Libra In-Depth

Libra
The Principle of Giving and Receiving

Element-Air
Quality-Cardinal
Symbol-The Scales
Sun Sign Dates-September 24 to October 23
Planetary Ruler-Venus
Natural Zodiac Affinity-Seventh House

Libra wants to create harmony. Libra seeks balance. Libra tries to avoid extremes, but often the seeking of balance calls for extreme measures. This sign has a reputation for being easy-going. That's because they are great diplomats. They can understand the other guys point of view. They usually prefer the path which avoids conflict and this often makes them appear indecisive. Anyone who makes the mistake of thinking they're pushovers will be in for a surprise. You push. Libra pushes back. Balance. Remember? Giving and receiving. What you give is what you get. There are some Librans who will actually create imbalance so they can step in and balance it out again!

Some Librans are passive-aggressive. For example, rather than confronting someone with "in your face" behavior, they would instead quietly go about their business, refusing to satisfy demands made on them. When the other party finally explodes, Libra feels vindicated in a strange kind of way.

They do have a hard time making up their minds sometimes. They also seek a kind of perfection. Perfect balance is not always an easily attained goal. Libra is a Cardinal sign. They are aggressive in a charming way. They use charm to get what they want. At worst they are insincere.

Night needs day. Man needs woman. Soup needs sandwich. Libra needs people to complement their existence. Relating to someone is a big Libran issue. Libra is sociable. They enjoy interacting with other people. Libra needs people to bounce their ideas off of and to make them feel complete. They are gracious and fair-minded. Libra creates a pleasant environment by showing us the benefits working cooperatively and harmoniously with one another.

Pure Libra energy is .......
* learning about giving and receiving
* avoids conflict-if possible
* can display extreme behavior-if off balance
* often labeled as "too nice."
* can be wishy-washy in an effort to gain approval
* charming and socially adept
* lavish and extravagant
* appreciates beauty, refinement and harmony
* other person-oriented
* into fairness-what you give is what you get
* understands opposing points of view, often, making
them indecisive about their own life.
* an intellectual approach

The House with Libra on the cusp is where you want fairness or balance.

barf.

ditto

I have to say that if Librans are a peace sign they sure as hell know how to cause so much frustration and disharmony!!

Love all my Libran friends but truly, I have never known more unbalanced people in all my entire life and to treat them with kit gloves?? nup, not this little chicky, notnemore 🙂

Mwahs

Is it that you have not known more unbalanced people, or you have not known anyone who unbalances you more?


Muahahahaha.

Balance is only found in the end. After balance is found there is no need to weigh, if there is no need to weigh, there is no need for us. Don't be so quick for your libra to find perfect balance, when we do....we lose passion. Say what you will about our cyclic ways. But in the end, you would be hard pressed to find another who has a more clear understanding of a broader range of things.

I am tending to think that everyones perception of Libra being superficial is actually an ironic twist of their depth. DUALITY and doublespeak. You can't know one without knowing the other.

LOL...as always, a great response...love it.

You know me Nic, Im just stirring you all up!! Need some excitement on this particular board...sheesh, its all gone quiet 🙂

But having said all of that, I am no longer just going to take things sitting down in my own particular situation...Im done being patient, not pushing, not taking, doing all the work, making all the first contact, etc. Lets see what he's made of if I shouldn't be so quick for him to find perfect balance. yes, I do believe I've never found anybody who unbalances me more than this man....ones who have totally pi $ $ ed me off yes, but not unbalanced me - sheesh LOL. Apparently he'd be "heartbroken" if we were to end...ummm hello? what r/ship? see what I mean?? confusion PLUS so this Leo is keeping herself entertained in other ways 🙂

Tis all good in the land of Oz....just doing my own unbalancing thing at the moment...busy, busy, busy!!

Hope you are well

Chatz ur funny. But as much as you blow off the Lib. scale balancing... I dont care attitude- you care. Ya, I spent a number of years helping mine balance his and then he was off. I got tired of him putting wood on the fire and watching it burn. I came to him even when he was the one that made the mess to make amends. Peacemaker my arse. Peacemaker did not necessarily mean ambassador of confidence and fortitude or honesty- it meant "do you have a back door?" Peacemaker should be defined more like Avoidance Technician, Smoke & Mirror Magician, Advanced Smoke Blower. . . Any Lib's needing a resume typed up, I'll do it. You'll have to buy your degree online from some other smarmy site though. But the way screwed up thing here is- I still love him. AND he is already moved on to his next victim in no time flat.

"But as much as you blow off the Lib. scale balancing... I dont care attitude- you care" Yes I do, however, you can only care for so long and yes, I will always want to be friends but for now Im just living my life away from his 🙂

"Ya, I spent a number of years helping mine balance his and then he was off. I got tired of him putting wood on the fire and watching it burn. I came to him even when he was the one that made the mess to make amends" This is what I am truly trying to avoid coz I can see it coming!! I mean, really, with all the advice given on these creatures, after almost 8 months I should be in a better place with mine...Im just the transition girl until something better comes along and lets face it, he spends every day and night looking for that better one!! Time spent behind a computer could be much more fun spending it with me at nights but he'd prefer to sit at home alone chatting to all and sundry but honestly life is too short....I refuse to chase any longer and guess what?? there is a life after a LIbran 🙂

xx

Thank God that there is!! My peace of mind comes from the fact that yes, I warned him plenty regarding stupid issues he got locked into and he still carries the weight of bad decisions. I didnt want it in my life and he didnt want to fix it in the name of Almighty Stubborness. Oh well. He wants a relationship for the sake of a relationship sometimes. Did he love me, oh yes, professed numerous times and then acted stupid. He cant stand to be alone. So whomever he is with- he carries the same suitcase. He asked me to marry him and the next day told me he avoided paying taxes for 4+ years and was in the same scam that is dragging a well-known actor down. And wants me to feel like I just missed the biggest boat that is or was ever to come my way. He did it to me, he'll do it again. He calls his ex-wife psycho (overused boring cliche) and then goes to her as his sounding board. Oh man. Feel the freedom Chatz. I feel sorry for the new chick. Maybe she'll accept this baggage, but my life there is no room for that.

STOP THE LIBRA BASHING... STOP IT...

Seriously girls, they can be indecisive if they are not in a sure place in their lives. Everything boils down to the right timing. If a Libra is sure about how he feels about a person and knows that person would be a great asset to his life then they all usually go for it. However, the person involved must understand that in the Libra world, as they are "people persons," A person who would be a great asset to their lives can be on several levels... A friend, confident, mate, hang out buddy, FWB. Libras love all people who are dear to them in their lives on many levels. They concour those who they know are the perfect mate for them, and only when they are sure of this will they submit totally, and then you will have their hearts, their whole heart.

The worst thing is when they are not sure, then they go back and forth in their minds if they should/shouldn't make you a mate. "Why don't I know?" "Okay, she is great- this could be a great relationship." Oh, what am I doing? I am just not sure." - Yes ladies that would be a problem.

When a Libra is sure,it is more like. "Wow, I want her, I think she would be a great partner, and I know I want her in my life." When they are in that "sure" space, they let you have it!!! To the point where more "sure" signs become rather unsure because of how sure the labeled "indecisive Libra" has become...

I know confusing, but they are who they are. Hope that helps.

yes, yes. that is for sure Queen. But understand that- once a girl has been spoiled by a Lib. in her life- try as I did to make him stop, it is a tough blow to not have someone up your butt. You sorta miss the up your buttedness. So please, let me have a moment to vent. I did not handle many things well in that relationship that is for sure, but I was honest enough to express my emotions. Cancer like. Yikes!! Or Aquarius moonlike. Yikes!!I am not a 20 something. May sound like it here a bit, but I am not. There were kids involved on both sides. He and I were in our mid-30's at the time. This was not a young college romance with parties and other girls and guys and teehee kind of stuff.
Cancers are passionate and all out too.
Let me vent a little. I'll be ok soon.

Cancerous, what really happened? My closest female friends have been and are cancers so I know you girls pretty well. I am a little lost on your story with your libra. Cancers can be way too emotional for Libras though. I do know that. send me a message. I am a lil confused here.

Gotta love those LIbran beasts...QS Im not bashing, not at all...cos we all know Im insanely devoted to mine but it appears he's too lost for me to hang on any longer....he can have his singles sites and sit at home every night typing away to strangers.

Sorry if anybody thought that was a bashing, believe me it wasn't!! 😛

I have "aired" my frustrations. I can be emotional, thank God for the Aqua. and Leo rising that seem to tame down some of it. I am a girl-we're supposed to be emotional. Libra was dishonest in numerous areas of his life (not unfaithful), but in other ways. I cant stand dishonesty or dishonest behaviour. He lied to me straight off that I was the first customer he asked out only to find out that through an acquaintance and the nature of his biz. he had asked this other girl out too. It was luck that I found that out- his mouth dropped I am sure. He wanted things I could not give him based upon my belief system. He was "new" to the dating scene, so he says, but he used this as more of an excuse than a reason to better himself. I cannot rehash (3) years of stuff. Another issue was our clash in raising kids. He would bag on his ex wife then turn around and use her for a sounding board for intimate issues in our relationship and double standard like as he would be pissed if an old acquaintance/bf of (17)years ago and lived clear across the states would call-rarely, but call. I have one son he had a son and daughter. they were all relatively the same age. In the beginning it was all messy as the kids were 8, 9, 10 (my son and his only 4mths apart, mine older) when we met. There were issues with how I raised mine as a single mom and his kids with their mother on one side, him on the other and the both of them coming out of a divorce. There were issues with him and he battled depression because of it. Geez, just a lot of issues- but honestly there were more coming from his end than mine. The reason I said that I didnt handle it was the fact that I felt more like someone to hang out with (he cant stand to be alone) more than a loved one. He would shower me with things and money and act like that was enough. I am not very materialistic. I want a man first, and if he has money than bonus. He ended it by creating an illusion of distance with his family and I, then created an argument, then we didnt talk for a while. He emailed me (which he hasnt been on the internet in years, different story) as a way to return a phone call. I figured out he was online dating and had started dating someone else. That was how it ended. He will still answer my calls, helped me out with a crash move I had to make. And some other "contacts" were made, but I thnk most of that was done out of fear I would contact his new girl as I accidently found a paper in his car with her info.

Is it totally over with us? I guess. I mean within a few weeks of him dating her he stated that we were and that he "loved" this other girl. But he has done things he never would before and still claims he loves this other girl. What? After a few weeks of dating her? Puuhhhlease. I think it is more of a "we're done" statement than true love. he wanted me to be pissed and walk away. Ha, he's forgotten I am Cancer- clingy little claw people. damn us. I dunno. I secretly hope he gets his heart broke and comes to me with a different point of view. She's younger with (2) kids that are way young, which is funny as that was another issue. he stated numerous times he never wanted anymore kids (I kinda did) I was younger than I am now. I dont know what her sitch. is but I get the feeling it is way more flexible than mine (kidwise). I was always scrambling for someone to watch mine so we could go and do stuff. he showed little to no interest in my son as his excuses changed month to month year to year. I tried to be understanding in the beginning that his own son would be jealous of the times that were spent with him, my son and I. But after a few years and his ex remarried a man with (2) kids which included a boy similar in age. . . Puuuhhhlease again. he needed to work thru that with his son and never did. he would just pull away from my son- which was not fair as my son never knew or will know his own father.
He claims to have told her about me, but I get the feeling that there is a huge veil in front of the truth. If this chick new what she was in for - I pity the fool. He has tax avoidance issues- which did not sit well with me at all. I wanted him to fix that and he started to than stopped. I am a voice of honest reason he has chosen to run away from. His tactic was to ask if I'd marry him and then turn around the next day and state that he hadnt paid the IRS in 4 now 5 years. now I was the one that had a dislocated jaw over that. He gets you all spoiled and comfy and then lays the truth in your lap. I know that is part why he was petrified if I called this chick as I know he wont tell her a lot of things (this being one of them). if I was emotional it was for good cause and righteous causes. Not all boo hooey sort of crap. Real life changing issues and decisions.

it takes every ounce of me not to call this chick and burst the bubble. For her own good. She's a Gem. so maybe I should let it be.

WOW! Alchemy you have some competition in the "long post" writings.

"Libra In-Depth= Oxymoron —




just kidding,scalies!!!"

nu uh, you speak the truth 🙂

The Queen Scorp. asked. I indulged. Hope you all have nice appetites for serious verbage. If not, well, there are always the "happy meal" posts.

thank you for input dear unbiased Libra. ha ha ha

Woah.... Cancer-ous, I guess I asked and I should know cancers are detailed people.

Well... Sorry things happene that way. A couple of point though.

Libra men can fall in love quickly, I know, it seems unrealistic to most, but they are capable. They just know right off the bat if they want that person as a mate or not. A gift I guess. I never know initially and Libra/Gem combos are supposed to be an awesome match.

Also, you could be right about him telling you that he loved the Gem for you to walk away, as they hate to deliberately and rudely hurt people's feelings.

Yes, him sharing your intimate details with the ex is sooo wrong... Him not taking to your son would have been an immediate deal breaker for me. No one comes before my child... That is important. Funny, I have a very close cancer female friend who less than a year ago married a Gem guy who doesn't really take well to her son, however she accommodates his daughter. I warned her that there should be a relationship between him and her son way before they got married, she didn't listen and now she hates it.

So, Just let him go. Yes, cancers are the clingiest people I know, especially the men. Move on, he has stated his case. Don't give him the saticfaction of knowing you want him regardless.

It really doesn't seem like there is a relationship going on here at all. By all means, leave the Gem out of it, please don't call the girl and tell her things about him really what would that prove? Why should you care? Move on girl. It isn't healthy to be this way... Sorry again, relationships can suck sometimes.

Not trying to prove anything. Only save this girl month's if not years of heartache. He cheated on her 5x's already-with me. Which I swore I wouldnt do and each time was for a different reason. he sought me out not the other way around. another tactic of his, but I saw thru it. now he looks like the schmuck, not me. I mean I feel badly for other reasons, but not becuz he's "dating" someone. I sorta forget that fact when I see his face again.

he was very faithful to me and his ex wife I know that, but he's changed. I mean it was malicious acts in his heart a couple of those times I know. he had tears in his eyes the first time. I dont know why.

Dirty laundry. this all reads like a trashy novel. I cant stand Springer and now look at me.

***He cheated on her 5x's already-with me. Which I swore I wouldnt do and each time was for a different reason. he sought me out not the other way around. another tactic of his, but I saw thru it. now he looks like the schmuck, not me. I mean I feel badly for other reasons, but not becuz he's "dating" someone. I sorta forget that fact when I see his face again.***


Okay.... And you feel okay with the fact you were sleeping with someone who was involved with someone else? There is something to prove if you feel the need to tell her anything about him especially when you are just as much at fault as he is. Wow!!!

So, after he cheated on the woman he loved, with a person (you) he confessed this love of the other woman to. You mean to tell me you truly believe he never cheated on you? Come on now, you can't be that naive...

People do sometimes change and make exceptions, but most of us are creatures of habit for the most part...

Why is he even a discussion now, I have no idea and try to value yourself a little more. You obviously still have deep feelings for him or you wouldn't care about him and the gem and you especially wouldn't desire to cause any malice by wanting to tell her about what he is doing to her, especially when you would look very bad in the whole scenario. Let it go. Not healthy at all.

***Dirty laundry. this all reads like a trashy novel. I cant stand Springer and now look at me.***

Ugghhh yeah, and do you realize how dirty your part in all this looks? Who do you think is being used (the most) you or the Gem? Really.

ok, I do not want to be a falling stone here, but I know for a fact that he was faithful to his wife(he had to be) and me (although he did bluff another girl for a couple of weeks after an argument 6mths after we dated and I was out of town at the time, he tried to break up with me 3,000 miles away while he chased her or acted like it) a friend of mine gave me the 411. But honestly, I did still have feelings for him. he met this chick online and started dating her. it was in their early stages at the same time I found out he was even seeing anyone else at the time or that he was even serious. I had a ton of other stuff going on as well. I am NOT seeing anyone- therefore to me, I am free. I cheated on no one, nor would I. he had a vendetta and carried it out. I am wrong in other ways regarding 5x's but not in regard to that girl. I mean he would tell me the next day he loved her (he has to- he has obligations and "appearances" to uphold in front of members of his family). It was all part of the game. I swear he has a gemini moon or rising or something. it was a game, trust me. but I suppose if you want to say, revenge is not bliss- than I should put myself in check and say that you are right QS.
** who is being used most? he only did it to spite me. do I care?, not when I see thru it. in the end she will be. he can never take back his stupidity. I did care about him, but I see his capabilities and incapabilities and really she can have him and his issues. I was "used" in his mind, but really who looks stupid now? Not me. he exposed himself to be a huge jerk. It's enough fat to chew for awhile.

***I know for a fact that he was faithful to his wife(he had to be) and me (although he did bluff another girl for a couple of weeks after an argument 6mths after we dated and I was out of town at the time, he tried to break up with me 3,000 miles away while he chased her or acted like it) a friend of mine gave me the 411. But honestly, I did still have feelings for him. he met this chick online and started dating her. it was in their early stages at the same time I found out he was even seeing anyone else at the time or that he was even serious.***

Cancer-ous, now really, if this in any form or fashion sounds like a faithful person to you at all, then maybe you don't know what faithful, or exclusive is—

He got involved with another girl after an arguement (however you were still together) and also a girl online? Again, faithful? Huh?

You don't know if he was faithful to his wife or not... He is the only one who knows that and maybe his wife, hence they are no longer married.

***I am NOT seeing anyone- therefore to me, I am free. I cheated on no one, nor would I. he had a vendetta and carried it out. I am wrong in other ways regarding 5x's but not in regard to that girl.***

Uhhh, no, you didn't do anything to the other girl, however you played yourself very cheap. Allowing him to use you as his "chick on the side" why would he be in a relationship with you, when he can have you whenever he wants. The difference between you and the Gem (in his mind) is, you make it easy for him and he can get you whenever (play thing, chick on the side). She is "his woman" (his girl, the one he really wants). Although what he is doing is wrong to both of you. If you both agreed to be FWB's and neither of you had a mate, there would be no fowl pay. Ya know?

I am just pointing the obvious out in hopes that you see what kind of situation you are allowing yourself to be in, maybe unconciously. Not to judge, just pulling your coat tail perse.

Also, how you could think this person is a faithful one, after all the cheating he has done in your posts are beyond me. Sometimes we want something so bad we convince ourselves it is true when it isn't. Think about it. Find someone who deserves you and respects you. You must respect yourself first.

ok, please understand that he WAS faithful to his wife the entire time they were together. we dated 3years I know his wife. he was. like I said HE HAD TO. and he isnt a cheating type. until now it seems-but he was 'using me" in his my mind to "throw me away". in the beginning of this year we had problems based upon other issues that I stated and other issues. he wanted to get married and I stood my ground in regard to those issues and then some. he ran around iwth the other girl to make me jealous and then called me to break it off so as to not look so bad. it is lame I know. we had an argument. that's his thing, a gem thing maybe, that he would cause arguments and distractions to take the easy way out. that was his thing here. really he wanted to be done with me this was his way. I was not his chick on the side. I was a girlfriend that wanted certain things in her life and he didnt want to follow thru. I was not a chick on the side as you put it. it was more or less his way of pushing me out the door and a way for me to say goodbye. its wierd I know. but it was also all of the above. he wasnt trying to see me and her as well. he was trying to get in my pants (which is one thing i was trying to change in the relationship). he was trying to shame me into letting go. or whatever. its complicated.

Correction: I was a girlfriend/fiance that found out after the fact that we were done and in his mind we already were. I/we just never set down and discussed details. I mean I wanted certain things and in his life he is not ready to "walk" that way. I am. I mean he had only known this girl for a week or so. and I am basing some of this as to what he told me. which has not been so truthful in the last month or so. we had our issues and I had mine. this was not a sneak around the corner and do my ex lovingly while I tell this other chick that I love her. this is I am done with you and I am seeing someone else and I feel like an ass for doing it this way yada yada yada- the rest is already written.

***ok, please understand that he WAS faithful to his wife the entire time they were together. we dated 3years I know his wife. he was. like I said HE HAD TO.***

If you say so.

***he wanted to get married and I stood my ground in regard to those issues and then some. he ran around iwth the other girl to make me jealous and then called me to break it off so as to not look so bad.***

Yeah and he is faithful. Okay.

***I was not his chick on the side. I was a girlfriend that wanted certain things in her life and he didnt want to follow thru. I was not a chick on the side as you put it. it was more or less his way of pushing me out the door and a way for me to say goodbye.***

Uhhh, maybe not when you WHERE his girlfriend, but at the point he started a new relationship with the Gem and you continued to shag him (hence, no longer in a relationship with you) You were the chick on the side. His actions, according to YOUR posts clearly shows that you were no more than that to him.

*** it was more or less his way of pushing me out the door and a way for me to say goodbye. its wierd I know. but it was also all of the above. he wasnt trying to see me and her as well. he was trying to get in my pants***

If you meant anymore to him than being a chick on the side, he wouldn't be trying to push you away and be done with you. I guess since you didn't, no matter how much he tried to cut you off he just used you for what he wanted. Again, that is your fault and again, you are the one being used.

If you can't see those points then you will probably have problems finding a relationship with a person who is worthy of you. Sad state of affairs.

Libra most times know what exactly he is looking for. Though he might begin a relationship, he will slip away on the long run if the girl dont match his needs. There is not much of a chance for a cancer or cappy girl in a librans life IMHO.

unless that cancer chick has more fire and air in her chart. I have never pursued a Lib. they pursue me. And there have been at least (4) I can think of off hand. this Libran knew what he wanted and also what he is supposed to be

Oh, never mind. QS, you are sweet for taking the time to respond. But in my writing some of these silly posts- geez...

I'd swear you have some Leo tucked away in you somewhere QS. Anyway, its hard to explain the real deal and have it understood. in the bigger picture. It is some of this some of that.

It's ok that i am not in his life. His ex wife agrees- she was married to him for 15 years. and the new girl will figure it out.

This is all finally giving me a headache.

Cancer-ous, no harm intended. I just thought I would try to show you how bad your situation looks, so that maybe you could try persuing someone who is worthy of you (as he clearly,no longer wants to be persued by you).

Leo? Funny, my rising is Leo. LOL!!! Or my ascending... I dunno, I think my rising is Leo. What made you say that?

I too have mostly air and fire in my chart...

What's wrong with Leo— 😢

"I thought Rising and Ascendant were the same thing."

They are the same thing; used interchangably in astrology.. 🙂

Ascendant comes from the word ascend-to rise (as in the all important first house cusp/the same as 'rising' sign..)