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Hi everyone! Sorry for the loooonnnggg post and thank you in advance for your help!

If I had a friend in my position, I would tell her to kick him to the curb! But, love is blind, and I'm lost in a fog. With that said, I'm hoping to get some opinions and advice on how to pursue my Libra ex-boyfriend. I know the best answer is to move on...but, at this point, I'm just not ready to lose him for good, at least not without a fight!

Both of us, after having long-term marriages, met several months into our divorce processes, but prior to the grueling court dates. At the time, we were just looking to socialize...nothing more, and certainly not looking for relationships. It was nice though, to talk with someone in my same situation.

As we got to know each other, it was like we were meant to be. I was everything that his ex wasn't and held different views on the issues that led to their divorce. And, he was tired of being a married bachelor. Basically, he was left to work, pay bills, take care of the shopping, house, and kids, with little to no help from her, even though she was a stay at home mom. She would not accompany him to bbq's, weddings, little league, camping with the kids, or work events. He loves to stay active - walk, bike, soccer, she only wanted to stay in and watch tv. Sex - there was none. Respect - there was none. They attended counseling 3 different times at his request. She would not participate or show up.

I quickly fell for his work ethic, family values, sense of humor, his focus on communication, our commonalities in leisure activities, and his drive to have a partner in which to work as a team with. Neither of us were yet officially divorced. He having children, was still living in the family home while waiting for the courts to assign a temporary custody and spending agreement. I had concerns on how his kids were adjusting. He was optimistic and said, "No problem, they are their father's son's".

We casually saw each other for lunch and soccer dates over the next few months, and by that time, were crazy about each other. He would tell me he was impressed that my house was clean, that I was smart, hard working, beautiful, and was very thankful that I would go out of my way to do something special or spend time with him. He knew though, that I and my friends were reluctant for me to date him, but he still encouraged things, saying he wanted to date me exclusively and "aren't you ever going to take a chance at a relation
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We casually saw each other for lunch and soccer dates over the next few months, and by that time, were crazy about each other. He would tell me he was impressed that my house was clean, that I was smart, hard working, beautiful, and was very thankful that I would go out of my way to do something special or spend time with him. He knew though, that I and my friends were reluctant for me to date him, but he still encouraged things, saying he wanted to date me exclusively and "aren't you ever going to take a chance at a relationship again". I did on occasion discuss possibly breaking up, out of fear of being hurt, and also let him know that if I met someone else, I would date them too. While not happy, he agreed and understood, and apologized that he could not devote more time to me.

Now, THE PROBLEM. Divorce court sessions began, his being nasty with the possibility of the kids moving out of state. Long story short (thank goodness, right), his ex started filling the kids ears with nonsense, they began having a hard time with the reality, and my boyfriend became depressed and guilty that he was the cause of his children's pain. While I tried not to put pressure on him, I too was going through a rough time, and felt as though I was always there for him, but he not for me. There were few times that I asked for his support and he did not pull through.

The last time we saw each other was a strange event. Thoughts were spoken quickly and incompletely. He told me that people were telling him he shouldn't be in a relationship. That he felt guilty for spending any time away from his children. That he was exhausted, not sleeping, or eating. I asked if he was breaking up with me and got no response. I tried to convey to him that I know the boys will always be #1, and I can wait, but I needed to know that I was waiting for something and that he wanted me to. This was misunderstood by him, and he replied, "life is not a fairytale" and "why is it that you are in the back seat or there's nothing at all". "What if things get better soon?" He then walked away and out of anger I said, "You don't know how to let someone love you".

I thought that would be it, but we kept in contact the next few weeks by text, until I asked him to stop by, even if just for 15 min, as I really needed some support. He said he would try, then by late evening, I never saw or heard from him. Out of frustration I sent a text that sai
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I thought that would be it, but we kept in contact the next few weeks by text, until I asked him to stop by, even if just for 15 min, as I really needed some support. He said he would try, then by late evening, I never saw or heard from him. Out of frustration I sent a text that said, "You're not as special as I thought. I give up". The next day he responded that he was sorry I was having a hard time, but he is too. That he can't help or be there for me because he doesn't have the emotional or physical strength to take on anymore. And, that he wouldn't apologize for doing what he needed to do for his sons.

Despite my many (pleasant and apologetic) texts to him, I haven't heard from him since. It has been 4 months now. I do know that he moved into his own place (he doesn't know I know). And, to the best of my knowledge he is not seeing anyone else. I ran into a friend of his last week and asked that she tell him I miss him. I still have heard nothing.

Normally, by now, the Taurus in me would say screw it and walk away with my head up. However, having gone through it myself, I know the PAIN, and understand that divorce is, in many ways, like a death. Especially with kids involved. While I'm mad that he so coldly cut me off, I do understand it. And, I believe that he truly did have feelings for me, but, had nothing else to give at the time.

I would like to have the chance to apologize and admit my faults to him, in hopes of reconciliation. To emphasize that we were both in a troubled place. That I'm there to support him and I'm not the "needy" person I may have portrayed. It's obvious that he has blocked my calls/texts, so I need to try to meet with him. My thought was to go to one of his soccer games. Question is #1 Let him know I'm there to see him. Flirt and ask him to go for a drink, or #2 Show up at end of game and act like I'm there to see another team, or #3 Walk in with another guy as he's leaving and act surprised to see him, or #4 Drop off lunch to him at work reception desk (afraid would embarrass him though). Just trying to figure out the best way to approach this - not play games. And, if I do go see him, do I just act happy to see him, and save the apologies/relationship saga for another time. I'm just afraid there won't be another time if I wait. Hoping the dxpnet Libra's can give me some ideas and a bit of hope. Everyone I know says to give it up...if he wanted
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I would like to have the chance to apologize and admit my faults to him, in hopes of reconciliation. To emphasize that we were both in a troubled place. That I'm there to support him and I'm not the "needy" person I may have portrayed. It's obvious that he has blocked my calls/texts, so I need to try to meet with him. My thought was to go to one of his soccer games. Question is #1 Let him know I'm there to see him. Flirt and ask him to go for a drink, or #2 Show up at end of game and act like I'm there to see another team, or #3 Walk in with another guy as he's leaving and act surprised to see him, or #4 Drop off lunch to him at work reception desk (afraid would embarrass him though). Just trying to figure out the best way to approach this - not play games. And, if I do go see him, do I just act happy to see him, and save the apologies/relationship saga for another time. I'm just afraid there won't be another time if I wait. Hoping the dxpnet Libra's can give me some ideas and a bit of hope. Everyone I know says to give it up...if he wanted to be with me he would be. Thank you, Lovesick Georgiabull 😢
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OP, I'm curious, how do you know all these things about his ex?

Personally, there's nothing I despise more than a man that talks bad about his ex. It's a huge turn-off for me. First of all, if she was so lazy, a slob, etc, then why did he stay with her for as long as he did? And why is he even telling you all these things? It's none of your business. Plus, the way he is talking bad about the woman he married, the mother of his kids just to impress you says a lot about him as a person. He is putting all the blame on her for the failure of their marriage & making himself to look like an innocent victim. I don't think so. It takes two to ruin a marriage. Both parties are responsible somehow, yet he wants to appear like he was some kind of saint throughout their marriage. Watch out, a person like him is not good. Taking responsibility & shutting his mouth about the ex is what a mature person does after such things as divorce. You got yourself an immature loser.
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As a Taurus myself with a libra boyfriend, I have to tell ya, that libra is full of shit, WATERCUP is right that libra is playing a victim just to get you to baby his ass and fell sorry for him, basically to get attention, now if the libra wasn't there for you when u needed him, then why be there for that libra if he is your boyfriend that is unacceptable, and he is ignoring your calls and txts, ummmm you should leave him alone, why on earth are you making an effort and not him

I bet you have nothing to be sorry for, it's him that should be sorry, we are all adults here, he should be trying to make things right with you, before my libra and I started on the right path, I went through the same thing as you, but I refuse to be use for a man that only needs me for his own selfish ways, cause believe me libras can be real selfish, I stepped all the way back, when he came back around I made him work to get me back, and I really mean work, that man didn't get nothing from me until the whole world knew I was his woman, and we have been living together ever since.

But you my dear Taurus, I see what u want to do, and it won't work, he'll put that libra charm on ya and you will be doomed to repeat the cycle because of your emotions, and plus you are coming on too strong for the libra, yes he has excuses, but leave him alone, let him collect himself, and if he wants to talk its up to you to here him out, but I warn you, do not let that libra in do easy, cause to me it seems like he can come and go as he pleases knowing that he feels you would without him having to do anything to do the right thing
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First I want to say, I understand your need for some closure. If I were going to go to his game I would go for just that, because there's nothing more unhealthy than loving a man that doesn't love you back, or in his case —not having the strength?? to love someone else back. True in your post, you sounded very selfish and demanding, and to be honest if I were him I would??ve cut you off cold turkey too. I wouldn't feel I owe you anything, especially if you knew my situation before you signed up for this ride.

And Watercup is partially right, I don't agree that in all marriage failures it's both parties, because I??ve seen marriages first hand where one partner just doesn't realize what they had, and the other is bending over backwards. However in this case, the fact that he talked down about his wife would definitely rub me the wrong way. If he's talking about her like that, I wouldn't take his word as gold stamp and run with it, because you are a woman, you are going through a divorce yourself, what if your husband had a woman on the side and was making YOU out to be the bad guy, you would think she's na??ve to take his word, why? Because there are always TWO sides to each story.

As far as on how to get him back, I don't see it happening. If a Libra shuts you off —completely??, it's most likely going to stay that way for a while. If he's not offering any type of communication, I would definitely say he's done. When a Libra man or woman is done, that's it and the most you can expect after that is a light friendship. They are done for good because they often feel they gave it 110% and it still wasn't enough. In his case, lets say his wife really was pill, and then he had you at his back, his kids miserable, the courts, lawyers, and fee's and all of that, YES, he walked away, and the only important thing to him is probably his boys and their wellbeing.
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If I were him I??d be emotionally drained, and my kids would be my only focus. Your best bet is to give him space, and somehow to try to prepare yourself that he is gone for good. If you must get your feelings out one last time, I??d write him a letter, letting him know I care, and if nothing else I hope we can be friends because that's how it started and that's how I??d like it to end, if it's okay with him, and walk away. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's time you face the reality of the situation. He's gone, and you need to find yourself. Leave this man alone, trust me. If a Libra is pushing away, and you are constantly tugging he will only disappear and push further away. Let him come to you, and if he doesn't don't go running after him, because he will then start to think you are border line stalker. And no woman wants to be viewed as that. I hope.
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Posted by TaurusNikki
As a Taurus myself with a libra boyfriend, I have to tell ya, that libra is full of shit, WATERCUP is right that libra is playing a victim just to get you to baby his ass and fell sorry for him, basically to get attention, now if the libra wasn't there for you when u needed him, then why be there for that libra if he is your boyfriend that is unacceptable, and he is ignoring your calls and txts, ummmm you should leave him alone, why on earth are you making an effort and not him



I think you're projecting. He wasn't going through some fight with his girlfriend; he was going through a divorce and facing the possibility of losing his children.
OP, you know that his divorce took a huge toll on him, and the possibility of having your children move to another state -which basically means seeing them only once or twice a month and on holidays- is not a small thing. I think he's right; he was not ready for a relationship in the middle of a divorce and custody issues, which is why you weren't getting the attention you wanted. Taurus women can be on the needy side and that's a lot for someone going through a divorce to handle. If he is still not answering your calls and texts he has probably moved on-not to someone else, just in general- and even if he hasn't, you won't be able to force your way back into his life. If he doesn't come back to you on his own, i think you should leave him alone.
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As a Taurus myself with a libra boyfriend, I have to tell ya, that libra is full of shit, WATERCUP is right that libra is playing a victim just to get you to baby his ass and fell sorry for him, basically to get attention, now if the libra wasn't there for you when u needed him, then why be there for that libra if he is your boyfriend that is unacceptable, and he is ignoring your calls and txts, ummmm you should leave him alone, why on earth are you making an effort and not him



I think you're projecting. He wasn't going through some fight with his girlfriend; he was going through a divorce and facing the possibility of losing his children.
OP, you know that his divorce took a huge toll on him, and the possibility of having your children move to another state -which basically means seeing them only once or twice a month and on holidays- is not a small thing. I think he's right; he was not ready for a relationship in the middle of a divorce and custody issues, which is why you weren't getting the attention you wanted. Taurus women can be on the needy side and that's a lot for someone going through a divorce to handle. If he is still not answering your calls and texts he has probably moved on-not to someone else, just in general- and even if he hasn't, you won't be able to force your way back into his life. If he doesn't come back to you on his own, i think you should leave him alone.
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I'm not projecting, I never said the OP said that the libra was in a fight with his girlfriend, where do u see I wrote that in my statement?

I said the libra is full of excuses, and that the libra is playing the victim game, it can't all be the other persons fault, please read what I wrote before you assume I projected
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As a Taurus myself with a libra boyfriend, I have to tell ya, that libra is full of shit, WATERCUP is right that libra is playing a victim just to get you to baby his ass and fell sorry for him, basically to get attention, now if the libra wasn't there for you when u needed him, then why be there for that libra if he is your boyfriend that is unacceptable, and he is ignoring your calls and txts, ummmm you should leave him alone, why on earth are you making an effort and not him



I think you're projecting. He wasn't going through some fight with his girlfriend; he was going through a divorce and facing the possibility of losing his children.
OP, you know that his divorce took a huge toll on him, and the possibility of having your children move to another state -which basically means seeing them only once or twice a month and on holidays- is not a small thing. I think he's right; he was not ready for a relationship in the middle of a divorce and custody issues, which is why you weren't getting the attention you wanted. Taurus women can be on the needy side and that's a lot for someone going through a divorce to handle. If he is still not answering your calls and texts he has probably moved on-not to someone else, just in general- and even if he hasn't, you won't be able to force your way back into his life. If he doesn't come back to you on his own, i think you should leave him alone.




I'm not projecting, I never said the OP said that the libra was in a fight with his girlfriend, where do u see I wrote that in my statement?

I said the libra is full of excuses, and that the libra is playing the victim game, it can't all be the other persons fault, please read what I wrote before you assume I projected
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I read what you wrote, and I think you missed my point. You're saying a man going through a divorce and fighting over custody of his children is just "making excuses" and "playing the victim," like those are small issues, and they're not. You're accusing him of having all the traits that you are always saying your own boyfriend has. I'm just saying it's a very different situation and I don't see at all how this guy was begging for attention or p
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And not all Taurus's are needy and clingy

Cause it won't be fair for me to say that libras are all emotionally damaged, selfish and detached from reality

I love my libra but even I have to state some have the same traits, not all


notice how i also said taurus women CAN be on the needy side. I never said "all taurus women are needy" and never said anything about them being clingy...you did. Also, emotional damage has nothing to do with zodiac sign. And the way you go on about your libra boyfriend and libras in general, it sounds more like you hate him! lol
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As a Taurus myself with a libra boyfriend, I have to tell ya, that libra is full of shit, WATERCUP is right that libra is playing a victim just to get you to baby his ass and fell sorry for him, basically to get attention, now if the libra wasn't there for you when u needed him, then why be there for that libra if he is your boyfriend that is unacceptable, and he is ignoring your calls and txts, ummmm you should leave him alone, why on earth are you making an effort and not him



I think you're projecting. He wasn't going through some fight with his girlfriend; he was going through a divorce and facing the possibility of losing his children.
OP, you know that his divorce took a huge toll on him, and the possibility of having your children move to another state -which basically means seeing them only once or twice a month and on holidays- is not a small thing. I think he's right; he was not ready for a relationship in the middle of a divorce and custody issues, which is why you weren't getting the attention you wanted. Taurus women can be on the needy side and that's a lot for someone going through a divorce to handle. If he is still not answering your calls and texts he has probably moved on-not to someone else, just in general- and even if he hasn't, you won't be able to force your way back into his life. If he doesn't come back to you on his own, i think you should leave him alone.




I think u need to read what I wrote again, I never mention his children, for god sake read

I'm not projecting, I never said the OP said that the libra was in a fight with his girlfriend, where do u see I wrote that in my statement?

I said the libra is full of excuses, and that the libra is playing the victim game, it can't all be the other persons fault, please read what I wrote before you assume I projected
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I read what you wrote, and I think you missed my point. You're saying a man going through a divorce and fighting over custody of his children is just "making excuses" and "playing the victim," like those are small issues, and they're not. You're accusing him of havin
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Omg, ANRivas2

I don't think u read anything I wrote, for god sake read what the hell I wrote, I never mentioned his kids, where the hell did u see that?

I don't give a damn about what took place he is a grown ass man, and he is in fact playing the victim card, and if you have read tha OP complete story you would have notice other things have started between them that goes beyond what your talking about

At the end of the day he is a grown as libra man, and he should take into account that he is being disrespectful in not being there where he said he would, what is so hard of calling someone and telling them that u can't make it, then call them the next day and say your sorry, libras know if they are not going or not, but he cowards out by doing the opposite, there is no excuse for leaving her behind like that, marriage problems or not, be a man and call the girl heck txt the girl

And just like some libras some of you guys never take responsibility for your own actions classic libra form

He is a grown libra he knows what he should be doing period, ONCE AGAIN YOU CAN'T READ, I was giving an example about emotionally damage, DAMN, What the fuck is so hard to read what the fuck people write
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Everybody got problems, deal with it, it's the way of life

Either fight with it or learn from it, simple, rebalance those damn scales and get a grip, to use the divorce as a means of letting him get away with being disrespectful and disappearing is a coward move on his part, face the truth, deal with it

So what that it's tuff on him, it takes two to tango and the man played his part in this, do the right thing and move on, don't punish others for your failed marriage, if he wasn't ready he shouldn't have started things like he did, no one is innocent, and he won't be getting no pity party from me, I'd turn him lose And get a fresh piece of meat


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First I want to say, I understand your need for some closure. If I were going to go to his game I would go for just that, because there's nothing more unhealthy than loving a man that doesn't love you back, or in his case —not having the strength?? to love someone else back. True in your post, you sounded very selfish and demanding, and to be honest if I were him I would??ve cut you off cold turkey too. I wouldn't feel I owe you anything, especially if you knew my situation before you signed up for this ride.

And Watercup is partially right, I don't agree that in all marriage failures it's both parties, because I??ve seen marriages first hand where one partner just doesn't realize what they had, and the other is bending over backwards. However in this case, the fact that he talked down about his wife would definitely rub me the wrong way. If he's talking about her like that, I wouldn't take his word as gold stamp and run with it, because you are a woman, you are going through a divorce yourself, what if your husband had a woman on the side and was making YOU out to be the bad guy, you would think she's na??ve to take his word, why? Because there are always TWO sides to each story.

As far as on how to get him back, I don't see it happening. If a Libra shuts you off —completely??, it's most likely going to stay that way for a while. If he's not offering any type of communication, I would definitely say he's done. When a Libra man or woman is done, that's it and the most you can expect after that is a light friendship. They are done for good because they often feel they gave it 110% and it still wasn't enough. In his case, lets say his wife really was pill, and then he had you at his back, his kids miserable, the courts, lawyers, and fee's and all of that, YES, he walked away, and the only important thing to him is probably his boys and their wellbeing.



But that's the thing PL, you viewed those other failed marriages as a 3rd party, you weren't the party involved. Humans are an imperfect species. Every single one of us have quirks that can be annoying as time passes & those same traits are even more pronounced when two people live together such as in a marriage. That's one reason out of many. And like you said, there are two sides to every story, so how is it possible to have only ONE wrong party when a
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- marriage fails?

I too have a failed marriage under my belt. I ended it. And I went through the stage where I thought I was blameless on how it turned out, that HE was the only one to blame & so forth. But because I don't want to have "relationship patterns", I've forced myself into looking at the things I do wrong when in a relationship. It's hard because I believe I'm the epitome of perfection 😛, but it's EASIER to place blame elsewhere. See what I mean? Many of us are lazy to do the hardwork of improving the self, so we shift all that was bad about the relationship we were also part of to the side of the other person. Freeing ourselves from blame & responsibility. Its a natural reaction really but it's not helping especially if we seek to be in healthy relationships in the future.
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OP, I'm curious, how do you know all these things about his ex?

Personally, there's nothing I despise more than a man that talks bad about his ex. It's a huge turn-off for me. First of all, if she was so lazy, a slob, etc, then why did he stay with her for as long as he did? And why is he even telling you all these things? It's none of your business. Plus, the way he is talking bad about the woman he married, the mother of his kids just to impress you says a lot about him as a person. He is putting all the blame on her for the failure of their marriage & making himself to look like an innocent victim. I don't think so. It takes two to ruin a marriage. Both parties are responsible somehow, yet he wants to appear like he was some kind of saint throughout their marriage. Watch out, a person like him is not good. Taking responsibility & shutting his mouth about the ex is what a mature person does after such things as divorce. You got yourself an immature loser.
Hi WaterCup! Yes, I agree with you; a man bad mouthing his ex is not an appealing quality. And, that's not really the context in which it was used. When we first met, of course we discussed with each other the terms/causes of our divorces. I don't, in any way, feel he was trying to impress me or appear as though he was innocent. And, honestly I was glad to hear those types of reasons, rather than, infidelity, which was what my ex did to me.

I understand and can relate to some of their differences, and was sure to make him aware when I thought his ex was right, or even that I would have responded in the same way. He too told me that she was a beautiful, kind person, and loved her children dearly. However, I 100% agree that when a spouse will not compromise, work together as a team, and withholds sex, that there is little left to a marriage. And, I respect him for suggesting and attempting counseling 3 times. My ex just came home one day and said he was leaving. No counseling, no I'm sorry, no nothing...just out the door.

She, as well, was running up large bills, while he wanted to save for the boys college. He asked her to either cut back on spending or get a part-time job...she did neither, while he works 2 jobs. Just another example. I do understand that your comments were written based only on the information that I posted, which cannot represent the full picture. But, I have to disagree
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Posted by TaurusNikki
As a Taurus myself with a libra boyfriend, I have to tell ya, that libra is full of shit, WATERCUP is right that libra is playing a victim just to get you to baby his ass and fell sorry for him, basically to get attention, now if the libra wasn't there for you when u needed him, then why be there for that libra if he is your boyfriend that is unacceptable, and he is ignoring your calls and txts, ummmm you should leave him alone, why on earth are you making an effort and not him

I bet you have nothing to be sorry for, it's him that should be sorry, we are all adults here, he should be trying to make things right with you, before my libra and I started on the right path, I went through the same thing as you, but I refuse to be use for a man that only needs me for his own selfish ways, cause believe me libras can be real selfish, I stepped all the way back, when he came back around I made him work to get me back, and I really mean work, that man didn't get nothing from me until the whole world knew I was his woman, and we have been living together ever since.

But you my dear Taurus, I see what u want to do, and it won't work, he'll put that libra charm on ya and you will be doomed to repeat the cycle because of your emotions, and plus you are coming on too strong for the libra, yes he has excuses, but leave him alone, let him collect himself, and if he wants to talk its up to you to here him out, but I warn you, do not let that libra in do easy, cause to me it seems like he can come and go as he pleases knowing that he feels you would without him having to do anything to do the right thing

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Hi TaurusNikki! I'm really excited to get advice from someone in similar shoes! Thank you! You asked, why was I there for him when he wasn't for me? Hmmm? I guess I tried to look at both sides of the picture. I was already through the most difficult part of my drama and remembered, all too well, the pain and exhaustion, when the worst of his was just beginning. So, even though it ticked me off, I gave him leeway, knowing there were days that I couldn't even breathe when I was in his position.

On the other hand, I'm definitely a different kind of person, and draw closer to someone, rather than more distant, when I have problems. But he often said he shouldn't dump his issues on me, and that he felt guilty for complaining and being depressed. Made me think, h-e-l-l-o....that's what a relationship is. You lean on me, I lean on you. Hurt my feelings that maybe he didn't feel close enough to confide in me.

And, you mention selfish!? Yes, I did notice his tendencies! Trust me I called him on it. But, this cutting me off cold turkey.....never fathomed that extent of selfishness....downright evil!
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OP, I'm seeing your situation & what you wrote as an independent party without any emotional ties to either him or you. My reply to you is how I see your situation, but of course you won't agree because you like the guy. Your emotions are clouding your better judgment.

Read your posts again & see how the divorce is all about what she did & didn't do. He is the saint in this situation, the only one thinking about the kids, the only one suggesting that they meet with a professional, etc. How do you know if that's how it actually happened? Think about it.

You mentioned infidelity, do you think he was going to tell you if he cheated on her? I don't think so because he wanted something out of your association. It could have been an ego stroke, to prove that he still has an effect on the opposite sex after her so called rejection & no sex. It could also have been that he needed sex, he wasn't getting any at home so why not.

You're coming across as being very naive. How can you believe everything that A MAN says! He wanted a relationship with you & I'm sure he promised you love, a future together, etc. Big question to send my point home, WHERE IS HE NOW?
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If he turned on you this quick, imagine what she must have gone through as his wife. Plus don't for one 2nd believe you were the only one, before or even after his marriage failed. What kind of good, HONEST man has a relationship with another before the ink on his divorce papers is even dry? Think about it. He didnt even take time off to find himself after her & she was his wife. And here you are believing that he is not seeing anyone else after you. Oh the naivety!

A person that moves on so quick after a divorce is either rebounding or is emotionally shallow...the connections he makes do not mean much to him. I wonder which one he is. Hmmm...

Divorce is painf
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*****@TAURUSNIKKI

You said I was coming on too strong. Yep. You're right! Before I was hooked, he would jump through hoops, even if he thought I was the littlest bit displeased. Once he knew I was "in" I felt the tables turn. And, I could just kick myself for the times that I pursued him since the breakup!

But, nonetheless, I still want him back. To fill you in on my mistakes....texted him in Sept 9 times, Oct 3 times, Nov 2 times, Dec for Christmas, and the same week ran into his friend and asked her to tell him I miss him. Whew! Kicking myself again, lol. Who even knows if he even got the texts - probably blocked me.

I know you said to leave him alone. BUT, I'd really like to see (rather than write or text) him, apologize for any unkind words I said, hopefully strike up his memory of what he did like about me, leave on a good note, and then cut all contact and hope for the best. I'm worried he'll be left to focus on only the negative of our last encounter if I don't. Thoughts—?
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I hear what your saying but We Bulls must see the pro and cons of a person

If your doing most of the work, than why isn't he? Why didn't he contact you? Why are you always making the contact?

Why? Because he knows he got you, but it's mostly for ego stroking, I'm sure once you stop he is going to wonder where you are! Most libras can't help but to check onthe ones that left, but rest assure that libra played his part in his failed marriaged, but I have to ask as a fellow Taurus myself, why do u want him?

Cause I'm telling ya Libras are a lot of work, and I mean a lot of work

You must stop asking about him and txting him if you want this guy, but if he comes back you must not let him come back so easy

We bulls always try to see the best in someone even when we know we shouldn't
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From my experience libras get over things real quickly, but have been known to throw a pity party to regain balance, my boyfriend still does this, even my BFF who is a female libra, libras are big kids at heart, if you can deal with that then your half way home, from what I have heard most libras don't know what true love is, just the thought of not being some is enough for them, before me and my libra got together, he was a total mess, didn't know jack shit about love or what it means to give it

Took some time to get to his emotional side because libras are logical thinkers, they like to fix problems weigh pros and cons, they are great friends no don't but in relationships, I'm telling you from JMOE it takes work, I love my libra, but there are times I want to rip his damn head off, to me, libras would rather be safe than take risk, that's asking a lot, and that too much mind work to do that without knowing the outcome

You have to ask yourself why do u want this man, why does he do for you, then ask yourself if this man that treats you this way, treats your daughter that way, would you be ok with that?
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LOL, Librans are not a lot of work at all or maybe it's because I'm an air sign, IDK. Librans, the men in particular, are opportunists. If you let them get away with something once, then they'll push some more just to see what else they could get away with. The only way to deal with them is by being a no nonsense taker. Dare I say, make them fear you 😛 That is the only way imo, that'll make them think twice before crossing you ever again. Make them suffer HARD. Have no mercy. When one starts becoming a headache, don't whine & cry, immediately show him the door. They have respect for women with an I can take you or leave you kind of attitude. However, they have no respect for stupid women who react to mistreatment by being apologetic, start begging, become needy, etc. Eww. LOL! Stand your ground, give them space & you'll be okay handling one.

I'm no expert, just going by experience here. Crack that whip! But at the same time, how they tolerate being treated harshly depends on how much they like you. So don't be bitchy if your libra doesn't like you, or if you don't want to lose him. But if you're the kind of girl that doesn't give a shit if he stays or leaves, go on with your bad self & watch him grovel at your feet.
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OP, I'm curious, how do you know all these things about his ex?

Personally, there's nothing I despise more than a man that talks bad about his ex. It's a huge turn-off for me. First of all, if she was so lazy, a slob, etc, then why did he stay with her for as long as he did? And why is he even telling you all these things? It's none of your business. Plus, the way he is talking bad about the woman he married, the mother of his kids just to impress you says a lot about him as a person. He is putting all the blame on her for the failure of their marriage & making himself to look like an innocent victim. I don't think so. It takes two to ruin a marriage. Both parties are responsible somehow, yet he wants to appear like he was some kind of saint throughout their marriage. Watch out, a person like him is not good. Taking responsibility & shutting his mouth about the ex is what a mature person does after such things as divorce. You got yourself an immature loser.



Strong +1. I didn't read the whole thing, but just reading several beginning sentences where you talk about the ex, I wondered the same thing as WC, how do u know all this? Lemme guess? He told you! Firstly, I totally agree with WC that I can't Stan men who talk very badly about their ex. That's an immature man who has issues to resolve within himself because seems like he's blaming the ex for everything. What he told you about the ex sounds like a heavy one sided story. He sounds like a saint who did no wrong, which is bullshit. Everyone does something wrong at some point. Lastly, you will often hear men bash their ex gf/wife when they are trying to get with another woman. It's the oldest trick in a douchebag's guide to picking up a woman. He condemns all the other women except for the one he wants to get with. One more thing: if I were to go by his sign, which is libra, then that's not new behavior. All over the board so learn from the post.
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Actually, the above goes for any man. Never let a man get away with disrespecting you. Teach him how to treat you by standing up for yourself when he does something shitty. I'm quick to dump though lol. I honestly have very little tolerance for disrespect.



Totally agree with you! I'm also quick to dump because I like you have very lil tolerance for disrespect. How I see it is that I have never disrespected myself or others so I don't deserve that crap!
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Actually, the above goes for any man. Never let a man get away with disrespecting you. Teach him how to treat you by standing up for yourself when he does something shitty. I'm quick to dump though lol. I honestly have very little tolerance for disrespect.



Totally agree with you! I'm also quick to dump because I like you have very lil tolerance for disrespect. How I see it is that I have never disrespected myself or others so I don't deserve that crap!
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It must be an aqua thing 😉 How are you with moving on, emotionally? This is the part I struggle with the most. I'm quick to get a person out of my sight, but it's another thing emotionally. I think a lot & get pissed a lot. Sometimes I do this even when I know I don't want to ever be in a relationship with them again. It could be my moon, though.
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Yeeeah.

Look, guys suck at handling life's stresses. Especially the immature Libra men. Things get shitty and they get all unbalanced and something in life suffers. Only the retarded ones let it effect those who they're in relationships with/seeing/whatever.

There's the overall rule that if a guy is that into you, he'll figure that shit out and still make it known you're important to him in some way, shape, or form.

However, sometimes these idiots can't hang and when shit goes down, fuckery begins.

Overall, I am really not surprised about your story. I had a Libra coworker who was sorta in the same boat. But that guy was a fucking piece of work. Sometimes he'd admit to wrongdoing, but overall, it was mostly on her and less on him. Always crying victim when he had made just as many bad life choices that brought on these dramas. It got old really, really fast. He ended up being kind of a douche and not really owning up to being a fucking idiot. It was always someone else's fault. Boo hoo, feel bad for me!

My ex does this all the time, too. It's always everyone around him and never him. He's created his own rift within the circle of friends because he just cannot grasp that his own actions and his behavior is doing it and it's not those around him. He never admits that his failures are his fault, just accuses whoever is nearby at the time.

Sometimes, I think big bad reality scares these types of Libras. Head in the sand syndrome is not cool.

That said, why would you want to bother with a dude going through all this shit atm? It's a huge red flag when anyone tries to start a new relationship in the middle of a divorce shitstorm. They say that next to death, divorce is one of the most stressful things anyone will go through in their life. Why in the fuck would anyone in their right mind try to start a new relationship while going through this? This dude doesn't want a relationship, he wants someone whom he can escape with at his own convenience.

Even if you can't get closure, tell yourself this dude is a lost cause and move on. You don't get closure from emotionally unavailable men.
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Actually, the above goes for any man. Never let a man get away with disrespecting you. Teach him how to treat you by standing up for yourself when he does something shitty. I'm quick to dump though lol. I honestly have very little tolerance for disrespect.



Totally agree with you! I'm also quick to dump because I like you have very lil tolerance for disrespect. How I see it is that I have never disrespected myself or others so I don't deserve that crap!



It must be an aqua thing 😉 How are you with moving on, emotionally? This is the part I struggle with the most. I'm quick to get a person out of my sight, but it's another thing emotionally. I think a lot & get pissed a lot. Sometimes I do this even when I know I don't want to ever be in a relationship with them again. It could be my moon, though.
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Can't be your moon because I'm the same way! It definitely is an aqua thing! I relate the most with you and Kryrenee as an Aquarian! Every time you write something, it's like you are speaking my mind! As aqua as I am, I thought that maybe it would be easier for me to move on emotionally, but no! I think a lot and that's what keeps me from moving on emotionally. I thought that maybe I struggle to move on because I do it the right way (not doing rebounds or using other people as distractions), but it's like I can't seem to even distract myself with someone even if I wanted to because I'm constantly thinking about the ex flame. Thinking about the ex doesn't mean I want them back or want to rekindle anything. It's just pure purposeless thinking..lol. Time is truly a healer.After 2 yrs, I can proudly say I don't think about my ex that much. I still do think about him once in a while but not as frequent as it used to be. I think maybe we have a hard time moving on emotionally from things/people who we shared something good with,even if that good thing was a result of lies and deception.
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Yeeeah.

Look, guys suck at handling life's stresses. Especially the immature Libra men. Things get shitty and they get all unbalanced and something in life suffers. Only the retarded ones let it effect those who they're in relationships with/seeing/whatever.

There's the overall rule that if a guy is that into you, he'll figure that shit out and still make it known you're important to him in some way, shape, or form.

However, sometimes these idiots can't hang and when shit goes down, fuckery begins.

Overall, I am really not surprised about your story. I had a Libra coworker who was sorta in the same boat. But that guy was a fucking piece of work. Sometimes he'd admit to wrongdoing, but overall, it was mostly on her and less on him. Always crying victim when he had made just as many bad life choices that brought on these dramas. It got old really, really fast. He ended up being kind of a douche and not really owning up to being a fucking idiot. It was always someone else's fault. Boo hoo, feel bad for me!

My ex does this all the time, too. It's always everyone around him and never him. He's created his own rift within the circle of friends because he just cannot grasp that his own actions and his behavior is doing it and it's not those around him. He never admits that his failures are his fault, just accuses whoever is nearby at the time.

Sometimes, I think big bad reality scares these types of Libras. Head in the sand syndrome is not cool.

That said, why would you want to bother with a dude going through all this shit atm? It's a huge red flag when anyone tries to start a new relationship in the middle of a divorce shitstorm. They say that next to death, divorce is one of the most stressful things anyone will go through in their life. Why in the fuck would anyone in their right mind try to start a new relationship while going through this? This dude doesn't want a relationship, he wants someone whom he can escape with at his own convenience.

Even if you can't get closure, tell yourself this dude is a lost cause and move on. You don't get closure from emotionally unavailable men.



Lets face it: immature libra men are best at playing victims. How else do u think they get women? My libra got me by playing a victim. I was like aww you poor thing, let me mend your heart. Little did I know that it was typical. Lol
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Lets face it: immature libra men are best at playing victims. How else do u think they get women? My libra got me by playing a victim. I was like aww you poor thing, let me mend your heart. Little did I know that it was typical. Lol



Mine kinda did, when I think about it. Like he talked about his ex and all that stuff, admitted he had his fucked up moments, but his biggest issue was that he'd proposed to her when he was 19 (I'm not sure how old she was, maybe around the same age), and she wasn't down for it. The vibe I got was that he was butthurt she didn't want to marry him because shit was getting "too real" for her.

I didn't think much of it (aside from wtf are you trying to get married at 19??) til recently when mutual friends shared stories about the ex and chicks of his past. Apparently, he's one of those guys that goes in too fast and intense (typical Libra), but it had a tendency of scaring women off sometimes. He just never put two and two together and assumed women were just awful and didn't know what they wanted. Little does he seem to realize that it's him and his actions that freak women out.

Knowing that now, it kinda makes me wonder if that proposal issue with his ex was more of him getting too serious too fast, and she going "wtf, too fast!" and less her being some bitch who didn't like that things were getting "too real."
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Rocky, Libra men have a lot of women in their past because they have a tendency to go through them like a pack of mentos. Lol. The shitty part is that they get bored of them -and or super critical that they no longer fit their "ideal woman" to dispose of them. The ultra shitty part is that after disposing/replacing the person with another person, they feel like they are the victim because the "evil bad witch of a woman" didn't match their ideal woman. How dare she not fit those ideals they had in their Disney lala land brain.
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Omg, ANRivas2

I don't think u read anything I wrote, for god sake read what the hell I wrote, I never mentioned his kids, where the hell did u see that?

I don't give a damn about what took place he is a grown ass man, and he is in fact playing the victim card, and if you have read tha OP complete story you would have notice other things have started between them that goes beyond what your talking about

At the end of the day he is a grown as libra man, and he should take into account that he is being disrespectful in not being there where he said he would, what is so hard of calling someone and telling them that u can't make it, then call them the next day and say your sorry, libras know if they are not going or not, but he cowards out by doing the opposite, there is no excuse for leaving her behind like that, marriage problems or not, be a man and call the girl heck txt the girl

And just like some libras some of you guys never take responsibility for your own actions classic libra form

He is a grown libra he knows what he should be doing period, ONCE AGAIN YOU CAN'T READ, I was giving an example about emotionally damage, DAMN, What the fuck is so hard to read what the fuck people write


Clearly you are the one not reading what i am saying so i won't bother anymore. lol
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That said, why would you want to bother with a dude going through all this shit atm? It's a huge red flag when anyone tries to start a new relationship in the middle of a divorce shitstorm. They say that next to death, divorce is one of the most stressful things anyone will go through in their life. Why in the fuck would anyone in their right mind try to start a new relationship while going through this? This dude doesn't want a relationship, he wants someone whom he can escape with at his own convenience.




I agree, and i think it's true of both parties here. You were both going through divorce, one going through a custody battle, and divorce rebounds almost never work out anyway. I don't know how long it's been over for you and your ex, OP, but I think it takes a long while before one is healed and ready to have a relationship again after divorce, especially someone who was cheated on like you were. When someone does move on from that, it probably shouldn't be someone with all the issues your libra has.
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Omg, ANRivas2

I don't think u read anything I wrote, for god sake read what the hell I wrote, I never mentioned his kids, where the hell did u see that?

I don't give a damn about what took place he is a grown ass man, and he is in fact playing the victim card, and if you have read tha OP complete story you would have notice other things have started between them that goes beyond what your talking about

At the end of the day he is a grown as libra man, and he should take into account that he is being disrespectful in not being there where he said he would, what is so hard of calling someone and telling them that u can't make it, then call them the next day and say your sorry, libras know if they are not going or not, but he cowards out by doing the opposite, there is no excuse for leaving her behind like that, marriage problems or not, be a man and call the girl heck txt the girl

And just like some libras some of you guys never take responsibility for your own actions classic libra form

He is a grown libra he knows what he should be doing period, ONCE AGAIN YOU CAN'T READ, I was giving an example about emotionally damage, DAMN, What the fuck is so hard to read what the fuck people write


Clearly you are the one not reading what i am saying so i won't bother anymore. lol
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DAMN YOU STILL CAN'T FUCKING READ, PLEASE GO AWAY UNTIL YOU HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S ON SCREEN
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Posted by rockyroadicecream


That said, why would you want to bother with a dude going through all this shit atm? It's a huge red flag when anyone tries to start a new relationship in the middle of a divorce shitstorm. They say that next to death, divorce is one of the most stressful things anyone will go through in their life. Why in the fuck would anyone in their right mind try to start a new relationship while going through this? This dude doesn't want a relationship, he wants someone whom he can escape with at his own convenience.




I agree, and i think it's true of both parties here. You were both going through divorce, one going through a custody battle, and divorce rebounds almost never work out anyway. I don't know how long it's been over for you and your ex, OP, but I think it takes a long while before one is healed and ready to have a relationship again after divorce, especially someone who was cheated on like you were. When someone does move on from that, it probably shouldn't be someone with all the issues your libra has.
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It has been 1yr 2months since my separation, and 6months since finalization of divorce. My exBF is still in the divorce process and I expect it to be a while yet before any agreements are reached. As far as, why would we get involved when divorcing?.....well, the original intention was not that at all.

I can't speak for the exBF. I however, wanted to go out and be social. I was tired of sitting at home crying and mourning my ex, while he was out having his midlife crisis. And, I was tired of burdening my friends/family with my sorrows. It may sound harsh, but I was thinking solely of myself.

At first, my pain kept me believing I could never love another, and my anger had me on a mission to play the field. Starting a relationship was the farthest thing from my mind. Actually, I believed I would never trust another man. (And, that probably still holds true to some extent) I was hesitant to date, and really at times, after a 20r marriage, the idea of seeing someone new kinda creeped me out. LOL. But, I was not going to stay home and be pathetic.

Whether, people agree with it or not, the dating did help to me to heal and see that there were other options available. My intent was to date many people, get some free dinners and
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