18scorpio
@18scorpio
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Leos help me out please?
Posted by MiZLeoHahaha I liked the making the lion purr bit. Thanks, so I'll just leave him alone for a few days and then drown him in Scorpio sexiness 😉
Leo's need their space when we are mad initially. Turn on the charm big time. Pet that lion and make him purr again.
LOL ok so like 1 more day then? Since I've already contacted him today.
Gosh, it feels weird chalking out things so precisely 😛
Gosh, it feels weird chalking out things so precisely 😛
Posted by 18scorpioIf you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I guess he's someone who means a lot to me and I wouldn't want to do the wrong thing to make things worse.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.
Posted by enfant_terribleI understand what you're saying completely. I don't want to give him attention to validate his behaviour or to get on his good side. I just want to fix things because he's important to me. And I guess you do have a point. Although I would never manipulate him (I know, I'm a scorp and some say that's all we do) I'll remember what you said 🙂Posted by 18scorpioIf you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I guess he's someone who means a lot to me and I wouldn't want to do the wrong thing to make things worse.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.click to expand
Posted by enfant_terribleSeriously? Any form of manipulation is bad. To even say that means You are a manipulator and most likely an abuser. Honesty is the ONLY policy to use.Posted by 18scorpioIf you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I guess he's someone who means a lot to me and I wouldn't want to do the wrong thing to make things worse.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.click to expand
Posted by HappygoluckyI'm not manipulating him though :/Posted by enfant_terribleSeriously? Any form of manipulation is bad. To even say that means You are a manipulator and most likely an abuser. Honesty is the ONLY policy to use.Posted by 18scorpioIf you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I guess he's someone who means a lot to me and I wouldn't want to do the wrong thing to make things worse.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.click to expand
Posted by HappygoluckyExcept that everyone manipulates pretty much on a daily basis. It's such a normal part of our lives that we don't even see ourselves doing it. We just call it by other names.
Seriously? Any form of manipulation is bad. To even say that means You are a manipulator and most likely an abuser. Honesty is the ONLY policy to use.
I've learned to recognize it in even the most honest of individuals; and they ARE honest: Their way is they simply manipulate themselves first.
So no, not all manipulation is of bad intent just as self-preservation isn't bad intent. The word's just gained notoriety with the rise of pop-psychology and all the hobby-psychologists.
Posted by enfant_terribleYea, OK. Keep telling yourself that. That psychobabble bullshit might seem good to you, but is screams USER to me. If you want something, FUCKING EARN IT.Posted by HappygoluckyExcept that everyone manipulates pretty much on a daily basis. It's such a normal part of our lives that we don't even see ourselves doing it. We just call it by other names.
Seriously? Any form of manipulation is bad. To even say that means You are a manipulator and most likely an abuser. Honesty is the ONLY policy to use.
I've learned to recognize it in even the most honest of individuals; and they ARE honest: Their way is they simply manipulate themselves first.
So no, not all manipulation is of bad intent just as self-preservation isn't bad intent. The word's just gained notoriety with the rise of pop-psychology and all the hobby-psychologists.click to expand
whats his mercury and moon?
Typical entitled 1st world thinking: Earn it. You should write a self-help book.
Btw ego-stroking bc you know it will get results is manipulative. That's what I'm saying, it's so normal we don't even recognize it, or just call it by another name. There's no bad intent as far as that's humanly possible: Girl just wants to know all's fine between them. Point of manipulation without bad intent proven.
Alright I've hijacked this thread enough. Best of luck, Scorp.
Btw ego-stroking bc you know it will get results is manipulative. That's what I'm saying, it's so normal we don't even recognize it, or just call it by another name. There's no bad intent as far as that's humanly possible: Girl just wants to know all's fine between them. Point of manipulation without bad intent proven.
Alright I've hijacked this thread enough. Best of luck, Scorp.
Posted by enfant_terribleExactly Enfant. You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure. Afterall, that is the reason people manipulate in the first place. Too weak to get it the honest way or too insecure with themselves to be strong. You must be one of those insecure and feminine individuals.
Typical entitled 1st world thinking: Earn it. You should write a self-help book.
Btw ego-stroking bc you know it will get results is manipulative. That's what I'm saying, it's so normal we don't even recognize it, or just call it by another name. There's no bad intent as far as that's humanly possible: Girl just wants to know all's fine between them. Point of manipulation without bad intent proven.
Alright I've hijacked this thread enough. Best of luck, Scorp.
We could discuss this all night. It's fundamentally simple and what you're saying has very little to do with the point I'm bringing up. He is being manipulative and she is being manipulative. The most honest individuals I've met have been manipulative, that is not to say they were bad people. I can't possibly make it any clearer.
Posted by HappygoluckyWhich would fucking explain this
Exactly Enfant. You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure..
Posted by enfant_terrible
If you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.click to expand
I agree with enfant... esp because he's a LEO male, and all.
Posted by enfant_terribleWhich is manipulative in itself and WRONGPosted by HappygoluckyWhich would fucking explain this
Exactly Enfant. You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure..
Posted by enfant_terrible
If you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.click to expand
A Leo of all people trying to validate manipulation.
Posted by MontgomeryWould have nothing to do with the fact that YOU are a Leo. Right?
I agree with enfant... esp because he's a LEO male, and all.
What's one of the most common questions on the dating scene, and certainly in here?
"How long before I can call him? "
Manipulation in its purest form. What are you really asking?
I could go on.
"How long before I can call him? "
Manipulation in its purest form. What are you really asking?
I could go on.
Posted by HappygoluckyWhat is manipulative in itself: NOT being manipulative??
Posted by enfant_terribleWhich is manipulative in itself and WRONGPosted by HappygoluckyWhich would fucking explain this
Exactly Enfant. You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure..
Posted by enfant_terrible
If you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.
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Could you possibly make any less sense?
Posted by enfant_terribleCan you even understand your own writing? Of course not, or we would not still be having this conversation.Posted by HappygoluckyWhat is manipulative in itself: NOT being manipulative??
Posted by enfant_terribleWhich is manipulative in itself and WRONGPosted by HappygoluckyWhich would fucking explain this
Exactly Enfant. You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure..
Posted by enfant_terrible
If you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.
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Could you possibly make any less sense?
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You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure..
^^^You said this was OK and how many times have you blasted motherfuckers for stroking a Leos EGO but, its ok for HER.....because shes a woman
(not all manipulation is of bad intent)........
^^^ I smoke weed and you want to hang out with me......you gotta smoke weed so you wont tell on me. Not bad intentions.....just self security.
Posted by HappygoluckyI never said any such thing. You're pulling shit out of your ass. I said it (paraphrasing) that she doesn't have to wet her panties just because I said her strategy was manipulative (it being such a charged word), meaning not that it's ok or that it isn't, only that it is what it is ("how long before I call him?", as if you never asked yourself!)
You just said it was ok to do it for her own EGO to feel secure..
^^^You said this was OK and how many times have you blasted motherfuckers for stroking a Leos EGO but, its ok for HER.....because shes a woman
... but that it's in her best interest not to stroke his ego with the intent of getting on his good side bc it will only validate his behavior... which again was my first fucking entry here! If only you read what I wrote instead of reading in your personal shit between the lines..
If you mean that her not contacting him bc it would validate his behavior is manipulative too, then thank you, you just proved my point -- manipulation of others aswell of ourselves is an inevitable part of our everyday lives that there's no way around it. We don't even know we're doing it, or we simply call it by other names.
Posted by HappygoluckyI don't knowPosted by MontgomeryWould have nothing to do with the fact that YOU are a Leo. Right?
I agree with enfant... esp because he's a LEO male, and all.
But this is good info.
Posted by enfant_terrible
If you give him attention for the sake of attention you'd only be validating his behavior. What happens next time he's presumed pouting? He'll only expect you to come running after him and if you don't, you're in even bigger trouble.
I'm not saying don't initiate contact, I'm saying don't pull manipulative strategies (not all manipulation is of bad intent) to get on his good side. For your own sake.click to expand
I don't really understand what you're upset about, tbh.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
Posted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.
Posted by enfant_terribleYesPosted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.click to expand
Posted by enfant_terribleOkay, sorry but I think I might feel a little bit confused here. So, waiting long enough to make the first move for open communication is manipulative? Doesn't that mean I at last respect his space as a human being - like forget the fact that he is a Leo for a sec. Like, I don't get it, if he's mad I'm giving him space instead of bombarding him with messages or calls every few hours and I thought that's how you treat people in general??Posted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.click to expand
And coming to the point about where I asked if I should be more affectionate or not, I am sorry if you misunderstood, but since I didnt mention the details of our fight, there was nothing I said during that incident that buttered his ego and that is definitely not what I'm doing now.I simply want to smooth things over. And I do not think that's manipulation.
Posted by 18scorpioNah ... I don't think anyone was saying you were being manipulative.Posted by enfant_terribleOkay, sorry but I think I might feel a little bit confused here. So, waiting long enough to make the first move for open communication is manipulative? Doesn't that mean I at last respect his space as a human being - like forget the fact that he is a Leo for a sec. Like, I don't get it, if he's mad I'm giving him space instead of bombarding him with messages or calls every few hours and I thought that's how you treat people in general??Posted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.
And coming to the point about where I asked if I should be more affectionate or not, I am sorry if you misunderstood, but since I didnt mention the details of our fight, there was nothing I said during that incident that buttered his ego and that is definitely not what I'm doing now.I simply want to smooth things over. And I do not think that's manipulation.click to expand
I think he was just trying to avoid the worn-out stereotypes that get thrown
around here, all too often.
Posted by MontgomerySorry for the derail. I just hate manipulation and EGO stroking falls in that category. So does doing it for your own benefit. I kinda went off the deep end and I apologize for that. I don't think you are manipulating anything or anyone.Posted by 18scorpioNah ... I don't think anyone was saying you were being manipulative.Posted by enfant_terribleOkay, sorry but I think I might feel a little bit confused here. So, waiting long enough to make the first move for open communication is manipulative? Doesn't that mean I at last respect his space as a human being - like forget the fact that he is a Leo for a sec. Like, I don't get it, if he's mad I'm giving him space instead of bombarding him with messages or calls every few hours and I thought that's how you treat people in general??Posted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.
And coming to the point about where I asked if I should be more affectionate or not, I am sorry if you misunderstood, but since I didnt mention the details of our fight, there was nothing I said during that incident that buttered his ego and that is definitely not what I'm doing now.I simply want to smooth things over. And I do not think that's manipulation.
I think he was just trying to avoid the worn-out stereotypes that get thrown
around here, all too often.
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@18Scorpio: Short answer: What Monty said. 🙂
Long answer: I've been up for 20 hrs and feeling philosophical.. 😛
Posted by HappygoluckyI like your authenticity.Posted by MontgomerySorry for the derail. I just hate manipulation and EGO stroking falls in that category. So does doing it for your own benefit. I kinda went off the deep end and I apologize for that. I don't think you are manipulating anything or anyone.Posted by 18scorpioNah ... I don't think anyone was saying you were being manipulative.Posted by enfant_terribleOkay, sorry but I think I might feel a little bit confused here. So, waiting long enough to make the first move for open communication is manipulative? Doesn't that mean I at last respect his space as a human being - like forget the fact that he is a Leo for a sec. Like, I don't get it, if he's mad I'm giving him space instead of bombarding him with messages or calls every few hours and I thought that's how you treat people in general??Posted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.
And coming to the point about where I asked if I should be more affectionate or not, I am sorry if you misunderstood, but since I didnt mention the details of our fight, there was nothing I said during that incident that buttered his ego and that is definitely not what I'm doing now.I simply want to smooth things over. And I do not think that's manipulation.
I think he was just trying to avoid the worn-out stereotypes that get thrown
around here, all too often.
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🙂
Posted by MontgomeryI like yours as well. I'm not too proud to say when I'm wrong. It's just a rarity that I am! Haha. 🙂Posted by HappygoluckyI like your authenticity.Posted by MontgomerySorry for the derail. I just hate manipulation and EGO stroking falls in that category. So does doing it for your own benefit. I kinda went off the deep end and I apologize for that. I don't think you are manipulating anything or anyone.Posted by 18scorpioNah ... I don't think anyone was saying you were being manipulative.Posted by enfant_terribleOkay, sorry but I think I might feel a little bit confused here. So, waiting long enough to make the first move for open communication is manipulative? Doesn't that mean I at last respect his space as a human being - like forget the fact that he is a Leo for a sec. Like, I don't get it, if he's mad I'm giving him space instead of bombarding him with messages or calls every few hours and I thought that's how you treat people in general??Posted by MontgomeryYeap.
Scorp / LEO are very-squarey signs-- diplomacy is a good idea from both parties.
And to clarify since it's obviousely lost on some: I'm saying if the OP wishes to contact the Leo it shouldn't be to stroke his ego but bc she wants open communication.
And coming to the point about where I asked if I should be more affectionate or not, I am sorry if you misunderstood, but since I didnt mention the details of our fight, there was nothing I said during that incident that buttered his ego and that is definitely not what I'm doing now.I simply want to smooth things over. And I do not think that's manipulation.
I think he was just trying to avoid the worn-out stereotypes that get thrown
around here, all too often.
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I would say that you should send him a text message or a voicemail letting him know that you are sorry or love and appreciate him and convey that you are here for him when he is ready. Leos like to feel like they're making their own choices - make him feel like it was his idea. Hope all goes well with your lion.
Posted by mswaim4Thanks for the advice!
I would say that you should send him a text message or a voicemail letting him know that you are sorry or love and appreciate him and convey that you are here for him when he is ready. Leos like to feel like they're making their own choices - make him feel like it was his idea. Hope all goes well with your lion.
My Leo called me three times yesterday and everything is fine now. 🙂 I don't think I've been happier.
Thanks everyone for your inputs!
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