaves in line.

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Edit: couldn’t remember the full details here and looked it up.

Turns out they reinstated him specifically so he could finish out the mandatory time needed to qualify to be ‘medically retired’ based on having ptsd for killing Daniel and receive a pension of $ 2500 per month. Wild.

He’s being rewarded $ 30,000 of our tax money every year for murder. And yet there are people rotting in jail because they had some weed on them.

You missed the detail where the guy reached for his waistband, which is what got him killed.

And I suppose you don't believe the police officer really suffered PTSD (cuz we all know they're disposable robots) and I'm assuming you can back that up with something solid and not just your 'gut feeling'?

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Shooting of Daniel Shaver.
The cop who murdered him was prosecuted but found not guilty. He was reinstated to the police department only 8 months after his trial.

He reached for his waistband. Not a good move. It's unfortunate but I agree with the verdict. You don't?

What would you have done if you have someone at gunpoint potentially reaching for something that could have you killed in fraction of a second?

Most idiots cannot comprehend or process in their minds that as a police officer, you have to expect to be shot at every call you take. You are called out to situations most ppl run from. Underestimating any given situation may get you killed.

They see stuff ranging from bottom to the absolute worst of the humanity pretty much every day.

Ultimately it's the human factor at play. How can you expect a civilian to follow simple instructions if he's scared butterless? At the same time, I have understanding that these guys want to get home alive aswell. No job's worth dying for.