Because Because Because

To my feverished mind, the actuallity of a thing matters little in contrast to its appearance. And then, what real value does the truth of a thing have? It makes no real impact unless we percieve it to. So it is infact only the perception of an even which causes the even to happen and causes it to affect. But then, if this is understood, as it must be sinse it occurs in this way, there is little reason for an explination of it. There fore this post should have little affect on anything and actually has no true value and very little meaning. There for I have no reason to continue writing it.

'Oh.. I wouldn't say that. I just gave you 10 minutes of my time (before I read.. read the.. read the last.. read the last line). Thief.

Then hate me when thou wilt; if ever, now;
Now, while the world is bent my deeds to cross,
Join with the spite of fortune, make me bow,
And do not drop in for an after-loss:
Ah! do not, when my heart hath 'scaped this sorrow,
Come in the rearward of a conquered woe;
Give not a windy night a rainy morrow,
To linger out a purposed overthrow.
If thou wilt leave me, do not leave me last,
When other petty griefs have done their spite,
But in the onset come: so shall I taste
At first the very worst of fortune's might;
And other strains of woe, which now seem woe,
Compared with loss of thee, will not seem so.

You really want to wrack a guy's brains, don't you? I'm sending this to SETI for decoding, ok? It may take awhile.
BTW stop furrowing your brow.. It's Gonna Stick like that.
I am impressed however. Your knowledge of English Lit being wot it is.. you probably COULD tell one the difference between "dreck & dross", or "floatsam & jetsom".
(Neither of these phrases are related to your passage above, just to clarify.) Just things I read & never got a definition for.

lol... By the way, that was Shakespeare's 90th Sonnet, just in case you were wondering 😉

I must confess to a Shakespearian deficit in the family tree. I think Romeo & Juliet, followed by A Tale of Two Cities really did a number on my appreciation of classic literature. H.G.Wells, LoveCraft, etc..well, a different breed and a different story there. Cthulu (msp) creeps me right the hell out.

A tale of Two Cities! Gasp, Gagh!!! Victorian novels are the bane of the literary world! Honestly now, they should never force kids to read them, it really could turn them off books forever.

Well, let's see. To be fair, we also got "Where the Red Fern Grows". (which Should Have been Labeled: How to Teach Children to Cry..) Right up there with Bambi & having to face death all in the same movie matinee, as a kid.. Skipping school for the moment, what esle. Old Yeller' .. there was trauma for ya. I'm sure there are more.

It's supposed to be teaching kids to "deal with real life issues". Why don't they skip the books and just send them right to support groups?

I see you breathing down my neck..BTW.. Off to work in Seconds. Just to let you know. Later 😉

I don't know, I've always been more of a fantasy/sci fi girl myself...

bubye 🙂

Re: Real life issues. A buddy told me just last night that Japan leads the world in suicide rates. There are even web sights for making suicide pacts so people can go in pairs.
I'm not making this up. Apparently alot of the youth there are practically abandoned within the home. Meaning, staying in rooms day in an out, never leaving the house, etc.

So you like Sci Fi? I think you'd like Anne McCaffrey's Brain Ship series. About "brawns & brains". Human teams of one partner hard wired into a spacecraft, with the other partner as muscle, companion, spacemate, etc.
"The Ship Who Sang", "The City That Fought", etc. All very good.

It was the best of times it was the worst of times, great lit.

How can you not love a hero who dies for the woman he loves even tho she loves another?

Cuz he's full of sap. "tis I far,far better thing I do now.. etc..ad naseum." This is how the human gene pool is weeding out recessive traits. Repeat after me, "I am a product of selective breeding".. All hail the human genome.

hahahahaha

Perhaps some of are products of selective breeding. But it a step above thoses of you who are the result of inbreeding.

I've read a lot of Anne McCaffrey's books, but not those, I'll have to investigate. The Japanese suicide rates are so high I think because the tradition of the ritual suicide is still in their system. What's it called, Hari Kari? Where it's better to kill yourself then face failure or dishonor? It's an interesting concept.

Speaking of Japan, I love Japanese literature... It's concise, more compact, and says a lot with out having to write a lot. It's esentially everything that Victorian literature is not. I don't understad how they can say that stuff is "great literature". I just can't connect to it, the characters are too removed, the concepts don't mean anything to me. Maybe I was Japanese in a past life.

James, the character in 2 Cities truly did do the higher good, the nobler thing. It's just I prefer Patton's view of things.. we arent' here to die for our country. We're here to make the others die for theirs.

Morgan, I've never read Japanese literature translated to English (seems to be what you're saying). I'd probably feel the same. I have trouble appreciating huiku (msp)at that. I do have a copy of Sun-Tzu, The Art of Warfare.. and that's very interesting. Some is still applicable today.

Sun-Tzu is Chinese.

I feel.. very humbled. Ok.. "the oriental mindset" then.

🙂

I'm not a huge fan of Haiku either.

Don't everyone make fun of me, but I must be the only weird one who really loves Victorian literature (esp. poetry)...

No laughing. Tell me why you like it. Define victorian literature. I've seen Vitorian catalogs.. the 9 inch hair pins, corsets, plush chairs, etc.. What part of the literature speaks to you? I'd think women were slightly repressed ("doomed to pine") and that.. that wouldn't sit very well with you. For example, it was expected the males to go forth and gain experience.. "made good husbands". But no woman of refinement could or would think of it. Very much the double standard.

Oh yes. Yes to all of the above.

But to explain my love for it...I think it's the romance of it all. You'd be suprised how pine-ish and non-aggressive I am when it comes to someone I'm interested in. Although there were definitely double standards, I like that everyone's role is clearly defined. By God, the men act like men and the women act like women. And the flowery language, I like that too. Some people find it very annoying, but I think it's lovely. Words are an extremely powerful thing for me.

Do you like Shakespeare as well?

I think Morgan means you, but in case not.. I can't decipher Shakespeare. "for sooth!" What? Lost me already.

Your words are telling Phoenix. "Everyone's roles were clearly defined". Snergized by your next statement..men were men, and women ~ women. I can appreciate the higher respect for language, because I have read vintage letters, and the art of writing in that respect is mainly dead. Letters meant something then. I can't say I know of any poetry examples. It's interesting regarding non-aggressive towards intimates. Because you've got Libra sprinkled throughout your chart. (Not specifically intending this to turn to Zodiac matters, but was interesting.)

I couldn't agree more about the art of letter-writing being a lost one. They were stunning back then. And yes, it's true about the Libra stuff. But to be honest, that's something that's never occurred to me before you just said it...I never realized that maybe that's why I'm such a pine-y person before. I'm very Scorpio-ish though, once involved. And that could either be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on your outlook. 😉

I had to write an essay on how shakespeare improved my writing for my english final exam. A wondeful peice of BS.

I think I'm afraid to scare people away right off the bat?

😛

Morgan, you may hate me for saying this, but I LOVE Shakespeare.

Morgan, I'd be hard pressed to prove that point as well, regards to William S. I think I was more interested that he was a part of Stratford on Avalon (is that right? it's been awhile..) and how a real theatre operated in those days.. why the opening acts of plays were usually rough and tumble, or spooky, etc.. that "grip the audience quickly"..
lest ye be pelted with eggs and rotting fruit. I liked the incidentals of the period, rather than the man. It didn't help to hear half the world thinks he plaguerized his works, or someone esle did it, or that he's a genius or a dupe, etc.

Oops. Avon. Avon.. not Avalon. Mixing sci fi with classics. Faux Pas.

No, pheonix, I like shakespeare, it's just that reading it hasn't improved my writing at all.

Phoenix, I mentioned pining away in regards to Victorian era. You're using it to describe yourself. One's not necessariy related to the other. I thought Libra's were sensualists. (a tad indecisive @ things but "so".)
Actually I should be dating a Scorpio, according to the charts. It's only been within the last 6 months or so that it even occurred to me to guess at what people were, who worked around me. I'm not sure I ever met one. Perhaps running in different circles. Not sure of that one.

ahh, I see. 🙂

err, the "I see" was to Morgan...hold on, let me read your post Espernaut...we posted @ exactly the same time I guess. lol.

I'm skimming all boards and trying to keep it together.

Libras are sensualists, whereas Scorpios are...hmm..."sexualists?" lol, I don't think that's a word, but you know what I'm getting at. So, you've never met a Scorpio? Get ready....I hope you meet a not evil one. 🙂

And yes, you probably should date one. I'm not basing that on any clinical or astrological data, simply an intuitional feeling (so listen to me @ your own risk). 😛

And I was trying to show you one possible reason why I'm so drawn to Victorian era lit. I just sucked at showing you, that's all (hehe).

and yes, I'm skimming too. lol

I like both of those aspects. There's no good way to write this but apparently Scorpio's and Virgo's are compatible in a lead / follow kind of way. Personally, I would be, up to a point. Turnabout is fair play, in my book. Let me try this one more time. I think about things, but wouldn't admit it to anyone, until or unless they told me first. In that respect, being "led", helps break the ice.

You're right, about the lead/follow thing. EXCEPT, when the male is the Virgo and the female is the Scorpio. At least, in my experience...when this is the case, the two are fairly equal, since males tend to have more dominating traits than females. Or maybe I just like the ones that do.

I'm here. I'm reading.

yay, I thought you'd gone to bed.

I'm in the same boat..no other signs of my own to compare myself with. Because I'm not That closely related to my sign as it's written. Which leads me to wonder about Scorpio's. Do you follow/favor the description of your sign?

I know, thought I lost the both of you. You don't turn into a pumpkin on weekdays?

Eh, it depends. I am intensely jealous, I mean *intensely* jealous, especially when I *really* dig someone. And I am somewhat secretive, particularly with strangers. They will never know anything about me that I don't intend for them to find out...not that I have a huge lot of skeletons in my closet or anything, just that a lot of stuff is off limits unless I completely trust the person, which is extremely rare. I sometimes have a very frightening, raging temper. And I am highly sexual.

BUT...

No one would guess any of the above, unless they knew me very well, because I have mastered the art of appearing open, not secretive, not jealous, secure, lighthearted, that sort of thing. Perhaps it's the Libra which allows me to fool everyone?

What about you?

(I'm here; I'm reading. lol)

damn, you outposted me again!

pumpkin, so I've been called...lol

Both of us? Is Morgon back?