Me & co-worker were arguing about religeon & homosexuality & it was gonna get ugly so I went to my office & quietly ended the conversation.
BORN GAY?!!
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I was born a murderer. 😢
A theif, hater, and adultress too.
In conclusion: You cannot be born gay.
In conclusion: You cannot be born gay.
Naturally born? grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, oh baby!
I didn't suspect any bi-ness in me, 'til two years ago, so whatever.
See I knew you liked me. 😉
See I knew you liked me. 😉
I thought this was a serious topic.
serious topic, yes it was intended you homos! 😉
They've done studies on gay animals as well as lesbians,thier brains are different than homosexuals so its not a choice and they are born gay.
different than homosexuals -heterosexuals😛.Theres nothing wrong with them mentally or anything,its just set up differently in that area.
I don't know:S,probably something similiar though,I'd have to find it again to see what exactly is different whether chemical make up or whatever it is that has the gay part in it.The way I sees it is even animals are gay or bi so don't see why its that much of an issue to straight people so only looked into it to shut up bigots.Control issues,nosiness or somethin similiar is my conclusion on the straights!
Hi guys, just throwing in my tuppenceworth to the convo. I'd agree with the idea that there is a genetic explanation for people's sexual orientation. In other words it's not due to an active choice by the person as to which way they're gonna swing. It IS their choice whether they decide to come out or not. The title of this thread also mentions Religion and I've heard it said especially by people of a religious disposition, that homosexuality is unnatural. By the assumption above, it follows that it actually IS natural to be homosexual just as it is natural to be heterosexual. It is merely an opinion based on ignorance and narrow mindedness that would lead people to think this way. Actually there are parallels with this and the way people rallied against Gallileo when he proposed that the world was actually a sphere (well actually it's a Geoide). Anyway IMO homosexuality has it place in the evolutionary cycle: it stabalizes polulations for one.
It has to do with the size of brain part that rules the sex drive. I believe it is called the amygdala.
All well if they get offended,could've posted dyke😛
Anyways,my mom used to have a cockatail that wouldn't breed so she asked a breeder about it.Did a little experiment suggested by him and found out the bird was gay is how I first found out about it.Heres a couple links to check it out on it:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html<BR>
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm<BR>
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=27742
Anyways,my mom used to have a cockatail that wouldn't breed so she asked a breeder about it.Did a little experiment suggested by him and found out the bird was gay is how I first found out about it.Heres a couple links to check it out on it:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html<BR>
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm<BR>
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=27742
I would just like to add some personal experience and information I have found on this subject.
While I am a hetrosexual female without any tendencies toward female attraction, I have a son fifteen years old that is clearly bisexual. He has been this way since birth. And had been aware of being different at an early age.
It is true that there are differences in brain structure and the way hormones are utilized in someone that is bisexual, or homosexual. And that the levels of the two hormones in a persons body play a part. It is not genetic per say, but developmental before birth. The womans body can determine what amounts of theese hormones are introduced to her fetus through (and or because of) certain medical conditions she may have during her pregnancy. I for one have high blood pressure and my medication had to be doubled during my pregnancy to prevent harm to my child. (cont)
While I am a hetrosexual female without any tendencies toward female attraction, I have a son fifteen years old that is clearly bisexual. He has been this way since birth. And had been aware of being different at an early age.
It is true that there are differences in brain structure and the way hormones are utilized in someone that is bisexual, or homosexual. And that the levels of the two hormones in a persons body play a part. It is not genetic per say, but developmental before birth. The womans body can determine what amounts of theese hormones are introduced to her fetus through (and or because of) certain medical conditions she may have during her pregnancy. I for one have high blood pressure and my medication had to be doubled during my pregnancy to prevent harm to my child. (cont)
My child would have suffered brain damage and excessive birth growth and weight if the medication was not administered. But the other side of that coin is that the medication has is own set of effects on an unborne child. The medication I had to take affected the hormone levels that my son recieved before birth, therefore deternining his sexual preferences and behavior.
It also works like this if I may explain. There are varying degrees of attraction to the same sex in bisexual or homosexual individuals based on the levels and balance of the two hormomes estrogen, and testostrone. My son falls right in the middle, what that means is that he is attracted equally to both females and males sexually. I can also say that he was not exposed to anything but the normal hetrosexual interaction between his parents, so environment exposure to his condition was not a factor. It is not learned, and can not be unlearned or unprogrammed.(cont).
It also works like this if I may explain. There are varying degrees of attraction to the same sex in bisexual or homosexual individuals based on the levels and balance of the two hormomes estrogen, and testostrone. My son falls right in the middle, what that means is that he is attracted equally to both females and males sexually. I can also say that he was not exposed to anything but the normal hetrosexual interaction between his parents, so environment exposure to his condition was not a factor. It is not learned, and can not be unlearned or unprogrammed.(cont).
The brain chemistry is different as well. It is just as natural and feels right to a gay man to be with another man as it is natural and right for a woman to desire being with a man sexually. If you could imagine a world where being gay is the normal way to be and being hetrosexual is not, we would feel pressure to conform or comply with what society dictates we should want. Now imagine if you were forced to be with the same sex and you had no desire whatsoever to do so. It would be distasteful to you and would cause emotional problems.
My point is this the attraction is very real and tangable for the people affected with the difference of sexual preference, and it is a hostile place to live in a world that refuses to understand that what they prefer is what is and feels normal and right for them. The difficulty starts when they are told from early on that they are defective, or that their preference is wrong and will not be tollerated by the rest of society. (cont)
My point is this the attraction is very real and tangable for the people affected with the difference of sexual preference, and it is a hostile place to live in a world that refuses to understand that what they prefer is what is and feels normal and right for them. The difficulty starts when they are told from early on that they are defective, or that their preference is wrong and will not be tollerated by the rest of society. (cont)
ignorance and fear, pluss religous beliefs make this situation a dangerous one for the affected person. To the woman whom stated that she does not think she was born a lesbian.You were born exactly as you were now, it is just that your balance of the hormones is not as dramatic as to cause a clear cut line between your natural preferences. You have always had the factor of being attracted to your same sex, just not in a strong enough degree that you acted on or recognized it within yourself until later in your life.
Think of a scale with hetrosexuals on one end and homosexuals on the other, people with the difference in gender preference range along the scale from ground zero for normal sexual preference to one fourth, to half, to the three quarters to groound one being homosexual preference on the opposite side of the scale. There are varying degrees of this condition that affect what percentage of attraction the person will be affected by.
(cont)
Think of a scale with hetrosexuals on one end and homosexuals on the other, people with the difference in gender preference range along the scale from ground zero for normal sexual preference to one fourth, to half, to the three quarters to groound one being homosexual preference on the opposite side of the scale. There are varying degrees of this condition that affect what percentage of attraction the person will be affected by.
(cont)
So in conclusion this condition of human sexuallity is not chosen by an individual, nor is it learned through environmental exposure in their home life. And it can not be altered or changed through behavior modification as thought.
A person does not just choose to be the way they are, they are the way they are from birth. Why would anyone choose to be a certain way fully knowing that the world they live in would become a dangerous place to be for them in doing so. If it were that easy they would simply choose not to engage in such behavior.
No one wishes to complicate their life and risk being rejected by their fellow human beings for their choices. And it is fairly nieve for anyone to think a person would conciously choose such a path if they had an active choice they could make.
Well there is my information on the subject, and it was learned through seeking education to be able to help my son cope with his differences. TW2
A person does not just choose to be the way they are, they are the way they are from birth. Why would anyone choose to be a certain way fully knowing that the world they live in would become a dangerous place to be for them in doing so. If it were that easy they would simply choose not to engage in such behavior.
No one wishes to complicate their life and risk being rejected by their fellow human beings for their choices. And it is fairly nieve for anyone to think a person would conciously choose such a path if they had an active choice they could make.
Well there is my information on the subject, and it was learned through seeking education to be able to help my son cope with his differences. TW2
And one more thing, I still love and believe in my son as a great human being. If he cant count on my support and love no matter what his situation is then that is a tragedy. Just think for one moment just how a child might feel if their own parent or parents reject and shun them for something they did not ask for and can not change.
My son gets enough negative feed back from the rest of the world, I will always be his safe haven. The one place he can come and feel he is ok and accepted for who, how and what he is. It breaks my heart to see and hear of parents that want nothing to do with their child because of something they did not ask for or want in the first place. What an awful message to give your own child, that they are damaged and inferior and that you want nothing further to do wiht them in life.
TW2
My son gets enough negative feed back from the rest of the world, I will always be his safe haven. The one place he can come and feel he is ok and accepted for who, how and what he is. It breaks my heart to see and hear of parents that want nothing to do with their child because of something they did not ask for or want in the first place. What an awful message to give your own child, that they are damaged and inferior and that you want nothing further to do wiht them in life.
TW2
yes
I think people are most certainly born with a predisposition for homosexual tendencies.
Sure, they can choose whether or not to act on them.....but you gotta do what makes you happy.
Don't you do what makes you happy?? Should people not act on their homosexual feelings because society thinks it's wrong?
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Most people's main reason for being against homosexuality is religion. *cringe*
I have a very very hard time believing that to be homosexual is to sin in God's eyes and that you shall be condemned for it. I guess we must be talking about a different God? Because my God isn't an asshole >.
Sure, they can choose whether or not to act on them.....but you gotta do what makes you happy.
Don't you do what makes you happy?? Should people not act on their homosexual feelings because society thinks it's wrong?
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Most people's main reason for being against homosexuality is religion. *cringe*
I have a very very hard time believing that to be homosexual is to sin in God's eyes and that you shall be condemned for it. I guess we must be talking about a different God? Because my God isn't an asshole >.
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Wow, twinflame2, amazing post.
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Are you in agreeance or did you just fuck up the quote function— Lol
...agreeance is not a word.......wow
I'm a Gem, so, of course, I had to look it up:
Main Entry: agreeance
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the act of agreeing
Example: Usage of the site constitutes agreeance with these terms.
Usage: considered obsolete and a bastardization of 'agreement'
Main Entry: agreeance
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the act of agreeing
Example: Usage of the site constitutes agreeance with these terms.
Usage: considered obsolete and a bastardization of 'agreement'
^^nah, just an obsolete and bastardization of "agreement" (per dictionary.com) 🙂
OH, but Whimsy, as a Cap, I had to look it up too! (ok, I have some Gem influences *shrugs*)
I'm a truth seeker! Or just want answers... that's more it actually 🙂
Posted by Whimsy
I'm a Gem, so, of course, I had to look it up:
Main Entry: agreeance
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the act of agreeing
Example: Usage of the site constitutes agreeance with these terms.
Usage: considered obsolete and a bastardization of 'agreement'
Lol thanks 🙂
So it's like an extinct word so to speak
old schoollll
@Bling, but of course you would look it up... it's those 'others' that would just take someone at their word rather than verifying or researching for themselves (can we all say wonder-turd I mean woundedbird - I'm really surprised that the he-she hasn't made an appearance here actually).
I googled it after I posted it fwiw.
Posted by brianafay
I challenge anyone to find a Bible scripture that clearly says homosexuality is a sin.....I'll be here waiting.
Because it doesn't exist. 🙂
I'm not passing personal judgments, just accepting your challenge...
King James Version
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
1 Timothy 1:9-10 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
That last one doesn't specifically say "a man lying with a man" but the bolded portion is translated to "homosexuals" in just about every other translation/version of the bible.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, (30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful (32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Man purity rough on the HOMO boys
I have noted in the book of SHABOOM
He forbids Men to have sex
With other men, dogs, sheep and goats and the big one is butt fucking small woodland critters.
women however take them anyway you want as long as they go along with it. Also he likes the Idea of up to 4 or 5 greesed women at a time.
I have noted in the book of SHABOOM
He forbids Men to have sex
With other men, dogs, sheep and goats and the big one is butt fucking small woodland critters.
women however take them anyway you want as long as they go along with it. Also he likes the Idea of up to 4 or 5 greesed women at a time.
Posted by LibraSidPosted by brianafay
I challenge anyone to find a Bible scripture that clearly says homosexuality is a sin.....I'll be here waiting.
Because it doesn't exist. 🙂
I'm not passing personal judgments, just accepting your challenge...
King James Version
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
1 Timothy 1:9-10 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
That last one doesn't specifically say "a man lying with a man" but the bolded portion is translated to "homosexuals" in just about every other translation/version of the bible.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, (30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful (32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Lol thank you for accepting my challenge. I'm at work so I can't really go there r
(not necessarily laws God considered)
ugh it cut off my post. I'll come back when I have a minute 🙂
Posted by domino_O
But anyways, I'm not too sure which part of the brain it is exactly, but homosexuality is mainly by choice. Furthermore, these "homosexuals", for the most part, choose to be gay, not because they were born gay. Furthermore, it is hard to be born gay, which is in fact an extremely rare case. Homosexuality occurs when the areas associated with "sex" are fully developed. Usually around the age of 20-25.
I don't know much about the chemical balances in our brains. What I do know is that I don't choose to be straight, I just am. When I see a handsome man, I can say "that's a handsome dude" and that's it... a beautiful women gets the blood flowing. I couldn't be gay even if I wanted to.
Just because I don't understand something doesn't mean I can't accept it.
Sid, I forgot about this, sorry. Not avoiding it.
I think you probably knew what I was going to come back with anyways given you used those specific scriptures which are highly debated & in my personal opinion not really clear at all (only to those who it fits their agenda.)
It's all about how certain words were translated. If you read the different versions of a single scripture (KJ, NKJ, NIV, etc) you can see how easily something can be tweaked just a little and sound very different - thus being interpreted differently.
I'm not going to be one of those super liberal freaks and act like those are the only scriptures that could have been taken the wrong way...because they're certainly not. I guess my point was, God was pretty clear about what he wanted us to know - it's repeated over and over again through different stories, in different ways. I just really doubt if being gay were so wrong that he wouldn't have made it a little more clear - it wouldn't be up for debate.
The one message that God does repeat over and over and is CRYSTAL clear about = mercy and love. I don't condemnation for all homosexuals fits in there. Just my opinion I guess.
People are born with different chemical makeups all the time.
I think you probably knew what I was going to come back with anyways given you used those specific scriptures which are highly debated & in my personal opinion not really clear at all (only to those who it fits their agenda.)
It's all about how certain words were translated. If you read the different versions of a single scripture (KJ, NKJ, NIV, etc) you can see how easily something can be tweaked just a little and sound very different - thus being interpreted differently.
I'm not going to be one of those super liberal freaks and act like those are the only scriptures that could have been taken the wrong way...because they're certainly not. I guess my point was, God was pretty clear about what he wanted us to know - it's repeated over and over again through different stories, in different ways. I just really doubt if being gay were so wrong that he wouldn't have made it a little more clear - it wouldn't be up for debate.
The one message that God does repeat over and over and is CRYSTAL clear about = mercy and love. I don't condemnation for all homosexuals fits in there. Just my opinion I guess.
People are born with different chemical makeups all the time.
I don't **think** condemnation for all homosexuals fits in there.
Posted by Prince_Pisces
I have a very very hard time believing that to be homosexual is to sin in God's eyes and that you shall be condemned for it. I guess we must be talking about a different God? Because my God isn't an asshole >.
My god isnt an asshole either 🙂 I dont recall Lord Britney ever saying anything so stupid LOL!
Also, I refuse to worship a character out of a fairy tale, who looked like a homeless bum lol. . just saying 🙂
*shrugs*
You can choose to look at it like that too.
Plus let's be seriously rational here....who in their right mind would CHOOSE to be homosexual? I mean honestly.
Posted by brianafay
Sid, I forgot about this, sorry. Not avoiding it.
I think you probably knew what I was going to come back with anyways given you used those specific scriptures which are highly debated & in my personal opinion not really clear at all (only to those who it fits their agenda.)
It's all about how certain words were translated. If you read the different versions of a single scripture (KJ, NKJ, NIV, etc) you can see how easily something can be tweaked just a little and sound very different - thus being interpreted differently.
I'm not going to be one of those super liberal freaks and act like those are the only scriptures that could have been taken the wrong way...because they're certainly not. I guess my point was, God was pretty clear about what he wanted us to know - it's repeated over and over again through different stories, in different ways. I just really doubt if being gay were so wrong that he wouldn't have made it a little more clear - it wouldn't be up for debate.
The one message that God does repeat over and over and is CRYSTAL clear about = mercy and love. I don't condemnation for all homosexuals fits in there. Just my opinion I guess.
People are born with different chemical makeups all the time.
In all the years I spent as a good little christian boy, this was one of my favorite arguments. Everyone would say that it (anything they didn't like) was a translation problem and that the bible didn't really ban their vice. They'd say that the church was twisting the words of the bible to suit its needs. Of course they are! The church made up the bible, it's up to them to tell us what it means lol. Okay sorry, back to my serious voice... The problem with this argument is that it can be used for ANYTHING delivered by third party. The only way for us to be 100% sure what god meant was if he came down throwing lightening bolts at the stuff he didn't like. That would clear up the confusion yeah? Of course then people would say he missed a few times and didn't really mean to destroy the Scientology church, he was aiming at the car wash next door...
As for the translation of these verses, check out - http://hoperemains.webs.com/leviticus2013.htm<BR>
It's a group of gay christians who have been trying to show that it is only translation errors that make people think homosexuality is wrong. All said and done they conclude that when it says a man lying with a man as he does a woman, should have been translated as two men lying in a womans bed... turns out this is all just a property dispute over who can lay down in whose bed. ZOMG you sat on my bed, off with your head, it's an abomination to god!!1!!! The further the translation argument goes, the weaker it gets. It's a good idea but it just doesn't hold up.
I know I was born stright, I have heard many homosexuals cryed when the found out but it is what it is.
Posted by LibraSid
As for the translation of these verses, check out - http://hoperemains.webs.com/leviticus2013.htm<BR>
It's a group of gay christians who have been trying to show that it is only translation errors that make people think homosexuality is wrong. All said and done they conclude that when it says a man lying with a man as he does a woman, should have been translated as two men lying in a womans bed... turns out this is all just a property dispute over who can lay down in whose bed. ZOMG you sat on my bed, off with your head, it's an abomination to god!!1!!! The further the translation argument goes, the weaker it gets. It's a good idea but it just doesn't hold up.
Lol yeah I've heard that one.
So, you actually challenge a person to prove you wrong on soemthing you know nothing about?
The fact that you can tie your shoes without adequate brains cells is impressive.
The fact that you can tie your shoes without adequate brains cells is impressive.
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