just wanted to clarify something for us libras!

im so tired of reading about how libras are pushovers, people pleasers, etc. i kno there is some truth behind our descriptions but seriously...we are NOT that soft. every libra i know is a "spit fire" lol. whever i tell people i'm a libra there reaction if "whoa, yall r crazy." i think what is all boils down to is that we aren't quick tempered. i personally do this because i'm not into arguing. if i dare to generalize this i would say we try not to argue because once we've been pumped up, theres no bringing us back. as far as being people pleasers, thats not totally true although it may come off this way. its just that i go along with certain things because "who cares?!" who CARES if we eat pizza or burgers? who CARES if we leave at 9 or 10? (touching on our indecisiveness)
as far as relationships go that may be our weak spots. i've been a fool for love befor, but speaking from personally experience i think we grow out of that, quick!(atleast i did) lets not confuse being easygoing with being a pushover. ofcouse i want 2 please my partner, dats what you're suppose to do in relationship, but taken advantage of? NO. dats not a "libra trait" thats general mistakes of love. every person of the zodiac does this.
i have a tendency to treat others the way they treat me. (we're adaptable) if im dealing with sumone calm then that will b the atmosphere of the relationship. if my fella is loud and dramatic(which is usually what i go for) i will be 2.
finally thought, understand i can only speak for myself and personally experience jus like you. but those who dnt kno a libra personally and read about us can get the wrong idea. some of these descriptions floating around are down rite embarrassing.
i just had to share my opinion. is there ANYONE who argees with me or has had the same experiences? us libras realllly need a turnaround.

Obviously, you are new. ha! I like to "debate". At least sometimes, usually with people that are knowledgeable, and flexible of mind. I don't like to debate to "win".

Honest to God, this is the first time in my life that my time is my own. I don't have anyone else's expectations, desires, responsibility to consider. I am just doing what I want to do. It is so freeing!

I think I was trying to please everyone. I just didn't know I was until I stopped. Now that I have stopped, I am really aware that much of my indecision and wishy washiness was really because I was trying to look at all sides of all decisions. If I choose this, how will it effect a, b, c. It is exhausting. But I carried everyone else's wishes and expectations and tried to meet them. I never looked at things from a what do I want perspective. I just didn't realize that until now.

So yes. I do think Libras are pleasers. I don't it is a bad thing. Just one of the lessons we are trying to learn.

sure! i enjoy a good dabate. i do understand the point of looking at all perspectives of a situation before coming 2 a decision (being a libra and all) which would make anybody indecisive. but "people pleaser" is such a strong word. but i do have to agree, their has been many times where i put sum1 else's happiness before my own. this touches on the point that i bought up earlier tho. with maturity and life lessons we are able to grow out of that (just like most people). what i dnt like about it is that libras are labeled as "people pleasers". i know sags, virgos, cancers, etc. that do the same thing. I refuse 2 accept that label lol

I know what you mean. I can't even read descriptions about us anymore because they are usually centered around our diplomatic, indecisive, need for harmony characteristics which is only a part of the story.

We get painted as afraid and always trying to avoid confrontations. However, you don't see many people get confrontational with Libras. We can afford to be diplomatic and easygoing because there is something about us that lets people know we aren't pushovers without having to spell it out.

We are intellectuals after all. We are about principles and concepts. If it isn't undermining any of our core principles than what's the problem. If it is, then there is a big problem. One that we can usually resolve by speaking our minds.

In my experience harmony is a bit off. If there is one thing that we seek above anything else it is truth. Our need for harmony is really a need to expose the truth so that the reason for bickering goes away on it's own in the company of reasonable people.

At least that is the case for me anyway. And a lot of the other Libras I know.

Alot of the other libras I know will question someone directly on the spot whereas scorp's and leo's I know will be suggestive and sensitive in the way they do it.

Pretty contradictory to sun sign descriptions. But I guess a lot of what factors in to the topic of being a pushover or assertive or confrontational/non confrontational has to do with rising and mars.

I'm actually more miffed that people say that Libras are unfaithful. Sure, it's nice to have attention, so long as it's positive, and people may gravitate toward our charm. I'm not a ho though. :\ I love balance, and with that comes a love for stability.

But I see where the idea of being pushovers come from. Sure, a lot of us may go and try to keep the harmony just by doing everything we can in our power. This may make us look like pushovers, but in the same train of thought, if someone takes advantage of me, I will rain hell on them. Sorta like, "be grateful for my help, but don't you ever dare expect it."

When we are younger and less mature it is more likely for us to give in to the things that lead to cheating. Once we are committed by giving love and receiving it we are as faithful as they come.

Whatever life brings my Fiance and I, I will never put her through the pain of being cheated on. I believe that she (Libra as well) will never do the same to me.

I completely agree with the original post. My 1st impression of Libras consisted of all the "stereotypes" & generalizations named in this post. BUT as I got to further understand them, I realized that everything the poster said was true. Of course, there are always the people in general who fit these descriptions, BUT generally, it's all about perspective & how compatible someone's personality is to a Libra, that will determine whether or not their impression of them is stereotypical or not.

I will agree that Libras are not pushovers. They do care about their reputation, image & how others feel. BUT, then again, compared to all the people who are heartless in this day & age, this trait about them is not necessarily the smartest trait to criticize them for. There is nothing wrong with being considerate and/or not being so self-taught all the time. Of course, there's always the Libras (and people in GENERAL) who put too much emphasis on how everyone BUT themselves feel, BUT don't get it twisted, Libras know EXACTLY what they are doing & they are proud of it too. Libras do care about others & they will go out of their way to make sure the people they love are satisfied, & it completely confuses them when others put them down for this, considering the very people who criticize this trait in them are probably the very ones always complaining about how they're significant others/friends are the exact opposite (never giving 2 flips, & always being selfish). Libras can be a little too caring especially if they are dealing with someone who is not right for them, but then again isn't that what love is? The ability to overlook self all the time & actually focus on and/or take into consideration another person's feelings just as much as their own.

I will say though that Libras are very adaptive. They can adapt to any & every situation & personality b/c they are 2-3 dimensional. It's not that others are making them fake or bringing out things/traits in them that weren't already there. They are huge fans of peace & it only makes sense that peacemakers won't necessarily fancy arguing and/or anything that will take away the quality of anything they've worked for/invested in. People criticize them for all the WRONG things

I wll agree though that some Libras can be such a big fan of seeing all sides of an issue that they end up staying/stalling in the middle..literally. IT's not that there is a problem with them being considerate and/or having the ability to be everything BUT narrow/closed-minded. THe problem is moreso in that sometimes Libras can be SO afraid to make mistakes and/or the wrong decision that they'd feel more comfortable just not making a decision at all, thus sitting in the middle & "thinking/figuring things out" is the place they sometimes sit for long periods of time. And this is not always a good thing, especially in situations/circumstances that are more time-sensitive. And it's not even that Libras have to be right..they just hate looking like the impulsive person who always regrets all of their decisions. Sometimes their need for being rational & making logic decisions can cause them to stall & lag for long periods of time & there is no doubt that this can sometimes be just as bad for the Libra moreso than for the other person, sitting, watching & waiting through it all. Sometimes a Libra's deep need to see all sides of an issue can backfire on them, even if their original intent was to make sure that no one (including themselves) has to suffer or get hurt.

Libras are not idiots. They know exactly what they are doing. When I see a Libra in a relationship with someone that is always manipulating the crap out of them, I charge that to the game, moreso than to the fact that they are Libras. I mean, half of America is in the wrong relationship. And I think it's pretty spineless to act as if this type of thing/wrong relationship only occurs for Libras.

"THe problem is moreso in that sometimes Libras can be SO afraid to make mistakes and/or the wrong decision that they'd feel more comfortable just not making a decision at all, thus sitting in the middle & "thinking/figuring things out" is the place they sometimes sit for long periods of time. And this is not always a good thing, especially in situations/circumstances that are more time-sensitive. And it's not even that Libras have to be right..they just hate looking like the impulsive person who always regrets all of their decisions. Sometimes their need for being rational & making logic decisions can cause them to stall & lag for long periods of time & there is no doubt that this can sometimes be just as bad for the Libra moreso than for the other person, sitting, watching & waiting through it all. "

@krysrenee7- Well said! i've spent many of days with this same problem. it drove me nutz. personally, i chalked it up 2 me not liking 2 argue because i do have a temper and once i get started, its hard to calm me down. but ur statment hits the nail on the head!.a big part of me did worry about being WRONG,looking studpid, or hurting the feelings of some1 i care for (even if they didnt care about mine) so i opted 2 keep my mouth shut. but in the long run it really came back 2 hunt me because it made me come off as extremely passive and that is far from the truth.i HATE for people to have the wrong impression of me. recently i've learned to jus say whats on my mind and not 2 care what i look like or what the outcome will be. this is sooo far from my instinctive character tho, so i have to make a concious effort to do this. in the end i've found that this works better for me because i no longer walk around regreating not having defending or having spoken up for myself.
as i've matured i've learned that every problem and every argument doesnt have a sensible solution because all people aren't reasonable. there's no sense of sitting and wrecking ur brain trying to figure one out. just say how u feel, go with your first thought (because its usually right we jus have a tendency to second guess everything but instintively the first reaction is usually the right one to have), and be ok with being wrong because it happens. theres no way to avoid it.

* Libras can be a little too caring especially if they are dealing with someone who is not right for them, but then again isn't that what love is? The ability to overlook self all the time & actually focus on and/or take into consideration another person's feelings just as much as their own.

Yes! This trait however leads us into a lot of trouble. People are so used to playing games that even though we speak the truth and say, "You aren't right for me" because we still see all the great things in the person and continue to engage with them, the other person gets confused when we mean what we say and only want a friendship with them.

Nic - I think libra is motivated by the cousin of truth, justice.

* i've learned that every problem and every argument doesnt have a sensible solution because all people aren't reasonable

Ha! I still haven't learned this. I think I am too much of an optimist and believe that people deep down are reasonable and want to do the right thing. There are very few people I give up on.

I agree with you guys. Just like with any trait within a person, there are both advantages AND disadvantages.
The ADVANTAGES of Libras being, well Libras is that often times people will develop a deep respect for their Libra, b/c they come off as being very self-less & having the ability to befriend and/or stick around when most others would've ran like hell a long time ago. Other people might not like this but then again they can't help BUT to respect this dare-devil & compassionate side within their Libra. Libras being this way save not only them from making bad or impulsive decisions, BUT their patient ways of reasoning can sometimes keep the more impulsive/non-logical types of people on their toes. Libras often make very good decisions & the credit for this often goes towards the very side in them that looks for ALL sides of an issue/situation before any decision is made. And since there are so many pig-headed & impulsive people everywhere, constantly regretting their decisions all the time, this just FURTHER gives Libra the motivation to continue being the patient & self-less thinker.

Libras can look for the good in other people even when everyone else is focused strictly on the negatives/flaws in others. Sometimes it IS necessary to focus on the flaws of a person, b/c doing so can keep a Libra away from harm vs. getting hurt by always trying to be the hero towards people who don't have the same compassion/self-less attitude towards others like their Libra does. This part in them is an advantage especially in the relationship department b/c Libras are fighters & they represent what it means to stick things out, so that the foundation of the friendship/relationship won't have a choice BUT to be stronger & willing to withstand anything. And after all, this isn't such a bad thing, considering all those relationship books often tell us that the problem with society now is in that our generation often gives up too easily and/or for all the wrong reasons. Libras like justice, that's why they are good police officers, judges & counselors. Those police officers, judges & counselors can be mighty annoying sometimes, BUT I don't think anyone could argue & say that they aren't needed to keep that balance in society either

HOWEVER, the DISADVANTAGES to Libras being this way are that often times others translate this about them as their Libra being passive, push-overs and/or not aggressive enough. Others see a Libra taking 5 months to make a decision that otherw would've made in 2 or 3 months & b/c of this huge difference in thinking, others will often assume their Libra is irresponsible or TOO worried about what others think. And yes, while it's necessary sometimes to be self-less & to take other's feelings into consideration, it's NOT always a good thing (OR the solution to every problem) to care SO much so that them caring produces more problems..or basically the complete OPPOSITE of what they were trying to accomplish in the 1st place.
And sometimes it's not even about a Libra changing their caring side; no it's moreso about them sometimes knowing when to turn that side off when it's necessary, no different than them knowing how to "speed up" their thinking process in more time-sensitive issues. It's not about knocking them for being who they are, BUT it's moreso about them needing to learn how to be 1 way all the time. They assume caring less to make a situation better for themselves is the same as them not caring at all or having evil intentions & that is not always true.

Problem is, Libras care so much about what other people think, BUT not b/c they live through others, but moreso b/c when it comes to caring about the little things that go unnoticed by others, "Somebody's gotta do it." It sucks when a Libra really believes within themselves that they are doing others a favor by thinking things through (even if that means annoying the other person) and/or looking for the good in all people, BUT YET doing so makes it so that others do EXACTLY the OPPOSITE Of what they'd planned: Turn against them, assume they are spineless. Libras hate feeling bad for caring about others more than self. They just need to understand sometimes that they don't always have to go out of the way every single time for someone just to prove that they are good people and/or that they are worthy to others. And let's be honest, sometimes Libras (along with people in GENERAL) CAN be push-overs b/c of lack of self-respect. And Libras are even MORE prone to look this way, especially since their sense of caring about others is tweaked a little bit more/higher than most other signs

From my experiences with Libras, it DOES seem sometimes like Libras 2nd-guess their intuitions/common sense sometimes. My 1 Libra best friend will spend 6 months debating on a decison that their heart made 5 months earlier. And to me, it seems as if he'll just keep asking his own heart/mind the same ole questions over & over, but yet never taking his own heart's advice (which was probably given months ago) UNTIL they are just finally ready to stop asking themselves. Sometimes a Libra will go back & forth forever about a decision & sometimes they'll make a decision months/years later, even though they had already considered ALL Sides of the argument a longgggg time ago.

I don't mind a Libra being patient in making their decisions. BUT, it does get a little frustrating sometimes when Libras don't give their intuitions more credit. A Libra might know deep down that the person they are with is NOT right for them. And it might've only took them 2 days/weeks to consider ALL sides of the situation, BUT just b/c they are used to/comfortable being indecisive, they'll just let their thinking process lag on for a long time, just for the sake of letting it lag on, even when it's not necessary & even when their heart/mind was made up a long time ago. THAT is the only frustrating thing I deal with when it comes to Libras.

I can't argue with a Libra if they are not yet sure, BUT once their mind is made up, they need to make their decisions. But to just keep on feeling the need to see/observe sides of an issue that either 1. isn't there/important 2. They've ALREADY considered a long time ago, they make it so that this GREAT trait in them can also sometimes be their biggest enemy & the very thing that can backfire on them

@Size..Thinking about things for a while, making the decision intellectually, just to go back into the "thinking" stages all over again is almost the same as 2nd guessing. Sure, we can all probably look at all sides of an issue for eternity b/c there is always going to be some unique and/or new point of view that we had yet to consider and/or that we hadn't thought of yet, BUT the problem is that decisions mean final. Decisions mean, final say. Making a decision doesn't mean that you are being narrow-minded or 1 sided. Thinking things through is important BUT actually making the DECISION (which was the whole point of thinking things through in the 1st place) is just AS important. All I'm saying is that I wish that Libras didn't constantly stay in the "thinking" stages. Sometimes, it's actually okay to make a decision, thus to just trust that your thinking abilities/skills SO FAR will lead you to the ideal outcome.

Libras letting their fear of always being wrong/making bad decisions consume them can be JUST AS bad as anyone making decisions without thinking things through. Never making a decision at all (OR letting time run out before a decision is finally made) can be just as worse as making a bad decision that was made on impulse. Everyone else who uses AND Trusts their intuitions turn out to be just fine. Sometimes a person can think things through for 2 years but yet STILL make a bad decision. It all depends on a person's perspective & if whether or not they are thinking on the right track in the 1st place. If a person isn't even thinking on the right track/level headed then technically, they can think for 5 years straight on an issue & yet still face the same outcome: making a bad decision. We ALL hate making bad decisions, it's just that Libras can sometimes fear/hate it so much that this fear actually causes them the SAME outcome/loss that those who make impulsive decisions have: NOT the ideal outcome/making a mistake. It's all about moderation. Every decision is based finally on intuition. We can be faced with the facts all day long but our intuition/common sense chooses which facts we will implement into our mindset/way of thinking, to in turn make the final decision. Intuition plays a bigger role than we think

@krysrenee7, YES! Intuition is something that libras have a tendency to ignore, spending too much time intellectualizing things. So what if you can explain why something happens? What does your gut say? How do you feel about it? Are the additional questions we should be asking ourselves.