I'm conflicted

yesterday was my best friend Shannon's birthday. she is the aquarius with scorpio moon. we had a birthday party for her.

anyway she is dating a pisces right now.

there is a girl we all know, but not very close too, she is a virgo, who attended the party as well.

i saw the pisces and the virgo arguing. i thought he was going to hit her. Shannon was to busy having a good time. she didnt notice. the pisces yelled get away from me. then she walked off.

that made me curious. so about 45 minutes later i see them over in the corner arguing again. this time i stood near the bar to listen.

she said, "i know you not in love with her, otherwise we wouldnt have did what we did as many times and places that we did."

he told her to shut the fuck up ..then he walked away.

now see, i dont think thats enough evidence to go tell Shannon that her bf is stepping out on her with this troll. my gem bff is fired up and ready to blab because she hates the guy anyway. plus she heard their first argument, which the same thing was discussed.

what do you guys think?

stay out of it. it will resolve itself on it's own. if you want, talk to shannon's boyfriend about it, but not shannon.

If it were me, i would dig out the real truth any way possible and then tell my friend all about it. If i was shannon, i know i would be angry if my friends knew all along that i was being cheated and kept it a secret. Find the grit and tell, its her choice what she does after. Why would u let your friend waste her time with a loser?

As an aqua/scorp myself i know how much i hate secrets, especially secrets kept to me by ppl who claim to love me- that i cant forgive. Scorp mooners are strong and can take anything, even cold hard truth. The only thing they hate more than the pain caused by the truth is being left in the dark. If u know something i dont, tell me no matter how bad u think it is, i can take it and i will love u for it. Thats just my pov as an aqua with a scorpio moon. She is no wimp, believe me

she is very strong. but if i tell her something like this, i just want more than what i have. thats what i was telling my gem friend. if i stay out of it and the shit hit the fan. she would be on fire if she knew that we knew about it. and she has told us before, " if you are sure that my man is scum, you better tell me."

but im not comfortable doing that with just what i heard. i need more. because i know what is going to happen when i do tell her. she is gonna go ballistic. i dont want that to happen and im not sure.

so i have to investigate.

Posted by LittleAquanot
Oh, geez...that's a toughie.

If I knew that my best friend's boyfriend was cheating on her, I would tell. No questions asked. I feel that to be my duty as a friend and, I expect my friends to look out for me just the same.

The problem here is it's unclear whether he cheated or not.

I agree with Watercup. I would do a little investigating to find out what the truth is. If, after doing a little detective work, you have good reason to believe he cheated, then let your friend know.



How long have they been dating?

they have been together for 2 years.

Two years too long if he is really a swine. She'll go insane alright, but not at u, at the two headed snake. God im getting pissed thinking about it. Argh. Get your coat Sherlock and get to work

Posted by LittleAquanot
Two years? Yeah...suspect.

I was trying to rationalize in my mind that maybe they had just starting dating and the Virgo was someone the Pisces was seeing prior to him hooking up with your friend. And, maybe the Virgo was just being territorial and was "fighting for her man" so to speak. But, if your friend has been with him for two years, I am even more inclined to believe he cheated. I doubt they would be having heated arguments over sexual escapades that happened over two years ago. Unless, the Virgo is as whacked out as that lady Watercup mentioned in her "Eye for an Eye" thread...who couldn't get over a high school romance. ...Lol...

Keep us posted. I'm curious!

yes definitely suspect...my gem friend is her now telling me he is a cheating lying bastard and we need to make our move and tell her. but i still want more than a heated conversation.

that is true, they wouldnt be arguing over something that happened years ago.

there is something else we are trying to figure out....we forgot how she even got in our circle in the first place...LOL.

Something similar happened to me with the libra. I spent two and a half years of my life living with James Bond (double life), he was married in his country (pakistan). His friend and also my friend, Shahid, knew about it and kept it from me. His girlfriend at the time, found a stash of photos, letters etc that my boyfriend hid at their place and she showed them to me. I was glad she did it instead of trying to 'protect' me. I got rid of the boyfriend and him too for being an accomplice, i still talk to Shirley sometimes. Snakes!!!

Posted by WaterCup
Two years too long if he is really a swine. She'll go insane alright, but not at u, at the two headed snake. God im getting pissed thinking about it. Argh. Get your coat Sherlock and get to work

thats what i'm saying because when she found out that libra cheated on her after 5 years, then...he ran her credit card up to $ 1500 buying him and his ex stuff...i didnt even recognize her. she had this look in her eyes, i could swear her blue eyes turned navy for about a week.

i didnt know why she asked me, what acid will erode metal instantly and where can she get it. i found out that night, she put holes in his car...then she told me my bail money is in my nightstand.



i have to be sure.

@aquaj, her relationship is ruined already if he cheats. Rather chem be amputated from her life by being honest than by being a pussy. If her cheating man is worth more than her friends, thats her baby to carry. At least chem would feel free, secret s can be binding to the person carrying them.

Posted by aquaj
You never know with women. She may hate you for telling her and ruining her relationship because once you tell her it obligates her to action. I've seen it happen.

i've seen it happen with my mom too. she told her friend that her husband was sleeping with another friend. her friend stop talking to her. that was 10 years ago. my mom found out that her friend and the woman that cheated with her husband are still friends. i can see the sadness on my moms face.
so you do have a point. i have to consider all of this.

But the friend is a scorpio moon and believe me she would looove to know. Total and complete honesty is what we value more than anything. We would do that for u and we expect the same. Chem, if she found out u knew, she'll regard u as a traitor and u'll be cut off.

The woman who remained friends with the other woman her husband cheated with is a retard. Who in their right mind does that? Unless her strategy is to keep enemies closer, if not then its a foolish move. They'll do it again if they never stopped.

Remember what Julius Ceasar said to Brutus- " Et tu Brute (u too Brutus)". He must have been a lunar scorp. Being betrayed, even if out of love is unforgiven.

im really sad about this you guys. i really am 😢 i really do hope this turns our to be a big misunderstanding.

oh the gem knows she is tactless and has diarrhea of the mouth, that is why she is here and wants me to do it. LOL

i'm in luck the pisces birthday is on the 20th. she wants me to distract him on wednesday, so she can meet with his friends to plan the party.

the virgo is Shannon's work friend. so that mystery is solved. thats how she got in our circle.

the gem, shannon, and the cap work at the same place. so the cap is going to take care of getting the info from the virgo.

the investigation begins. 😢

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Posted by WaterCup
Remember what Julius Ceasar said to Brutus- " Et tu Brute (u too Brutus)". He must have been a lunar scorp. Being betrayed, even if out of love is unforgiven.

I don't know, I'm not a Scorp moon (lol), I think there are worse things than having a few secrets kept from you. I wouldn't cut my friend out of my life if I found out she'd kept a big secret from me. I would look at her motivations.

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oh it pretty cut and dry with those scorps and scorp moons. one act of what they believe is treason your out.

U know what aquaj? I despise ppl who think that im weak, but i despise even more, ppl that are weak. I dont want them near me. By keeping things from me, it means that u think im weak and cant handle it. Ur weak for just being stupid and think that im weak. Its all about having balls with a scorpio moon, do it even if it hurts, get it over and done with. Maybe she is different, but i know i cant stand faffing- go for the jagular or get lost.

Posted by WaterCup
U know what aquaj? I despise ppl who think that im weak, but i despise even more, ppl that are weak. I dont want them near me. By keeping things from me, it means that u think im weak and cant handle it. Ur weak for just being stupid and think that im weak. Its all about having balls with a scorpio moon, do it even if it hurts, get it over and done with. Maybe she is different, but i know i cant stand faffing- go for the jagular or get lost.

yup she is the same.

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Posted by WaterCup
U know what aquaj? I despise ppl who think that im weak, but i despise even more, ppl that are weak. I dont want them near me. By keeping things from me, it means that u think im weak and cant handle it. Ur weak for just being stupid and think that im weak. Its all about having balls with a scorpio moon, do it even if it hurts, get it over and done with. Maybe she is different, but i know i cant stand faffing- go for the jagular or get lost.

Ummmm so yeah I'm a Pisces moon. So I am definitely weak and forgiving. It's supposed to be modified a bit with all of this fixed energy and a trine to Pluto (Hades moon), but all it really does is make me weak and forgiving... and quietly, privately vindictive (as we discussed on the other thread).

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hey i have a pisces moon, we are not weak 😛

Posted by WaterCup
Chem, if she found out u knew, she'll regard u as a traitor and u'll be cut off.

The woman who remained friends with the other woman her husband cheated with is a retard. Who in their right mind does that? Unless her strategy is to keep enemies closer, if not then its a foolish move. They'll do it again if they never stopped.

that is why im making sure watercup.

yea i dont understand my mom's friend. but i told her she is better off.

@op: OMG! Yeah I agree with watercup. Do some research and let her know. I would be pissed if my friends knew and didn't tell me.

My best friend is an aqua and she called me and told me that my ex asked her out on new year's eve. Now I know from my ex's mouth that he's been fuc*ing other girls. I don't care. I told him to wear a condom and have fun. NOW him trying to hook up with my friend is bs. I went off on him. He was like oh dude I thought you didn't love me anymore. It's none of your business who I stick it in. I said you're right fuc* the world I do not care at all, but when your winky touches my friends yeah I have a problem with that. There are plenty of chicks you could go there with, so why my friend?

Anywho I loved my aqua friend even more that she told me that. She didn't think he was trying to get laid just go out and have drinks. I otherwise know better. My cancer ex is manipulative and would do anything to hurt me since I don't have feelings for him, anymore. That's the only feelings I could have for him is anger.

Sorry I went on a sidebar, but it does relate to the subject a bit.

I say get your pettycoat. You've got a case, Sherlock. Where's Homles?

"i didnt know why she asked me, what acid will erode metal instantly and where can she get it. i found out that night, she put holes in his car...then she told me my bail money is in my nightstand."


Bahahaha I like this girl!!!

Posted by tbird
@op: OMG! Yeah I agree with watercup. Do some research and let her know. I would be pissed if my friends knew and didn't tell me.

My best friend is an aqua and she called me and told me that my ex asked her out on new year's eve. Now I know from my ex's mouth that he's been fuc*ing other girls. I don't care. I told him to wear a condom and have fun. NOW him trying to hook up with my friend is bs. I went off on him. He was like oh dude I thought you didn't love me anymore. It's none of your business who I stick it in. I said you're right fuc* the world I do not care at all, but when your winky touches my friends yeah I have a problem with that. There are plenty of chicks you could go there with, so why my friend?

Anywho I loved my aqua friend even more that she told me that. She didn't think he was trying to get laid just go out and have drinks. I otherwise know better. My cancer ex is manipulative and would do anything to hurt me since I don't have feelings for him, anymore. That's the only feelings I could have for him is anger.

Sorry I went on a sidebar, but it does relate to the subject a bit.

I say get your pettycoat. You've got a case, Sherlock. Where's Homles?

that jerk! how dare he do that? he deserves a kick in the balls.

Posted by tbird
"i didnt know why she asked me, what acid will erode metal instantly and where can she get it. i found out that night, she put holes in his car...then she told me my bail money is in my nightstand."


Bahahaha I like this girl!!!

yes i love her, we have been friends since we were 8 years old.

Posted by WaterCup
If it were me, i would dig out the real truth any way possible and then tell my friend all about it. If i was shannon, i know i would be angry if my friends knew all along that i was being cheated and kept it a secret. Find the grit and tell, its her choice what she does after. Why would u let your friend waste her time with a loser?

^ i agree. ur basically a witness to his (possible) cheating. n she's ur best friend, y wouldn't u saying something?! yeah, there's always two sides to every story and sometimes things aren't as what they seem, but any kind of sign or indication that your best friend is being fucked over by her boyfriend is girl code for you to say something -- ALWAYS. it's girl code, sister code -- BEST FRIEND CODE. period. that's what having someone's back is all about. i'd be pissed if my bff's didn't tell me and that's almost like a potential end to the friendship. b/c it's understandable for an acquaintance to not want to get involved, but for a best friend to NOT say something is fucked up and disloyal. it's like ur saying, "i know your getting fucked over and idc to tell u". even if u were to say "well i didn't want to get involved", so it's basically like u were thinking of urself before the needs of ur best friend @ a time u knew something was going on behind her back. do the right thing 🙂

hope this insight helped and keep us posted! i want to know what happens! good luck! 😉

Posted by chemengin
she has told us before, " if you are sure that my man is scum, you better tell me."

but im not comfortable doing that with just what i heard. i need more. because i know what is going to happen when i do tell her. she is gonna go ballistic. i dont want that to happen and im not sure.

so i have to investigate.

well there u go. so u know u have to tell her. if u do try to investigate more and aren't able to dig anything up after awhile, i still think u should approach her w/ wut u do have. n just explain that u don't know if it necessarily means he's cheating but this is jst wut u witnessed, etc. n if she wants to know y u didn't tell her right away (b/c that's wut i'd personally want to know lol), then say u were jst trying to find out more so u could confront her w/ more info. eeek! i hope u find out soon so u can tell her already lol

Posted by WaterCup
Two years too long if he is really a swine. She'll go insane alright, but not at u, at the two headed snake. God im getting pissed thinking about it. Argh. Get your coat Sherlock and get to work

me too! grrrr. man if that were me, i would've confronted both the virgo and pisces right then and there. like no one messes w/ my best friend like that!!!!

Posted by aquaj
I think you should leave the Gemini to do it. That way if your friend doesn't react how you THINK she's going to, it's not you she cuts out of her life.

wow that's kind of fucked up. they're all best friends. so u would rather have her look out for herself and let the aqua bff be mad at the gemini bff and be the one who potentially gets "cut out"? no offense, but that's just wrong and selfish. there's not supposed to be any fending off for oneself in friendships. it's supposes to be where everyone's down for each other.

Posted by chemengin
i didnt know why she asked me, what acid will erode metal instantly and where can she get it. i found out that night, she put holes in his car...then she told me my bail money is in my nightstand.



i have to be sure.

OMG. i LOVE that! hahaha. is this the aqua bff? damn she's a boss lol

Posted by LittleAquanot

Posted by aquaj
You never know with women. She may hate you for telling her and ruining her relationship because once you tell her it obligates her to action. I've seen it happen.

I've seen this happen as well. But, based on what chemengin has shared about her friend, I think she would be in the clear if or when she decided to spill the beans.

I think women friends should definitely cover the subject at some point in their friendship: "If your boyfriend or husband was cheating on you, would you want to know?" Some people would rather stay in the dark and live in ignorant bliss.

I have personally been in a situation where I told a good friend that her husband was cheating. This was some years ago. Saw him at a club making out with and, eventually leaving with another woman. She decided to take him back and, things were strained for a while because she felt I may judge her for doing so. I confronted her on her distance and explained to her that her decision was none of my business. I simply brought her the information because I felt that was my duty as a good friend. To have that uncomfortable conversation for her well-being. Our relationship improved once she understood that I wouldn't judge her for staying. She did eventually end up leaving him though. Because, come to find out, he was getting it in with every willing woman within the tri-state area.

I think the fear of being judged for staying is what ruins friendships in these situations.

With that said--Chem--if your Gem friend gets involved, I would advice that she simply relay the information and, refrain from making judgmental commentary. It may come back to bite her.

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i don't get y women would get upset w/ friends for telling them important info like that. i respect their wishes tho and i know some women would prefer to not know, but i think by u telling her regardless was a loyal move. i would do the same, and whatever they choose to do w/ that info is on them. but i totally agree, maybe having that disclaimer w/ some women might be important. "would u want me to tell u?". i just always thought it was an unspoken rule lol

Posted by WaterCup
But the friend is a scorpio moon and believe me she would looove to know. Total and complete honesty is what we value more than anything. We would do that for u and we expect the same. Chem, if she found out u knew, she'll regard u as a traitor and u'll be cut off.

The woman who remained friends with the other woman her husband cheated with is a retard. Who in their right mind does that? Unless her strategy is to keep enemies closer, if not then its a foolish move. They'll do it again if they never stopped.

^ good point. who not better to relate? ur the same as chem's bff (aqua sun, scorp moon). n i agree 100% . hopefully she tells her. im anxious just waiting lol

Posted by LittleAquanot
Hey now! There is nothing weak about forgiveness. Forgiveness is a beautiful thing. I think it is the mark of an evolved spirit, as long as it doesn't turn self-destructive. That seems to be the catch with Pisces energy. Forgiveness to the point of self-destruction. Honestly, I think it is admirable that you look to people's motivations versus their actions to determine their level of culpability. I do that as well. Well...most of the time. Lol.

I will say though, I would be angry if a friend of mine knew my significant other was cheating on me and, didn't tell me. That she would let me sit there looking stupid while everyone but me knew my relationship was a lie. I would wonder how she could let me just sit there and look stupid like that? Knowing this man may be bringing STDs home to me? Knowing I'm all in love with someone who doesn't respect me? To just let me be deceived like that? I would be so livid. I would most likely forgive her eventually (Pisces Moon...lol). But, I don't know if our friendship would ever really be the same. Because, in the back of my mind, I would always wonder if I could count on her to look out for me if looking out for me would put her in an uncomfortable position.

forgiveness isn't weak. it's the not having the balls to saying anything that is lol

LOL @ the acid part, i missed that. Im not like that though, my revenge is to totally remove u from my life. Im not thuggish, lol. But a list of bad things i would love to do to u play in my mind. I would have been sitting at deathrow if i followed through on any of my thoughts. I dont want a record on my name so i play chicken. To think of it, im doing them a favour by cutting them off instead of cutting them up. Lmao

And i dont think ppl who forgive are weak, i think they are the stronger ones, but sadly forgiveness is a trait i lack. I forgive them when i dont see them, seeing them reminds me of what they did, so its better when they are gone. Some of the ppl i've cut off i still love them and it hurts, but i just cant have them around anymore. Scorpio moon is that person who whips themselves for the wrongs done by others. Its a lose/lose situation really

@watercup - im completely the same. the most i can do is just cut someone off completely and that's it. ill wish i could do something but that aqua niceness counters it 😢 but basically they're dead to me & i'll just lose all respect for them. but i do appreciate when women act on revenge against their men lol. to me, it's entertaining and such a justified, liberated act. more power to them! haha. n there are a couple of ppl who i'll feel bad about cutting off too but i could never turn back. what's done is done. my moon is taurus, so it's fixed like scorp. do u think that's y our views r kind of similiar? or no? lol

Yes, i dont do 2nd chances, if u were dumb enough to do me wrong then be smart enough to stay away. I wont be nice. I may cry inside as i walk away, but i will never show it. When i the ex did that to me, i poured a hair remover in his shampoo, but then decided against it- i threw it away when i moved out. LOL. He was lucky i loved him so much and therefore forgave his tresses

I love hearing about stories of revenge against men, inside i silently say,'u go girl'. But some women take it too far. When u bother him so much, thats not revenge, it shows him that u still want him. Do it once and leave him alone after or just dont do anything- karma isnt so kind or shy, he'll get his.

this topic really hits home with me I'm a aqua with scorp moon my ex was a pisces and his ex was a virgo we all lived in the same building together and when they broke up his ex was heartbroken but i was still great friends with her cos i was consoling her even though it wasnt my place.....when i was with my ex though i saw her as a threat because they had a great relationship before me and when i asked him questions and stuff he was really aloof and played dumb about stuff

her friends liked me and would come up to me and say stuff like she likes him and quoted through her that he likes her too and i didnt care or didnt listen cos i wanted him regardless...

what it comes down to is that shes gonna experiecne the aqua piscean connection which is really weird and fukd up....I turnen my bak on all my friends just to be with that guy and be completely drowned in our relationship it was the ultimate learning thingy about relationships....

i broke up with him cold turkey and went bak home to my normal life in my bed after 2 years of sleeping in the same bed with him literaly.....it was amazing because i used to have dreams and feel what i felt when we were breaking up at the start of our relationship and subconciously I was screaming at myself to break up with him like Id play breakup songs all the time but id play them just cos i liked them and it would make him angry and id arguye with him saying i just like it, its just a song....i didnt understand my subconcious mind very well slash my gut feeling now its a very powerful friend to me so let her go with him just be there for her when they break up cos its enivitable

Posted by WaterCup
I love hearing about stories of revenge against men, inside i silently say,'u go girl'. But some women take it too far. When u bother him so much, thats not revenge, it shows him that u still want him. Do it once and leave him alone after or just dont do anything- karma isnt so kind or shy, he'll get his.

lol i agree. one act of justice is understandable. but too many, nonstop revenge is doing too much lol

11, the question is should she tell the friend that the bf is cheating on her? Would u tell your friend if his/her man was cheating? Were u angry at the other ppl when they told u about the pisces and the virgo?

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
this topic really hits home with me I'm a aqua with scorp moon my ex was a pisces and his ex was a virgo we all lived in the same building together and when they broke up his ex was heartbroken

o wow! wut a small world! that's crazy

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Posted by chemengin
i didnt know why she asked me, what acid will erode metal instantly and where can she get it. i found out that night, she put holes in his car...then she told me my bail money is in my nightstand.



i have to be sure.

OMG. i LOVE that! hahaha. is this the aqua bff? damn she's a boss lol

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yes thats her. she has always been like that. 🙂

Posted by chemengin


the virgo is Shannon's work friend. so that mystery is solved. thats how she got in our circle.

the gem, shannon, and the cap(another bff) work at the same place. so the cap is going to take care of getting the info from the virgo.

the investigation begins. 😢

UPDATE:
the virgo told my cap bff that it was none of her business. so after work my friends went to their favorite dinner spot. they saw the virgo and pisces across the street arguing again. the virgo was crying. the pisces got in his car and drove off.

I'm confronting the pisces wednesday, when he comes over. i'm suppose to be distracting him while Shannon discuss his bday party with his friends.

the pisces is the guy the virgo is the girl.

Huh if you don't get any info on Wed, I would give her what little info you have and let her take it from there. Doesn't look good though.