Do you punish people?

My aqua friend told me he's "testing" our other friend, they had an argument (she was annoyed he wasn't taking her seriously, because he's a joker). He said " now I'm only showing her my serious side, that's what she wanted.. I want to see how she act
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  • Smidge
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    Posted by Seleukos
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    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    No.
    Protecting ourselves and/or dodging emotional projections isn't evil.
    It's mere self-respect and self-preservation.
    It can be harsh for the other person but in the end it's a possibility for them to reflect upon themselves.
    We are also, mostly, there for them if those people want work on those things and willing to help if we can.
    Except they crossed our personal rubicon or hurt us. Then we put them in the purgatory for a while.
    At least the ones i know.


    Oh well, in that case, thank you so much for helping us overcome our "problems" almighty aquarius. Please continue punishing us, we need to change.

    Mhm. Yup.


    i might be wrong but you appear to be emotionally biased.
    therefore i try to be more clear.

    1. i stated explicitly that this a kind dodging mechanism. everybody and every sign has some of those kinds. some get angry, some start to argue and others try to pull the joker of morality to mask their egoistical motives. it happens. it is neither good or bad. it is, in essence, just our natur as human beings.

    2.if a projection fails and the person is deprived of what she instinctively tried to achieve the projection is bound to bounce back sooner or later. it is nothing the other person is actively doing. this is also completly unrelated to aquarians.

    3. us helping people who have realized or recognized their projections has nothing to do with arrogance as you appear to be insinuating here. btw. by helping i mean talking with them about it which i wouldn't call a specific aquarian trait but more one of a normal decent human being.

    as for the example you used in your opening statement.
    he didn't take her seriously.
    she got upset about it.
    now he only and exclusively shows/treats her seriously. a.k.a. her gave her what she wanted.
    which appears to have upset her, again.

    i get why the word punished was used but i think it is misleading in this context.
    example:
    1. someone wants to join the army.
    2. another person doesn't allow this or prevents this a.k.a doesn't take this request completly serious.
    3. the person who wants to join insists and makes a scene.
    4. the so far preventing person gives in and gives that person what she wants.
    5. that person joins the army and gets killed in battle.
    this is the order and logic of the case you presented.

    the question now is: did the person who allowed the other to join the army punish said person?
    i'm inclined to say no because it was just a consistent consequence of what the person wished for.

    he gave her what she wanted and now she is mad at him because she got what she asked for.
    i fail to see how this can be considered evil or maniplutive.
    this could only be the case if the case has hidden parameters you didn't tell us or are oblivious about.


    Well, the conversation she was having with him was a serious conversation, to do with personal issues. Now he is ONLY being serious with her, even when the topic of conversation isn't serious, no matter her efforts to joke with him, he shuts it down.

    So it's not really similar to your army story. It's more like, somebody wants to join the army, the other person screams at them and makes them do push ups while they're trying to eat their breakfast


    which could be seen as a natural part of the training/conditoning process of a soldier.

    but nitpicking aside.
    thats why i said there must be more to it for both sides.
    both sides might still have emotional entaglements or projections going on.
    maybe he was/felt hurt by her rejection of him trying to lighten the mood or they have history when it comes to this discussion and he just got annoyed by her.
    in either case one of the point i already mentiond would be present and such a behaviour might be petty and pointless but thats what humans do.
    sure it isn't helpful regarding the situation but it isn't evil, just human.
    aquas are humans too and can feel hurt and act irrationally like everybody else.
    maybe she should just aks him what went wrong and if she might have offended him in some way.



    You seem to have a taken me calling aquas evil seriously, that was a joke.

    Anyway, yeah he was offended for sure, that was obvious as soon as he started explaining the issue. Imo, he needed to be told, and she told him, he didn't like it and decided to punish her.
    I was speaking to him again recently and he said " don't worry, I'm going to stop before Christmas, I don't want to leave on bad terms"

    I just shook my head at him.


    you can rest assured. i didn't take it seriously but thanks for clarifying anyways.
    my digression on the problematic use of moral trems in such cases was more of an general musing because i had that kind of discussion for a few times now and just wanted to make myself as clear as possible.

    thats what i thought. sure, such an behaviour is somewhat pointless but it is quite possible both learn from that incident and act better and more cool-headed next time.
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    You're right, I think they will both learn something. But I think he'll learn he can get his own way. He got the reaction he wanted, he's pleased with himself. He successfully taught her a lesson.
    I just don't think I agree with that lol.
    He just laughs everytime I argue against it though, so meh.
  • Smidge
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    Posted by Seleukos
    Posted by Smidge
    Posted by Seleukos
    Posted by Smidge
    Posted by Seleukos
    Posted by Smidge
    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    No.
    Protecting ourselves and/or dodging emotional projections isn't evil.
    It's mere self-respect and self-preservation.
    It can be harsh for the other person but in the end it's a possibility for them to reflect upon themselves.
    We are also, mostly, there for them if those people want work on those things and willing to help if we can.
    Except they crossed our personal rubicon or hurt us. Then we put them in the purgatory for a while.
    At least the ones i know.


    Oh well, in that case, thank you so much for helping us overcome our "problems" almighty aquarius. Please continue punishing us, we need to change.

    Mhm. Yup.


    i might be wrong but you appear to be emotionally biased.
    therefore i try to be more clear.

    1. i stated explicitly that this a kind dodging mechanism. everybody and every sign has some of those kinds. some get angry, some start to argue and others try to pull the joker of morality to mask their egoistical motives. it happens. it is neither good or bad. it is, in essence, just our natur as human beings.

    2.if a projection fails and the person is deprived of what she instinctively tried to achieve the projection is bound to bounce back sooner or later. it is nothing the other person is actively doing. this is also completly unrelated to aquarians.

    3. us helping people who have realized or recognized their projections has nothing to do with arrogance as you appear to be insinuating here. btw. by helping i mean talking with them about it which i wouldn't call a specific aquarian trait but more one of a normal decent human being.

    as for the example you used in your opening statement.
    he didn't take her seriously.
    she got upset about it.
    now he only and exclusively shows/treats her seriously. a.k.a. her gave her what she wanted.
    which appears to have upset her, again.

    i get why the word punished was used but i think it is misleading in this context.
    example:
    1. someone wants to join the army.
    2. another person doesn't allow this or prevents this a.k.a doesn't take this request completly serious.
    3. the person who wants to join insists and makes a scene.
    4. the so far preventing person gives in and gives that person what she wants.
    5. that person joins the army and gets killed in battle.
    this is the order and logic of the case you presented.

    the question now is: did the person who allowed the other to join the army punish said person?
    i'm inclined to say no because it was just a consistent consequence of what the person wished for.

    he gave her what she wanted and now she is mad at him because she got what she asked for.
    i fail to see how this can be considered evil or maniplutive.
    this could only be the case if the case has hidden parameters you didn't tell us or are oblivious about.


    Well, the conversation she was having with him was a serious conversation, to do with personal issues. Now he is ONLY being serious with her, even when the topic of conversation isn't serious, no matter her efforts to joke with him, he shuts it down.

    So it's not really similar to your army story. It's more like, somebody wants to join the army, the other person screams at them and makes them do push ups while they're trying to eat their breakfast


    which could be seen as a natural part of the training/conditoning process of a soldier.

    but nitpicking aside.
    thats why i said there must be more to it for both sides.
    both sides might still have emotional entaglements or projections going on.
    maybe he was/felt hurt by her rejection of him trying to lighten the mood or they have history when it comes to this discussion and he just got annoyed by her.
    in either case one of the point i already mentiond would be present and such a behaviour might be petty and pointless but thats what humans do.
    sure it isn't helpful regarding the situation but it isn't evil, just human.
    aquas are humans too and can feel hurt and act irrationally like everybody else.
    maybe she should just aks him what went wrong and if she might have offended him in some way.

    click to expand


    You seem to have a taken me calling aquas evil seriously, that was a joke.

    Anyway, yeah he was offended for sure, that was obvious as soon as he started explaining the issue. Imo, he needed to be told, and she told him, he didn't like it and decided to punish her.
    I was speaking to him again recently and he said " don't worry, I'm going to stop before Christmas, I don't want to leave on bad terms"

    I just shook my head at him.
  • Smidge
    ASC~cancer | SUN~aries | MOON~virgo
    Posted by Seleukos
    Posted by Smidge
    Posted by Seleukos
    Posted by Smidge
    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    No.
    Protecting ourselves and/or dodging emotional projections isn't evil.
    It's mere self-respect and self-preservation.
    It can be harsh for the other person but in the end it's a possibility for them to reflect upon themselves.
    We are also, mostly, there for them if those people want work on those things and willing to help if we can.
    Except they crossed our personal rubicon or hurt us. Then we put them in the purgatory for a while.
    At least the ones i know.


    Oh well, in that case, thank you so much for helping us overcome our "problems" almighty aquarius. Please continue punishing us, we need to change.

    Mhm. Yup.


    i might be wrong but you appear to be emotionally biased.
    therefore i try to be more clear.

    1. i stated explicitly that this a kind dodging mechanism. everybody and every sign has some of those kinds. some get angry, some start to argue and others try to pull the joker of morality to mask their egoistical motives. it happens. it is neither good or bad. it is, in essence, just our natur as human beings.

    2.if a projection fails and the person is deprived of what she instinctively tried to achieve the projection is bound to bounce back sooner or later. it is nothing the other person is actively doing. this is also completly unrelated to aquarians.

    3. us helping people who have realized or recognized their projections has nothing to do with arrogance as you appear to be insinuating here. btw. by helping i mean talking with them about it which i wouldn't call a specific aquarian trait but more one of a normal decent human being.

    as for the example you used in your opening statement.
    he didn't take her seriously.
    she got upset about it.
    now he only and exclusively shows/treats her seriously. a.k.a. her gave her what she wanted.
    which appears to have upset her, again.

    i get why the word punished was used but i think it is misleading in this context.
    example:
    1. someone wants to join the army.
    2. another person doesn't allow this or prevents this a.k.a doesn't take this request completly serious.
    3. the person who wants to join insists and makes a scene.
    4. the so far preventing person gives in and gives that person what she wants.
    5. that person joins the army and gets killed in battle.
    this is the order and logic of the case you presented.

    the question now is: did the person who allowed the other to join the army punish said person?
    i'm inclined to say no because it was just a consistent consequence of what the person wished for.

    he gave her what she wanted and now she is mad at him because she got what she asked for.
    i fail to see how this can be considered evil or maniplutive.
    this could only be the case if the case has hidden parameters you didn't tell us or are oblivious about.
    click to expand


    Well, the conversation she was having with him was a serious conversation, to do with personal issues. Now he is ONLY being serious with her, even when the topic of conversation isn't serious, no matter her efforts to joke with him, he shuts it down.

    So it's not really similar to your army story. It's more like, somebody wants to join the army, the other person screams at them and makes them do push ups while they're trying to eat their breakfast
  • Smidge
    ASC~cancer | SUN~aries | MOON~virgo
    Posted by AerialView
    Posted by Smidge
    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    If we are evil than other signs must be evilllllllllllllllllllllll
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    Nah mate.
  • AerialView
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    Posted by Smidge
    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    If we are evil than other signs must be evilllllllllllllllllllllll
  • Smidge
    ASC~cancer | SUN~aries | MOON~virgo
    Posted by Seleukos
    Posted by Smidge
    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    No.
    Protecting ourselves and/or dodging emotional projections isn't evil.
    It's mere self-respect and self-preservation.
    It can be harsh for the other person but in the end it's a possibility for them to reflect upon themselves.
    We are also, mostly, there for them if those people want work on those things and willing to help if we can.
    Except they crossed our personal rubicon or hurt us. Then we put them in the purgatory for a while.
    At least the ones i know.
    click to expand


    Oh well, in that case, thank you so much for helping us overcome our "problems" almighty aquarius. Please continue punishing us, we need to change.

    Mhm. Yup.
  • Posted by Smidge
    My aqua friend told me he's "testing" our other friend, they had an argument (she was annoyed he wasn't taking her seriously, because he's a joker).

    He said " now I'm only showing her my serious side, that's what she wanted.. I want to see how she acts now" (something along those lines)
    I replied " you're punishing her", he pondered that and then agreed.
    The other friend is really upset, and he knows this, but it's almost like he's happy about that.

    Tha fack!
    Is this a common tactic for you guys? It's awful


    You have a choice to cause damage which eventually backfire. It's your decision but definitely not wise. If can't be pleasant don't be unpleasant. Showing off power is sign of weakness
  • Not liking to see other people happy is f up though. Seriously, what’s wrong with people these days lol
  • Posted by Smidge
    So we came to the conclusion aquas are evil, right?


    I Think an Aqua will laugh at this if u askcthem in person n like.... * nahhhh * with those sneaky eyes hahahaa
  • Posted by Capmercury87
    Posted by saweetz1988
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Haha totally an aqua thing.
    I play with people the same way but its not because I want results its because I'm bored of them being crappy friends so I might as well leave laughing.
    I as an aqua enjoy being happy around those "friends" that thought they could make me jealous, then they end up getting jealous because I'm happy...they end up miserable and I go home happy.
    I only do this to people I have lost respect for, so you have to have lost my respect, my friendship and my whole heart to get this treatment.
    Or if they hate my humor ill get everyone of their friends in on my humor because I know the more people are happier, laughing and having a good time it kills the person.
    I feel all in all based on how crappy the friend is, they would act childish about it anyways whether or not its deliberate so really what's going on is we are painting your picture for you with your own true nasty colors.
    You dug that hole yourself.

    WHAT The hell is ur moon. lol u sound like a Scorpio IMAo

    I have a Pisces moon.
    I avoid Scorpios like the plague
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    I thought Pisces mooners are nice Tongue Tongue it’s ok I get you. 1 year dealing with one, enough for me to know how water mooners r like. Hehe
  • aquasnoz
    chaotically organised
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Posted by aquasnoz
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Posted by aquasnoz
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Posted by saweetz1988
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Haha totally an aqua thing.
    I play with people the same way but its not because I want results its because I'm bored of them being crappy friends so I might as well leave laughing.
    I as an aqua enjoy being happy around those "friends" that thought they could make me jealous, then they end up getting jealous because I'm happy...they end up miserable and I go home happy.
    I only do this to people I have lost respect for, so you have to have lost my respect, my friendship and my whole heart to get this treatment.
    Or if they hate my humor ill get everyone of their friends in on my humor because I know the more people are happier, laughing and having a good time it kills the person.
    I feel all in all based on how crappy the friend is, they would act childish about it anyways whether or not its deliberate so really what's going on is we are painting your picture for you with your own true nasty colors.
    You dug that hole yourself.

    WHAT The hell is ur moon. lol u sound like a Scorpio IMAo

    I have a Pisces moon.
    I avoid Scorpios like the plague


    what your chart, this interes5ts me


    Pisces moon
    Pisces rising
    Cap venus in retrograde
    Sag mars
    Cap mercury


    Calling the Sag mars here! But yeah no I agree, Aquarius to test for sure but I don't understand why people have an issue with it because we all do it anyway.

    Sorry I was curious because I don't meet a lot of aqua/pisces + cap merc combos out there

    I wouldn't call it a test exactly cause its just a pull of true colors, no results except true colors.
    You have a Pisces moon too?
    I kinda grew up and went to a school where people hated that I was happy all the time, I was even told by a friend once that she hated that I came back because she was just starting to gain the spot light, it was never about being the center of attention for me I just love to luagh with people and people were drawn to that.
    There are multiple scenarios like this, so I just like to rub it in because not liking others to be happy is an extremely negative trait to have.
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    Yep pisces moon too! cept pisces venus/mars to boot. I definitely feel you on sharing happiness and laughing with people. Most pisces moon tend to be great evaluaters/feelers of the intentions of others because that's just how we do it.

    So in that sense I think testing with us is much different to say a double aqua or air dominant charts where they might be more likely to try and get a rise out of someone (and they probably do it unintentionally as well). That's why I said I let them punish themselves, I see no effort with people I dislike either, if we stay true to ourselves the the other person continues to be crappy they'll out themselves pretty quickly.
  • Smidge
    ASC~cancer | SUN~aries | MOON~virgo
    Posted by beautifulsoul74
    No


    I meeeean, kinda looks that way. 😬
  • aquasnoz
    chaotically organised
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Posted by aquasnoz
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Posted by saweetz1988
    Posted by Capmercury87
    Haha totally an aqua thing.
    I play with people the same way but its not because I want results its because I'm bored of them being crappy friends so I might as well leave laughing.
    I as an aqua enjoy being happy around those "friends" that thought they could make me jealous, then they end up getting jealous because I'm happy...they end up miserable and I go home happy.
    I only do this to people I have lost respect for, so you have to have lost my respect, my friendship and my whole heart to get this treatment.
    Or if they hate my humor ill get everyone of their friends in on my humor because I know the more people are happier, laughing and having a good time it kills the person.
    I feel all in all based on how crappy the friend is, they would act childish about it anyways whether or not its deliberate so really what's going on is we are painting your picture for you with your own true nasty colors.
    You dug that hole yourself.

    WHAT The hell is ur moon. lol u sound like a Scorpio IMAo

    I have a Pisces moon.
    I avoid Scorpios like the plague


    what your chart, this interests me


    Pisces moon
    Pisces rising
    Cap venus in retrograde
    Sag mars
    Cap mercury
    click to expand


    Calling the Sag mars here! But yeah no I agree, Aquarius to test for sure but I don't understand why people have an issue with it because we all do it anyway.

    Sorry I was curious because I don't meet a lot of aqua/pisces + cap merc combos out there
  • beautifulsoul74
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