Difference between June/July cancerians?

Hey! I'm new here(and a cancer) Do you know if there is a difference between june and july cancers?For those who might know both or have any experience with them.I always thought the decans made the difference like 1 decan : venus/Moon 2nd : Mercury /Moon 3rd : Moon/Moon. source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans

okay haha! okay so I have something interesting here: 2nd decan : dark,goths That is a description that really retained my attention on threads because I am a second decan and I don't consider myself as dark or a goth(used to pretend I was a goth in my teenage years though !haha) .Why do you think second decans are dark?

I came across all three decans and think that we have overall the same characteristics but I would like to know what the other guys here think about that.

Posted by MoonBunny
I don't spot the differences.

The Fish version is blatantly obvious with the Feb and March Fishes so different.

Crabs? Can't really tell.

Oh one of my best friend is a pisces . Whats the difference between both? I only know one feb pisces (19/02) but it was impossible for us to work together she wanted to lead our group work yet she was too slow so we clashed a lot.

I am a third decan Cancer and everything you said about them is nowhere close to my personality. Sorry to crash the party like this...😛

Posted by incandescentcancer
I am a third decan Cancer and everything you said about them is nowhere close to my personality. Sorry to crash the party like this...😛

explaiin yourself then

IC 3rd decan: loud, fairly impersonal, very short fuse, strongly analytical and professionally ruthless.

2nd Decan

Unbalanced intensity with intoxicating charm.

I think decans are very relevant when it comes to cancers, specifically. All the three decans are fundamentally different in character.

Posted by BommyKnocker
2nd Decan

Unbalanced intensity with intoxicating charm.

haha ! I would say that I am as charming too! jk If the three decans are all very different should we conclude that there is one decan than is more cancerish? Id describe myself as private but not secretive i don't really enjoy hiding the truth , if you ask me I'll tell what I'm about, I cannot stand controlling behaviour(I like to be around people that are my equals) or advices but then it depends on how you present your advices.I like thoughtful, tactful people (used to be friend with an aquarius and an aries yuk...).Apart from that I'm a pretty chilled person and very bubbly when in a good mood.I am still emotional though and thats when the crab shells is useful.I always have been ambitious too but I think that has mostly to do with the people around you and family.

I don't know what Decan I'm in.

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Cancer 25.23 Ascendant Scorpio 10.16
Moon Virgo 8.05 II Sagittarius 9.30
Mercury Cancer 8.23 III Capricorn 12.39
Venus Gemini 16.58 IV Aquarius 17.51
Mars Aries 1.47 V Pisces 20.31
Jupiter Taurus 29.16 VI Aries 17.55
Saturn Sagittarius 27.21 R VII Taurus 10.16
Uranus Sagittarius 27.59 R VIII Gemini 9.30
Neptune Capricorn 8.21 R IX Cancer 12.39
Pluto Scorpio 9.46 R Midheaven Leo 17.51
Lilith Virgo 7.10 XI Virgo 20.31
Asc node Pisces 15.09 XII Libra 17.55



Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Trine Mars 6.24 48
Sun Sextile Jupiter 3.53 9
Moon Sextile Mercury 0.18 315
Moon Trine Neptune 0.16 106
Moon Sextile Pluto 1.41 174
Moon Sextile Ascendant 2.10 82
Mercury Opposition Neptune 0.02 -199
Mercury Trine Pluto 1.23 112
Mercury Trine Ascendant 1.53 61
Venus Sextile Midheaven 0.52 109
Mars Sextile Jupiter 2.32 122
Mars Square Saturn 4.26 -39
Mars Square Uranus 3.49 -49
Saturn Conjunction Uranus 0.38 262
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1.25 58
Neptune Sextile Ascendant 1.54 21
Pluto Conjunction Ascendant 0.29 57
1536 -287 1249

Posted by MoonBunny

You are a male Cancer. The earlier ones are from female samples.

Now for the guyz,

3rd decan: brave, chivalrous, lazy

Goddaimn!

Posted by zosopage17

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Cancer 25.23 Ascendant Scorpio 10.16

If you're born between 22 - 02 July , then you're 1st decan
02 - 12 July, then you're 2nd decan
12 - 22 July, then you're 3rd decan

Something like that

Given you're Sun in Cancer is at 25.23 degrees, you're born at the end of the month, so you're very probably a 3rd decan born somewhere between 12 - 22 of july.

brave chivalrous and lazy huh

Forgive my extremely short unverified observation:
June cancers bit more loving
July ones have greater mood swings

Thank you, for your bullshit Spica. Preciate your amazing responses, always 😄


Jynja - I like your interpretation of 3rd Decan better...doesn't make me sound so shitty ;D

Posted by Jynja
--If you were born between July 13 and July 23

The third of the Cancer Decans is ruled by the planet Neptune.

The third Decan Cancer personality is characterised by intuition, empathy and optimism.

You are somewhat of a dreamer and like to fantasise stretching your vivid imagination. Poetry, creative writing or art are all areas you can excel in.

Your kindness and compassion make for you being very empathetic and you can easily understand the feelings and emotions of others.

You have a fascination for the unusual, extraordinary or unconventional. You are interested in the supernatural and spiritualism and like to find out about different cultures and beliefs.

You adore the idea of being in love and being romanticised. This sometimes leads to disappointment with relationships that fall short of the 'romance novel' ideal. However because of your positive optimism, this disappoint soon diminishes and you move your thoughts and dreams to other romances — real or imagined.

You enjoy your own company and like to have time alone. These times allow you to dream some more and also are times when you can get in touch with your inner self and strengthen your intuitive skills.


PS - this decan's description is strongly opposed by Incandescent's nature. Astro needs to go back to the drawing boards. 😛

This is actually a pretty decent description of me, I don't contest any of it. 😄

Posted by incandescentcancer

Posted by Jynja
--If you were born between July 13 and July 23

The third of the Cancer Decans is ruled by the planet Neptune.

The third Decan Cancer personality is characterised by intuition, empathy and optimism.

You are somewhat of a dreamer and like to fantasise stretching your vivid imagination. Poetry, creative writing or art are all areas you can excel in.

Your kindness and compassion make for you being very empathetic and you can easily understand the feelings and emotions of others.

You have a fascination for the unusual, extraordinary or unconventional. You are interested in the supernatural and spiritualism and like to find out about different cultures and beliefs.

You adore the idea of being in love and being romanticised. This sometimes leads to disappointment with relationships that fall short of the 'romance novel' ideal. However because of your positive optimism, this disappoint soon diminishes and you move your thoughts and dreams to other romances — real or imagined.


You enjoy your own company and like to have time alone. These times allow you to dream some more and also are times when you can get in touch with your inner self and strengthen your intuitive skills.


PS - this decan's description is strongly opposed by Incandescent's nature. Astro needs to go back to the drawing boards. 😛

This is actually a pretty decent description of me, I don't contest any of it. 😄

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So we should rather consider the division of decans as such : 1st moon, 2nd pluto and 3rd Neptune? I can't identify myself with the plutonian energy though...I think that the planets for each cancerian decans are respectively venus, mercure and moon. It sounds too basic to just divide the decans using each of the water signs planets because it would mean that 1st decan cancer are like second decan pisces and third decan scorpios (it's confusing)yet a 1st decan cancer would always be more similar to a 3rd decan one than a scorpio or a pisces would be. See my point?

I'm curious as to what logic you use to pick venus and mercury though?
If you start to look at everything within astrology - none of it is happenstance. It all has rhyme and reason behind pairings, and gender, and the like.

So how venus and mercury, and not jupiter and mars? Or say Mercury (gem influence) and Sun (leo influence).

The whole point behind pairing with the other elemental planets, is because the theory is that you do share similarities with that sign.

Sorry, maybe you covered why you chose what you did and I missed it. I skimmed the thread.

And as far as this part "a 1st decan cancer would always be more similar to a 3rd decan one than a scorpio or a pisces would be". Yes I would say that would be the case, the decans differentiate underlying.

Ohhhh I see what you did now, sorry, with the venus and mercury thing. (Should have looked before I opened my mouth there). I'd have to apply this more before I were able to speak my thoughts on this system. I seem to resonate more with a pluto pisces, than a mars pisces. Tough to decipher too because I have an aries moon.

I'm a fan of the same elemental divisions, at this point. Makes more sense to me. But I'm novicest of the novices.

Posted by deezie
I'm curious as to what logic you use to pick venus and mercury though?
If you start to look at everything within astrology - none of it is happenstance. It all has rhyme and reason behind pairings, and gender, and the like.

So how venus and mercury, and not jupiter and mars? Or say Mercury (gem influence) and Sun (leo influence).

The whole point behind pairing with the other elemental planets, is because the theory is that you do share similarities with that sign.

Sorry, maybe you covered why you chose what you did and I missed it. I skimmed the thread.

It's alright, it's great to actually find someone who is that interested.
Oh I just did not pick them randomly It's pretty confusing because I saw these informations on some astrology websites but then, others state that the three decans are ruled by the moon, pluto and neptune .So my point is I don't actually believe that the three water signs are similar to the point of "mixing" them , there are still major differences otherwise we would not think in terms of sign but rather element , right? we would go in a deeper understanding of the sign if we had a different ruler than those of the elements fellows.


Why are you talking about jupiter and mars?have you seen a different information regarding the cancerian decans? As for the neighbour signs' influence I think it would manifest more in a cancer having his personal planets(usually venus,mercury or mars) in one of these signs no matter how close they are to the "cusp" .


You can check these websites, different information :
vhttp://theastrologydictionary.com/d/decans/<BR> http://www.elbertwade.com/page101.html

Jupiter and Mars was me trying to pick random planets - because I wasn't aware of how you came up with Venus and Mercury.

I've never come across that system before. I've only ever come across the element driven system.

I think what you said about other personal planets applies to the decan thing too though. Why would we need decans to be influenced outside of the water element - when we have influences from the personal planets potentially being the altering force in a personality...?

I will use my father as an example.... He is:

Sun-Cap (8degrees) (first decan)
Moon-Cap
Merc-Cap
Mars-Cap
Venus-Sag

So in the Chaldean Order - his decan is ruled by Jupiter.
In the Triplicity Order - his decan ruler is Saturn.

The venus in Sag (Jupiter) and Chaldean decan (Jupiter). He is Saturn through and through. In the most impossible, frustrating way. There is really no lick of the Sag/Jupiter energy there at all.

Thoughts?

Posted by zosopage17
Thank you, for your bullshit Spica. Preciate your amazing responses, always 😄


Jynja - I like your interpretation of 3rd Decan better...doesn't make me sound so shitty ;D

What the F
Appreciate my response always? Since when have I spoken to you? I'm just offering another non astrological perspective, right?
If you're full o shyt, nothing anyone says can make you sound better?

Now as for your chart, cancer with Virgo moon is supposed to be some sort of doctor or surgeon type.. Is that bullshit again ? Well perhaps it is..

Posted by spica

Posted by zosopage17
Thank you, for your bullshit Spica. Preciate your amazing responses, always 😄


Jynja - I like your interpretation of 3rd Decan better...doesn't make me sound so shitty ;D

What the F
Appreciate my response always? Since when have I spoken to you? I'm just offering another non astrological perspective, right?
If you're full o shyt, nothing anyone says can make you sound better?

Now as for your chart, cancer with Virgo moon is supposed to be some sort of doctor or surgeon type.. Is that bullshit again ? Well perhaps it is..

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What's with the aggression, Ms Libra ?

Now as for who you come across as/ how you see yourself, it's def not cancer, but Scorpio .. Way more to the Scorpio end and that's not only because of your ascendant

Posted by BommyKnocker

Posted by spica

Posted by zosopage17
Thank you, for your bullshit Spica. Preciate your amazing responses, always 😄


Jynja - I like your interpretation of 3rd Decan better...doesn't make me sound so shitty ;D

What the F
Appreciate my response always? Since when have I spoken to you? I'm just offering another non astrological perspective, right?
If you're full o shyt, nothing anyone says can make you sound better?

Now as for your chart, cancer with Virgo moon is supposed to be some sort of doctor or surgeon type.. Is that bullshit again ? Well perhaps it is..

What's with the aggression, Ms Libra ?

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It's just a reflect.. 😉

I know the 1st decan is called the Decan of Cancer
2nd is the decan of Scorpio
3rd is the decan of Pisces

I think i'm right, don't feel like googling it and verifying it.

So perhaps

1st decan = Ruled by the Moon
2nd decan = Ruled by Pluto
3rd decan = Ruled by Neptune

?

I used the term "ruled" very loosely and of course I can be completely wrong.

Maybe that doesn't really work because he is so all-out Capricorn to begin with... I had a logic in my head of why that would be a good sample - but I can't seem to outwardly explain it 😢

Posted by BommyKnocker
I know the 1st decan is called the Decan of Cancer
2nd is the decan of Scorpio
3rd is the decan of Pisces

I think i'm right, don't feel like googling it and verifying it.

So perhaps

1st decan = Ruled by the Moon
2nd decan = Ruled by Pluto
3rd decan = Ruled by Neptune

?

I used the term "ruled" very loosely and of course I can be completely wrong.

What jynja posted was correct, but as you know there are hundred and one facets to human complexities and also many different ways of categorizing people
I just listed a very general one

Wasn't really responding to you, spica. Just posted something I believe is true.

+

I agree with what you said.

Posted by Jynja

That's because there's no such thing as a Mars Pisces. Mars simply influences Scorpio. It doesn't have the power Pluto has on Scorpio (Pluto gives Scorpio it's basic nature). Mars simply provides Scorpio the one facet, which is it's intensity. So, Scorpio is EXALTED in PLUTO and not in Mars - which is exalted in Aries of the fire signs.

I was using Mars based on this Chaldean nonsense.... Not as an alternatively acknowledged ruler of Scorpio... bear with me Jynja 🙂 I know you are well versed, and impressively at that!

Thanks Waterboy
And I'm sorry for aggravating your fellow crabs on the cancer board! Lmao

hahaha noooo, don't go on my account - my insecurity about my knowledge is showing isn't it.... *blush*
Not your fault. Totally my fault to take it in the wrong way

hahah just what I need a virgo on my ass... pointing out my flaws 😛

Plus I wasn't insulting - I was trying to make sure what I was saying was clear (as I rarely feel sufficiently clear)

@Spica. No worries, just avoid confrontations in this place. You're one of the last people I want to see part of any cancer board drama.

So I am a 2nd decan cancer, born in the Decan of Scorpio, with Moon/Mars& Saturn in Scorpio.

And Asc, Sun & Venus in Cancer.

So i'm the truest representation of 2nd decan Cancer, I think.

Posted by BommyKnocker
So I am a 2nd decan cancer, born in the Decan of Scorpio, with Moon/Mars& Saturn in Scorpio.

And Asc, Sun & Venus in Cancer.

So i'm the truest representation of 2nd decan Cancer, I think.

Zoso is way more Scorpio than you are for the simple reason that his Pluto is in its own sign in Scorpio

How unfortunate for Zoso then.

I think if I had pluto in Scorp with all my other water placements, shit would be FUCKED up.

I'm in school to be a Dr. so yeah.

How unfortunate for me? I like being me...just because I'm too intense for some of you to handle is not my fault - step your charts up 😄

Posted by zosopage17
I'm in school to be a Dr. so yeah.

ahaha so clearly thats not bullshit 😉

Posted by BommyKnocker
How unfortunate for Zoso then.

I think if I had pluto in Scorp with all my other water placements, shit would be FUCKED up.

You're Pluto in Libra, so a blance of Scorpio and Libra.. You're probably way more friendly than zoso lol

Posted by zosopage17
How unfortunate for me? I like being me...just because I'm too intense for some of you to handle is not my fault - step your charts up 😄

Glad you like being you.

Be careful walking around saying you're a Scorp because you're "intense". Some people will laugh at that statement.

Posted by deezie
Jupiter and Mars was me trying to pick random planets - because I wasn't aware of how you came up with Venus and Mercury.

I've never come across that system before. I've only ever come across the element driven system.

I think what you said about other personal planets applies to the decan thing too though. Why would we need decans to be influenced outside of the water element - when we have influences from the personal planets potentially being the altering force in a personality...?

I will use my father as an example.... He is:

Sun-Cap (8degrees) (first decan)
Moon-Cap
Merc-Cap
Mars-Cap
Venus-Sag

So in the Chaldean Order - his decan is ruled by Jupiter.
In the Triplicity Order - his decan ruler is Saturn.


The venus in Sag (Jupiter) and Chaldean decan (Jupiter). He is Saturn through and through. In the most impossible, frustrating way. There is really no lick of the Sag/Jupiter energy there at all.

Thoughts?

Okay so same for me where do I stand with this :


Sun Cancer 18.50 Ascendant Aries 24.52
Moon Sagittarius 4.46 II Taurus 24.16
Mercury Leo 14.15 III Gemini 24.06
Venus Cancer 26.20 IV Cancer 24.32
Mars Taurus 18.57 V Leo 25.44
Jupiter Virgo 11.19 VI Virgo 26.29
Saturn Aquarius 17.04 R VII Libra 24.52
Uranus Capricorn 15.54 R VIII Scorpio 24.16
Neptune Capricorn 17.32 R IX Sagittarius 24.06
Pluto Scorpio 20.17 R Midheaven Capricorn 24.32
Lilith Aquarius 19.09 XI Aquarius 25.44
Asc node Capricorn 0.35 XII Pisces 26.29



Am I still under the plutonian influence ? lol

Ruler of second decan......10?? - 20?? - Pluto

It appears you are, yes. You have pretty varied personal planets.
I would have to assume someone such as yourself would have a harder time pinpointing what influences come from where vs. someone like my dad's chart with all the capricorn - it's fairly evident what rules him.

Posted by VirgoR

Posted by deezie
my insecurity about my knowledge is showing isn't it.... *blush*

Indeed.

You insulted her generosity to be helpful.

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Stop picking on her virgo.

And yeah lionesses don't need baby sitters 😉

Posted by BommyKnocker

Posted by zosopage17
How unfortunate for me? I like being me...just because I'm too intense for some of you to handle is not my fault - step your charts up 😄

Glad you like being you.

Be careful walking around saying you're a Scorp because you're "intense". Some people will laugh at that statement.

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I didn't say that - Spica did. Lrn2read plz

Posted by spica

Posted by BommyKnocker
How unfortunate for Zoso then.

I think if I had pluto in Scorp with all my other water placements, shit would be FUCKED up.

You're Pluto in Libra, so a blance of Scorpio and Libra.. You're probably way more friendly than zoso lol

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Don't you have somewhere to be? Like the bottom of a gutter?

Posted by spica

Posted by BommyKnocker
So I am a 2nd decan cancer, born in the Decan of Scorpio, with Moon/Mars& Saturn in Scorpio.

And Asc, Sun & Venus in Cancer.

So i'm the truest representation of 2nd decan Cancer, I think.

Zoso is way more Scorpio than you are for the simple reason that his Pluto is in its own sign in Scorpio

Not that scorpio is anything for Zoso and us to fight about, just realised this little juicy peice of information is out there to settle this one:

Posted by zosopage17
Sign: Power Rank Percent - Element Power Percent
Aries: 37.8 ( 8) / 6.4% - Fire: 121.0 / 20.6%
Taurus: 56.0 ( 4) / 9.5% - Earth: 162.3 / 27.6%
Gemini: 33.3 ( 9) / 5.7% - Air: 78.5 / 13.3%
Cancer: 80.1 ( 2) / 13.6% - Water: 226.8 / 38.5%
Leo: 26.3 (10) / 4.5%
Virgo: 54.0 ( 5) / 9.2% - Mode Power Percent
Libra: 22.4 (12) / 3.8% - Cardinal: 192.8 / 32.8%
Scorpio: 93.4 ( 1) / 15.9% - Fixed: 198.4 / 33.7%
Sagittarius: 56.9 ( 3) / 9.7% - Mutuable: 197.4 / 33.5%
Capricorn: 52.4 ( 7) / 8.9%
Aquarius: 22.7 (11) / 3.9%
Pisces: 53.2 ( 6) / 9.0%
Total: 588.6 / 100.0%


Cool. I'm overwhelmingly water with earth as my secondary and some fire splashed in. Swimming, anyone?

Posted by BommyKnocker

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Zoso = 15.9%
BK= 20.6%

Percentage of Water in

Zoso chart = 33.5%
BK = 47.0%