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Ok what's with the following:...not sure if this is what all Librans do but my friend, yes we are still very good friends even after the last couple of weeks....can't shake him LOL...nah, tis all ok.

Anyway, he works very hard at finding out everything about me and wants to know exactly what I like, yada yada yada...in many aspects not just physical ok?? get your minds out of the gutter. He's forever just looking for more about me (not in a snooping kind of way) but he straight out asks things and will look at me with such intensity I wonder what his motives are.

I wonder why would he do this if he's not prepared for any more than just to be friends? why dig into my world so much? some of the stuff is really quite personal and close and I wonder whether you guys know when to stop? LOL. Having said that though, I don't get offended, etc, and I always answer him truthfully but I just have to wonder why so much effort?

Then he'll go off for a few more days and I won't hear from him, then suddenly re-appears again just to seek me out more....strange but cute too.

Also, lately he's been starting to bitch about his ex again and starts telling me stuff....should I be asking him to elaborate more or should I just listen, etc....its as if he's trying to get me to ask but til now I haven't

*shrugs*

I fear getting closer to him due to the fact I am ready to move to that next level with him but he isn't....I don't want him to make me feel that way again just to let me fall yet again.

Your thoughts?



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aaaaaaaaaaaaand why on earth call me cute little nicknames (No, I am not telling you!!!), and just do little cute things to annoy me (on purpose)? It really is like we're having a r/ship without admitting it to anybody.

Seriously I don't understand why he's doing all the cutesy stuff if he's only after FWB *shrugs*

He says stuff that he'd probably cringe at telling other people....absolute nonsense and dribble, yet feels ok to do around me?....its utterly hilarious some of this stuff and sometimes very childish....I love it but again, he's making me feel too comfortable again.

Or do you guys talk silly to just about anybody?
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He might be trying to convince himself into being with you. I don't know about this, it has turned so many directions. Sometimes this happens with Libras who are trying to force it to work on their end, sometimes it happens with libras who don't want to fall in love but can't help it and everything works out great.

I just don't know.

The wanting to figure out everything about you is a little bit uncharacteristic. I don't ask too many questions because mystery is exciting to me. It turns me on.
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It has turned so many directions hasn't it?? LOL.

See that's the confusion for me....I'd understand him trying to figure me out if he was indeed interested in pursuing anything but he has made it painfully clear he's not even remotely ready for anything serious for some time yet with ANYBODY. I understand that and am trying (I repeat, trying if he didn't get so close again) to keep myself from getting more attached. Its taken me a while now to come to terms with the fact we will never be more than what we are as after 8 months one would think it'd be different.

Was just wondering why he'd try even harder knowing he said those things to me re: not being ready only a week ago. You would think he'd walk away for a while and let things die down but nup!!

I doubt he's ready or is even capable of loving anybody and may even have forgotten how to altogether.

As I said to him on the weekend (tactfully of course)...he is "complicated" and he couldn't agree more, in fact he seemed quite proud of this fact, then questioned why I would say this LOL.....he's quite inquisitive and get this...he even started straightening things up at my place as he was trying to say goodbye...his way of trying to snoop somewhat LOL....must say he's getting RATHER COMFORTABLE in my home and in my company...its like we're best friends and he can just say anything and/or do anything with me, without being embarassed or feeling like an idiot, etc, but no freaking commitment except see you soon or see you later as he walks out the door after the best kisses and hugs one can imagine.....grrrrrrrrrrr LOL. CONFUSING!!!!!!!!

Nah its ok - just wanted to know if this was a normal trait to want to know EVERYTHING but you've nailed it Nic...thanks 🙂
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I agree with LS. That's stalling his exit.

I think he wants to cross the bridge and come to you but he cannot see the path. And that's really difficult for us. But we'll keep making a fool of ourselves, putting ourselves out there.

If he cannot see how this is going to come together (even though you can) then it is very difficult for him. Part of his problem is that he has put you up SO HIGH that he does not know how to climb that mountain and put himself next to you.

He keeps reaching out which is Effort. And Effort means wanting you. You know it...

Go with his plan, it's a time thing. He needs to get his head around how to create the path.
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I agree with Libra and LS, when Libras are comfortable with you, they do say the craziest, sometimes otherwise unappropriate things, because they can and they feel free with expressing whatever to you, however it doesn't always mean they want to be in a relationship per se. They are just so comfortable with you and obviously care and know you care for them, you are sort of their comfort zone, when they can "just be themselves" it relieves them and they let go. Be careful Chatz that you don't read this to mean more than it actually does....

***I fear getting closer to him due to the fact I am ready to move to that next level with him but he isn't....I don't want him to make me feel that way again just to let me fall yet again.***

Exactly my point. If you can handle being friends and joking around without the emotion, then continue to do so, but you must be emotionally equipped for that so that you don't fall for him again and he turns you down again...

Unless he says.... Chatz, I love you and want to be in an exclusive relationship with you. Or something of that nature, then don't take what he says and does very serious to mean that something is seriously going on. If it happens you will know. He might not say those exact words or even close, but you will know. Trust me.



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Thanks all 🙂

Thats the problem...the emotions but he made me so cross last night (not that he actually knows this) but he finally accepted an invitation to have dinner with his father (whom he doesnt actually get along with so well) and his new fiance...he's been putting it off for so long. I just felt like saying "what I wouldn't give to be able to have dinner with my father" and make him feel guilty for taking everybody for granted as he does but of course i didn't.

Geeeze but what I wouldnt give or just to be able to say goodbye - sheesh!!! This guy needs to be told but uh uh not me!!! I was so close though LOL

Anyway he was all grumpy last night so I might give him loads of space over the weekend and do my own thing...he's made no plans with me so its a girls weekend - wooohooo!!! *looks for some red paint*

xx
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Moi— *blushes*

Im ok....he's just driving me insane&like I said...taking everybody for granted. Eventually people (including myself one day) learn to walk away. Im certainly not sitting around waiting for him these days and over the past 1/2 hour have filled my weekend up with plans that admittedly I'd rather have with him but ya get that, (I must also admit I did hope he'd ring/contact me somehow in the past months to make plans but notnemore) but I do like his company LOL. He can sit at home and mope and feel sorry for himself rather than spend time with those who WANT to see him...he can have his singles sites and chat to strangers while the one who really wants to be with him goes out and has REAL fun. 2 years is plenty for him to get over his ex...plenty!!! Life's too short 🙂 Love him to bits but I gotta live too and I just won't be bogged down with his depression....he knows where I am and how to contact me - he never has a problem finding me when he realises something is missing. Im sure I'll see him in a week or so once whatever is bugging him has gone.

"He keeps reaching out which is Effort. And Effort means wanting you. You know it...

Go with his plan, it's a time thing. He needs to get his head around how to create the path." Yup, Im going with the flow but sitting at home waiting yet another weekend to pass by without seeing him? not this time...I miss my friends and I miss the fun I used to have before he came along...he really needs to find himself and my time is also precious to me (I have all the time in the world for him) - I know who I am and Im comfortable with who I am...I WANT him to keep reaching out (he's doing this, yes I know) and he knows I'll be there for him when he's ready 🙂

Have yourselves a wonderful weekend all....

xx
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Well did everybody have a lovely weekend? I did, OMG did I have fun!!! Its been so long since I've gone out with my friends and done all those things before Mr. Libra came along hehehe.

Get this though, I got home just after midnight on Friday night (Saturday morning) and dunno what came over me but I logged online and messenger and guess who was waiting for me— yup, Mr. Libra...first thing he wrote was "where have you been?"...like hello, since when have you cared? and I wrote back "dinner, drinks" and we chatted some more and then again, "so where did you go tonight?" and I replied "to a friends for dinner"....his reply:..."oh a friend, woooooo"....huh—?? wtf— Then a little later he wrote "Im going to head off to bed, and you should do the same"...OMG wtf again— I went out all of Saturday/all of Saturday night, most of Sunday and didn't go online any of that time....it felt so good to not hang on for him this weekend and no doubt he'll be wondering what I've been up to but hey, he could have made plans with me....its not like he went out all weekend - yes I know LOL. He'd rather sit at home alone than give me more than once or twice a fortnight.....grrrrrrr. I don't get it.

All I need now is to do that for a few weekends and I might be able to cut loose from this guy...he can have his singles sites, he can have his sitting at home chatting to all and sundry, and maybe he'll realise something is missing. No doubt he will contact me during the week to catch up this weekend because he is so predictable and transparent - yes I have worked it out now. Just gotta be strong enough not to text him, not to go online at nights and ignore him all together 🙂

Encourage me people, encourage me....coz I can't be in love with a man who has for the past 8 months not given me any more than when we first met. He showed all the signs of getting closer yet pulled back so many times. It clearly isn't meant to be

Be strong Chatzee, be strong!!!
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QS...Yep I understand...I am trying to stay away - haven't made contact with him in any way, shape or form since he called me up midnight last Friday/Saturday and Im not about to either. I know he'll give me a last minute thought on this Saturday night while he has his daughter and try to encourage me to hook up with him on Sunday night but while I've had my head in the clouds something has been happening right in front of my eyes that I didn't see....a Sagittarius who is hot in pursuit and you know what— Im going to let him...I can't remember how long its been since I've received a text from somebody just being sweet for no reason (yes LIbra could be sweet but mostly it was the bait he'd use so he could see me for well you know!!...and it always worked...Im a sucker for him!!). This Sag?? he just sends texts to see if Im having a good day - OMG Libra would NEVER do that.

Goes to show....when one pulls their head out of their a $ $ one sees properly again.

No I am not in love with the Sag, well not yet...it will take a long time to get over Libra but I know I do have to walk away for good and start living my life again...sad and gutwrenching as I will miss him terribly but he is basically just using me while he finds himself again and as soon as he does? Im sure I'd be dumped so quickly I'd not know what happened to me!! Im not making contact to tell him, I am just going to be unavailable coz I can't look at him and tell him, nor can I write to him and tell him. He will understand given the last few weeks of communications between us....its not all bad, its just I know where he is right now and his heart nor mind is not with me...he admits he's lost and going through a midlife crisis but I've been there for 8 months and nothing has grown...its time 😢

Anyway, all good - we will remain friends in the long run and its been a blast....maybe in another lifetime or maybe down the track in years to come - who knows? anything is possible.

I will continue to stay on the board though as I have become quite attached to you all LOL.

Mwahs!!
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By now he know you well. But not completely or to the point where he can convince himself that though you dont look the one, you can be a strong replacement and things can be good even in the long run. Loosen up a bit, make him get a bit more grip on you... sometimes we need a shoulder to cry but we are bloody proud. He definitely needs you to listen to his story but not sure how you may react or judge him if he start telling all those without you pushing him. 😉
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Yup especially when Mr LIbra seems to have some guydar attached to him!! We talked last night - yup he made the move...tis always the way and yup, always makes me feel like Im the most important in his life. He has been working 14 hour days which is understandable as he is in sales and its the end of financial year here. He was pretty tired but said "I promise to have more energy soon" meaning he'll catch up with me on Saturday night online to chat while he has his daughter and talk me into hooking up on Sunday night...tis the cycle..*sigh*

The trick though, is for me not to be online Saturday night *has a date* I feel so disloyal but as my friends keep telling me:...YOU owe him nothing!!! He has given you nothing....sad, sad, sad but gonna be strong - ROAR!!!! Can I see both the Libra and Sag at the same time— is that bad— LOL

Oh God, dilemmas!!! 😛
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Chatz,

I know how you feel. Going through a similiar situation. But i seriously think that if Libra men still hang on and pursue you, then they are basically interested just not 100% sure.

But its a roller coaster ride with them.

And i dont think its fair that they will just ride along like this and play with people's emotions but i really dont think they realize they are doing it.

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***I know how you feel. Going through a similiar situation. But i seriously think that if Libra men still hang on and pursue you, then they are basically interested just not 100% sure.

But its a roller coaster ride with them.

And i dont think its fair that they will just ride along like this and play with people's emotions but i really dont think they realize they are doing it.***

kekenc, Libras care about all of the people in their lives, this is where we (woman) get confused about their caring for us as a friend or something more, because they are so giving and caring to their lover and friends. You really need to find what their true intentions are. Most Librans will keep in contact with ex lovers/girlfriends if there wasn't an uncomfortable ending. It doesn't necessarily mean they are persuing you per se. They are just sort of keeping their options open, incase anything changes in the future sort of. They are freindly/people's people so they enjoy people period.

As far as sex goes, because they can have sex without the emotional connection (sometimes)and are such attentive and pleasing lovers, others often think that it means more than just sex, when actuality that is all it is - they just aim to please whomever they are intimately involved with. Ya know. Did that make sense at all, just typing what comes to mind sort of.
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QueenS,

Again, you have outdone yourself. Everything you say,make so much sense. I know you are tired of me telling you that but you are so wise and you know how to give advice.

Even if its good or bad, you tell it just like it is and it always sounds so good and so true.

Never leave this board. We come here for your replies. Hope we're not stressing you out with our problems...
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The more I hear your advice, i really think that he's just keeping his options open with us but really not ready for anything serious. I know i give him mixed feelings like he does me (not as bad) but i really feel that he just doesnt know what to do but doesn't want to let go either. LIke you said, he wants to be really good friends but nothing more until he's ready but right now he's not.

So as i've said, i'm just going to enjoy this friendship I have with him and leave it like that.

Let me tell you how it is with my life right now, LOL, the men that want me BAD, i dont want them. The one that I want doesnt want me like I want him. LOL. Life is something else. I need to rethink a lot of things. Since my divorce, i've been afraid to really fall for anyone and I did for this man. My other friends are very good to me and we're not sexually involved but they want more but i dont (not with them). I think its because this Libra guy has me so caught up. LOL.

And the bad part about it Queen, is I dont even know why i want this Libra. I think he has put a spell over me because its not my character to even care about a man like this especially if they have a personality like this Libra.

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"Let me tell you how it is with my life right now, LOL, the men that want me BAD, i dont want them. The one that I want doesnt want me like I want him. LOL. Life is something else. I need to rethink a lot of things. Since my divorce, i've been afraid to really fall for anyone and I did for this man. My other friends are very good to me and we're not sexually involved but they want more but i dont (not with them). I think its because this Libra guy has me so caught up. LOL.

And the bad part about it Queen, is I dont even know why i want this Libra. I think he has put a spell over me because its not my character to even care about a man like this especially if they have a personality like this Libra."

OMG this is so familiar!!!! It IS a spell LOL.

LOL QS....you're looking damned fine for 76y.o.!!!! 😛
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"I think he has put a spell over me because its not my character to even care about a man like this especially if they have a personality like this Libra."

Interesting ! I used to think like that but I realise that it isnt he has spell or charm - it 's me who tied myself with an illusion he does - once I break that glass , it's all just ordinary , like the rest of us . If you can still bare all that , go for it 🙂
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***And the bad part about it Queen, is I dont even know why i want this Libra. I think he has put a spell over me because its not my character to even care about a man like this especially if they have a personality like this Libra.***

They all cast spells. It is the charm my dear, the charm and the charisma. They just draw you in.

What is his personality?
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UPDATE:

called my LIbra up re: blocking me on msn yet being online....I actually waited 3 nights in a row and it was just all too obvious I was being blocked. As much as it worried me that it would be the wrong thing to do, I still did it...I text him saying "you are not being very nice but I get the message loud and clear"...of course it wasn't until the next morning he replied as if he didnt know what I was on about but I replied and told him a few home truths...he replied quite lengthy and admitted what I'd pointed out and asked if he could call...I was driving though and didn't reply..next thing a call but I couldn't talk..then another lengthy text asking me to at least write everything down in an email as he didnt understand why I was so angry. I did this, to which he replied a HUGE email back to me with what would appear to be quite emotional and heartfelt. The effort he put in was quite enormous and yeah I feel bad but somebody had to point out a few things.

Dunno if it was wrong or right but I deserved the chance to at least show him that how he treats me is wrong, that he had been sprung, that it was obvious, that I was angry, that I wasn't going to sit back and just take what he was prepared to dish out. He seemed to respect that but of course now Im waiting for the balancing act to occur LOL.

SOMEBODY had to do it...he cannot stay in his "midlife crisis" forever!!! If its the last thing I do, Im going to make sure of that - he might be upset/angry/irritated with me right now (although I do doubt that given the lengths he went to in the last 24 hours) but he may see the light one day...I may not benefit but in a way I will - I will see him happy 🙂

I told him that I am staying offline for the next couple of weeks, that Im chilling out, and going interstate to visit my family as well as going for work...he seemed a little worried that I was going away and we hadn't seen eachother for the past 2 weeks (his bloody doing!!). Not sure whether he will try to catch up with me before next week when I travel or not but he just wrote at the end (when I decided to end the conversation for a change) that he will catch me on the phone soon. We shall see

Having said all that though, and as much as my heart is with him, I am going on my first date with the Sag tonight..Its something I look forward to as I know Saggies aren't all that difficult to work out - it'll be a pleasant change but again, my heart is with Mr Libra 😛
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Oh Chatz, you aren't ready to let him go. Although, you are doing well to date others. However, as long as you stay intangled with the Libra, no matter how many others you may see/date, they won't even have a chance. I am not telling you what to do. Follow your heart, just don't keep getting drawn in if he isn't giving you what you want and deserve. Believe me I know it is hard.