http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Confusion over flight path
On Tuesday, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN that the plane appeared to have veered hundreds of miles off course after losing contact with air controllers early Thursday. The official said the plane vanished from radar near the tiny island of Palau Perak in the Straits of Malacca.
The plane's identifying transponder had stopped sending signals, too, the official said.
Suggestions that the plane had veered off course and that its identifying transponder was not working raise obvious concerns about a hijacking, analysts tell CNN. But a catastrophic power failure or other problem could also explain the anomalies, analysts say.
At the news briefing Wednesday, however, Gen. Rodzali Daud, head of the Malaysian Air Force, and other officials said it wasn't yet clear whether the object that showed up on military radar flying over the sea northwest of the Malaysian coast early Saturday was the missing plane.
The officials said they are asking experts from the U.S. Federal Aviation Authority and National Transportation Safety Board to help them analyze the radar data.
Rodzali said Wednesday that officials are still "examining and analyzing all possibilities" when it comes to the plane's flight path.
Adding to the confusion, The New York Times quoted a spokesman for the Malaysian prime minister's office as saying military officials had told him there was no evidence the plane had flown back over the Malay Peninsula to the Straits of Malacca.
The Prime Minister's office didn't immediately return calls from CNN seeking comment Wednesday.
On Tuesday, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN that the plane appeared to have veered hundreds of miles off course after losing contact with air controllers early Thursday. The official said the plane vanished from radar near the tiny island of Palau Perak in the Straits of Malacca.
The plane's identifying transponder had stopped sending signals, too, the official said.
Suggestions that the plane had veered off course and that its identifying transponder was not working raise obvious concerns about a hijacking, analysts tell CNN. But a catastrophic power failure or other problem could also explain the anomalies, analysts say.
At the news briefing Wednesday, however, Gen. Rodzali Daud, head of the Malaysian Air Force, and other officials said it wasn't yet clear whether the object that showed up on military radar flying over the sea northwest of the Malaysian coast early Saturday was the missing plane.
The officials said they are asking experts from the U.S. Federal Aviation Authority and National Transportation Safety Board to help them analyze the radar data.
Rodzali said Wednesday that officials are still "examining and analyzing all possibilities" when it comes to the plane's flight path.
Adding to the confusion, The New York Times quoted a spokesman for the Malaysian prime minister's office as saying military officials had told him there was no evidence the plane had flown back over the Malay Peninsula to the Straits of Malacca.
The Prime Minister's office didn't immediately return calls from CNN seeking comment Wednesday.
No trace
The search zones includes huge swaths of ocean on each side of the Malay Peninsula, as well as land.
Forty-two ships and 39 planes from 12 countries have been searching the sea between the northeast coast of Malaysia and southwest Vietnam, the area where the plane lost contact with air traffic controllers.
But they are also looking off the west coast of the Malay Peninsula, in the Straits of Malacca, and north into the Andaman Sea.
The search zones includes huge swaths of ocean on each side of the Malay Peninsula, as well as land.
Forty-two ships and 39 planes from 12 countries have been searching the sea between the northeast coast of Malaysia and southwest Vietnam, the area where the plane lost contact with air traffic controllers.
But they are also looking off the west coast of the Malay Peninsula, in the Straits of Malacca, and north into the Andaman Sea.
No word on our Navy SEALS...
Throw them in the mix...they can smell shit from a seahorse.
Throw them in the mix...they can smell shit from a seahorse.
Look at the water depth..not deep at all!
Avg of 100' deep! Skip in the park for the SEALs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/q-and-a-on-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html?_r=0
Avg of 100' deep! Skip in the park for the SEALs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/q-and-a-on-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html?_r=0
I'm glued to this story. The amount of time that's passed and the efforts they are making to no avail has got me hooked...
Between them saying and then denying the plane flew an additional four hours and having something (potential BIG pieces of the plane) on radar since SUNDAY and not saying anything until yesterday raises an eyebrow. I'm glad US investigators are in on this, seems there's confusion between the malaysian and chinese officials...and consistent confusion.
(CNN) -- A Chinese satellite probing the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea," a Chinese government agency said -- a potentially pivotal lead into what thus far has been a frustrating, fruitless search.
China's State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense announced the discovery, including images of what it said were "three suspected floating objects."
The objects aren't small: 13 by 18 meters (43 by 59 feet), 14 by 19 meters (46 by 62 feet) and 24 by 22 meters (79 feet by 72 feet). For reference, the wingspan of an intact Boeing 777-200ER like the one that disappeared is about 61 meters (200 feet), and the plane's overall length is about 64 meters (210 feet).
The images were captured around 11 a.m. on March 9, the day after the plane went missing, but weren't released until Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
(CNN) -- A Chinese satellite probing the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea," a Chinese government agency said -- a potentially pivotal lead into what thus far has been a frustrating, fruitless search.
China's State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense announced the discovery, including images of what it said were "three suspected floating objects."
The objects aren't small: 13 by 18 meters (43 by 59 feet), 14 by 19 meters (46 by 62 feet) and 24 by 22 meters (79 feet by 72 feet). For reference, the wingspan of an intact Boeing 777-200ER like the one that disappeared is about 61 meters (200 feet), and the plane's overall length is about 64 meters (210 feet).
The images were captured around 11 a.m. on March 9, the day after the plane went missing, but weren't released until Wednesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
If in fact the plane did fly four more hours and crashed elsewhere, it could take forever to find it.
My heart goes out to the families who obviously need closure on this.
My heart goes out to the families who obviously need closure on this.
Posted by LetltB
I'm glued to this story. The amount of time that's passed and the efforts they are making to no avail has got me hooked...
Me too... Mind boggling.
Are they telling us the whole truth?
Enter the USS Kidd 🙂
I'm tired of the Malaysian Govt. saying "it cannot confirm the report"
A Reuters report says military radar data suggest that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was "deliberately flown hundreds of miles off course" toward India's Andaman Islands, "heightening suspicions of foul play among investigators."
The Malaysian government says it cannot confirm the report.
The report cites unnamed sources and does not say which nation's military radar information is the basis for the report.
The Reuters story comes as the search area for the missing plane has widened again. After starting in the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam, the plane's last confirmed location, efforts are now expanding west into the vastness of the Indian Ocean. The USS Kidd, a destroyer from the U.S. Pacific Fleet, is being moved into the Indian Ocean to aid in the search, Cmdr. William Marks of the U.S. 7th Fleet says.
For complete coverage of the search for Flight 370, go to CNN TV, CNN.com
I'm tired of the Malaysian Govt. saying "it cannot confirm the report"
A Reuters report says military radar data suggest that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was "deliberately flown hundreds of miles off course" toward India's Andaman Islands, "heightening suspicions of foul play among investigators."
The Malaysian government says it cannot confirm the report.
The report cites unnamed sources and does not say which nation's military radar information is the basis for the report.
The Reuters story comes as the search area for the missing plane has widened again. After starting in the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam, the plane's last confirmed location, efforts are now expanding west into the vastness of the Indian Ocean. The USS Kidd, a destroyer from the U.S. Pacific Fleet, is being moved into the Indian Ocean to aid in the search, Cmdr. William Marks of the U.S. 7th Fleet says.
For complete coverage of the search for Flight 370, go to CNN TV, CNN.com
Posted by djbuck1
This reminds me of the loss of TWA Flight 800 back in 1996, which was never adequately explained. However, that aircraft went down off Long island, and its loss was immediately known and substantial parts of the fuselage were recovered.
I watched the seconds from disaster documentary on it..they blamed damaged wiring..conducting to a shortcircuit that ignited the vapors in the tank
A lot of people still believe it was foul play or a missile attack.
the plane probably became self aware
Well, now they are saying "Piracy" (Capt. Phillips in the air?)
'Act of piracy' is being probed in jetliner mystery
A U.S. official said investigators are examining the possibility of 'human intervention' in the disappearance of Flight MH 370
By EILEEN NG and JOAN LOWY
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Investigators are increasingly certain the missing Malaysian Airlines jet turned back across the country after its last radio contact with air traffic controllers, and that someone with aviation skills was responsible for the change in course, a Malaysian government official said Friday.
A U.S. official said in Washington that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance, adding it may have been "an act of piracy." The official, who wasn't authorized to talk to the media and spoke on condition of anonymity, said it also was possible the plane may have landed somewhere.
While other theories are still being examined, the official said key evidence for the human intervention is that contact with the Boeing 777's transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before a messaging system on the jet quit.
The Malaysian official, who also declined to be identified because he is not authorized to brief the media, said only a skilled person could navigate the plane the way it was flown after its last confirmed location over the South China Sea.
Earlier Friday, acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the country had yet to determine what happened to the plane after it dropped off civilian radar and ceased communicating with the ground around 40 minutes into the flight to Beijing on March 8.
He said investigators were still trying to establish with certainty that military radar records of a blip moving west across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca showed Flight MH370.
"I will be the most happiest person if we can actually confirm that it is the MH370, then we can move all (search) assets from the South China Sea to the Strait of Malacca," he told reporters. Until then, he said, the international search effort would continue expanding east and west from the plane's last confirmed location.
The Malaysian official said it had now been established with a "more than 50 percent" degree of certainty that military radar had picked up the missing plane.
'Act of piracy' is being probed in jetliner mystery
A U.S. official said investigators are examining the possibility of 'human intervention' in the disappearance of Flight MH 370
By EILEEN NG and JOAN LOWY
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Investigators are increasingly certain the missing Malaysian Airlines jet turned back across the country after its last radio contact with air traffic controllers, and that someone with aviation skills was responsible for the change in course, a Malaysian government official said Friday.
A U.S. official said in Washington that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance, adding it may have been "an act of piracy." The official, who wasn't authorized to talk to the media and spoke on condition of anonymity, said it also was possible the plane may have landed somewhere.
While other theories are still being examined, the official said key evidence for the human intervention is that contact with the Boeing 777's transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before a messaging system on the jet quit.
The Malaysian official, who also declined to be identified because he is not authorized to brief the media, said only a skilled person could navigate the plane the way it was flown after its last confirmed location over the South China Sea.
Earlier Friday, acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the country had yet to determine what happened to the plane after it dropped off civilian radar and ceased communicating with the ground around 40 minutes into the flight to Beijing on March 8.
He said investigators were still trying to establish with certainty that military radar records of a blip moving west across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca showed Flight MH370.
"I will be the most happiest person if we can actually confirm that it is the MH370, then we can move all (search) assets from the South China Sea to the Strait of Malacca," he told reporters. Until then, he said, the international search effort would continue expanding east and west from the plane's last confirmed location.
The Malaysian official said it had now been established with a "more than 50 percent" degree of certainty that military radar had picked up the missing plane.
On Thursday, a U.S. official said the plane remained airborne after losing contact with air traffic control, sending a signal to establish contact with a satellite. The Malaysian official confirmed this, referring to the process by its technical term of a "handshake."
Boeing offers a satellite service that can receive a stream of data on how an aircraft is functioning in flight and relay the information to the plane's home base. Malaysia Airlines didn't subscribe to that service, but the plane still had the capability to connect with the satellite and was automatically sending signals, or pings, said the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the situation by name.
Hishammuddin said the government would only release information about the signals when they were verified.
"I hope within a couple of days to have something conclusive," he told a news conference.
Malaysia has faced accusations it isn't sharing all its information or suspicions about the plane's final movements. It insists it is being open, and says it would be irresponsible to narrow the focus of the search until there is undeniable evidence of the plane's flight path.
No theory has been ruled out in one of modern aviation's most puzzling mysteries.
But it now appears increasingly certain the plane didn't experience a catastrophic incident over the South China Sea as was initially seen as the most likely scenario. Some experts believe it is possible that one of the pilots, or someone with flying experience, hijacked the plane for some later purpose or committed suicide by plunging the aircraft into the sea.
Boeing offers a satellite service that can receive a stream of data on how an aircraft is functioning in flight and relay the information to the plane's home base. Malaysia Airlines didn't subscribe to that service, but the plane still had the capability to connect with the satellite and was automatically sending signals, or pings, said the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the situation by name.
Hishammuddin said the government would only release information about the signals when they were verified.
"I hope within a couple of days to have something conclusive," he told a news conference.
Malaysia has faced accusations it isn't sharing all its information or suspicions about the plane's final movements. It insists it is being open, and says it would be irresponsible to narrow the focus of the search until there is undeniable evidence of the plane's flight path.
No theory has been ruled out in one of modern aviation's most puzzling mysteries.
But it now appears increasingly certain the plane didn't experience a catastrophic incident over the South China Sea as was initially seen as the most likely scenario. Some experts believe it is possible that one of the pilots, or someone with flying experience, hijacked the plane for some later purpose or committed suicide by plunging the aircraft into the sea.
Mike Glynn, a committee member of the Australian and International Pilots Association, said he considers pilot suicide to be the most likely explanation for the disappearance, as was suspected in a SilkAir crash during a flight from Singapore to Jakarta in 1997 and an EgyptAir flight in 1999.
"A pilot rather than a hijacker is more likely to be able to switch off the communications equipment," Glynn said. "The last thing that I, as a pilot, want is suspicion to fall on the crew, but it's happened twice before."
Glynn said a pilot may have sought to fly the plane into the Indian Ocean to reduce the chances of recovering data recorders, and to conceal the cause of the disaster.
Scores of aircraft and ships from 12 countries are involved in the search, which reaches into the eastern stretches of the South China Sea and on the western side of the Malay Peninsula, northwest into the Andaman Sea and the India Ocean.
India said it was using heat sensors on flights over hundreds of uninhabited Andaman Sea islands Friday and would expand the search for the missing jet farther west into the Bay of Bengal, more than 1,600 kilometers (100 miles) to the west of the plane's last known position. Spokesman Col. Harmit Singh of India's Tri-Services Command said it began land searches after sweeping seas to the north, east and south of the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
A team of five U.S. officials with air traffic control and radar expertise - three from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and two from the Federal Aviation Administration - has been in Kuala Lumpur since Monday to assist with the investigation.
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Lowy reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Ashok Sharma in New Delhi, Jim Gomez in Kuala Lumpur, Tran V. Minh in Hanoi, Vietnam, Thanyarat Doksone in Bangkok, and Rod McGuirk in Canberra, Australia, contributed to this report.
"A pilot rather than a hijacker is more likely to be able to switch off the communications equipment," Glynn said. "The last thing that I, as a pilot, want is suspicion to fall on the crew, but it's happened twice before."
Glynn said a pilot may have sought to fly the plane into the Indian Ocean to reduce the chances of recovering data recorders, and to conceal the cause of the disaster.
Scores of aircraft and ships from 12 countries are involved in the search, which reaches into the eastern stretches of the South China Sea and on the western side of the Malay Peninsula, northwest into the Andaman Sea and the India Ocean.
India said it was using heat sensors on flights over hundreds of uninhabited Andaman Sea islands Friday and would expand the search for the missing jet farther west into the Bay of Bengal, more than 1,600 kilometers (100 miles) to the west of the plane's last known position. Spokesman Col. Harmit Singh of India's Tri-Services Command said it began land searches after sweeping seas to the north, east and south of the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
A team of five U.S. officials with air traffic control and radar expertise - three from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and two from the Federal Aviation Administration - has been in Kuala Lumpur since Monday to assist with the investigation.
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Lowy reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Ashok Sharma in New Delhi, Jim Gomez in Kuala Lumpur, Tran V. Minh in Hanoi, Vietnam, Thanyarat Doksone in Bangkok, and Rod McGuirk in Canberra, Australia, contributed to this report.
U.S. Navy Video Shows Search for Missing Jet
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The USS Kidd, a guided-missile destroyer, is among the U.S. Navy ships that have joined the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines jet.
On Saturday, the Navy released video showing the Kidd's effort in the Strait of Malacca between the Malaysian peninsula and Sumatra Island. The strait is on one of the flight paths that investigators believe the missing jet may have taken.
The ship has two MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopters that can search past the horizon. But the Navy said that so far no debris from the missing Boeing 777-200 has been found.
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The USS Kidd, a guided-missile destroyer, is among the U.S. Navy ships that have joined the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines jet.
On Saturday, the Navy released video showing the Kidd's effort in the Strait of Malacca between the Malaysian peninsula and Sumatra Island. The strait is on one of the flight paths that investigators believe the missing jet may have taken.
The ship has two MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopters that can search past the horizon. But the Navy said that so far no debris from the missing Boeing 777-200 has been found.
Missing Jet's Initial Turn Was Entered Using Computer
The first turn of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was made using the jet's computer system rather than its manual controls, authorities confirmed to NBC News - reinforcing the theory that the plane was deliberately diverted.
The course of the Beijing-bound flight was changed by entering navigational instructions into the Flight Management System (FMS), the cockpit computer that directs the plane along a flight plan chosen by pilots.
It is not clear when the instruction to turn west was entered into the FMS, but its use suggests the change of course was carried out by somebody in the cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems. The FMS is controlled by a display panel between the two pilots.
Information from the FMS is among the data transmitted by the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) which sends information back to the airline's maintenance base.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-jets-initial-turn-was-entered-using-computer-n55306
"Searches by more than two dozen countries have so far turned up little but frustration and fresh questions about Flight MH370."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-china-satellite-sees-new-possible-debris-indian-ocean-n59396
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-china-satellite-sees-new-possible-debris-indian-ocean-n59396
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Alien abduction, maybe 🙂? That's better than being fish food imo. I hope they find answers to this, the families must be going through hell. Still don't get why it's taking them too long to figure it out though.
Wow that's interesting, Seraph, thanks for the in-depth. Can they be sued for this, the airline I mean since you mentioned that it's a very rare situation?
"Najib Razak said flight data suggested the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777's "last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean west of Perth, [Australia]."
He added: —This is a remote location, far from any possible landing site. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that according to this data the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean.??
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-mh370-ended-indian-ocean-malaysias-pm-says-n60221
...data suggested? How many sheep are going to buy this load of horseshit?
Proof..Facts Not gonna believe anything short of that.
He added: —This is a remote location, far from any possible landing site. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that according to this data the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean.??
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-mh370-ended-indian-ocean-malaysias-pm-says-n60221
...data suggested? How many sheep are going to buy this load of horseshit?
Proof..Facts Not gonna believe anything short of that.
Posted by seraph
Before all the conspiracy wingnuts invade this thread, until the actual plane is found, *no one* can speak in absolutes. This is obvious. But we all know *exactly* what the data from Inmarsat and the AAIB means: the plane ended up in the drink.
HOW do we know this?
I have complete faith that the "suggested data" or something more solid will come to fruition showing proof and facts for all to see. Until that happens, I'm one not to take suggestion as fact, as I do not flock with sheep. I have called no one a liar. I've called the "suggested data" horseshit.
Regarding throwing around conspiracies, and expanding our minds with possibilities, Americans who like to think outside the box enjoy doing this while waiting for confirmation or proof and to pass time. It's another freedom we enjoy over here, but have enough intelligence to wait out what the actual/factual conclusion(s) may be. We don't get arrested for that here, in fact it is an enjoyable conversational activity.
We also don't get arrested for NOT believing everything the media would like us to believe.
Americans and America...I love this country. 😎
Posted by seraph
You can either go with the easy, obvious explanation, advanced by professionals who have actually worked with all the data, or you can keep doubting, and entertaining convoluted bullshit based on suspicion and paranoia gone wild.
Thinking "outside the box" doesn't mean you have to stop using your head.
I made myself clear TWICE now. I'm not going with a "SUGGESTION". I'm going to go with FACT.
Very simple and easy.
The professionals have been QUOTED as saying "the data suggests"....
When they can prove it and put all out there in black and white with facts to back it up, It will be then that I make my own determination.
When they can prove it and put all out there in black and white with facts to back it up, It will be then that I make my own determination.
I won't be arrested for that either...lol
Posted by seraph
Obviously. It is STANDARD to use that language when discussing any data.
You can take it as conclusive. Otherwise you wouldn't have heard Inmarsat, the AAIB, and the Malaysian PM announce it together. You usually need to have your act together in order to come forward in such a manner.
See Seraph? This is why I don't flock with sheep or people like you. I'm not the ONLY one who is calling this horseshit...the experts are too. The first snippet below...from the Malaysian PM is an "assumption" Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Plane 'Assumed to have Crashed Without Survivors' says Airline
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-plane-assumed-have-crashed-1441609
Families, experts want proof
One thing's missing from the official version of what happened, say some experts and family members: hard evidence. F
Aviation experts also expressed dissatisfaction and frustration with the information.
"We've been waiting for the shoe to drop for more than two weeks now. And what we got was the most tantalizingly unsatisfying thread of a resolution," Jeff Wise, a private pilot and aviation writer, told CNN.
CNN Aviation Analyst Miles O'Brien said he wanted to see more information about what was behind Malaysian authorities' announcement.
"There is a saying in science: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," he said. "Show me. Show me the evidence."
Authorities suspended Tuesday's planned sea and air search for signs of the missing Malaysia Airlines plane "due to poor weather conditions in the search area," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.
Malaysia Airlines said Tuesday it has offered family members $ 5,000 for each passenger aboard the ill-fated Flight 370 and was preparing to make additional payments as the prolonged search continues.
For complete coverage of breaking news, go to CNN TV, CNN.com
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. PERIOD. NONE, NADA, ZILCH...
Suck it up and gather the stupid sheep up fella with your extraordinary horseshit.
Suck it up and gather the stupid sheep up fella with your extraordinary horseshit.
Posted by seraphPosted by LetltB
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. PERIOD. NONE, NADA, ZILCH...
Suck it up and gather the stupid sheep up fella with your extraordinary horseshit.
The evidence is based on the acknowledged high integrity of Inmarsat's evaluation of the satellite data in collaboration with the AAIB, which places the aircraft in the water, and which was strong enough for both Inmarsat and the AAIB to put their names to it publicly.
THAT is why all those search assets are focusing their efforts in the ocean. Because there is strong (and extremity credible) evidence (you can call it "hamburger" or "pickle" - it won't change what it is) that that is where the flight ended up.
Doesn't matter how outrageously suspicious and paranoid you are, because THAT is the state of the data. If that isn't to your liking, then provide better data.
Here, knock yerself out:
http://www.defence.gov.au/footer/contacts.htm
click to expand
That is NOT HARD EVIDENCE PERIOD! NONE, NADA ZILCH.
You can call me whatever you wish, I don't give a rats ass. But calling the victims family and the experts names..would make you an asshole.
...and if it WAS HARD EVIDENCE...
The Malaysian govt. wouldn't be using the words "assumed" or "suggested data"
That's why this is being looked at as HORSESHIT not just by me but experts who know what the hell they are talking about.
The Malaysian govt. wouldn't be using the words "assumed" or "suggested data"
That's why this is being looked at as HORSESHIT not just by me but experts who know what the hell they are talking about.
Where's the proof? They showed pictures of the satellite...WHERE'S THE PROOF?
They DON'T have it. Period. FACT.
They DON'T have it. Period. FACT.
Posted by seraph
Of course, you can always pretend that the satellite data doesn't exist, that Inmarsat and the AAIB never analyzed any data, that even the most absurd scenarios are actually in play, and that everyone is lying.
For my part, though, I prefer to *not* wage war against sanity and common sense.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: China demands satellite data used to conclude Boeing 777 crashed into ocean
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia -- China demanded that Malaysia turn over the satellite data used to conclude that a Malaysia Airlines jetliner had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean killing everyone on board
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-china-demands-satellite-data-showing-boeing-777-crashed/
Do me a favor Seraph...you sling your sheep shit in the I NEED SHEEP TO FOLLOW ME THREAD
I'll stick with the facts here. 😉
Posted by seraph
Of course China will demand satellite data. If they didn't, the Chinese families would be accusing them of not doing enough. Of all the participating counties, China has spent more time pointing fingers at Malaysia (economic rivals) than doing actual searching.
This is part of how China operates in geopolitical affairs. Nothing new here.
Notwithstanding that, asking to see the data is a fair request. But thinking that it's bogus is pretty retarded, unless the folks over at Inmarsat and the AAIB are bluffing or making shit up: which is about as likely as me finding the wreckage in my backyard.
It's not just China (and you know that) looking for HARD EVIDENCE. If the majority of passengers were American, I'd expect our leaders to do the same thing for us. Now...go back to the other thread where you have a flock of believers Seraph..you serve no purpose here...at all.
Posted by SanchoElMejorPosted by LetltB
I thought only 3/65 passengers were American?click to expand
Yea what about it?
Please re-read..this is what I wrote:
"If the majority of passengers were American,...."
Posted by SanchoElMejor
Ah, my bad....
Yeah, what I said was completely stupid. Apparently, now they're saying there was 239 passengers on the plane.
The majority of passengers were from China I believe I heard. Hence why I would expect them to raise a stink.
Posted by LetltB
Look at the water depth..not deep at all!
Avg of 100' deep! Skip in the park for the SEALs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/q-and-a-on-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html?_r=0
23.000ft to be exact.
So supposedly they know what happened to the plane?
Posted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by LetltB
Look at the water depth..not deep at all!
Avg of 100' deep! Skip in the park for the SEALs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/q-and-a-on-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html?_r=0
23.000ft to be exact.click to expand
Look at the date I posted that jackass. That was the area of their first "i dunno" theory.
Posted by NotYourAverageAquarius
So supposedly they know what happened to the plane?
No...they have no clue or hard evidence.
However this is what they've come up with for those who don't want hard evidence.
"How 'groundbreaking' number crunching found path of Flight 370
Einstein would be laughing his ass off. Go here to watch the evidence for the assumptions:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-satellite-tracking/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Posted by LetltBPosted by XXMR2NICEXXPosted by LetltB
Look at the water depth..not deep at all!
Avg of 100' deep! Skip in the park for the SEALs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/q-and-a-on-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html?_r=0
23.000ft to be exact.
Look at the date I posted that jackass. That was the area of their first "i dunno" theory.click to expand
Jackass is your middle name right?
Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
Look at the date I posted that jackass. That was the area of their first "i dunno" theory.
Jackass is your middle name right?
aww..c'mon now. I put you in your place and fed you your shit back in the other thread, and now you predictably (again) are going to try and stalk my threads? You have at it.
When you produce logic, I'll respond. Carry on. 😉
Posted by LetltBPosted by XXMR2NICEXX
Look at the date I posted that jackass. That was the area of their first "i dunno" theory.
Jackass is your middle name right?
aww..c'mon now. I put you in your place and fed you your shit back in the other thread, and now you predictably (again) are going to try and stalk my threads? You have at it.
When you produce logic, I'll respond. Carry on. 😉
click to expand
Stalking you wish moron. There's never any logic in anything you say, your just a marker. If I want to respond in any thread I will it's my choice right? freedom DXP!!!
Posted by seraphPosted by LetltB
Einstein would be laughing his ass off.
Because?
Tell us why Inmarsat and the AAIB's data is wrong.
(instead of bringing the batshit hardcore.)
The method of analysis has already been explained several times.
Tell us what *your* tracking method shows.
And no, in the absence of wreckage, NO ONE can speak in absolutes - not because they are not certain, but because you simply can't use that kind of language in such a circumstance.click to expand
lol...
Two hundred pieces of debris in the water yesterday. (satellite)
Three hundred pieces of debris in the water today. (satellite)
Ships and planes covering all the areas all day yesterday, not one sighting or detection of debris.
Three hundred pieces of debris in the water today. (satellite)
Ships and planes covering all the areas all day yesterday, not one sighting or detection of debris.
Ya think—? ~sigh~
Plane search "likely to continue for a long time to come"
Last Updated Apr 12, 2014 11:40 PM EDT
PERTH, Australia - After a week of optimism over four underwater signals believed to be coming from the missing Malaysian plane, the sea has gone quiet and Australia's leader is warning that the massive search will likely be long.
No new electronic pings have been heard since April 8, and the batteries powering the locator beacons on the jet's black box recorders may already be dead. They only last about a month, and that window has already passed. Once officials are confident no more sounds will be heard, a robotic submersible will be sent down to slowly scour for wreckage across a vast area in extremely deep water.
"No one should underestimate the difficulties of the task still ahead of us," Prime Minister Tony Abbott said in Beijing on Saturday, the last day of his China trip.
Abbott appeared to couch his comments from a day earlier, when he met with Chinese President Xi Jinping to brief him on the search for the Malaysia Airlines flight, which was carrying 239 people - most of them Chinese - when it disappeared March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to Beijing.
After analyzing satellite data, officials believe the plane flew off course for an unknown reason and went down in the southern Indian Ocean off Australia's west coast.
Plane search "likely to continue for a long time to come"
Last Updated Apr 12, 2014 11:40 PM EDT
PERTH, Australia - After a week of optimism over four underwater signals believed to be coming from the missing Malaysian plane, the sea has gone quiet and Australia's leader is warning that the massive search will likely be long.
No new electronic pings have been heard since April 8, and the batteries powering the locator beacons on the jet's black box recorders may already be dead. They only last about a month, and that window has already passed. Once officials are confident no more sounds will be heard, a robotic submersible will be sent down to slowly scour for wreckage across a vast area in extremely deep water.
"No one should underestimate the difficulties of the task still ahead of us," Prime Minister Tony Abbott said in Beijing on Saturday, the last day of his China trip.
Abbott appeared to couch his comments from a day earlier, when he met with Chinese President Xi Jinping to brief him on the search for the Malaysia Airlines flight, which was carrying 239 people - most of them Chinese - when it disappeared March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to Beijing.
After analyzing satellite data, officials believe the plane flew off course for an unknown reason and went down in the southern Indian Ocean off Australia's west coast.
Abbott expressed confidence that the signals heard by an Australian ship, which is towing a U.S. Navy device that listens for flight recorder pings, were coming from the missing Boeing 777's black boxes. But he said the fading batteries were making the job much harder. Recovering the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders is essential for investigators to try to piece together what happened to Flight 370.
"There's still a lot more work to be done and I don't want anyone to think that we are certain of success, or that success, should it come, is going to happen in the next week or even month. There's a lot of difficulty and a lot of uncertainty left in this," he said.
In Malaysia, Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein on Saturday refuted a front-page report in a local newspaper, the New Strait Times, that a signal from the mobile phone of co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid was picked up by a telecommunications tower near the Malaysian city of Penang shortly before the plane disappeared from radar. The newspaper report said the signal ended abruptly before contact was established.
Hishammuddin, who is also the acting transport minister, told the Malaysian national news agency Bernama that he should have been aware of the phone call earlier, but that wasn't the case.
"I cannot comment (on the newspaper report) because if it is true, we would have known about it much earlier," Hishammuddin said after praying at a mosque in southern Jofor state, according to Bernama.
He added that it was irresponsible for anyone to take the opportunity to make "baseless" reports.
"There's still a lot more work to be done and I don't want anyone to think that we are certain of success, or that success, should it come, is going to happen in the next week or even month. There's a lot of difficulty and a lot of uncertainty left in this," he said.
In Malaysia, Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein on Saturday refuted a front-page report in a local newspaper, the New Strait Times, that a signal from the mobile phone of co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid was picked up by a telecommunications tower near the Malaysian city of Penang shortly before the plane disappeared from radar. The newspaper report said the signal ended abruptly before contact was established.
Hishammuddin, who is also the acting transport minister, told the Malaysian national news agency Bernama that he should have been aware of the phone call earlier, but that wasn't the case.
"I cannot comment (on the newspaper report) because if it is true, we would have known about it much earlier," Hishammuddin said after praying at a mosque in southern Jofor state, according to Bernama.
He added that it was irresponsible for anyone to take the opportunity to make "baseless" reports.
Four sounds heard April 5 and April 8 by the Australian ship Ocean Shield, which was towing the ping locator, were determined to be consistent with signals emitted from the two black boxes.
"Given that the signal from the black box is rapidly fading, what we are now doing is trying to get as many detections as we can so that we can narrow the search area down to as small an area as possible," Abbott said.
The underwater search zone is currently a 500-square-mile patch of the seabed, about the size of Los Angeles.
The searchers want to pinpoint the exact location of the source of the sounds - or as close as they can get - before sending the sub down. It will not be deployed until officials are confident that no other electronic signals are present.
The Bluefin 21 submersible takes six times longer to cover the same area as the ping locator, and will need about six weeks to two months to canvass the current underwater zone. The signals are also coming from 15,000 feet below the surface, which is the deepest the Bluefin can dive.
The surface area being searched on Sunday for floating debris was 22,203 square miles of ocean extending about 1,367 miles northwest of Perth. Up to 12 planes and 14 ships were participating in the hunt.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-australia-leader-sees-long-hunt-for-jet/
"Given that the signal from the black box is rapidly fading, what we are now doing is trying to get as many detections as we can so that we can narrow the search area down to as small an area as possible," Abbott said.
The underwater search zone is currently a 500-square-mile patch of the seabed, about the size of Los Angeles.
The searchers want to pinpoint the exact location of the source of the sounds - or as close as they can get - before sending the sub down. It will not be deployed until officials are confident that no other electronic signals are present.
The Bluefin 21 submersible takes six times longer to cover the same area as the ping locator, and will need about six weeks to two months to canvass the current underwater zone. The signals are also coming from 15,000 feet below the surface, which is the deepest the Bluefin can dive.
The surface area being searched on Sunday for floating debris was 22,203 square miles of ocean extending about 1,367 miles northwest of Perth. Up to 12 planes and 14 ships were participating in the hunt.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-australia-leader-sees-long-hunt-for-jet/
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