SirHorns
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Tradition, Gender and the Capricorn
The men are very masculine and the women are a bit of both in the best way.
I'm a male and actually feel very femenine for a man
I mean, I'm very respectful, delicate and deep inside very emotional. So the whole "macho" thing doesn't really apply to me
I'm quiet and aloof, so women tend to find me intriguing or something, plus I'm good looking lol 🙂
but no, definitely I don't think I'm some ultra masculine macho guy, I'm very emotional
(I'm Cancer moon and Cancer Rising BTW, maybe thats why)
I mean, I'm very respectful, delicate and deep inside very emotional. So the whole "macho" thing doesn't really apply to me
I'm quiet and aloof, so women tend to find me intriguing or something, plus I'm good looking lol 🙂
but no, definitely I don't think I'm some ultra masculine macho guy, I'm very emotional
(I'm Cancer moon and Cancer Rising BTW, maybe thats why)
Posted by Capricorn808
I'm a male and actually feel very femenine for a man
I mean, I'm very respectful, delicate and deep inside very emotional. So the whole "macho" thing doesn't really apply to me
I'm quiet and aloof, so women tend to find me intriguing or something, plus I'm good looking lol 🙂
but no, definitely I don't think I'm some ultra masculine macho guy, I'm very emotional
(I'm Cancer moon and Cancer Rising BTW, maybe thats why)
Do you think that goes for Cap men in general? Do you guys just hide behind the aloofness?
Posted by bkbella86Posted by Capricorn808
I'm a male and actually feel very femenine for a man
I mean, I'm very respectful, delicate and deep inside very emotional. So the whole "macho" thing doesn't really apply to me
I'm quiet and aloof, so women tend to find me intriguing or something, plus I'm good looking lol 🙂
but no, definitely I don't think I'm some ultra masculine macho guy, I'm very emotional
(I'm Cancer moon and Cancer Rising BTW, maybe thats why)
Do you think that goes for Cap men in general? Do you guys just hide behind the aloofness?click to expand
I don't think Cap men in general feel "feminine", that I'm sure, I'm Cancer Moon and Cancer Rising so probably I'm more attuned to it because of that.
But I've friends who are Cap too, and I'd say most of us portray this image of being "Masculine" and "Tough" bcause we are a bit serious and quiet.
We don't "hide", we ARE aloof, we ARE quiet, we don't tend to be very chatty unless we know you well enough.
Posted by Capricorn808
I'm a male and actually feel very femenine for a man
I mean, I'm very respectful, delicate and deep inside very emotional. So the whole "macho" thing doesn't really apply to me
I'm quiet and aloof, so women tend to find me intriguing or something, plus I'm good looking lol 🙂
but no, definitely I don't think I'm some ultra masculine macho guy, I'm very emotional
(I'm Cancer moon and Cancer Rising BTW, maybe thats why)
Awwww yea your a different type of cap with cancer rising and moon. I'm cap sun cancer moon female. I can relate to how u could feel at times (hugs)
The cap men I know are aloof and quiet and serious but the way they dress is like clean cut to me with a touch of feminine idk how to explain it like GQ style lol
Posted by nonchalant2you
The cap men I know are aloof and quiet and serious but the way they dress is like clean cut to me with a touch of feminine idk how to explain it like GQ style lol
I've always had a nice hairstyle (carefully chosen), nice clothes and suits.
We are like James Bond when it comes to style, Cap men are known for good taste my friend, and I assure you we are proud in our image 😉
Posted by nonchalant2youPosted by Capricorn808
I'm a male and actually feel very femenine for a man
I mean, I'm very respectful, delicate and deep inside very emotional. So the whole "macho" thing doesn't really apply to me
I'm quiet and aloof, so women tend to find me intriguing or something, plus I'm good looking lol 🙂
but no, definitely I don't think I'm some ultra masculine macho guy, I'm very emotional
(I'm Cancer moon and Cancer Rising BTW, maybe thats why)
Awwww yea your a different type of cap with cancer rising and moon. I'm cap sun cancer moon female. I can relate to how u could feel at times (hugs)click to expand
Yeah I like singing, playing the guitar, writing songs.
Make no mistake, I'm aware of how to be a manly man, just being well dressed, well spoken, educated and fit makes my idea of manly
plus the fact that women find aloofness and quiet men masculine helps even more.
but deep inside, weird things happen
If I had to pick some character that would probably make me think of a typical capricorn would be someone like Chuck Bass (that guy my cancer sister has a crush on) or James Bond
the style, the talk, the ambition.
Cap men in a nutshell
I do consider myself feminine but I have an ego that rivals most males so although I can be perceived as delicate I have an urge to dominate one on one interactions. I think it probably turn most men off.
Im pretty traditional for the most part. I like for a guy to take charge.
Im pretty traditional for the most part. I like for a guy to take charge.
I am also cap with cancer moon. In fact, my most dominant sign is cancer and my most dominant planet is thie moon, and yet all I can see of my cancarian ways is when I get really really hurt emotionally, when I deal with other people's feelings and I guess my cardinal ways from cap are amplified, meaning that I have no problem at all to initiate or take charge, whether it's in a romantic setting or at work. I do like it when other people take initiative too, though. Whatever works in the situation, I feel.
Traditions definitely has its uses, but not tradition for tradition's sake. Looking back at how things have worked before is a very good learning experiance from which you can progress. I am very much for progression, but don't fix it if it isn't broken or could get better.
Traditions definitely has its uses, but not tradition for tradition's sake. Looking back at how things have worked before is a very good learning experiance from which you can progress. I am very much for progression, but don't fix it if it isn't broken or could get better.
And, yes, I'm feminine, but not ultra feminine.
Hmm.
I'm curious now as to what traditions Caps here like to keep up and which ones they don't care much for.
I'm curious now as to what traditions Caps here like to keep up and which ones they don't care much for.
Posted by SirHorns
So To the Caps:
Do you see yourself ultra masculine or feminine? Did you cultivate it or was it more of an unconscious trait you developed through the years?
Also what's your view/stance towards traditionalism?
I am not ultra feminine. I'm not a girly girl as far as clothes and makeup go, but I won't leave the house without makeup on (I always thought it was a southern thing). I try to be lady like, but I don't mind getting out and playing in the dirt and mud either.
I do believe in traditionalism and gender roles. I believe men should be men and women should be women. I belive in old fashioned ways and proper manners. I like traditions and respect their origins.
Posted by SirHorns
Hmm.
I'm curious now as to what traditions Caps here like to keep up and which ones they don't care much for.
Keep:
Good manners.
Gender roles.
Class.
Holidays and town festivals, etc.
Ditch:
The glass ceiling.
Traditions I like to keep:
Christmas. Everything about it, from the food to the time of day we do the different activities. I could tell you exactly what I will be doing at precisely five o'clock 24 of december five years from now unless I'm dead or ill.
Me and my brother meeting up with plenty of beer to make (really bad) christmas rhymes for some of our gifts.
The annual trip I go on with a group of friends.
The annual trip I go on with another group of friends.
For instance.
Traditions I'd like to skip:
Some gender roles. I can apprechiate someone opening a door for me, but please don't overdo it. Sometimes it is actually much easier if I do it myself from where I stand.
Guys always paying when we go out. If he takes me somewhere I think he should pay, but if we decided together that we should go somewhere, default should be going dutch. For instance.
Christmas. Everything about it, from the food to the time of day we do the different activities. I could tell you exactly what I will be doing at precisely five o'clock 24 of december five years from now unless I'm dead or ill.
Me and my brother meeting up with plenty of beer to make (really bad) christmas rhymes for some of our gifts.
The annual trip I go on with a group of friends.
The annual trip I go on with another group of friends.
For instance.
Traditions I'd like to skip:
Some gender roles. I can apprechiate someone opening a door for me, but please don't overdo it. Sometimes it is actually much easier if I do it myself from where I stand.
Guys always paying when we go out. If he takes me somewhere I think he should pay, but if we decided together that we should go somewhere, default should be going dutch. For instance.
I eat nails and spit out napalm, that's how manly I am.
I eat thunder, and crap lightning.
My moustache can beat you up all by itself.
My moustache can beat you up all by itself.
I eat lightning and crap out light bulbs.
My eyes can kill anyone.
My eyes can kill anyone.
Posted by HappyCapper
Traditions I'd like to skip:
Some gender roles. I can apprechiate someone opening a door for me, but please don't overdo it. Sometimes it is actually much easier if I do it myself from where I stand.
Guys always paying when we go out. If he takes me somewhere I think he should pay, but if we decided together that we should go somewhere, default should be going dutch. For instance.
Those are some I think we should keep! lol!
It makes guys feel good when they open a door for you and you let them know you appreciate it.
And the paying, well, the further in a relationship it doesn't matter. However, I think the man should in the beginning, but if I invite him, I pay - that's fair.
Posted by CapTenn
I eat thunder, and crap lightning.
My moustache can beat you up all by itself.
Lightening struck close to my house last night. Was that you crapping?
😛
Posted by truecapPosted by HappyCapper
Traditions I'd like to skip:
Some gender roles. I can apprechiate someone opening a door for me, but please don't overdo it. Sometimes it is actually much easier if I do it myself from where I stand.
Guys always paying when we go out. If he takes me somewhere I think he should pay, but if we decided together that we should go somewhere, default should be going dutch. For instance.
Those are some I think we should keep! lol!
It makes guys feel good when they open a door for you and you let them know you appreciate it.
And the paying, well, the further in a relationship it doesn't matter. However, I think the man should in the beginning, but if I invite him, I pay - that's fair.click to expand
Yes, they can open the door for me at times - that's a very nice gesture - but when they make a run for it and wedge themselves between you and the door to be able to open it before you have the chance to, it gets kinda awkward imo. If they hadn't opened it(read: been in the way) I would have been through the damned door five minutes before they had their hand on the handle. Jeez. lol. But as I said, I appreciate the thought behind it.
If he invites - he pays. If I invite - I pay. Agreed. And I also agree that it matters less and less the further you get into the relationship, but why does the man have to pay in the beginning, as a rule, just because he happens to be a man? Personally, I am very set on paying my own share, especially in the beginning, because tbh, I don't want to feel that I owe him anything. Letting him pay in the beginning could actually be seen as a sign that I really like him. If I just see him as a potential-maybe-hmm, I feel like I'm leading him on by letting him pay. And also, I am freakishly independent, so in a way, me paying my share lets me know right away if he can handle that. Yeah, I know, I'm weird.
For how long do you think the man should pay in the beginning?
These are just my opinions and thoughts on it. Doesn't mean I'm right. Doesn't mean you're wrong. We each have our own preferences. I think it's interesting to see how the younger generation feels about things.
why does the man have to pay in the beginning, as a rule, just because he happens to be a man?
Because the man does the asking out. And, a man should be a gentleman and insist on paying even if you offer. It shows his character, I think. And it shows your character by offering, but letting him be the gentleman shows your character, too.
Remember, I'm old school and of a different generation.
don't want to feel that I owe him anything
You owe him nothing, and if he acts like you do, that's a red flag and a deal breaker.
Letting him pay in the beginning could actually be seen as a sign that I really like him. If I just see him as a potential-maybe-hmm, I feel like I'm leading him on by letting him pay.
If you don't like him, you shouldn't accept a date with him.
And they're all potential-maybes until things are established.
For how long do you think the man should pay in the beginning?
At least the first 3 dates. Then, cook him dinner, buy concert tickets or do something to reciprocate. After the 3rd date, you'll know whether you want to continue dating him. Then, when things are more established, it won't matter who pays.
Hey, I'm not that bad. At least I've progressed from my parent's generation. My dad thinks the guy should pay until you get married, then the guy still pays. He's very old school! lol!
why does the man have to pay in the beginning, as a rule, just because he happens to be a man?
Because the man does the asking out. And, a man should be a gentleman and insist on paying even if you offer. It shows his character, I think. And it shows your character by offering, but letting him be the gentleman shows your character, too.
Remember, I'm old school and of a different generation.
don't want to feel that I owe him anything
You owe him nothing, and if he acts like you do, that's a red flag and a deal breaker.
Letting him pay in the beginning could actually be seen as a sign that I really like him. If I just see him as a potential-maybe-hmm, I feel like I'm leading him on by letting him pay.
If you don't like him, you shouldn't accept a date with him.
And they're all potential-maybes until things are established.
For how long do you think the man should pay in the beginning?
At least the first 3 dates. Then, cook him dinner, buy concert tickets or do something to reciprocate. After the 3rd date, you'll know whether you want to continue dating him. Then, when things are more established, it won't matter who pays.
Hey, I'm not that bad. At least I've progressed from my parent's generation. My dad thinks the guy should pay until you get married, then the guy still pays. He's very old school! lol!
And as far as door opening. I used to be like you, then my aqua said, "Hey! I'd like to open doors for you if you let me". So, you stand aside and let them do it. Then a quick kiss and thank you. He beams. So sweet!
I think it's amazing that men of your generation are still being gentlemen by busting their ass to open a door for you! I was starting to give up on that generation. I thought gentlemen and chivalry were a thing of the past.
And.....hmmm....Here's a thought. Maybe it's the gentlemen factor that are attracting young women to older men. Young guys need to listen up!!!
I think it's amazing that men of your generation are still being gentlemen by busting their ass to open a door for you! I was starting to give up on that generation. I thought gentlemen and chivalry were a thing of the past.
And.....hmmm....Here's a thought. Maybe it's the gentlemen factor that are attracting young women to older men. Young guys need to listen up!!!
"why does the man have to pay in the beginning, as a rule, just because he happens to be a man?
Because the man does the asking out. And, a man should be a gentleman and insist on paying even if you offer. It shows his character, I think. And it shows your character by offering, but letting him be the gentleman shows your character, too.
Remember, I'm old school and of a different generation."
Well, as I wrote: if he invites - he pays. So we agree on that. I also agree with you that it's a very good sign if he offers to pay. But. You are assuming that he asked you out. What if you mutually agreed to go out? And also, look at it from a male perspective: it seems to me that a guy needs to be friggin rich to be able to date. That's hardly fair in my book.
Because the man does the asking out. And, a man should be a gentleman and insist on paying even if you offer. It shows his character, I think. And it shows your character by offering, but letting him be the gentleman shows your character, too.
Remember, I'm old school and of a different generation."
Well, as I wrote: if he invites - he pays. So we agree on that. I also agree with you that it's a very good sign if he offers to pay. But. You are assuming that he asked you out. What if you mutually agreed to go out? And also, look at it from a male perspective: it seems to me that a guy needs to be friggin rich to be able to date. That's hardly fair in my book.
"don't want to feel that I owe him anything
You owe him nothing, and if he acts like you do, that's a red flag and a deal breaker."
I know I don't owe him anything. That's just me being weird, so don't pay any attention to that. I've just always been like that.
What did you mean with "if he acts like you do?"
You owe him nothing, and if he acts like you do, that's a red flag and a deal breaker."
I know I don't owe him anything. That's just me being weird, so don't pay any attention to that. I've just always been like that.
What did you mean with "if he acts like you do?"
"Letting him pay in the beginning could actually be seen as a sign that I really like him. If I just see him as a potential-maybe-hmm, I feel like I'm leading him on by letting him pay."
"If you don't like him, you shouldn't accept a date with him."
Agreed! Ofc I like him to a certain degree if I go out with him. What I meant was that if he isn't a person that I have a clear interest in(someone I just want to date to see if there could potentially be something), it would feel weird for me not to pay.
And...
"And they're all potential-maybes until things are established."
Exactly.
"If you don't like him, you shouldn't accept a date with him."
Agreed! Ofc I like him to a certain degree if I go out with him. What I meant was that if he isn't a person that I have a clear interest in(someone I just want to date to see if there could potentially be something), it would feel weird for me not to pay.
And...
"And they're all potential-maybes until things are established."
Exactly.
"For how long do you think the man should pay in the beginning?
At least the first 3 dates. Then, cook him dinner, buy concert tickets or do something to reciprocate. After the 3rd date, you'll know whether you want to continue dating him. Then, when things are more established, it won't matter who pays."
Okay. Not that bad. 🙂 I guess many of our differences of opinion stems from our different cultures. I even have a hard time translating our dating system into the american one.(at least to the best of my ability) Here, we can hang out a bit more casually - not set a "date", but just do something together, meaning that it may just as well lead to friendship as to a relationship or to nothing at all. How do we tell the difference? Gut feeling. It becomes pretty clear after a while, imo.
"Hey, I'm not that bad. At least I've progressed from my parent's generation. My dad thinks the guy should pay until you get married, then the guy still pays. He's very old school! lol!"
No you're not. Awsome! 😄
At least the first 3 dates. Then, cook him dinner, buy concert tickets or do something to reciprocate. After the 3rd date, you'll know whether you want to continue dating him. Then, when things are more established, it won't matter who pays."
Okay. Not that bad. 🙂 I guess many of our differences of opinion stems from our different cultures. I even have a hard time translating our dating system into the american one.(at least to the best of my ability) Here, we can hang out a bit more casually - not set a "date", but just do something together, meaning that it may just as well lead to friendship as to a relationship or to nothing at all. How do we tell the difference? Gut feeling. It becomes pretty clear after a while, imo.
"Hey, I'm not that bad. At least I've progressed from my parent's generation. My dad thinks the guy should pay until you get married, then the guy still pays. He's very old school! lol!"
No you're not. Awsome! 😄
Posted by HappyCapper
"What did you mean with "if he acts like you do?"
You said you didn't want to owe him anything and I said if he acts like you do owe him something...Meaning if he pressures you to sleep with him because he paid and he thinks you owe him --- deal breaker!!!
Oh! lol. I read it as: if he acts like I act... I get it now. And, yes, huuuge dealbreaker!!!
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Also that we're fond of the old school style way of handling certain things or certain customs.
To the Caps:
Do you see yourself ultra masculine or feminine? Did you cultivate it or was it more of an unconscious trait you developed through the years?
Also what's your view/stance towards traditionalism?
To other signs: Tell us how butch the Capricorns are running around in your life. 😐
As for myself, I liked the whole gender role thing, I mean I knew "ROLE" meant that it wasn't all I was and just a role to play. Plus I got the gender that can grow beards, woo! 😆
As for traditionalism, some parts I can stand by, while others I think can't be put into place anymore due to the way things have progressed, so are best left to be in past. In the "Good old Days" box of your memory.