Homosexuals...

How do you feel about gay people? Do you accept them of feel uneasy about them?

I don't feel comfortable with them sometimes. I don't understand the need to be gay. I mean the gay me kinda uneasy. I know they are humans and deserve to be treated that way. I just dont' agree that you are born that way because a baby doesn't come out with a gay cry.

Personally, I don't care who anyone sleeps with or wants to love. Both heterosexuals as well as homosexuals annoy me when they blab about their sex lives though. I think it's very unclassy. But on the whole, as long as you don't gross me out with details about your shenanigans, I could care less who you're interested in, in fact I think real love should be looked at as a rare and precious thing, and if you find real love with a member of your own gender, then good for you! lol.

Well said, Pheonix=)... I agree!

Thank ya! : )

Phoenix has coined this quite well. To the first responder, you dont 'choose' to 'become gay', you either are or you are not. The only way i can describe it is that it doesnt feel right or as good with the opposite sex. I respect other peoples choices as i like mine to be respected. Being gay is not a choice though, you only really CHOOSE to be HONEST with yourself!

HYPOCRITE PHOENIX!!!

Half your own posts are stories about you giving head in cars and the varying consistancies of semen when you swallow it.

How treetrunking offensive!

How dare you assume a position of judgement over what homosexuals can and can't talk about!?

LOL @ dxpnet changing farking to treetrunking!

I dont care what peoples prefrences are, I will never do it with someone of the same sex but that is thier right if they would like to be that way. As long as they dont try to get me involved it is all good baby.

Take a chillpill and try reading a post thoroughly before you respond, it would make you seem much more evolved Cortica.

I said it annoys me when BOTH homosexuals and heterosexuals blab about their sex lives. In like one or two posts by the way; I hardly think that constitutes "half" of my postings. I was responding to a direct question, which is different than randomly spewing personal stories just to get attention, without being asked. Duh. And anyone can talk about anything they like; I never said they "can't".

P.S. Thank you, Libragirl : )

Also, I meant to say, "In like one or two posts by the way; I hardly think that constitutes "half" of my postings--I mentioned some personal experiences I've had."

Just to clarify.

Cortica,
Ive never read anything about Phoenix giving head etc...! Hun!

Cortica, i really liked your posts on the Iraq issue, they were very articulate but lets put that behind us... Lets be friends, we dont want to be like the rest of the world and fight. Lets all be better than that 🙂

I agree with Phoenix on the issue of blabbing about ones own sex life. I have always found it offensive too; extremely tacky. I also feel icky when people (it can be anyone, it depends on their tone of voice) refer to me as "gorgeous" or "sexy" or something that instead of using my name. Its a way of stripping a woman of her identity and reducing her to nothing more than a sex object. Am i reading too much into it or am i just jaded after the weekend? what do you think?

Scorpio woman, thank you too for your open-mindedness, i dont think anybody would dare mess with marinesag!!!

Libragirl, I agree with your phliosophy on letting bygones be bygones. You're a very EVOLVED person to think that way ; )...

I too feel more annoyed than flattered when men catcall or refer to me as "baby" or what the h e l l ever; I also feel it's a little degrading, not just to me personally but women on the whole. I think to myself, what kind of woman do you think I am to expect me to respond to that?! lol. I find that ignoring is the best option in those situations, because the one time I flipped a group of them off it only egged them on more.

Phoenix,
Whether you realize or not and regardless of how you feel about this term being applied to you, the views expressed in your posts are homophobic.

Essentially you are saying that you will 'accept' a person's homosexuality as long as they keep their mouth shut about any experiences that may define their identity as homosexual.
If you were genuinely bothered by people in general who talk about the intimate details of their sex lives, then you wouldn't have repeatedly done so yourself - hence the reference to hypocrisy. (Libragirl - see 'Does anyone swallow after oral sex?', 'Take a look!' and 'Views on oral sex' for some revolting insights into the contradictory nature of what phoenix says and what phoenix does!)

This kind of homophobia is equally as damaging as the overt 'poofta bashing' mentality because it lurks within the guise of acceptance. Am I supposed to feel gratitude for your so generous and conditional understanding?! My, how benevolent of you!

Apologies for my previous emotional reaction, however I do find your continual self-righteousness a little overwhelming at times. You have a habit of entering a thread and turning the topic around to something entirely unrelated and suitable only to your limited perspective. ie. what does men heckling you on the street have to do with views on homosexuality - what was it you were saying about 'randomly spewing personal stories just to get attention'—

"what does men heckling you on the street have to do with views on homosexuality - what was it you were saying about 'randomly spewing personal stories just to get attention'—"

Um, the answer to that one is simple Cortica. Take your lil mousy and scroll up, and you will see that I was identifying with something Libragirl said. I wasn't even the one who brought it up.

"Apologies for my previous emotional reaction, however I do find your continual self-righteousness a little overwhelming at times."

You're forgiven, but you really think I'm self-righteous? I think you're like the only person who's ever called me that in my whole life. Why? I don't mean to take the posts off topic, I guess I just get carried away by chattering and end up bringing up a million different points...I will try to work on that.

"If you were genuinely bothered by people in general who talk about the intimate details of their sex lives, then you wouldn't have repeatedly done so yourself - hence the reference to hypocrisy. (Libragirl - see 'Does anyone swallow after oral sex?', 'Take a look!' and 'Views on oral sex' for some revolting insights into the contradictory nature of what phoenix says and what phoenix does!)"

Not necessarily Cortica. If a gay or lesbian person had come on to that thread and posted about an experience they had, I would have had no problem with that whatsoever. It would not have bothered me in the least. Now if my statements somehow implied "hidden" homophobia, let me clarify. When I said that BOTH homosexuals and heterosexuals annoy me when they blab about their sex lives, I should have just said when PEOPLE in general blab about their sex lives. It would have more clearly outlined my point.

Now, when I say it annoys me, to be more clear, I am referring to those oh so lovely Public Displays of Affection..as well as this: (example) You go to work or school on Monday morning, you're in a great mood, everything's fine, and then one of your associates says, "guess what me and so-and-so did last night!"....No, thanks. Message boards are different, because when you see a clear title like "Do You Swallow" or "Views on Oral Sex" or whatever, you have a clear opportunity to either read the stuff or not. Pass by, or participate. It's different then when someone verbally or visually accosts you with their...stories or body parts or whatever.

I assure you, it has nothing to do with whether the person is gay, straight, bi, or whatever.

I've been best friends with a girl since 5th grade (and we're both almost 21 now)--and guess what, she's gay. Throughout high school I had gay male friends and gay female friends as well as bi female friends. I've been to many parties where 99% of the ppl there were gay or lesbian or bi. I get along better with gay men than straight anyone oftentimes. My point is, I have no problem, hidden or outright, with gays, lesbians or bisexuals and the above factoids should help you to see that.

P.S.

What is "poofta bashing"? I've never heard that term before.

P.P.S.

Cortica, I apologize if I offended you with my post; I truly didn't mean to.

I forgot to also say that my boyfriend's younger brother is gay, and I almost like him better than my boyfriend. lol.

I don't spend much time thinking about gay people and I doubt they spend much time thinking about me.

a Taurus girl

well said taurus girl 🤢gt;

Ive never found Phoenix to be homophobic, quite the opposite in fact. While it is a constant struggle to be gay and exist in the REAL world (and not just on the gay scene) we (all gay people) are lucky we were not around in the 50's and 60's where we would have been majorly ostracised. I am gay, i am not bi although i love men (as in a 'friends' way. I appreciate them for who they are and dont find them unattractive. Sometimes i even long for sex with one just for a night. I think men and woman are supposed to be together but i cant help the way i am). Its all a bit complicated but basically i go with how i 'feel' rather than what i think i should 'do'. I think Phoenix summed it up nicely when she said "I don't care who anyone sleeps with or wants to love", because it IS all about love at the end of the day, its not just a sex thing.

Thanks Libragirl! I'm glad you see where I'm coming from. And I think you're doing the right thing by trusting your instincts and feelings more than anything else. You will be with who you are supposed to be with, man or woman. I think sexuality in EVERYONE is a lot less rigidly set and confined to one gender than mainstream society would have us believe. And nobody should have to justify or explain their preferences, whether set from birth or gradually chosen over the years. I too am glad that you (actually EVERYONE) is not living in sexually repressed times anymore...sexuality is such a huge part of being human that it must have been just so unnatural and stifling to have to live back then--especially for gays/lesbians. But yes, in the end, love is the most important thing, so wherever you find it, I'm glad for you! : )

Thanks sweety 🙂 Yes, im following my instincts. As i said, its hard existing outside of the gay community. I have ties with it but i also like the real world. I like being able to communicate with people about issues other than sexaulity and i find the gay scene to be too focused on b..... about everyone else's lives and what not.

Its funny actually because the gay scene/community is heterophobic in some ways. If you are openly 'gay' and you end up with a member of the opposite sex you will (most of the time) be ostrasized. At the end of the day i am pretty self righteous, i usually end up doing what i want regardless of public opinion. That's one thing about us libra roosters, we SHUN public opinion!

Thank you for your support. Its somehow refreshing to know that someone else (im sure there are lots of people who do this) can transcend societies norms and have a more universal way of looking at things. I like people who are 'happy' for other peoples fortune/happiness. I think its such a great quality.

Libragirl, I am glad you are so open about yourself, but I am just curious? Have you ever been with a man, and did you not enjoy it. What can two women do? I find the male part to be very satisfying. I just want to know, why you are not attracted to such a thing? My saying about two women together is "two heys can't rock". Not to be funny, but they can't. If I am not being to personal, could you answer this?

Libra girl this is Scorpio Woman, what was ment when u said that no one would mess with MarineSag? LoL.... just dying to know 🙂

Well scorpio woman, i had this image of marinesag as a big tough marine with a crew cut, defending his territory, Lol! It was meant in jest 😉

Twinkee,
I dont have much time but in regards to "what do we do in bed?" use your imagination, Lol! I dont think i should go into explicit detail here as i get paranoid that someone i dont want knowing these things may catch me one day, but there are all sorts of things you can do. For a start, there's oral. It may turn you off but if you like someone, its a turn on (for me it is anyway). Oh anyway, here i go explaining myself when i said i wouldnt...!

In regards to whether or not i have been with a guy the answer is 'yes'. Ive had a few really nice/good boyfriends. They were more like best friends than anything to me but they treated me with respect and that was nice. The sex was ok, i didnt mind it but i always felt there was something missing. I think the missing element was spirituality; i just didnt get the spiritual/emotional or aesthetic buzz that i do with a girl.

I understand what your saying about the 'rocking' thing, it is hard to do that with a girl and its something i would love to do with someone i LOVE. Sometimes it gets frustrating because although you have fulfilment on all levels, you know you can never have a baby with the one you love or can never truely be one (if that makes sense). I suppose i feel the oneness in other ways though.

For me, i dont regret a single day that i have been true to myself. I respect everybody's choices. As i said before, you dont CHOOSE to be gay, you are born that way (i believe). The only thing you chose is whether or not to be true to yourself.

On a closing note, i leave myself open to meeting a guy. I dont like to live a 'gay' life, as i believe you are a person first and your sexuality comes after that. If your next question is "do i have trouble finding gay or interested woman?" the answer is 'no'! Its funny, i always seem to attract 'like' types. I do go out on the gay scene sometimes which makes it pretty obvious that everybody there must be gay but i prefer to meet people through friends.

Believe it or not twinkee, gay people have all the problems you guys have. We fall in and out of love, get heartbroken and sometimes miss out on the one we really want 😉

Hey, im happy to answer any questions you have, apart from the ones about my sex life, which i may answer one day when i feel comfortable talking about it on the internet.

Seeya later,
Libragirl.

PS. I knew i was gay from the age of 15.

Hey girls...

Let me start by saying I have no problem with gay people indeed I have very close friends that are gay. Everybody should have the right to live as they please so long as they do no harm to others or...(and here's where I'm going with this)...THEMSELVES...!!!

I mean no harm with what I'm about to say, I'm curious...I like to ponder and explore my thoughts and I do not intend to confuse anyone of their sexuality by challangin it, I merely give my opinion on this board and accept others. While this might not have much to do with the topic of sexuality it fits in with the recurring topic of libragirl and co. saying they are being true to themselves by "choosing" to be listen to themselves and be gay.

What I was thinking is this...

I believe that your inner voice is your true "self" and is the voice of God and when one listens to themselves ie. their inner voice their lives will take the shape and form they truely want and that way anything is possible because you are in sync with nature and yourself so your life and it's progress is pure, good and true.

Now I think ok well nature would have it that man meets woman and they come together as one in the act of intercourse for procreation. So now that we all know this...why would nature contradict itself like that and send anyone a message via their inner voice that they should be gay...—

It just doesn't add up to me...it's un-natural to me.

All I can think in reply to that is that we will live many lives as humans on earth while we learn to better get in touch with that inner voice/feeling live a wholesome life and finally move on from this world.
Maybe gay people either wrongly assume they are listening to themselves or maybe there are lessons to be learnt through being gay...I dunno...

All I do know is that the same voice that tells me as a guy to go for woman could never tell a woman to go for another woman because that means it's not the same voice or feeling...—

O.k so I would like to apologise to any people if they take offense at my post above...

I have just realised that it challenges the very essence of yourself as a gay person but these are my thoughts not yours and unless you find any truth in them you have no real reason for ill feeling toward me...

Love and light to all mankind...
Durrie.

Thanks for your apology in advance durrie - just out of interest, every time you have sex, do you do it with the specific intention of breeding?

And what about when you masturbate?

The idea of what is 'natural' is contrived in the minds of each individual and, on a broader level, is subject to the context, the time, the society etc. in which the dominant ideology is supported. You may perceive something as 'unnatural' and you may find an amount of affirmation for those views within certain aspects of your own society,however that doesn't automatically attach any validity or credibility to such ideas.

Think of similar applications of the term 'natural' in history - it is natural for women to stay at home and look after the children because they have a natural desire to nurture - it is natural for black people to be denied the vote, a minimum wage and a general sense of equality because they are naturally not as clever as the white man - up until 1986 (in australia) marital rape was legal and a woman was bound to submit to her husband's 'natural' urges. People use the term natural to reinforce all sorts of opinions.

Therefore, when someone uses 'un-natural' in relation to the homosexuality issue, i get frustrated on so many levels. From a personal perspective, I view heterosexual relationships as the abnormal combination. These are my own opinions - I don't feel the need to approach heterosexual people and ask them to 'challenge' the essence of their sexual identity. Where I find your post offensive is in the way you position yourself in the 'natural' corner and expect people to actually assess themselves in relation to your system of beliefs.

Like taurus girl said - 'I don't spend much time thinking about gay people and I doubt they spend much time thinking about me.'

I for one, am sick of hearing other people's trite little philosophical explanations in areas that really don't concern them.

Thanks for answering my questions Libragirl. Knowing that being gay is hard, I am sure you would not choose this route if you had a choice. I hope you can find a true soulmate, but don't give up on the guys yet, because there has got to be one that you can connect with the way you are wanting.

"The idea of what is 'natural' is contrived in the minds of each individual and, on a broader level, is subject to the context, the time, the society etc. in which the dominant ideology is supported. You may perceive something as 'unnatural' and you may find an amount of affirmation for those views within certain aspects of your own society,however that doesn't automatically attach any validity or credibility to such ideas."

Wow! Words? How about God's ideoligy? He lays it out pretty easy to understand. He suggests no sex at all and to be more like himself. Not a commandment but by benifit of humanity. If we cannot control or desires, then we should be married to the person. The critera for marriage today is between a man and woman, only! Society doesn't recognize homosexual marriages. Why should it? Marriage is created for pro-creation, heirs, and property laws. Since pro-creating is not a matter in homosexual relationships then there is no need it. You don't need to be married in most states to have sex! My point is the legitimacy of homosexual realtionships and even recognizing them! I don't give much thought to any of it myself. But if it is ok for them to occure what about sex with relatives or sex with animals or what is to say anything is out of the question? How about 'if it feels good then do it!' I don't want to go down that road. Don't get me wrong if you want to have a lesbian lover and swing from the chandelier, go for it! But don't expect me to have to except that your 'choice' is not just that. It is a choice. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to have sex. Just don't have any! And don't expect laws to be adopted to fit your sexual agendas! And don't try and make me look like I am the one with a problem because I don't accept it as even a worthwhile subject to talk about. Whatever you do behind closes doors is your business. Don't try and invovle me with your sex life!

Libragirl, It is cool with what u said about MarineSag, he is not a little person and as far as his hair, he still wears it military standards....in which I like, I just wanted to know what was ment by the comment. 🙂

Best wishes to you!!!!

In my opinion it makes it hard to have a productive debate when people are coming from extremes...you know, for example the extreme left or the extreme right. There's nothing wrong with having very strong beliefs, no matter what they are...the only thing that's wrong is when you start to use your beliefs or life style whether gay or straight to put down a different life style with personal attacks. Sexuality does not make the person if you know what I mean. It is only an element of a human being, not the whole human being. So in a way I wonder why we even have the terms "gay" or "straight"...I mean, what does it matter and why should anyone define themselves within such a small box under such a limited label? I wonder if one day we will no longer use the words gay, lesbian, straight...because people will wake up and realize that it just doesn't matter.

AMEN!!!! Well said 🙂

Thanks scorpio woman! : )

This is an opinion board, what are you doing on on if you can handle debate. If you are think that where ever you go in life everyone is going to be happy and agree with each other, you need your head examined!! These are sensitive issues and we all have our own individual right to express them anyway we CHOOSE! It is my right! So go back and play with your dolls!

"If you are think that where ever you go in life everyone is going to be happy and agree with each other, you need your head examined!!"

That's not at all what I was saying.

"These are sensitive issues and we all have our own individual right to express them anyway we CHOOSE! It is my right! So go back and play with your dolls!"

Yeah I agree--if you've read any of my posts on other boards I'm always defending the right to speak as we wish on this site...you totally missed my point, maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm aware these are sensitive issues, I'm just saying there will be no progress made on this topic if everyone comes at it from one extreme or the other...if you can't debate and listen to the middle ground, or any ground other than your own, then you aren't debating, you're only fighting. Either try to see the other side of something or why bother fighting? That is my point.

I am not one who is much for politics, and I also am aware that arguements are usually created because of passionate and opposing and extreme view points. I think that it necessary for us to argue and debate these topics. When we stop challenging each others opinions and belifes, that is when progress stops and we are going no where!! I will always try to listen to both side and then make a decision. But I will never ever let someone tell me I cannot have my say!

Hmmm...yes I agree with wonder box and 152, debate is a healthy thing but although I also agree that bashing people through verbal abuse should not be permitted...it's plain mean.

Phoenix I know you are a great person and you know I would never intentionally try to hurt you or your feelings but lately you have been sitting on the fence...

Your post are always very true and very eloquently put and they always have both parties in mind in an attempt to make the two sides more tollerant of each other and that is great...that is noble...that shows you prefere to spread the love and not the hate...but...

How do we learn tollerance for others and their opinions without listening to what they have to say first...and then not letting those opinions get under our skin no matter how crazy we might think they are...—

I agree we shouldn't insult each other, and we ALL have! There are time when this happens and it is just human nature!!! Look what just happened in Washington DC, and that shows you how hot things can get when there are opposing views and deeply held belifes!!! Communication is healthy, and there is no reason to run away when things get a little heated. It doensn't mean I don't like you or respect you as a person if I disagree; it means I feel strongly about what I am saying, that is all!

Cortica...I can see how I was offensive and I appologised for that but knowing I ment no harm means you are irritating yourself if you are irritated by my post because that was never my intention.

You are right...I don?t always think of gay people and I?m sure they don?t give much thought to me but a topic was raised through a question and my opinion was given...does that make me or my opinion "trite"...I see no basis for your irritation other that my beliefs clashing with yours and we both know that?s no reason to be upset...—

No I do not always have sex and or mastibate just in the name of procreation but that doesn?t mean sex is ment for anything else other than what it is meant for...survival of the species...procreation...pure and simple, so it is on those grounds that I think your "sexuality" should be based...not what your mind finds more attractive...a male figure or a woman figure. That's "desire"...that's "lust"...that's has nothing to do with what "sex" is about or for...?

Man in his obsession with self gratification contrives many myths to hide his alter ego?s gluttony behind. Otherwise known as his mind, he satisfies this alter ego to satisfy himself only...he throws the rule book out the window all to often to satisfy himself...!!!

Cort, it is through Gods gift of choice you are perfectly entitled to be gay, straight, or bi...that?s your choice and I have no problem with that...but you can?t tell me it?s "un-natural" to think that sex is ment for anything other than survival of the species...what's "un-natural" about that...—

Where does society and the opression of the black man fit in with this, geez...how can you say what is "natural" is in context to the time and society...—

What's "natural" is governed by "nature" not society...this is 1+1=2 stuff here—

These are laws...these are constants...these are rules laid down by God that govern us all, regarless of the society we live in.
These rules, laws and constants were around for millions of years...way before man started to civilise himself and hence...create society with it's lust for self gratification which it hides behind the guise of "love" to justify it's gluttony...so...

I think I can posistion myself in the "natural" corner. I think I can assess gay relationships in terms of what is "natures law" because this is not just my system of beliefs Cort, because like it or not...these beliefs of mine govern your life too...

How do we learn tollerance for others and their opinions without listening to what they have to say first...and then not letting those opinions get under our skin no matter how crazy we might think they are...—

If you are refering to my opinion as crazy Durrie, why don't you challenge it. I mean, is that the best you can do—

Wonderbox...I wonder what you wonder..hehe.

I agreed with you I didn't challenge you...—

Well, that is no fun! Where is the challenge—

I will agree that you can position yourself in the nature corner, but I must tell you something. Having been around alot of nature. I have seen animals that were bi-sexual too. If they are feelin frisky and there is only same sex animal nearby, they will rape it! I have seen it many times. I am not sure if it is a domination thing or a gratification situation! I am thinking it is domination? Or maybe just confusion. I don't know why I bought this up but maybe something to think about. I don't think they actually get any thing done it is just alot of humping around.

Woah Wonderbox...easy now.

These are serious topics we are discussing here...not fun ones...these involve people, their feelings and their lives and in my opinion those things are not for your amusement.

There are plenty of fun topics on the misc board...like "your favorate move" or "your favorate drink". If you want some "fun" reply to them.

Take care...
Durrie.

i dont think being gay is a bad thing, i really dont like it when ppl bring them down just because they have their own interest. Who knows, if this whole community was "gay" wouldnt we see it as a normal thing? So we should just let them be and live your lives!

I think I need to further clarify myself because for some reason people gathered that I was saying that we SHOULD'NT be debating at all...what I was trying to get across is not that we shouldn't debate this topic or any other--I was trying to say that there is a difference between a debate and a FIGHT. Don't you all think so? A fight happens when healthy debate stops, when ppl start insulting one another on a personal level--and though that may be human nature and something that happens often, it doesn't mean it's right. Yes we've all been guilty of it. But still it is wrong...and I'm sorry but I don't see how personal attacks further "healthy" discussion or debate. All it does is put people on the defensive, and then the debate spirals downward into a fight. My simple point is that debate, even HEATED debate is necessary and GOOD, but fighting and personal insults has no place in healthy, heated debate. I know that it will happen anyway, I'm just saying that we should all try our best to not sling mud if our point can be made without doing so. People are much more likely to listen to the other side if for example, the other side isn't telling them to go play with their dolls... : )

Challenging each others beliefs and such is good. Also, I'm not running from it, I was distancing myself from a FIGHT that was becoming personal...because I didn't want to start attacking people back. It's similar to having to leave the room to cool down when you have a fight with your significant other or friend...you do it so that you don't say anything you'll later regret.

By the way durrie, whether you know it or not, that's something that I recently learned from you, from the bombing Iraq discussion... lol

Luz,

I don't care what someone wants to do in the privacy of their home. I don't think it should even be discussed. Homosexuality is a life style choice and a sexual preference and why does it have to be told to anyone who is not involved within the relationship anyway— I don't go around telling people I like a certain type of sex act. Yeah, ok fine. Live and let live good, but how far is too far— And if it is morally ok for women to have sex with other women and men with men, why not mothers and sons and brothers and sisters, father and daughters and whatever senario you can think of— If this qualifies as love, and everyone involved is a consenting adult, where is the line? Is everyting and anything acceptable?